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93, just correcting the stuff:

 

1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")

 

2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)

 

3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA

(three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)

 

Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not

the second one.

 

Love is the law, love under will.

A.

 

 

Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha

>

> Om krim kaliyai namah

>

> Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim

> hum hum hrim hrim swaha

>

> Regards

>

> Jay

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OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!

 

jay

 

 

Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On Behalf

Of Arjuna Taradasa

Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM

Kali_Ma

Re: Mantras of Kali - correction

 

93, just correcting the stuff:

 

1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")

 

2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)

 

3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA

(three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)

 

Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not

the second one.

 

Love is the law, love under will.

A.

 

 

Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha

>

> Om krim kaliyai namah

>

> Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim

> hum hum hrim hrim swaha

>

> Regards

>

> Jay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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93, just correcting the stuff:1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no

"OM"; and "Kalike")2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)3. krIM 3 huM 2

hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA (three "kreems" in the end

also and no "OM" in the beginning)Out of these the first and the third are

recommended by Tantras, not the second one.Love is the law, love under

will.A.Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> Om

hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha> > Om krim kaliyai namah> > Om

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Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!

>

> jay

 

Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras

as she does about what clothes you are wearing

today.

 

In other words, not at all.

 

It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,

although the accuracy could be an expression of

the sincerity.

 

--jody

 

 

>

>

> Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On Behalf

> Of Arjuna Taradasa

> Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM

> Kali_Ma

> Re: Mantras of Kali - correction

>

> 93, just correcting the stuff:

>

> 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")

>

> 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)

>

> 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA

> (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)

>

> Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not

> the second one.

>

> Love is the law, love under will.

> A.

>

>

> Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha

> >

> > Om krim kaliyai namah

> >

> > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim

> > hum hum hrim hrim swaha

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Jay

>

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Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to learn.

 

jodyrrr <jodyrrr > wrote:

Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> OOPS SORRY MAA

KALI!> > jayKali cares as much for how you say Her mantrasas she does about what

clothes you are wearingtoday.In other words, not at all.It's all about

sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,although the accuracy could be an expression

ofthe sincerity.--jody> > >

Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On Behalf> Of Arjuna

Taradasa> Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM> Kali_Ma>

Re: Mantras of Kali - correction> > 93, just correcting the

stuff:> > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")>

> 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH

("Kalyai" correct)> > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2

svAhA > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)> > Out of

these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not > the second

one.> > Love is the law, love under will.> A.> > > --- In

Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > Om hrim shrim krim

parameshwari kalikayai swaha> > > > Om krim kaliyai namah> > > > Om krim krim

krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha> >

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Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:

> Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is

impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the

language does not matters, cheer matters....

>

> Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to

learn.

 

You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense,

mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman

and fascistic racial policy?

 

No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara

(as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him

now), it's all bullshit.

 

 

>

>

>

> jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:

> Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!

> >

> > jay

>

> Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras

> as she does about what clothes you are wearing

> today.

>

> In other words, not at all.

>

> It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,

> although the accuracy could be an expression of

> the sincerity.

>

> --jody

>

>

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On

Behalf

> > Of Arjuna Taradasa

> > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM

> > Kali_Ma

> > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction

> >

> > 93, just correcting the stuff:

> >

> > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")

> >

> > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)

> >

> > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA

> > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)

> >

> > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not

> > the second one.

> >

> > Love is the law, love under will.

> > A.

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha

> > >

> > > Om krim kaliyai namah

> > >

> > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim

> > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Jay

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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As far as you are concerned (I am sure you are an american or european), you are

rightly of that genetics who calls mother as pornstar...be it maa Kali or your

own mother, and even have the crows brain to think that being white skinned,

you have the birth right to say everything you say is right, including my

religion and religious beliefs, social ethics, and other factors. No doubt that

you are being hated all over the world now....jodyrrr <jodyrrr > wrote:

Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> Being

accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it isimpotant. This is not

cheering your local basketball team, so that thelanguage does not matters,

cheer matters....> > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made

the world tolearn.You mean all that ridiculous superstitious

nonsense,mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of womanand fascistic

racial policy?No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara(as he was, not

how the shankaracharyas teach himnow), it's all bullshit.> > > > jodyrrr

<jodyrrr> wrote:> Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal"

<dayals@c...> wrote:> > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!> > > >

jay> > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras> as she does about what

clothes you are wearing> today.> > In other words, not at all.> > It's all

about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,> although the accuracy could be an

expression of> the sincerity.> > --jody> > > > > > >

> Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] OnBehalf> > Of

Arjuna Taradasa> > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM> > To:

Kali_Ma> > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction>

> > > 93, just correcting the stuff:> > > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari

kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")> > > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai"

correct)> > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike

krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the

beginning)> > > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by

Tantras, not > > the second one.> > > > Love is the law, love under will.> >

A.> > > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:>

> > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha> > > > > > Om krim kaliyai

namah> > > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim

> > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Jay > > > > > > >

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Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:

> As far as what we made the world to learn, (We means the Indian's,

the Hindu's and the Asians as a whole), is to pay homage and have

respect for mother nature, the God as a mother or father, treat your

neighbour as yourself, and spread the word of peace and love all over

the universe....

>

> As far as you are concerned (I am sure you are an american or

european), you are rightly of that genetics who calls mother as

pornstar...be it maa Kali or your own mother, and even have the crows

brain to think that being white skinned, you have the birth right to

say everything you say is right, including my religion and religious

beliefs, social ethics, and other factors. No doubt that you are being

hated all over the world now....

 

And the misogyny, racism and superstition of

traditional Hinduism rages on, promoted by the

likes of you and the BGP.

 

> jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:

> Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:

> > Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is

> impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the

> language does not matters, cheer matters....

> >

> > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to

> learn.

>

> You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense,

> mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman

> and fascistic racial policy?

>

> No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara

> (as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him

> now), it's all bullshit.

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:

> > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> > > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!

> > >

> > > jay

> >

> > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras

> > as she does about what clothes you are wearing

> > today.

> >

> > In other words, not at all.

> >

> > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,

> > although the accuracy could be an expression of

> > the sincerity.

> >

> > --jody

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On

> Behalf

> > > Of Arjuna Taradasa

> > > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM

> > > Kali_Ma

> > > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction

> > >

> > > 93, just correcting the stuff:

> > >

> > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")

> > >

> > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)

> > >

> > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA

> > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)

> > >

> > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras,

not

> > > the second one.

> > >

> > > Love is the law, love under will.

> > > A.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> > > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha

> > > >

> > > > Om krim kaliyai namah

> > > >

> > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim

> > > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Jay

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Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> As far as

what we made the world to learn, (We means the Indian's,the Hindu's and the

Asians as a whole), is to pay homage and haverespect for mother nature, the God

as a mother or father, treat yourneighbour as yourself, and spread the word of

peace and love all overthe universe....> > As far as you are concerned (I am

sure you are an american oreuropean), you are rightly of that genetics who

calls mother aspornstar...be it maa Kali or your own mother, and even have the

crowsbrain to think that being white skinned, you have the birth right tosay

everything you say is right, including my religion and religiousbeliefs, social

ethics, and other factors. No doubt that you are beinghated all over the world

now....And the misogyny,

racism and superstition of traditional Hinduism rages on, promoted by thelikes

of you and the BGP.> jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:> --- In

Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> > Being accurate

in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is> impotant. This is not cheering

your local basketball team, so that the> language does not matters, cheer

matters....> > > > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the

world to> learn.> > You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense,>

mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman> and fascistic racial

policy?> > No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara> (as he was, not

how the shankaracharyas teach him> now), it's all bullshit.> > > > > > > > > >

jodyrrr

<jodyrrr> wrote:> > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal"

<dayals@c...> wrote:> > > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!> > > > > > jay> > > > Kali cares

as much for how you say Her mantras> > as she does about what clothes you are

wearing> > today.> > > > In other words, not at all.> > > > It's all about

sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,> > although the accuracy could be an

expression of> > the sincerity.> > > > --jody> > > > > > > > > > -----Original

Message-----> > > Kali_Ma

[Kali_Ma] On> Behalf> > > Of Arjuna Taradasa> > > Sent:

Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM> > > Kali_Ma> > > Subject:

Re: Mantras of Kali -

correction> > > > > > 93, just correcting the stuff:> > > > > > 1. hrIM shrIM

krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")> > > > > > 2. OM krIM

kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)> > > > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe

kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no

"OM" in the beginning)> > > > > > Out of these the first and the third are

recommended by Tantras,not > > > the second one.> > > > > > Love is the law,

love under will.> > > A.> > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay

Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai

swaha> > > > > > > > Om krim kaliyai namah> > > > > > > >

Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > > > hum hum

hrim hrim swaha> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > >

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> I always guessed that you speak more than you know....its BJP not

BGP. Wake up kid.

 

Either way, it's a proto-fascist organization based on

ethnocentrism run rampant. It's every bit as useless as

the Christian Right in the states, and every bit as evil

as well.

 

Calling the Nazis the Naizs makes no difference to what

they were about.

 

> jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:Kali_Ma, J

Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:

> > As far as what we made the world to learn, (We means the Indian's,

> the Hindu's and the Asians as a whole), is to pay homage and have

> respect for mother nature, the God as a mother or father, treat your

> neighbour as yourself, and spread the word of peace and love all over

> the universe....

> >

> > As far as you are concerned (I am sure you are an american or

> european), you are rightly of that genetics who calls mother as

> pornstar...be it maa Kali or your own mother, and even have the crows

> brain to think that being white skinned, you have the birth right to

> say everything you say is right, including my religion and religious

> beliefs, social ethics, and other factors. No doubt that you are being

> hated all over the world now....

>

> And the misogyny, racism and superstition of

> traditional Hinduism rages on, promoted by the

> likes of you and the BGP.

>

> > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:

> > Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:

> > > Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is

> > impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the

> > language does not matters, cheer matters....

> > >

> > > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to

> > learn.

> >

> > You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense,

> > mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman

> > and fascistic racial policy?

> >

> > No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara

> > (as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him

> > now), it's all bullshit.

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:

> > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> > > > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!

> > > >

> > > > jay

> > >

> > > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras

> > > as she does about what clothes you are wearing

> > > today.

> > >

> > > In other words, not at all.

> > >

> > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,

> > > although the accuracy could be an expression of

> > > the sincerity.

> > >

> > > --jody

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On

> > Behalf

> > > > Of Arjuna Taradasa

> > > > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM

> > > > Kali_Ma

> > > > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction

> > > >

> > > > 93, just correcting the stuff:

> > > >

> > > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and

"Kalike")

> > > >

> > > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)

> > > >

> > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA

> > > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)

> > > >

> > > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras,

> not

> > > > the second one.

> > > >

> > > > Love is the law, love under will.

> > > > A.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:

> > > > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha

> > > > >

> > > > > Om krim kaliyai namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim

> > > > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

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jodyrrr <jodyrrr > wrote:

Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> I always

guessed that you speak more than you know....its BJP notBGP. Wake up kid.Either

way, it's a proto-fascist organization based onethnocentrism run rampant. It's

every bit as useless asthe Christian Right in the states, and every bit as

evilas well.Calling the Nazis the Naizs makes no difference to whatthey were

about.> jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:Kali_Ma,

JChatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> > As far as what we made the world to

learn, (We means the Indian's,> the Hindu's and the Asians as a whole), is to

pay homage and have> respect for mother nature, the God as a mother or father,

treat your> neighbour as yourself, and spread the word of peace and love all

over>

the universe....> > > > As far as you are concerned (I am sure you are an

american or> european), you are rightly of that genetics who calls mother as>

pornstar...be it maa Kali or your own mother, and even have the crows> brain to

think that being white skinned, you have the birth right to> say everything you

say is right, including my religion and religious> beliefs, social ethics, and

other factors. No doubt that you are being> hated all over the world now....> >

And the misogyny, racism and superstition of > traditional Hinduism rages on,

promoted by the> likes of you and the BGP.> > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:>

> Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> > >

Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is> > impotant. This

is not cheering your local basketball team, so that

the> > language does not matters, cheer matters....> > > > > > Strange, how

these people try to teach us what we made the world to> > learn.> > > > You

mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense,> > mythological fantasy,

misogynistic treatment of woman> > and fascistic racial policy?> > > > No

thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara> > (as he was, not how the

shankaracharyas teach him> > now), it's all bullshit.> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:> > > Kali_Ma, "Jay

Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > > > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!> > > > > > > > jay> > >

> > > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras> >

> as she does about what clothes you are wearing> > > today.> > > > > > In other

words, not at all.> > > > > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic

accuracy,> > > although the accuracy could be an expression of> > > the

sincerity.> > > > > > --jody> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original

Message-----> > > > Kali_Ma

[Kali_Ma] On> > Behalf> > > > Of Arjuna Taradasa> > > >

Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM> > > > Kali_Ma> > > >

Re: Mantras of Kali - correction> > > > > > > > 93, just

correcting the stuff:> > > > > > > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike

svAhA (no

"OM"; and"Kalike")> > > > > > > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)> >

> > > > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA >

> > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)> > > > > >

> > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras,> not > > >

> the second one.> > > > > > > > Love is the law, love under will.> > > > A.> >

> > > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...>

wrote:> > > > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha> > > > > > > >

> > Om krim kaliyai namah> > > > > > > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim

hrim dakshine kalike krim krim

> > > > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > >

Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Links> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Links> > > > > > To

visit your group on the web, go to:> > >

Kali_Ma/> > > > > > To from this

group, send an email to:> > > Kali_Ma>

> > > > > Terms of>

Service. > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends> >

http://uk.messenger.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Links> > > > To visit

your group on the web, go to:> > Kali_Ma/> > >

> > >

Kali_Ma> > > > Your use of is

subject to the Terms ofService. > > > > > > Send

instant messages to your online friends> http://uk.messenger.> > > > >

> > Links> > To visit your

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Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:

> OM is a universal word and can be used before or after ANY MANTRA.

 

This is Ur opinion or the statement of Shastras? If the letter, please provide

me the reference.

In any case, WHY should we add "Om" (even if it is possible, which isn't at all

sure) when

these mantras are given without it? Why to make our own inventions?

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93 :)

 

Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote:

> Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:

> > Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is

> impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the

> language does not matters, cheer matters....

> >

> > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to

> learn.

>

> You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense,

> mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman

> and fascistic racial policy?

>

> No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara

> (as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him

> now), it's all bullshit.

 

 

There is indeed much shit in orthodox hinduism based on Smriti and Puranas,

alas.

But there is much more precious in heterodox stream, than so called advaita of

Shankara :).

 

A.

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Then what is the necessity in mantras at all? What is the problem to pray

sincerely in

english or whatever language?

 

It is important how sadhaka is pronouncing the mantra. In the case of PRAYER it

is not.

Even if U pray in useless sanskrit or arabic, to Her it doesn't matter. But

mantras are

something different (although they are prayers in a sence, but more than

that)...

 

Finally, in the case of one's totality in prayer, in surrender to Her nothing

else matters. But

this is not a general case. Also such person wouldn't search forums or groups

for answers

:)...

 

A.

 

Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote:

> Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras

> as she does about what clothes you are wearing

> today.

>

> In other words, not at all.

>

> It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,

> although the accuracy could be an expression of

> the sincerity.

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Out of curiosity, how many people on the list are

Hindu and are of Indian descent? Also.. are you from

Southern or Northern India?

 

Charlie

 

 

 

 

 

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Maitri Upanishad

“One should continuously worship all Gods and Godesses with the Syllable Om. For

thus it is said, ‘This Syllable indeed, is holy, this Syllable indeed is

supreme. By knowing that Syllable indeed, whatever one desires becomes his.’

And then it has been said elsewhere, ‘This Om is the sound form of this

[self].’ Therefore by the utterance of the Syllable Om all these forms [of

Brahman] are praised, worshipped, and ascribed. For thus it is said: ‘This

Syllable Om, verily, is the higher and lower Brahman.’” (Maitri Upanishad

6:4,5)

It is the continuous invocation of Om that is the worship of the three supreme

gods, and all forms of mother God including ma Durga and Kali. Om is what is

offered, Om is the act of offering, and Om is the One Who receives the

offering.1 Only by the all-encompassing Om can we worship the all-encompassing

Brahman. Only God can be offered to God. Om is an invocation before all

mantra’s, and Om is salutation after all

mantra’s.

“Because in this manner he joins the prana, the Syllable Om, and all this in its

manifoldness therefore this is called Yoga [joining]. The oneness of the breath,

the mind, and likewise of the senses [through japa of Om] and the abandonment of

all conditions of existence, this is designated as Yoga. One draws in the pranas

by means of the Syllable Om.” (Maitri Upanishad 6:22-26)

Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa Katha

On Sunday, December 30, 1883, Sri Ramakrishna asked a monk: “What is Maa?” The

monk answered: “Maa is Sound. It is Om.” Sri Ramakrishna further asked: “But

there must be something indicated by the sound [Om]. Isn’t that so?” To this

the monk replied: “That Itself is the thing indicated as well as the

indicator.”26 At these words Sri Ramakrishna went into samadhi. That is, the

immortal truth of the monk’s words lifted His mind into infinity, thus

indicating their truth. (See The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, Edition -III,

1999,Oxford University Press, p. 372)

(I hope rather than being arrogant and know-all attitude, you should see more,

feel more and learn more….!! J.Chatterjee)Arjuna Taradasa <saidevi55 >

wrote:

Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> OM is a

universal word and can be used before or after ANY MANTRA.This is Ur opinion or

the statement of Shastras? If the letter, please provide me the reference.In any

case, WHY should we add "Om" (even if it is possible, which isn't at all sure)

when these mantras are given without it? Why to make our own inventions?Send

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i agree with that.

 

Arjuna Taradasa wrote:

 

> Then what is the necessity in mantras at all? What is the problem to pray

sincerely in

> english or whatever language?

>

> It is important how sadhaka is pronouncing the mantra. In the case of PRAYER

it is not.

> Even if U pray in useless sanskrit or arabic, to Her it doesn't matter. But

mantras are

> something different (although they are prayers in a sence, but more than

that)...

>

> Finally, in the case of one's totality in prayer, in surrender to Her nothing

else matters. But

> this is not a general case. Also such person wouldn't search forums or groups

for answers

> :)...

>

> A.

>

> Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote:

> > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras

> > as she does about what clothes you are wearing

> > today.

> >

> > In other words, not at all.

> >

> > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,

> > although the accuracy could be an expression of

> > the sincerity.

>

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

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What i do not understand is this: why U want to apply some vedic/upanishadic

ideas to

TANTRIC mantras? There is no legacy for such approach acc to Shastras.

 

 

Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:

> Maitri Upanishad

>

> "One should continuously worship all Gods and Godesses with the Syllable Om.

For thus

it is said, `This Syllable indeed, is holy, this Syllable indeed is supreme. By

knowing that

Syllable indeed, whatever one desires becomes his.' And then it has been said

elsewhere,

`This Om is the sound form of this [self].' Therefore by the utterance of the

Syllable Om all

these forms [of Brahman] are praised, worshipped, and ascribed. For thus it is

said: `This

Syllable Om, verily, is the higher and lower Brahman.'" (Maitri Upanishad 6:4,5)

>

> It is the continuous invocation of Om that is the worship of the three

supreme gods,

and all forms of mother God including ma Durga and Kali. Om is what is offered,

Om is the

act of offering, and Om is the One Who receives the offering.1 Only by the all-

encompassing Om can we worship the all-encompassing Brahman. Only God can be

offered to God. Om is an invocation before all mantra's, and Om is salutation

after all

mantra's.

>

> "Because in this manner he joins the prana, the Syllable Om, and all this in

its

manifoldness therefore this is called Yoga [joining]. The oneness of the breath,

the mind,

and likewise of the senses [through japa of Om] and the abandonment of all

conditions of

existence, this is designated as Yoga. One draws in the pranas by means of the

Syllable

Om." (Maitri Upanishad 6:22-26)

>

> Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa Katha

>

> On Sunday, December 30, 1883, Sri Ramakrishna asked a monk: "What is Maa?" The

monk answered: "Maa is Sound. It is Om." Sri Ramakrishna further asked: "But

there must

be something indicated by the sound [Om]. Isn't that so?" To this the monk

replied: "That

Itself is the thing indicated as well as the indicator."26 At these words Sri

Ramakrishna

went into samadhi. That is, the immortal truth of the monk's words lifted His

mind into

infinity, thus indicating their truth. (See The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna,

Edition -III,

1999,Oxford University Press, p. 372)

>

> (I hope rather than being arrogant and know-all attitude, you should see more,

feel

more and learn more….!! J.Chatterjee)

>

>

> Arjuna Taradasa <saidevi55> wrote:Kali_Ma, J

Chatterjee

<jkconline> wrote:

> > OM is a universal word and can be used before or after ANY MANTRA.

>

> This is Ur opinion or the statement of Shastras? If the letter, please provide

me the

reference.

> In any case, WHY should we add "Om" (even if it is possible, which isn't at

all sure) when

> these mantras are given without it? Why to make our own inventions?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Links

>

>

> Kali_Ma/

>

>

> Kali_Ma

>

>

>

>

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

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In your earlier question, you asked whether using OM in mantra's is my openion

or statement of the Shastras. I proved to you that its statement of the

shastra's, isnt that enough..? I hope you know something about the Maitri

Upanishad, or let me know, and I will explain you.

 

The question of why you still do not understand or what you understand is up to

God allmighty, but as far as I am concerned, I have answered you in plain and

simple english with proper reference and chapter numbers, and the topic for me

ends here.

 

J ChatterjeeArjuna Taradasa <saidevi55 > wrote:

93What i do not understand is this: why U want to apply some vedic/upanishadic

ideas to TANTRIC mantras? There is no legacy for such approach acc to

Shastras.Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:>

Maitri Upanishad > > "One should continuously worship all Gods and Godesses

with the Syllable Om. For thus it is said, `This Syllable indeed, is holy, this

Syllable indeed is supreme. By knowing that Syllable indeed, whatever one

desires becomes his.' And then it has been said elsewhere, `This Om is the

sound form of this [self].' Therefore by the utterance of the Syllable Om all

these forms [of Brahman] are praised, worshipped, and ascribed. For thus it is

said: `This Syllable Om, verily, is the higher and lower Brahman.'" (Maitri

Upanishad 6:4,5) > > It is the continuous

invocation of Om that is the worship of the three supreme gods, and all forms

of mother God including ma Durga and Kali. Om is what is offered, Om is the act

of offering, and Om is the One Who receives the offering.1 Only by the

all-encompassing Om can we worship the all-encompassing Brahman. Only God can

be offered to God. Om is an invocation before all mantra's, and Om is

salutation after all mantra's.> > "Because in this manner he joins the prana,

the Syllable Om, and all this in its manifoldness therefore this is called Yoga

[joining]. The oneness of the breath, the mind, and likewise of the senses

[through japa of Om] and the abandonment of all conditions of existence, this

is designated as Yoga. One draws in the pranas by means of the Syllable Om."

(Maitri Upanishad 6:22-26) > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa Katha> > On Sunday,

December 30, 1883, Sri Ramakrishna asked a monk: "What is Maa?" The

monk answered: "Maa is Sound. It is Om." Sri Ramakrishna further asked: "But

there must be something indicated by the sound [Om]. Isn't that so?" To this

the monk replied: "That Itself is the thing indicated as well as the

indicator."26 At these words Sri Ramakrishna went into samadhi. That is, the

immortal truth of the monk's words lifted His mind into infinity, thus

indicating their truth. (See The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, Edition -III,

1999,Oxford University Press, p. 372)> > (I hope rather than being arrogant and

know-all attitude, you should see more, feel more and learn more….!!

J.Chatterjee)> > > Arjuna Taradasa <saidevi55> wrote:--- In

Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> > OM is a

universal word and can be used before or after ANY MANTRA.> > This is Ur

opinion or the statement of Shastras? If the letter, please provide me the

reference.> In any case, WHY should we add "Om" (even if it is possible, which

isn't at all sure) when > these mantras are given without it? Why to make our

own inventions?> > > > > > >

Links> > >

Kali_Ma/> > To from this group,

send an email to:> Kali_Ma> > Your use of

is subject to the > > > > Send instant

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Once again, if you haven't got the idea :).

 

Mantras of Kali given before are taken from TANTRAS and not from muktika

upanishads,

to which Maitri belongs. To tantric mantras the rules of Tantras are to be

applied and NOT

of smriti, upanishads or whatsoever. Is this not clear? :)

 

Ramakrishna did not say to put "OM" in front of Agamic vidyas of Kali, did he?

Also, he is

not an authority for those who aren't his disciples. At to the level above

Agama. Also, he

never taught Tantra to others.

 

So, you gave NO valid base for putting omkara to those mantras. And according to

tantric

doctrine, it shouldn't be put. Especially in the case mantras are given not to

brahmans -

and the case is this.

 

Is the issue closed or you still do not agree? :)

 

 

Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:

> It is strange that you still mention the word in caps "U" as in "why U want to

apply..."

when I have shown you very very clearly that it is already applied in the

Upanishads, and

also accepted by probably the most well known devotee of Maa Kali, Sri Sri

Ramkrishna....

>

> In your earlier question, you asked whether using OM in mantra's is my openion

or

statement of the Shastras. I proved to you that its statement of the shastra's,

isnt that

enough..? I hope you know something about the Maitri Upanishad, or let me know,

and I

will explain you.

>

> The question of why you still do not understand or what you understand is up

to God

allmighty, but as far as I am concerned, I have answered you in plain and simple

english

with proper reference and chapter numbers, and the topic for me ends here.

>

> J Chatterjee

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Kali_Ma, Charlie <witchatwork03> wrote:

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> Out of curiosity, how many people on the list are

> Hindu and are of Indian descent? Also.. are you from

> Southern or Northern India?

>

> Charlie

>

>

>

>

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Kali_Ma, "Arjuna Taradasa" <saidevi55> wrote:

> Then what is the necessity in mantras at all? What is the problem to

pray sincerely in

> english or whatever language?

>

> It is important how sadhaka is pronouncing the mantra. In the case

of PRAYER it is not.

> Even if U pray in useless sanskrit or arabic, to Her it doesn't

matter. But mantras are

> something different (although they are prayers in a sence, but more

than that)...

>

> Finally, in the case of one's totality in prayer, in surrender to

Her nothing else matters. But

> this is not a general case. Also such person wouldn't search forums

or groups for answers

> :)...

>

> A.

 

Perhaps such a person is trying to provide answers for those

possibly lost in the thicket of superstitious nonsense

that is Hinduism in the West.

 

>

> Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote:

> > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras

> > as she does about what clothes you are wearing

> > today.

> >

> > In other words, not at all.

> >

> > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,

> > although the accuracy could be an expression of

> > the sincerity.

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<witchatwork03> wrote:> > Out of curiosity, how many people on the list

are> Hindu and are of Indian descent? Also.. are you from> Southern or Northern

India? > > Charlie > > > Do

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sharma kd <sharma_462008 > wrote:

I am from india central ( Bhopal) Hindu Brahmin

sharma

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I am a Sakta of Anglo-German descent. KKali_Ma, Charlie

<witchatwork03> wrote:> > Out of curiosity, how many people on the list

are> Hindu and are of Indian descent? Also.. are you from> Southern or Northern

India? > > Charlie > > > Do

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