The Rudram as chanted today

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Dear list members,

 

I was unable to get answers to these questions about the Rudram on the old

Indology list so I thought I'd try once more on the new list.

 

1) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've come

across are the version from the Taittiriya Samhita. Is the Rudram chanted

today in Saivite temples (or anywhere else) in the versions from the other

Yajur veda samhitas?

 

2) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've come

across are Taittiriya Samhita chapters 4.5 and 4.7 but always include the

following interpolated verses.

 

In the Rudram chant TS 4.5.1 is always followed by the following line (which

is not from the vedic corpus as far as I can see):

 

namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya tripurAntakAya

trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya sarvezvarAya

sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |

 

TS 4.5.11 is always followed by the following verse which consists of lines

from various different parts of the vedic texts including the Rg veda):

tryAmbakaM yajAmahe sugandhim puSTivardhanaM | urvArukamiva

bandhanAnmRtyormukSIya mAmRtAt | Yo rudro agnau yo apsu ya oSadhISu yo rudro

vizvA bhuvanA viveza tasmai rudrAya namo astu | tamuSTuhi yaH sviSuH

sudhanvA yo vizvasya kSayati bheSajasya | yakSvAmahe saumanasAya rudram

namobhirdevamasuraM duvasya | ayaM me hasto bhagavAnayaM me bhagavattaraH |

ayaM me vizvabheSajoya& zivAbhimarzanaH | Ye te sahasramayutaM pAzA mRtyo

martyAya hantave | tAnyajnasyamAyayA sarvAnava yajAmahe | mRtyave svAhA

mRtyave svAha | Om namo bhagavate rudrAya viSNave mRtyurme pAhi | prANAnAM

granthirasi rudro mA vizAntakaH | tenAnnenApyAyasva | Namo rudrAya viSNave

mRtyurme pAhi |

 

TS 4.7.11 is followed by:

 

iDA devahUrmanuryajnanIrbRhaspati rukthAmadAni za&siSadvizvedevaH sUktavAcaH

pRthivi mAtarmA mA hi&sIrmadhu maniSye madhu janiSye madhu vakSyAmi madhu

vadiSyAmi madhmatIm devebhyovAcamudyAsa& zuzrUSeNyAM manuSyebhyastaM mA devA

avantu zobhAyai pitaronumadantu |

 

Does anyone know if there are any references in the religious literature

about these interpolated verses and why they were included into the Rudram

litany? Do we know when these were included? Do these interpolationed

verses appear as complete verses anywhere else?

 

Many thanks,

 

 

 

Harry Spier

371 Brickman Rd.

Hurleyville, New York

USA 12747

 

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INDOLOGY, "Harry Spier" <harryspier@H...> wrote:

> Dear list members,

>

> I was unable to get answers to these questions about the Rudram on

the old

> Indology list so I thought I'd try once more on the new list.

>

> 1) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've

come

> across are the version from the Taittiriya Samhita. Is the Rudram

chanted

> today in Saivite temples (or anywhere else) in the versions from

the other

> Yajur veda samhitas?

>

> 2) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've

come

> across are Taittiriya Samhita chapters 4.5 and 4.7 but always

include the

> following interpolated verses.

>

> In the Rudram chant TS 4.5.1 is always followed by the following

line (which

> is not from the vedic corpus as far as I can see):

>

> namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya

tripurAntakAya

> trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya

sarvezvarAya

> sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |

>

> TS 4.5.11 is always followed by the following verse which consists

of lines

> from various different parts of the vedic texts including the Rg

veda):

> tryAmbakaM yajAmahe sugandhim puSTivardhanaM | urvArukamiva

> bandhanAnmRtyormukSIya mAmRtAt | Yo rudro agnau yo apsu ya oSadhISu

yo rudro

> vizvA bhuvanA viveza tasmai rudrAya namo astu | tamuSTuhi yaH sviSuH

> sudhanvA yo vizvasya kSayati bheSajasya | yakSvAmahe saumanasAya

rudram

> namobhirdevamasuraM duvasya | ayaM me hasto bhagavAnayaM me

bhagavattaraH |

> ayaM me vizvabheSajoya& zivAbhimarzanaH | Ye te sahasramayutaM pAzA

mRtyo

> martyAya hantave | tAnyajnasyamAyayA sarvAnava yajAmahe | mRtyave

svAhA

> mRtyave svAha | Om namo bhagavate rudrAya viSNave mRtyurme pAhi |

prANAnAM

> granthirasi rudro mA vizAntakaH | tenAnnenApyAyasva | Namo rudrAya

viSNave

> mRtyurme pAhi |

>

> TS 4.7.11 is followed by:

>

> iDA devahUrmanuryajnanIrbRhaspati rukthAmadAni za&siSadvizvedevaH

sUktavAcaH

> pRthivi mAtarmA mA hi&sIrmadhu maniSye madhu janiSye madhu vakSyAmi

madhu

> vadiSyAmi madhmatIm devebhyovAcamudyAsa& zuzrUSeNyAM

manuSyebhyastaM mA devA

> avantu zobhAyai pitaronumadantu |

>

> Does anyone know if there are any references in the religious

literature

> about these interpolated verses and why they were included into the

Rudram

> litany? Do we know when these were included? Do these

interpolationed

> verses appear as complete verses anywhere else?

>

> Many thanks,

>

>

>

> Harry Spier

> 371 Brickman Rd.

> Hurleyville, New York

> USA 12747

> dear sir,

>the rudree or maharudree is normally chansted in shiva temple

onle,as it is mainly contributed to shiva.

th shukla yajurveda(madhyandin samhita,kANva samhita etc also having

this chapter.but there are some mantras of T.S are not available in

shukla Yv.actualy there are two main branches of vedas.one followed

by vaishampayanin cludes T.S ,M.S etc.also called the blck Y.V.other

branch followed the collection of yajyavalkya and his followers,also

called the white Y.V.As the blck vedas having mantras of veda and

brahman literature combined,where as in white brach,such mixing is

not allowed.the mantra:

namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya

tripurAntakAya

> trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya

sarvezvarAya

> sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |

>is not from any single veda,but a collection from

puranas,tantras,and vedas etc.

other mantras asked by you are available in other chapters of Y.V.

they are not in chapter 16th,18th[namakah,chamaka]

spsharma

spsharma

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> dear sir,

>the rudree or maharudree is normally chansted in shiva temple

only,as it is mainly contributed to shiva.

the shukla yajurveda(madhyandin samhita,kANva samhita etc also having

this chapter.but there are some mantras of T.S are not available in

shukla Yv.actualy there are two main branches of vedas.one followed

by sage vaishampayanin and his disciples it includes TatterIya

samhitA,MaitrAyanI SamhitA etc.also called the balck Yajurveda.other

branch followed the collection of sage "yajyavalkya" and his

followers,also

called the white YajurVedah.The black Yajur veda branches having

mantras of veda and

brahman literature combined together,where as in white brach,such

mixing is

not allowed.the mantra:

namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya

tripurAntakAya

> trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya

sarvezvarAya

> sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |

>is not from any single veda,but a collection from

puranas,tantras,and vedas etc.

other mantras asked by you are available in other chapters of white

Yajurveda.

2nd chapter.They are not in chapter 16th,18th[namakah,chamaka]

spsharma

 

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INDOLOGY, "sharmasp51" <sharmasp51> wrote:

> INDOLOGY, "Harry Spier" <harryspier@H...> wrote:

> > Dear list members,

> >

> > I was unable to get answers to these questions about the Rudram

on

> the old

> > Indology list so I thought I'd try once more on the new list.

> >

> > 1) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany

I've

> come

> > across are the version from the Taittiriya Samhita. Is the

Rudram

> chanted

> > today in Saivite temples (or anywhere else) in the versions from

> the other

> > Yajur veda samhitas?

> >

> > 2) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany

I've

> come

> > across are Taittiriya Samhita chapters 4.5 and 4.7 but always

> include the

> > following interpolated verses.

> >

> > In the Rudram chant TS 4.5.1 is always followed by the following

> line (which

> > is not from the vedic corpus as far as I can see):

> >

> > namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya

> tripurAntakAya

> > trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya

> sarvezvarAya

> > sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |

> >

> > TS 4.5.11 is always followed by the following verse which

consists

> of lines

> > from various different parts of the vedic texts including the Rg

> veda):

> > tryAmbakaM yajAmahe sugandhim puSTivardhanaM | urvArukamiva

> > bandhanAnmRtyormukSIya mAmRtAt | Yo rudro agnau yo apsu ya

oSadhISu

> yo rudro

> > vizvA bhuvanA viveza tasmai rudrAya namo astu | tamuSTuhi yaH

sviSuH

> > sudhanvA yo vizvasya kSayati bheSajasya | yakSvAmahe saumanasAya

> rudram

> > namobhirdevamasuraM duvasya | ayaM me hasto bhagavAnayaM me

> bhagavattaraH |

> > ayaM me vizvabheSajoya& zivAbhimarzanaH | Ye te sahasramayutaM

pAzA

> mRtyo

> > martyAya hantave | tAnyajnasyamAyayA sarvAnava yajAmahe | mRtyave

> svAhA

> > mRtyave svAha | Om namo bhagavate rudrAya viSNave mRtyurme pAhi |

> prANAnAM

> > granthirasi rudro mA vizAntakaH | tenAnnenApyAyasva | Namo

rudrAya

> viSNave

> > mRtyurme pAhi |

> >

> > TS 4.7.11 is followed by:

> >

> > iDA devahUrmanuryajnanIrbRhaspati rukthAmadAni za&siSadvizvedevaH

> sUktavAcaH

> > pRthivi mAtarmA mA hi&sIrmadhu maniSye madhu janiSye madhu

vakSyAmi

> madhu

> > vadiSyAmi madhmatIm devebhyovAcamudyAsa& zuzrUSeNyAM

> manuSyebhyastaM mA devA

> > avantu zobhAyai pitaronumadantu |

> >

> > Does anyone know if there are any references in the religious

> literature

> > about these interpolated verses and why they were included into

the

> Rudram

> > litany? Do we know when these were included? Do these

> interpolationed

> > verses appear as complete verses anywhere else?

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> > Harry Spier

> > 371 Brickman Rd.

> > Hurleyville, New York

> > USA 12747

> > dear sir,

> >the rudree or maharudree is normally chansted in shiva temple

> onle,as it is mainly contributed to shiva.

> th shukla yajurveda(madhyandin samhita,kANva samhita etc also

having

> this chapter.but there are some mantras of T.S are not available in

> shukla Yv.actualy there are two main branches of vedas.one followed

> by vaishampayanin cludes T.S ,M.S etc.also called the blck

Y.V.other

> branch followed the collection of yajyavalkya and his

followers,also

> called the white Y.V.As the blck vedas having mantras of veda and

> brahman literature combined,where as in white brach,such mixing is

> not allowed.the mantra:

> namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya

> tripurAntakAya

> > trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya

> sarvezvarAya

> > sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |

> >is not from any single veda,but a collection from

> puranas,tantras,and vedas etc.

> other mantras asked by you are available in other chapters of Y.V.

> they are not in chapter 16th,18th[namakah,chamaka]

> spsharma

> spsharma

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Since a no. of rs have answered the first part of your question. Here is the answer to the second part - The verses that you see that are from other parts of vedic text are chanted because they are considered "Phala-sruti" for the Rudram. The same thing is done for Srisuktam as well (the phala-sruti for sri-suktam is longer than the sukta itself).

 

Also, the verse Namastestu Bhagavan Vishveshvaraya.. is only chanted during Rudra Abhisheka not during Rudra homa or any other Rudra rituals. It has a ritualistic significance in Abhisheka (you need to see this done in person to find out what it is).

 

 

Dear list members,

 

I was unable to get answers to these questions about the Rudram on the old

Indology list so I thought I'd try once more on the new list.

 

1) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've come

across are the version from the Taittiriya Samhita. Is the Rudram chanted

today in Saivite temples (or anywhere else) in the versions from the other

Yajur veda samhitas?

 

2) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've come

across are Taittiriya Samhita chapters 4.5 and 4.7 but always include the

following interpolated verses.

 

In the Rudram chant TS 4.5.1 is always followed by the following line (which

is not from the vedic corpus as far as I can see):

 

namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya tripurAntakAya

trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya sarvezvarAya

sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |

 

TS 4.5.11 is always followed by the following verse which consists of lines

from various different parts of the vedic texts including the Rg veda):

tryAmbakaM yajAmahe sugandhim puSTivardhanaM | urvArukamiva

bandhanAnmRtyormukSIya mAmRtAt | Yo rudro agnau yo apsu ya oSadhISu yo rudro

vizvA bhuvanA viveza tasmai rudrAya namo astu | tamuSTuhi yaH sviSuH

sudhanvA yo vizvasya kSayati bheSajasya | yakSvAmahe saumanasAya rudram

namobhirdevamasuraM duvasya | ayaM me hasto bhagavAnayaM me bhagavattaraH |

ayaM me vizvabheSajoya& zivAbhimarzanaH | Ye te sahasramayutaM pAzA mRtyo

martyAya hantave | tAnyajnasyamAyayA sarvAnava yajAmahe | mRtyave svAhA

mRtyave svAha | Om namo bhagavate rudrAya viSNave mRtyurme pAhi | prANAnAM

granthirasi rudro mA vizAntakaH | tenAnnenApyAyasva | Namo rudrAya viSNave

mRtyurme pAhi |

 

TS 4.7.11 is followed by:

 

iDA devahUrmanuryajnanIrbRhaspati rukthAmadAni za&siSadvizvedevaH sUktavAcaH

pRthivi mAtarmA mA hi&sIrmadhu maniSye madhu janiSye madhu vakSyAmi madhu

vadiSyAmi madhmatIm devebhyovAcamudyAsa& zuzrUSeNyAM manuSyebhyastaM mA devA

avantu zobhAyai pitaronumadantu |

 

Does anyone know if there are any references in the religious literature

about these interpolated verses and why they were included into the Rudram

litany? Do we know when these were included? Do these interpolationed

verses appear as complete verses anywhere else?

 

Many thanks,

 

 

 

Harry Spier

371 Brickman Rd.

Hurleyville, New York

USA 12747

 

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