Does a reincarnating soul have any choice?

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dear friends

 

 

In Hinduism Sankara says that again human birth is almost impossible (Jantunaam

Nara Janma Durlabhamidam). Sankara was the incarnation of Siva and so what He

told is also authoritative. Even Gita says that the soul comes back to this

world but does not say that the soul gets again the human birth (Ksheene Punye

Martyalokam Visanti). In the second chapter, Gita speaks about rebirth but not

about the human rebirth. Islam and Christianity say that the human birth is

given only as a single chance. After this the final judgement is given. The soul

either goes to the Lord or goes to the hell permanently. In Gita also there are

two ways for the soul. Either the soul goes to the Lord and does not return back

or the soul returns back to the world (Abrahma Bhuvanath, Yat Gatva). According

to Gita, if the soul does not go to the Lord (Brahmaloka), it returns back after

enjoying the fruits of incomplete spiritual effort. Therefore in this human

birth, if the spiritual effort is completed, the

soul goes to the Brahmaloka permanently.

If the spiritual effort is incomplete the soul may go up to any world below

Brahmaloka, it will return back to this earth after enjoying the fruits of its

incomplete spiritual effort. The soul may go up to the sixth world, it cannot go

to the Brahmaloka, which is the seventh world by doing the remaining spiritual

effort in the sixth world. The reason is once the soul leaves this earth all the

upper worlds are only Bhogalokas i.e., the worlds in which the soul can enjoy

the fruits, but cannot do any work (Karma). Therefore the soul has to return

back to the earth. The soul will not get again another chance of human birth

because once it is failed it can never succeed. Therefore the soul comes to the

earth and falls into the cycle of animals and birds only. When the soul is

trapped in this cycle of animal births, it is treated as a permanent hell.

If the soul goes to Brahmaloka it always accompanies the Lord either in

Brahmaloka or may come back to the earth along with the Lord who takes the human

incarnation. In such case the soul is born as a divine servant of the Lord. Such

soul will not take rebirth in the cycle of animals. Thus for the divine soul

also there is no such rebirth. In this way Hinduism, Islam and Christianity are

correlated as one concept preached by the one Lord. Christians and Muslims are

putting up sincere spiritual effort because there is a threat that this human

life is the only chance. There is no reexamination according to these religions.

This human birth is the only one examination and the soul either passes or fails

and will not be allowed for any reexamination. But in Hinduism such threat is

not there.

People have taken a lenient view on the spiritual life because they think

that the human rebirths are possible and so they can put up the spiritual effort

slowly in the future human births. The Lord cannot say different theories to

different people. The rule must be same for all the human beings of the world.

Therefore whatever the Lord told in Christianity and Islam also told the same in

Hinduism. Hindus misunderstood the concept. Therefore what ever may be the

religion, every human being should think “Now or Neverâ€.

The human rebirth is only for Yoga Bhrashta i.e., the soul, which has

reached Brahmaloka and fell due to some slip. Such a soul is suspended from

Brahmaloka and comes down to the earth and takes rebirth as a human being only.

You have passed the P.G. Degree and obtained the post of the lecturer. But you

were suspended for a month due to some mistake. You will be re-appointed.

Similarly the Yoga Bhrashta will be born as a human being for some time and

will come back to Brahmaloka. The case of incomplete spiritual effort is

different from Yoga Bhrashta. The incomplete spiritual person is like a B.A.

Degree holder who never achieved the lecturer post. You cannot argue that you

can be appointed as a seventy five percent lecturer since you reached seventy

five percent of the total educational period (from school to P.G.Degree is

hundred percent) by getting a B.A. Degree.

Thus there is no partial achievement by partial spiritual effort. The grace

of the Lord is either hundred percent or zero. If it is hundred percent you are

reaching Brahmaloka. If it is Zero percent you are falling back to the earth in

the cycle of animals and birds. There is no third way in between these two. When

this truth is revealed, only one in thousands will try to put the real spiritual

effort as said in Gita (Manushyaanaam Sahasreshu). By this Hindus will become

alert in spiritual effort like Christians and Muslims.

at the lotus of shri datta swami

surya

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shanracer <no_reply> wrote: When a soul is ready to be

reborn, Mother Nature chooses a body that will best allow it to work out its

Karma.

 

 

 

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, prakki surya <dattapr2000

wrote:

" In this way Hinduism, Islam and Christianity are correlated as one

concept preached by the one Lord."

 

Hinduism has re-birth as its core philosophy. The logics you have

tried to put against Hinduism' re-birth theory, is very lame and has

no basic. You are misinterpreting Gita to give creches to your lame

logics. In Gita shri Krishna has cleary explained about those who

can not complete their Yoga sadhna in one birth. HE says :-

 

"Prapaya Punyakritam loka......yati pram gatim (shloka

41,42,43,44,&5of chapter 6)

 

"Hey Arjun, those who are failed in their yoga sadhna in this

birth, they take re-birth in the house of pure people and soon due

to their last birth's sadhna, they turn to spirituality and re-start

their sadhna (from where they left in last birth)...and thus birth

by birth ...he gains spiritual heights and finally reaches me"

 

ANY COMMENTS ???

 

Further you wrote

"Christians and Muslims are putting up sincere spiritual effort

because there is a threat that this human life is the only chance.""

 

The philosphy of Christianity is childish before the Hinduism

philosophy of Advaita and Tantra.

 

And muslims are making a sincere effort YES by exploding bombs

in temples, churches and breaking Budha idols...and killing innocent

Kafirs and their children...so please dont equate hinduism with a

cave-man's religion!!

 

 

 

<<By this Hindus will become alert in spiritual effort like

Christians and Muslims>>

 

Please i am allergic to bul..t !! I am already sneezin

 

My sincere advice to you Surya ...instead of this cutting and

pasting ...try seeing the truth yourself ! you will be surprised

how things change after you have glimpsed the Truth !!

 

With love

 

baba

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, Aditya Mukherjee <adimuk wrote:

 

> Jantunaam(animal) Nara Janma Durlabhamidam

>

DURLABHAM...does not mean Impossible...it means with

difficulty. Surya is giving his own translations to the sanskrti

words...and his own half baked meanings to the shlokas of gita !!

 

>> What causes a soul to qualify for this quantum leap(animal to

humane) god only knows .....Maybe...

 

In the matter... the first manifestation is of prana...and the

matter takes form of the plants.

 

the next manifestation of sub-consc..and the mind (in little

percentage)...and the plants taking shape of lower animals...

 

Mind half developed...sub-consc still controlling the matter...but

intelligence shining now and then behind the veil... and the lower

animals change to higher mamals....

 

And Mind taking over actions...intelligence checking ...and viveka

shining behind the veil....The Human is born !!

 

 

It is the Viveka...the Prgya which separates us totally from an

animal and a plant....and the moment Viveka is manifested we become

a Karmic entity...now onwards.. we are responsible for our

Karma...whereas the plants and animals are not...becoz Nature choses

for them....but since the human has the right to chose (through

viveka)...he is bound by the chain of Karmik Laws.

 

A lion kills a young fawn and eats it...but he is not a sinner!!

whereas a human is.. becoz the lion is not guilty conscious, but the

human is !

 

So we started our jouney from a single celled plant and in

million of years...have reached here !! and there is a long journey

still ahead.

 

We still have the traces of our olden lives...some of us are

jackals..some are lions...some are hyenas...some are foxes..some are

dogs..some are bulls...and it will take a long time to send these

animal vrittis down the store house of sub-consc.

 

We have to manifest now the divinity...the Hritmbhra Pragya will

take over...and God will be manifested in the matter....THE END (But

this end may never come...and Maha pralaya comes ) ha ha ha!!

 

And sadhna is the key...sadhna is the way..

 

love

 

baba

 

BTW where are the Shaktis of our Group ?? (pyari, uma,svcs and Agni

Devi)and some darker shaktis are also missing.... I really miss u

all..CME BACK