Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2005 93, just correcting the stuff: 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike") 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct) 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning) Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not the second one. Love is the law, love under will. A. Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha > > Om krim kaliyai namah > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > hum hum hrim hrim swaha > > Regards > > Jay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2005 OOPS SORRY MAA KALI! jay Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On Behalf Of Arjuna Taradasa Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM Kali_Ma Re: Mantras of Kali - correction 93, just correcting the stuff: 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike") 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct) 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning) Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not the second one. Love is the law, love under will. A. Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha > > Om krim kaliyai namah > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > hum hum hrim hrim swaha > > Regards > > Jay Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2005 Arjuna Taradasa <saidevi55 > wrote: 93, just correcting the stuff:1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not the second one.Love is the law, love under will.A.Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha> > Om krim kaliyai namah> > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > hum hum hrim hrim swaha> > Regards> > Jay Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2005 Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI! > > jay Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras as she does about what clothes you are wearing today. In other words, not at all. It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy, although the accuracy could be an expression of the sincerity. --jody > > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On Behalf > Of Arjuna Taradasa > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM > Kali_Ma > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction > > 93, just correcting the stuff: > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike") > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct) > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning) > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not > the second one. > > Love is the law, love under will. > A. > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha > > > > Om krim kaliyai namah > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha > > > > Regards > > > > Jay > > Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2005 Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to learn. jodyrrr <jodyrrr > wrote: Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!> > jayKali cares as much for how you say Her mantrasas she does about what clothes you are wearingtoday.In other words, not at all.It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,although the accuracy could be an expression ofthe sincerity.--jody> > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On Behalf> Of Arjuna Taradasa> Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM> Kali_Ma> Re: Mantras of Kali - correction> > 93, just correcting the stuff:> > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")> > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)> > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)> > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not > the second one.> > Love is the law, love under will.> A.> > > --- In Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha> > > > Om krim kaliyai namah> > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha> > > > Regards> > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > LinksSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2005 Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the language does not matters, cheer matters.... > > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to learn. You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense, mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman and fascistic racial policy? No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara (as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him now), it's all bullshit. > > > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote: > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI! > > > > jay > > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras > as she does about what clothes you are wearing > today. > > In other words, not at all. > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy, > although the accuracy could be an expression of > the sincerity. > > --jody > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On Behalf > > Of Arjuna Taradasa > > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM > > Kali_Ma > > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction > > > > 93, just correcting the stuff: > > > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike") > > > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct) > > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning) > > > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not > > the second one. > > > > Love is the law, love under will. > > A. > > > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha > > > > > > Om krim kaliyai namah > > > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Links > > > Kali_Ma/ > > > Kali_Ma > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2005 As far as you are concerned (I am sure you are an american or european), you are rightly of that genetics who calls mother as pornstar...be it maa Kali or your own mother, and even have the crows brain to think that being white skinned, you have the birth right to say everything you say is right, including my religion and religious beliefs, social ethics, and other factors. No doubt that you are being hated all over the world now....jodyrrr <jodyrrr > wrote: Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it isimpotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that thelanguage does not matters, cheer matters....> > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world tolearn.You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense,mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of womanand fascistic racial policy?No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara(as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach himnow), it's all bullshit.> > > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:> Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!> > > > jay> > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras> as she does about what clothes you are wearing> today.> > In other words, not at all.> > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,> although the accuracy could be an expression of> the sincerity.> > --jody> > > > > > > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] OnBehalf> > Of Arjuna Taradasa> > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM> > To: Kali_Ma> > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction> > > > 93, just correcting the stuff:> > > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")> > > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)> > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)> > > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not > > the second one.> > > > Love is the law, love under will.> > A.> > > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha> > > > > > Om krim kaliyai namah> > > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > > Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> Kali_Ma/> > To from this group, send an email to:> Kali_Ma> > Your use of is subject to the > > > Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2005 Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > As far as what we made the world to learn, (We means the Indian's, the Hindu's and the Asians as a whole), is to pay homage and have respect for mother nature, the God as a mother or father, treat your neighbour as yourself, and spread the word of peace and love all over the universe.... > > As far as you are concerned (I am sure you are an american or european), you are rightly of that genetics who calls mother as pornstar...be it maa Kali or your own mother, and even have the crows brain to think that being white skinned, you have the birth right to say everything you say is right, including my religion and religious beliefs, social ethics, and other factors. No doubt that you are being hated all over the world now.... And the misogyny, racism and superstition of traditional Hinduism rages on, promoted by the likes of you and the BGP. > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote: > Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > > Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is > impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the > language does not matters, cheer matters.... > > > > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to > learn. > > You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense, > mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman > and fascistic racial policy? > > No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara > (as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him > now), it's all bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote: > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > > > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI! > > > > > > jay > > > > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras > > as she does about what clothes you are wearing > > today. > > > > In other words, not at all. > > > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy, > > although the accuracy could be an expression of > > the sincerity. > > > > --jody > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On > Behalf > > > Of Arjuna Taradasa > > > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM > > > Kali_Ma > > > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction > > > > > > 93, just correcting the stuff: > > > > > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike") > > > > > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct) > > > > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning) > > > > > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, not > > > the second one. > > > > > > Love is the law, love under will. > > > A. > > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > > > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha > > > > > > > > Om krim kaliyai namah > > > > > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > Kali_Ma/ > > > > > > Kali_Ma > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > Links > > > Kali_Ma/ > > > Kali_Ma > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2005 Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> As far as what we made the world to learn, (We means the Indian's,the Hindu's and the Asians as a whole), is to pay homage and haverespect for mother nature, the God as a mother or father, treat yourneighbour as yourself, and spread the word of peace and love all overthe universe....> > As far as you are concerned (I am sure you are an american oreuropean), you are rightly of that genetics who calls mother aspornstar...be it maa Kali or your own mother, and even have the crowsbrain to think that being white skinned, you have the birth right tosay everything you say is right, including my religion and religiousbeliefs, social ethics, and other factors. No doubt that you are beinghated all over the world now....And the misogyny, racism and superstition of traditional Hinduism rages on, promoted by thelikes of you and the BGP.> jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:> --- In Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> > Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is> impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the> language does not matters, cheer matters....> > > > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to> learn.> > You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense,> mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman> and fascistic racial policy?> > No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara> (as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him> now), it's all bullshit.> > > > > > > > > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:> > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!> > > > > > jay> > > > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras> > as she does about what clothes you are wearing> > today.> > > > In other words, not at all.> > > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,> > although the accuracy could be an expression of> > the sincerity.> > > > --jody> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On> Behalf> > > Of Arjuna Taradasa> > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM> > > Kali_Ma> > > Subject: Re: Mantras of Kali - correction> > > > > > 93, just correcting the stuff:> > > > > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike")> > > > > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)> > > > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)> > > > > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras,not > > > the second one.> > > > > > Love is the law, love under will.> > > A.> > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha> > > > > > > > Om krim kaliyai namah> > > > > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links> > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:> > Kali_Ma/> > > > > > Kali_Ma> > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms ofService. > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends> http://uk.messenger.> > > > > > > Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> Kali_Ma/> > To from this group, send an email to:> Kali_Ma> > Your use of is subject to the > > > Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2005 Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > I always guessed that you speak more than you know....its BJP not BGP. Wake up kid. Either way, it's a proto-fascist organization based on ethnocentrism run rampant. It's every bit as useless as the Christian Right in the states, and every bit as evil as well. Calling the Nazis the Naizs makes no difference to what they were about. > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > > As far as what we made the world to learn, (We means the Indian's, > the Hindu's and the Asians as a whole), is to pay homage and have > respect for mother nature, the God as a mother or father, treat your > neighbour as yourself, and spread the word of peace and love all over > the universe.... > > > > As far as you are concerned (I am sure you are an american or > european), you are rightly of that genetics who calls mother as > pornstar...be it maa Kali or your own mother, and even have the crows > brain to think that being white skinned, you have the birth right to > say everything you say is right, including my religion and religious > beliefs, social ethics, and other factors. No doubt that you are being > hated all over the world now.... > > And the misogyny, racism and superstition of > traditional Hinduism rages on, promoted by the > likes of you and the BGP. > > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote: > > Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > > > Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is > > impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the > > language does not matters, cheer matters.... > > > > > > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to > > learn. > > > > You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense, > > mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman > > and fascistic racial policy? > > > > No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara > > (as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him > > now), it's all bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote: > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > > > > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI! > > > > > > > > jay > > > > > > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras > > > as she does about what clothes you are wearing > > > today. > > > > > > In other words, not at all. > > > > > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy, > > > although the accuracy could be an expression of > > > the sincerity. > > > > > > --jody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On > > Behalf > > > > Of Arjuna Taradasa > > > > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM > > > > Kali_Ma > > > > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction > > > > > > > > 93, just correcting the stuff: > > > > > > > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and "Kalike") > > > > > > > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct) > > > > > > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > > > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning) > > > > > > > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras, > not > > > > the second one. > > > > > > > > Love is the law, love under will. > > > > A. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > > > > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha > > > > > > > > > > Om krim kaliyai namah > > > > > > > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > > > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma/ > > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > Kali_Ma/ > > > > > > Kali_Ma > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > Links > > > Kali_Ma/ > > > Kali_Ma > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2005 jodyrrr <jodyrrr > wrote: Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> I always guessed that you speak more than you know....its BJP notBGP. Wake up kid.Either way, it's a proto-fascist organization based onethnocentrism run rampant. It's every bit as useless asthe Christian Right in the states, and every bit as evilas well.Calling the Nazis the Naizs makes no difference to whatthey were about.> jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:Kali_Ma, JChatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> > As far as what we made the world to learn, (We means the Indian's,> the Hindu's and the Asians as a whole), is to pay homage and have> respect for mother nature, the God as a mother or father, treat your> neighbour as yourself, and spread the word of peace and love all over> the universe....> > > > As far as you are concerned (I am sure you are an american or> european), you are rightly of that genetics who calls mother as> pornstar...be it maa Kali or your own mother, and even have the crows> brain to think that being white skinned, you have the birth right to> say everything you say is right, including my religion and religious> beliefs, social ethics, and other factors. No doubt that you are being> hated all over the world now....> > And the misogyny, racism and superstition of > traditional Hinduism rages on, promoted by the> likes of you and the BGP.> > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:> > Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> > > Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is> > impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the> > language does not matters, cheer matters....> > > > > > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to> > learn.> > > > You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense,> > mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman> > and fascistic racial policy?> > > > No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara> > (as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him> > now), it's all bullshit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote:> > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > > > OOPS SORRY MAA KALI!> > > > > > > > jay> > > > > > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras> > > as she does about what clothes you are wearing> > > today.> > > > > > In other words, not at all.> > > > > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy,> > > although the accuracy could be an expression of> > > the sincerity.> > > > > > --jody> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > Kali_Ma [Kali_Ma] On> > Behalf> > > > Of Arjuna Taradasa> > > > Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM> > > > Kali_Ma> > > > Re: Mantras of Kali - correction> > > > > > > > 93, just correcting the stuff:> > > > > > > > 1. hrIM shrIM krIM parameshvari kAlike svAhA (no "OM"; and"Kalike")> > > > > > > > 2. OM krIM kAlyai namaH ("Kalyai" correct)> > > > > > > > 3. krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 dakShiNe kAlike krIM 3 huM 2 hrIM 2 svAhA > > > > (three "kreems" in the end also and no "OM" in the beginning)> > > > > > > > Out of these the first and the third are recommended by Tantras,> not > > > > the second one.> > > > > > > > Love is the law, love under will.> > > > A.> > > > > > > > > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote:> > > > > Om hrim shrim krim parameshwari kalikayai swaha> > > > > > > > > > Om krim kaliyai namah> > > > > > > > > > Om krim krim krim hum hum hrim hrim dakshine kalike krim krim > > > > > hum hum hrim hrim swaha> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:> > > Kali_Ma/> > > > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Kali_Ma> > > > > > Terms of> Service. > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends> > http://uk.messenger.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links> > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:> > Kali_Ma/> > > > > > Kali_Ma> > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms ofService. > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends> http://uk.messenger.> > > > > > > Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> Kali_Ma/> > To from this group, send an email to:> Kali_Ma> > Your use of is subject to the > > > > Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.Do You ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2005 Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > OM is a universal word and can be used before or after ANY MANTRA. This is Ur opinion or the statement of Shastras? If the letter, please provide me the reference. In any case, WHY should we add "Om" (even if it is possible, which isn't at all sure) when these mantras are given without it? Why to make our own inventions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2005 93 Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote: > Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > > Being accurate in the MANTRA if at all you are chanting it is > impotant. This is not cheering your local basketball team, so that the > language does not matters, cheer matters.... > > > > Strange, how these people try to teach us what we made the world to > learn. > > You mean all that ridiculous superstitious nonsense, > mythological fantasy, misogynistic treatment of woman > and fascistic racial policy? > > No thanks. Take it all back. Outside of Shankara > (as he was, not how the shankaracharyas teach him > now), it's all bullshit. There is indeed much shit in orthodox hinduism based on Smriti and Puranas, alas. But there is much more precious in heterodox stream, than so called advaita of Shankara . A. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2005 Then what is the necessity in mantras at all? What is the problem to pray sincerely in english or whatever language? It is important how sadhaka is pronouncing the mantra. In the case of PRAYER it is not. Even if U pray in useless sanskrit or arabic, to Her it doesn't matter. But mantras are something different (although they are prayers in a sence, but more than that)... Finally, in the case of one's totality in prayer, in surrender to Her nothing else matters. But this is not a general case. Also such person wouldn't search forums or groups for answers ... A. Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote: > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras > as she does about what clothes you are wearing > today. > > In other words, not at all. > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy, > although the accuracy could be an expression of > the sincerity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2005 Out of curiosity, how many people on the list are Hindu and are of Indian descent? Also.. are you from Southern or Northern India? Charlie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 3, 2005 Maitri Upanishad “One should continuously worship all Gods and Godesses with the Syllable Om. For thus it is said, ‘This Syllable indeed, is holy, this Syllable indeed is supreme. By knowing that Syllable indeed, whatever one desires becomes his.’ And then it has been said elsewhere, ‘This Om is the sound form of this [self].’ Therefore by the utterance of the Syllable Om all these forms [of Brahman] are praised, worshipped, and ascribed. For thus it is said: ‘This Syllable Om, verily, is the higher and lower Brahman.’” (Maitri Upanishad 6:4,5) It is the continuous invocation of Om that is the worship of the three supreme gods, and all forms of mother God including ma Durga and Kali. Om is what is offered, Om is the act of offering, and Om is the One Who receives the offering.1 Only by the all-encompassing Om can we worship the all-encompassing Brahman. Only God can be offered to God. Om is an invocation before all mantra’s, and Om is salutation after all mantra’s. “Because in this manner he joins the prana, the Syllable Om, and all this in its manifoldness therefore this is called Yoga [joining]. The oneness of the breath, the mind, and likewise of the senses [through japa of Om] and the abandonment of all conditions of existence, this is designated as Yoga. One draws in the pranas by means of the Syllable Om.” (Maitri Upanishad 6:22-26) Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa Katha On Sunday, December 30, 1883, Sri Ramakrishna asked a monk: “What is Maa?” The monk answered: “Maa is Sound. It is Om.” Sri Ramakrishna further asked: “But there must be something indicated by the sound [Om]. Isn’t that so?” To this the monk replied: “That Itself is the thing indicated as well as the indicator.”26 At these words Sri Ramakrishna went into samadhi. That is, the immortal truth of the monk’s words lifted His mind into infinity, thus indicating their truth. (See The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, Edition -III, 1999,Oxford University Press, p. 372) (I hope rather than being arrogant and know-all attitude, you should see more, feel more and learn more….!! J.Chatterjee)Arjuna Taradasa <saidevi55 > wrote: Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> OM is a universal word and can be used before or after ANY MANTRA.This is Ur opinion or the statement of Shastras? If the letter, please provide me the reference.In any case, WHY should we add "Om" (even if it is possible, which isn't at all sure) when these mantras are given without it? Why to make our own inventions?Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 3, 2005 i agree with that. Arjuna Taradasa wrote: > Then what is the necessity in mantras at all? What is the problem to pray sincerely in > english or whatever language? > > It is important how sadhaka is pronouncing the mantra. In the case of PRAYER it is not. > Even if U pray in useless sanskrit or arabic, to Her it doesn't matter. But mantras are > something different (although they are prayers in a sence, but more than that)... > > Finally, in the case of one's totality in prayer, in surrender to Her nothing else matters. But > this is not a general case. Also such person wouldn't search forums or groups for answers > ... > > A. > > Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote: > > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras > > as she does about what clothes you are wearing > > today. > > > > In other words, not at all. > > > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy, > > although the accuracy could be an expression of > > the sincerity. > > > > Links > > > > > > -- > NOTICE: Please note that this e-mail, and the contents > thereof, is subject to the standard University of > Zululand e-mail disclaimer which may be found at: > http://www.ict.uzulu.ac.za/electronic_mail_disclaimer.html -- NOTICE: Please note that this e-mail, and the contents thereof, is subject to the standard University of Zululand e-mail disclaimer which may be found at: http://www.ict.uzulu.ac.za/electronic_mail_disclaimer.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 3, 2005 93 What i do not understand is this: why U want to apply some vedic/upanishadic ideas to TANTRIC mantras? There is no legacy for such approach acc to Shastras. Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > Maitri Upanishad > > "One should continuously worship all Gods and Godesses with the Syllable Om. For thus it is said, `This Syllable indeed, is holy, this Syllable indeed is supreme. By knowing that Syllable indeed, whatever one desires becomes his.' And then it has been said elsewhere, `This Om is the sound form of this [self].' Therefore by the utterance of the Syllable Om all these forms [of Brahman] are praised, worshipped, and ascribed. For thus it is said: `This Syllable Om, verily, is the higher and lower Brahman.'" (Maitri Upanishad 6:4,5) > > It is the continuous invocation of Om that is the worship of the three supreme gods, and all forms of mother God including ma Durga and Kali. Om is what is offered, Om is the act of offering, and Om is the One Who receives the offering.1 Only by the all- encompassing Om can we worship the all-encompassing Brahman. Only God can be offered to God. Om is an invocation before all mantra's, and Om is salutation after all mantra's. > > "Because in this manner he joins the prana, the Syllable Om, and all this in its manifoldness therefore this is called Yoga [joining]. The oneness of the breath, the mind, and likewise of the senses [through japa of Om] and the abandonment of all conditions of existence, this is designated as Yoga. One draws in the pranas by means of the Syllable Om." (Maitri Upanishad 6:22-26) > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa Katha > > On Sunday, December 30, 1883, Sri Ramakrishna asked a monk: "What is Maa?" The monk answered: "Maa is Sound. It is Om." Sri Ramakrishna further asked: "But there must be something indicated by the sound [Om]. Isn't that so?" To this the monk replied: "That Itself is the thing indicated as well as the indicator."26 At these words Sri Ramakrishna went into samadhi. That is, the immortal truth of the monk's words lifted His mind into infinity, thus indicating their truth. (See The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, Edition -III, 1999,Oxford University Press, p. 372) > > (I hope rather than being arrogant and know-all attitude, you should see more, feel more and learn more….!! J.Chatterjee) > > > Arjuna Taradasa <saidevi55> wrote:Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > > OM is a universal word and can be used before or after ANY MANTRA. > > This is Ur opinion or the statement of Shastras? If the letter, please provide me the reference. > In any case, WHY should we add "Om" (even if it is possible, which isn't at all sure) when > these mantras are given without it? Why to make our own inventions? > > > > > > > Links > > > Kali_Ma/ > > > Kali_Ma > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 3, 2005 In your earlier question, you asked whether using OM in mantra's is my openion or statement of the Shastras. I proved to you that its statement of the shastra's, isnt that enough..? I hope you know something about the Maitri Upanishad, or let me know, and I will explain you. The question of why you still do not understand or what you understand is up to God allmighty, but as far as I am concerned, I have answered you in plain and simple english with proper reference and chapter numbers, and the topic for me ends here. J ChatterjeeArjuna Taradasa <saidevi55 > wrote: 93What i do not understand is this: why U want to apply some vedic/upanishadic ideas to TANTRIC mantras? There is no legacy for such approach acc to Shastras.Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> Maitri Upanishad > > "One should continuously worship all Gods and Godesses with the Syllable Om. For thus it is said, `This Syllable indeed, is holy, this Syllable indeed is supreme. By knowing that Syllable indeed, whatever one desires becomes his.' And then it has been said elsewhere, `This Om is the sound form of this [self].' Therefore by the utterance of the Syllable Om all these forms [of Brahman] are praised, worshipped, and ascribed. For thus it is said: `This Syllable Om, verily, is the higher and lower Brahman.'" (Maitri Upanishad 6:4,5) > > It is the continuous invocation of Om that is the worship of the three supreme gods, and all forms of mother God including ma Durga and Kali. Om is what is offered, Om is the act of offering, and Om is the One Who receives the offering.1 Only by the all-encompassing Om can we worship the all-encompassing Brahman. Only God can be offered to God. Om is an invocation before all mantra's, and Om is salutation after all mantra's.> > "Because in this manner he joins the prana, the Syllable Om, and all this in its manifoldness therefore this is called Yoga [joining]. The oneness of the breath, the mind, and likewise of the senses [through japa of Om] and the abandonment of all conditions of existence, this is designated as Yoga. One draws in the pranas by means of the Syllable Om." (Maitri Upanishad 6:22-26) > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa Katha> > On Sunday, December 30, 1883, Sri Ramakrishna asked a monk: "What is Maa?" The monk answered: "Maa is Sound. It is Om." Sri Ramakrishna further asked: "But there must be something indicated by the sound [Om]. Isn't that so?" To this the monk replied: "That Itself is the thing indicated as well as the indicator."26 At these words Sri Ramakrishna went into samadhi. That is, the immortal truth of the monk's words lifted His mind into infinity, thus indicating their truth. (See The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, Edition -III, 1999,Oxford University Press, p. 372)> > (I hope rather than being arrogant and know-all attitude, you should see more, feel more and learn more….!! J.Chatterjee)> > > Arjuna Taradasa <saidevi55> wrote:--- In Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote:> > OM is a universal word and can be used before or after ANY MANTRA.> > This is Ur opinion or the statement of Shastras? If the letter, please provide me the reference.> In any case, WHY should we add "Om" (even if it is possible, which isn't at all sure) when > these mantras are given without it? Why to make our own inventions?> > > > > > > Links> > > Kali_Ma/> > To from this group, send an email to:> Kali_Ma> > Your use of is subject to the > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2005 93 Once again, if you haven't got the idea . Mantras of Kali given before are taken from TANTRAS and not from muktika upanishads, to which Maitri belongs. To tantric mantras the rules of Tantras are to be applied and NOT of smriti, upanishads or whatsoever. Is this not clear? Ramakrishna did not say to put "OM" in front of Agamic vidyas of Kali, did he? Also, he is not an authority for those who aren't his disciples. At to the level above Agama. Also, he never taught Tantra to others. So, you gave NO valid base for putting omkara to those mantras. And according to tantric doctrine, it shouldn't be put. Especially in the case mantras are given not to brahmans - and the case is this. Is the issue closed or you still do not agree? Kali_Ma, J Chatterjee <jkconline> wrote: > It is strange that you still mention the word in caps "U" as in "why U want to apply..." when I have shown you very very clearly that it is already applied in the Upanishads, and also accepted by probably the most well known devotee of Maa Kali, Sri Sri Ramkrishna.... > > In your earlier question, you asked whether using OM in mantra's is my openion or statement of the Shastras. I proved to you that its statement of the shastra's, isnt that enough..? I hope you know something about the Maitri Upanishad, or let me know, and I will explain you. > > The question of why you still do not understand or what you understand is up to God allmighty, but as far as I am concerned, I have answered you in plain and simple english with proper reference and chapter numbers, and the topic for me ends here. > > J Chatterjee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2005 I am a Sakta of Anglo-German descent. K Kali_Ma, Charlie <witchatwork03> wrote: > > Out of curiosity, how many people on the list are > Hindu and are of Indian descent? Also.. are you from > Southern or Northern India? > > Charlie > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2005 Kali_Ma, "Arjuna Taradasa" <saidevi55> wrote: > Then what is the necessity in mantras at all? What is the problem to pray sincerely in > english or whatever language? > > It is important how sadhaka is pronouncing the mantra. In the case of PRAYER it is not. > Even if U pray in useless sanskrit or arabic, to Her it doesn't matter. But mantras are > something different (although they are prayers in a sence, but more than that)... > > Finally, in the case of one's totality in prayer, in surrender to Her nothing else matters. But > this is not a general case. Also such person wouldn't search forums or groups for answers > ... > > A. Perhaps such a person is trying to provide answers for those possibly lost in the thicket of superstitious nonsense that is Hinduism in the West. > > Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote: > > Kali cares as much for how you say Her mantras > > as she does about what clothes you are wearing > > today. > > > > In other words, not at all. > > > > It's all about sincerity, not linguistic accuracy, > > although the accuracy could be an expression of > > the sincerity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 sharma kalibhakta <dr_hampton (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: I am a Sakta of Anglo-German descent. KKali_Ma, Charlie <witchatwork03> wrote:> > Out of curiosity, how many people on the list are> Hindu and are of Indian descent? Also.. are you from> Southern or Northern India? > > Charlie > > > Do You ?> > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 Presently settled in UK, working with an Indian MNC as a computer engineer. J Chatterjee sharma kd <sharma_462008 > wrote: I am from india central ( Bhopal) Hindu Brahmin sharma kalibhakta <dr_hampton (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: I am a Sakta of Anglo-German descent. KKali_Ma, Charlie <witchatwork03> wrote:> > Out of curiosity, how many people on the list are> Hindu and are of Indian descent? Also.. are you from> Southern or Northern India? > > Charlie > > > Do You ?> > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Photos. Get Photos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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