Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2004 THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times)sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: Jai Kali Mata Kiiiii Can anyone give me all KALI MATA MANTR'S CHANTS... Thanks Jai Kali Mata Ki Mail - You care about security. So do we. Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2004 as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times)sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: Jai Kali Mata Kiiiii Can anyone give me all KALI MATA MANTR'S CHANTS... Thanks Jai Kali Mata Ki Mail - You care about security. So do we. Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2004 told don't sound right to me. KALI MAA balu sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times)sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: Jai Kali Mata Kiiiii Can anyone give me all KALI MATA MANTR'S CHANTS... Thanks Jai Kali Mata Ki Mail - You care about security. So do we. Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2004 Hi, Balu -- Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2004 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Kali Mantras: 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy"> Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike Namah 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy"> Om Krim Kaliye Namah 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy"> 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Om Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostute 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy"> 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">The best one is: 1"> Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche Namah color:navy;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">It covers all shaktis and is a mool mantra of shakti either in form of Maha Kali or Maha Laxmi or Maha Saraswati. 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy"> balu gopalan [balugopalan .sg] Thursday, December 16, 2004 5:19 PM Kali_Ma Re: Kali mantras ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> 0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm" id="HB_Mail_Container" height="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on"> height:187.5pt" id="HB_Focus_Element" background="" UNSELECTABLE="off"> THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: 0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm" id="HB_Mail_Container" height="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on"> height:187.5pt" id="HB_Focus_Element" background="" UNSELECTABLE="off"> The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma all"> 0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm" id="HB_Mail_Container" height="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on"> height:187.5pt" id="HB_Focus_Element" background="" UNSELECTABLE="off"> balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> 0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm" id="HB_Mail_Container" height="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on"> height:187.5pt" id="HB_Focus_Element" background="" UNSELECTABLE="off"> Jai Kali Mata Kiiiii Can anyone give me all KALI MATA MANTR'S CHANTS... Thanks Jai Kali Mata Ki margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" id="61d0c83d"> margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Mail - You care about security. So do we. Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. 12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Balugopalan font-style:italic"> bold"> Messenger - Log on with your mobile phone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 This mantras is from kali that who gave it to me . Yes kali is my Kuladevata. yes sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use .< Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: Hi, Balu -- Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Hi Balu, I think Len is right, the mantra you are using is not a sanskara mantra and neither it is the beeja mantra of maa kali. I dont think you should give them out to people who are newly initiated in the devotion of Maa. I am saying this with no ill feelings, and neither should it develop any such feelings in you, but I am trying to guide you to the right path. I have been a Kali bhakta for the past 14 years, and have been initiated my devotions in the Dakshineshwar Temple in West bengal India, from where I received my education for the devi's various form of worship, mantra and some parts of the tantra rituals necessary for anyone doing Shakti sadhana. J Chatterjee balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Len Rosenberg, This mantras is from kali that who gave it to me . Yes kali is my Kuladevata. yes sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use .< Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: Hi, Balu -- Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2004 Hi chatterjiee, ok i agree with your facts. Do you have a simple mantras that can bring kali into you body and souls. Jai maa kali baluJ Chatterjee <jkconline (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Hi Balu, I think Len is right, the mantra you are using is not a sanskara mantra and neither it is the beeja mantra of maa kali. I dont think you should give them out to people who are newly initiated in the devotion of Maa. I am saying this with no ill feelings, and neither should it develop any such feelings in you, but I am trying to guide you to the right path. I have been a Kali bhakta for the past 14 years, and have been initiated my devotions in the Dakshineshwar Temple in West bengal India, from where I received my education for the devi's various form of worship, mantra and some parts of the tantra rituals necessary for anyone doing Shakti sadhana. J Chatterjee balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Len Rosenberg, This mantras is from kali that who gave it to me . Yes kali is my Kuladevata. yes sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use .< Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: Hi, Balu -- Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! The all-new My – Get yours free! Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2004 Dear balu, Thanks for your reply. The best advice I can give is that you should chant the Kali Beeja Mantra after proper initiation. As beeja mantra is a very powerful mantra by its own rights, please go through proper initiation and abolution process before you start. Best Regards J Chatterjeebalu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: Hi chatterjiee, ok i agree with your facts. Do you have a simple mantras that can bring kali into you body and souls. Jai maa kali baluJ Chatterjee <jkconline (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Hi Balu, I think Len is right, the mantra you are using is not a sanskara mantra and neither it is the beeja mantra of maa kali. I dont think you should give them out to people who are newly initiated in the devotion of Maa. I am saying this with no ill feelings, and neither should it develop any such feelings in you, but I am trying to guide you to the right path. I have been a Kali bhakta for the past 14 years, and have been initiated my devotions in the Dakshineshwar Temple in West bengal India, from where I received my education for the devi's various form of worship, mantra and some parts of the tantra rituals necessary for anyone doing Shakti sadhana. J Chatterjee balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Len Rosenberg, This mantras is from kali that who gave it to me . Yes kali is my Kuladevata. yes sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use .< Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: Hi, Balu -- Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! The all-new My – Get yours free! Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2004 Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike Namah Om Krim Kaliye Namah Om Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostute The best one is: Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche Namah It covers all shaktis and is a mool mantra of shakti either in form of Maha Kali or Maha Laxmi or Maha Saraswati. Forgive me if this is a totally daft question, but is there some sort of translation for these? Skye Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release 17/12/04 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2004 Try Jai Ma Kirtan - Songs to the Divine Mother from Sri Rama Publishing in Santa Cruz California. The "secret mantra" my guru gave me was on that tape. That did not lessen this mantra's value to me or the depth of devotional emotion or meditative value of the mantras, but it does point out the failings of the "secret mantra" system. Mantras are powerful prayers and we should all offer powerful prayers to the Mother. If we keep all of our secrets in the open then those who need to find them will and those who don't will not bother to look. Tom Kali_Ma wrote: >------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Give hope to a child. >Helping a needy child is easier than you think. >Click here to meet someone who needs your help. >http://us.click./smp9aD/HohJAA/i1hLAA/CSdplB/TM >--~-> There is 1 message in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Kali mantras > balu gopalan <balugopalan > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:54:17 +0800 (CST) > balu gopalan <balugopalan >Re: Kali mantras > >Hi chatterjiee, > >ok i agree with your facts. Do you have a simple mantras that can bring kali into you body and souls. > >Jai maa kali >balu > >J Chatterjee <jkconline wrote: > >Hi Balu, >I think Len is right, the mantra you are using is not a sanskara mantra and neither it is the beeja mantra of maa kali. I dont think you should give them out to people who are newly initiated in the devotion of Maa. > >I am saying this with no ill feelings, and neither should it develop any such feelings in you, but I am trying to guide you to the right path. I have been a Kali bhakta for the past 14 years, and have been initiated my devotions in the Dakshineshwar Temple in West bengal India, from where I received my education for the devi's various form of worship, mantra and some parts of the tantra rituals necessary for anyone doing Shakti sadhana. > >J Chatterjee > > >balu gopalan <balugopalan wrote: >hi Len Rosenberg, > >This mantras is from kali that who gave it to me . Yes kali is my Kuladevata. >yes sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use .< Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: > >Hi, Balu -- > >Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? > >I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? > >-- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > >balu gopalan <balugopalan wrote: >ok thanks .. >as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this >mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . > >sapna email <sapna208 wrote: > > > > > >THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME > > > >Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: >The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. > >You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" > >Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. > >-- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > > > > > > >balu gopalan <balugopalan wrote: hi Sapna, > >balu here ok very simple ok. >Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) >OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) > > > > > > > >Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. > > >Balugopalan > > Messenger >- Log on with your mobile phone! > > > > > >The all-new My Get yours free! > Sponsor >Children InternationalGive a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season ·Click Here to meet a Boy >And Change His Life·Click Here to meet a Girl >And Give Her Hope areLearn More > > > Links > > >Kali_Ma/ > > >Kali_Ma > > > > > > >Balugopalan > > Messenger >- Log on with your mobile phone! > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > > > >------ > Links > > > > >------ > > > > > > >. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2004 Balu You mena Maa Kali ,,,, she herself gave you this Mantra.. pls clear JAI KALI MAA SAPNA balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Len Rosenberg, This mantras is from kali that who gave it to me . Yes kali is my Kuladevata. yes sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use .< Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: Hi, Balu -- Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2004 JC can you please give me powerful mantra's ...pls help me out Sapna J Chatterjee <jkconline (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Hi Balu, I think Len is right, the mantra you are using is not a sanskara mantra and neither it is the beeja mantra of maa kali. I dont think you should give them out to people who are newly initiated in the devotion of Maa. I am saying this with no ill feelings, and neither should it develop any such feelings in you, but I am trying to guide you to the right path. I have been a Kali bhakta for the past 14 years, and have been initiated my devotions in the Dakshineshwar Temple in West bengal India, from where I received my education for the devi's various form of worship, mantra and some parts of the tantra rituals necessary for anyone doing Shakti sadhana. J Chatterjee balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Len Rosenberg, This mantras is from kali that who gave it to me . Yes kali is my Kuladevata. yes sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use .< Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: Hi, Balu -- Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! The all-new My – Get yours free! Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2004 Dear J Chatterjee Can you please tell me proper way for chanting KALI'S BEEJ MANTRA,,,,, please advice me proper way so I can start chanting as I m waiting so long Jai Kali Maa,,,, Sapna J Chatterjee <jkconline (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear balu, Thanks for your reply. The best advice I can give is that you should chant the Kali Beeja Mantra after proper initiation. As beeja mantra is a very powerful mantra by its own rights, please go through proper initiation and abolution process before you start. Best Regards J Chatterjeebalu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: Hi chatterjiee, ok i agree with your facts. Do you have a simple mantras that can bring kali into you body and souls. Jai maa kali baluJ Chatterjee <jkconline (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Hi Balu, I think Len is right, the mantra you are using is not a sanskara mantra and neither it is the beeja mantra of maa kali. I dont think you should give them out to people who are newly initiated in the devotion of Maa. I am saying this with no ill feelings, and neither should it develop any such feelings in you, but I am trying to guide you to the right path. I have been a Kali bhakta for the past 14 years, and have been initiated my devotions in the Dakshineshwar Temple in West bengal India, from where I received my education for the devi's various form of worship, mantra and some parts of the tantra rituals necessary for anyone doing Shakti sadhana. J Chatterjee balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Len Rosenberg, This mantras is from kali that who gave it to me . Yes kali is my Kuladevata. yes sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use .< Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: Hi, Balu -- Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! The all-new My – Get yours free! Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2004 They all ask Mother Kali to hack off the heads of your enemies and string them around her neck. No, I'm kidding. The bijas (seed syllables) like Krim, Hrim, Shrim, have no translation. They just have effects when chanted. Namah means "I bow to you." The longest mantra means: Om kali kali mahakali (black goddess, black goddess, great black goddess) Kalike papa harini (dear Kali, remover of sins) dharmaartha mokshade devi (you grant virtue, wealth, and freedom) Narayani namostute (goal of humanity, we offer you worship) -- Len/ Kalipadma Skye <newskye (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote: Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike NamahOm Krim Kaliye NamahOm Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostuteThe best one is: Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche NamahIt covers all shaktis and is a mool mantra of shakti either in form of Maha Kali or Maha Laxmi or Maha Saraswati.Forgive me if this is a totally daft question, but is there some sort of translation for these? SkyeNo virus found in this outgoing message.Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release 17/12/04 Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2004 Dear Skye, Its nice to see you presenting the mantra's on the group. May I take the oppertunity to explain their basis a bit more clearly: Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike Namah: This is the dakshineswari mantra. It does not have a histrory of its own, in terms of bhairavi mantra's, this has no mention in the uccayana shastra, but its more populer amongst the kali worshippers of bengal. Om Krim Kaliye Namah, should be pronounced as OM KREEM KALIKAYE NAMAAH. This is the BEEJA MANTRA of MAA. It is a powerful mantra, which needs to be initiated through a guru on a specific time on either a saturday or Tuesday, and needs to be chanted 108 times all days a week, or at-least on a sat and tue. Misuse or disrespect of this mantra could bring in harm to the person and his surroundings. Om Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostute: This is the sanskrit mantra used generally for worship. It is part of the chandika pujan mantra, and has a total of 32 stanza. This mantra has no special meaning or power in it unless used or chanted in full and during maha kaal nights. Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche Namah is the mantra of devi chamunda, and CANNOT BE CONSIDERED a moola mantra for all forms of shakti. Its a auspicious manta for people trying to practice the art of rudri or chamundi, but has little relation with other bhairavi mantra's. Thanks J Chatterjee Skye <newskye (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote: Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike NamahOm Krim Kaliye NamahOm Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostuteThe best one is: Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche NamahIt covers all shaktis and is a mool mantra of shakti either in form of Maha Kali or Maha Laxmi or Maha Saraswati.Forgive me if this is a totally daft question, but is there some sort of translation for these? SkyeNo virus found in this outgoing message.Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release 17/12/04 Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2004 Thank you very much! I'm new to all of this, and obviously have lots to learn. Skye At 23:11 19/12/04 -0800, you wrote: >They all ask Mother Kali to hack off the heads of your enemies and string >them around her neck. > >No, I'm kidding. > >The bijas (seed syllables) like Krim, Hrim, Shrim, have no >translation. They just have effects when chanted. Namah means "I bow to you." > >The longest mantra means: > >Om kali kali mahakali (black goddess, black goddess, great black goddess) > >Kalike papa harini (dear Kali, remover of sins) > >dharmaartha mokshade devi (you grant virtue, wealth, and freedom) > >Narayani namostute (goal of humanity, we offer you worship) > >-- Len/ Kalipadma -- Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release 17/12/04 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2004 ok i make it clear i can see kali vadevam and i can talk to her whenever, she is inside of me. it the gift that i got it from her, she is everying for me . jai kali balusapna email <sapna208 > wrote: Balu You mena Maa Kali ,,,, she herself gave you this Mantra.. pls clear JAI KALI MAA SAPNA balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Len Rosenberg, This mantras is from kali that who gave it to me . Yes kali is my Kuladevata. yes sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use .< Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: Hi, Balu -- Who gave you this mantra? Did you get it from a Guru, from a book, from your parents? Is Mother Kali your family's Kuladevata? I'm certainly not saying that the mantra is not effective foir YOU. But it doesn't sound like the sort of mantra that would usually come from a Guru. And are you sure it is appropriate for Sapna to use? -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: ok thanks .. as from my view i am praying to kali since i was 3 yrs old, so i am using this mantras, it can use to say as mantras or use as bhajans so pls Len Rosenberg. reply me . sapna email <sapna208 > wrote: THANK YOU,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT IF U HAVE MORE............. PLS GIVE ME Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: The examples given by Balu Gopalan are NOT Kali mantras! They may be bhajans (praises meant for singing). But mantras have a regular structure which uses the dative case, and a verb form that means "I bow to you" or, "I make offerings to you." There are occasional exceptions to this structure, but the examples Balu gave don't sound right to me. You'd get as much benefit from simply chanting "Kali Om!" Unless She is your Family's patron deity, taking up a Kali practice requires a certain amount of guidance from a Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma balu gopalan <balugopalan .sg> wrote: hi Sapna, balu here ok very simple ok. Just say om maha kali om sakthi om REPEAT(50 or 108 TIMES) OR else say om maha kali ni namami Repeat(50 or 108 times) Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Balugopalan Messenger- Log on with your mobile phone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2004 Namaste~ Forgive the question, but could you perhaps provide pronunciations? Jai maa, Malachi aka Neelasitara Kali_Ma, Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108> wrote: > > They all ask Mother Kali to hack off the heads of your enemies and string them around her neck. > > No, I'm kidding. > > The bijas (seed syllables) like Krim, Hrim, Shrim, have no translation. They just have effects when chanted. Namah means "I bow to you." > > The longest mantra means: > > Om kali kali mahakali (black goddess, black goddess, great black goddess) > > Kalike papa harini (dear Kali, remover of sins) > > dharmaartha mokshade devi (you grant virtue, wealth, and freedom) > > Narayani namostute (goal of humanity, we offer you worship) > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > Skye <newskye@n...> wrote: Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike Namah > Om Krim Kaliye Namah > Om Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostute > The best one is: Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche Namah > It covers all shaktis and is a mool mantra of shakti either in form of Maha Kali or Maha Laxmi or Maha Saraswati. > > Forgive me if this is a totally daft question, but is there some sort of translation for these? > > Skye > > > Sponsor > Children InternationalGive a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season ·Click Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life·Click Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope areLearn More > > > Links > > > Kali_Ma/ > > > Kali_Ma > > Terms of Service. > > > > Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release 17/12/04 > > > > > > Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 24, 2004 At 07:16 20/12/04 +0000, you wrote: Dear Skye, Its nice to see you presenting the mantra's on the group. May I take the oppertunity to explain their basis a bit more clearly: I haven't presented anything... I don't know anything! I'm just interested inlearning more about this. I've just discovered Kali not long ago, and although I do want to develop a relationship w/ her, I don't know anything of the terminology you all use. Beeja mantra? Moola mantra? I don't know anything about gurus or why one would be necessary. I mean no disrespect by this, but I truly don't understand why the formality of specific numbers of repetitions on specific nights of words in a language I dont know is necessary to connect w/ the goddess. Truly, I mean this question sincerely.... could anyone shed light on this for me? To embrace the goddess must we embrace the culture she's most often worshipped in? If the goddess in universal then why would it be necessary to worship in a foreign language, using words I don't even understand and can't pronounce? Or is it? Skye... most perplexed Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike Namah: This is the dakshineswari mantra. It does not have a histrory of its own, in terms of bhairavi mantra's, this has no mention in the uccayana shastra, but its more populer amongst the kali worshippers of bengal. Om Krim Kaliye Namah, should be pronounced as OM KREEM KALIKAYE NAMAAH. This is the BEEJA MANTRA of MAA. It is a powerful mantra, which needs to be initiated through a guru on a specific time on either a saturday or Tuesday, and needs to be chanted 108 times all days a week, or at-least on a sat and tue. Misuse or disrespect of this mantra could bring in harm to the person and his surroundings. Om Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostute: This is the sanskrit mantra used generally for worship. It is part of the chandika pujan mantra, and has a total of 32 stanza. This mantra has no special meaning or power in it unless used or chanted in full and during maha kaal nights. Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche Namah is the mantra of devi chamunda, and CANNOT BE CONSIDERED a moola mantra for all forms of shakti. Its a auspicious manta for people trying to practice the art of rudri or chamundi, but has little relation with other bhairavi mantra's. Thanks J Chatterjee Skye <newskye (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote: Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike Namah Om Krim Kaliye Namah Om Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostute The best one is: Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche Namah It covers all shaktis and is a mool mantra of shakti either in form of Maha Kali or Maha Laxmi or Maha Saraswati. Forgive me if this is a totally daft question, but is there some sort of translation for these? Skye Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release 22/12/04 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 25, 2004 Dear Skye, Thanks for your email, and its nice to learn your logic too. In the universe, everything moves on a specific pattern, everything happens in a specific pattern, all moves in a specific way, we take birth and die, all these are natural or cosmic rules. In the same way, when you want to embrace certain cosmic strengths or blessings like in hinduism we say, you have to walk a specific way. Maa or Mother is universal and has neither religion or region to be known or know, but if you follow a set path which has been followed proven, your way becomes easier. Its more like trying to drive a BMW in autodrive rather than shifting gears even when you know driving. Hinduism is A 5000 YEAR OLD RELIGION, and because it still survives and flourishes today, is the key element that all or most things that are practiced and preached in it has a specific reason or essence of life and the super soul. In one way,wearelucky to be born asaindu, than a lotof other people who comes intothis fold from outside to find its light. I opeyou understand what Imean. Also,ifyoulook at the depth of things, hinduism is not a religion but a way of life by its own rights as well. As far as the language is concerned or the pronounciation of it, if you have read any of Dr Arther Haley's books (1876 - 1945), words are powers by themselves, they generat certain vibrations in the cosmic world which brings back the reaction to the speller. Thus, are these Beeja Mantra's, they are actually the ROOT (english ROOT) mantra's which generates or creates certain cosmic vibrations, bringing back the effects of the words on its user. In hinduism we believe that the word OM is the first and last word in cosmology, because while you pronounce this word, you use all three areas of your mouth, meaning your lips, tongue and throat. Till now, there is NO OTHER WORD IN THE HISTORY OF RELIGION that spells such a magical impact like OM. This is the mother of all mantra's, or if you want to know in a modern man's language, its a word which creates the maximum vibration on your physical self (try and see by pronouncing softly with depth) as well as in the mental state, which can be understood only when you advance in things. All the other Beeja Mantra's have been born from the Root mantra or root word OM. Thus it is important that this certain language or dialect is used when someone is serious and sincere in practising this universal faith. As far as a Guru is concerned, it may not be necessarily be a human guru as such, though thats always is the first preference, because when you are in the path of starting to practice POWER WORSHIP (Shakti puja) it is important that you know things from someone who is more learned than you, else this turns more towards occult rather than worship. There is a vast difference between the two. Other guru's that are possible to attain the road to shakti worship can be veda's and upanishads, the holy books of hindu religion, or even books written by modern yogi's and practicers, though their numbers are fast diminishing nowdays. >From my 14 years experience in the worship of Maa Kali, whatever I have learned or attained, hasn't come cheap or easy, neither I have seen the cosmic light in the 7th day of my practice or the 7th year. Thus, you need to be patience, ask questions, know more and a little more than more. Keep it up, if you are aspired to attain, neither your language or region or religion will be a barrier. J Chatterjee Skye <newskye (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote: At 07:16 20/12/04 +0000, you wrote: Dear Skye,Its nice to see you presenting the mantra's on the group. May I take the oppertunity to explain their basis a bit more clearly:I haven't presented anything... I don't know anything! I'm just interested inlearning more about this. I've just discovered Kali not long ago, and although I do want to develop a relationship w/ her, I don't know anything of the terminology you all use. Beeja mantra? Moola mantra? I don't know anything about gurus or why one would be necessary. I mean no disrespect by this, but I truly don't understand why the formality of specific numbers of repetitions on specific nights of words in a language I dont know is necessary to connect w/ the goddess. Truly, I mean this question sincerely.... could anyone shed light on this for me? To embrace the goddess must we embrace the culture she's most often worshipped in? If the goddess in universal then why would it be necessary to worship in a foreign language, using words I don't even understand and can't pronounce? Or is it?Skye... most perplexed Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike Namah: This is the dakshineswari mantra. It does not have a histrory of its own, in terms of bhairavi mantra's, this has no mention in the uccayana shastra, but its more populer amongst the kali worshippers of bengal.Om Krim Kaliye Namah, should be pronounced as OM KREEM KALIKAYE NAMAAH. This is the BEEJA MANTRA of MAA. It is a powerful mantra, which needs to be initiated through a guru on a specific time on either a saturday or Tuesday, and needs to be chanted 108 times all days a week, or at-least on a sat and tue. Misuse or disrespect of this mantra could bring in harm to the person and his surroundings.Om Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostute: This is the sanskrit mantra used generally for worship. It is part of the chandika pujan mantra, and has a total of 32 stanza. This mantra has no special meaning or power in it unless used or chanted in full and during maha kaal nights.Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche Namah is the mantra of devi chamunda, and CANNOT BE CONSIDERED a moola mantra for all forms of shakti. Its a auspicious manta for people trying to practice the art of rudri or chamundi, but has little relation with other bhairavi mantra's.ThanksJ Chatterjee Skye <newskye (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote: Om Hrim Shrim Krim Parameshwari Kalike Namah Om Krim Kaliye Namah Om Kali kali maha kali kalike paapharini, dharamarth mokshade devi narayani namostute The best one is: Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche Namah It covers all shaktis and is a mool mantra of shakti either in form of Maha Kali or Maha Laxmi or Maha Saraswati. Forgive me if this is a totally daft question, but is there some sort of translation for these? Skye Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release 22/12/04 Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 25, 2004 Hinduism is not a religion that seeks converts. Religions that proselytize (like Christianity and Buddhism) often try to make their faiths more attractive by translating their prayers and litanies into the languages of other peoples who might be interested. An exception is Islam -- you become a Muslim, you have to become famliar with the Koran, in Arabic! In religions that do not seek converts (like Judaism, Hinduism, and Native American paths), one sign that you are genuinely interested in studying their faiths and worshipping their gods, is by picking up the prayers and rituals in their original languages. Kabbalists believe that Hebrew has a magical effect, the very letters of hebrew have magical correspondences revealed through Gematria (a form of numerology). Similarly, Hindus believe that Sanskrit is a magical language. The vibrations of properly pronounced Sanskrit have effects on the material world. This is why mantras don't work in translation -- only the Sanskrit sounds will have the desired effect. Hindu deities will listen to anyone's prayers, but they will respond better if you approach them with Sanskrit, and utilize the traditional methods (making puja offerings, timing your prayers by astrological rules, repeating mantras prescribed numbers of times, paying attention to what specific gods like and dislike to be offered. Bottom line is, Hinduism is NOT Neo-Paganism. You can't just make it up as you go along, and good intentions aren't enough. If you make one step towards the Devas, they will respond with many steps towards you, but that first step is going to be in Sanskrit. Even badly pronounced Sanskrit is better than no Sanskrit. There are places where cultures have pronounced Sanskrit with their own unique linguistic quirks (China, Tibet, Japan, Indonesia) and the mantras sound different, but they work! There are Neo-Pagans (frequently feminists and Goth kids) who worship Kali with the best intentions, and only in English. I don't know if their prayers work. But what they are doing is not Hinduism, it is Neo-Paganism flavored with curry. Your best bet in starting out in Sanskrit mantra is to resort to the AUM (sometimes spelled OM). Most prayers begin with AUM, it's the sound of the universe, and by chanting AUM you get the gods' attention. The bija (seed syllable) for Kali Ma is KRIM. Simply chanting AUM KRIM KRIM KRIM will begin to bring Kali's attention into your life. Be aware that Kali's power is to take things away. She will remove your sadness, your confusion, your anger. She will eventually remove your physical body, but that was only yours on loan from her, anyway. She is best approached when the Moon is waning. Kali is my spiritual mother, and she is very good at protecting her children. Your mileage may vary. -- Len/ Black Lotus Enticed is the bee of my mind/ by the black lotus feet of my divine mother.// Skye <newskye (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote: At 07:16 20/12/04 +0000, you wrote: Dear Skye,Its nice to see you presenting the mantra's on the group. May I take the oppertunity to explain their basis a bit more clearly:I haven't presented anything... I don't know anything! I'm just interested inlearning more about this. I've just discovered Kali not long ago, and although I do want to develop a relationship w/ her, I don't know anything of the terminology you all use. Beeja mantra? Moola mantra? I don't know anything about gurus or why one would be necessary. I mean no disrespect by this, but I truly don't understand why the formality of specific numbers of repetitions on specific nights of words in a language I dont know is necessary to connect w/ the goddess. Truly, I mean this question sincerely.... could anyone shed light on this for me? To embrace the goddess must we embrace the culture she's most often worshipped in? If the goddess in universal then why would it be necessary to worship in a foreign language, using words I don't even understand and can't pronounce? Or is it?Skye... most perplexedTired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 11, 2005 Hello Skye and group members, "Worship me at home, in language from the heart". This is advice I received from one of the major Kali temples in Calcutta (Adyar Peeth). I want to say that in India itself there are many different answers to the questions you have raised. Some people may believe it is important to worship Kali in Sanskrit, however others use a variety of vernacular languages -- i.e. languages of everyday conversation. Personally, I talk with Kali mainly in English, because this is the vernacular i grew up with, and is the language of my heart. Because Kali has spoken to me in dreams, and English happens to be the language she used. I do use Sanskrit in worship too, not because i m convinced of the intrinsic power of Sanskrit words (though i know others believe in this); but because there is something important about sharing a hymn that has been used for many centuries, speaking the same words in the same language that devotees have used for so long. Has this done anything for your perplexity, Skye? Best wishes Colin Kali_Ma, Skye <newskye@n...> wrote: > At 07:16 20/12/04 +0000, you wrote: > >Dear Skye, > >Its nice to see you presenting the mantra's on the group. May I take the > >oppertunity to explain their basis a bit more clearly: > > I haven't presented anything... I don't know anything! I'm just interested > inlearning more about this. I've just discovered Kali not long ago, and > although I do want to develop a relationship w/ her, I don't know anything > of the terminology you all use. Beeja mantra? Moola mantra? I don't know > anything about gurus or why one would be necessary. > > I mean no disrespect by this, but I truly don't understand why the > formality of specific numbers of repetitions on specific nights of words in > a language I dont know is necessary to connect w/ the goddess. Truly, I > mean this question sincerely.... could anyone shed light on this for > me? To embrace the goddess must we embrace the culture she's most often > worshipped in? If the goddess in universal then why would it be necessary > to worship in a foreign language, using words I don't even understand and > can't pronounce? Or is it? > > Skye... most perplexed 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release 22/12/04 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 11, 2005 Kali_Ma, Skye <newskye@n...> wrote: > > Thank you very much! I'm new to all of this, and obviously have lots to learn. > > Skye To tell you the truth, Skye, one thing you DON'T have to learn are fancy Sanskrit mantras. While shaktism has it's roots in hinduism and Sanskrit, the fact is that Mother hears all languages equally. You can chant in English, Spanish or any other language you happen to use. Ma Kali doesn't hear the words, She hears the intention. Sincerity will win out over proper pronounciation, Every single time. --jody. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2007 Hi, Sincerity does win in the case of prayer. Mantras are also used for healing, cleansing and increasing one's awareness. For the intended benefit to occur, and activating specific chakras, you really want to pronounce the Sanskrit syllables right. Its best to get an audio CD, or listen to available mp3s online. I can pronounce Sanskrit well, but wherever I can't find the original Sanskrit script, I look for the audio file, or check with a pundit. Cheers! Sincerity will win out over proper pronounciation, Every single time. --jody. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
