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Parathvam of Sriman Narayana Vs. Krishna

 

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Srimathe Vedhantha Desikaya Namaha

Srimath VaraVara Munaye Namaha

 

Respected Sri Vaishnava Baghavathas

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Sampath Kumar. This is my first question in this

scholarly forum.

 

In our SriVaishnava Sidhantham it is established that Sriman Narayanan

residing in Vaikunta Lokam is parathvam and Krishna is avatharam

(Vibhavam) of Sriman Narayanan and Krishna is an expansion of Sriman

Narayanan. However, there are other schools of Vaishnavism (especially

Gaudia Vaishnavism) which staunchly advocate that Krishna is the

parathvam and Narayanan is a subform of Krishna. Even though both

these schools accept Sriman Narayanan and Krishna, why this

fundamental difference arise and which is correct?

 

Kindly accept adiyen's appologies if my question is inappropriate.

 

Adiyen

 

Ramanuja Dasan

 

Sampath Kumar...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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To add to this question, Madhwas have a different philosophy. If both

(Ramanujacarya & Madhwacharya) are inspired by the same lord, why is there

difference in their philosophy ? Even Vishnu Swami and Vallabhacharya differ

from each other & with other Vaishnava Acharyas.

 

 

Janaki & Sampath Kumar <janasampath wrote:

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Srimathe Vedhantha Desikaya Namaha

Srimath VaraVara Munaye Namaha

 

Respected Sri Vaishnava Baghavathas

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Sampath Kumar. This is my first question in this

scholarly forum.

 

In our SriVaishnava Sidhantham it is established that Sriman Narayanan

residing in Vaikunta Lokam is parathvam and Krishna is avatharam

(Vibhavam) of Sriman Narayanan and Krishna is an expansion of Sriman

Narayanan. However, there are other schools of Vaishnavism (especially

Gaudia Vaishnavism) which staunchly advocate that Krishna is the

parathvam and Narayanan is a subform of Krishna. Even though both

these schools accept Sriman Narayanan and Krishna, why this

fundamental difference arise and which is correct?

 

Kindly accept adiyen's appologies if my question is inappropriate.

 

Adiyen

 

Ramanuja Dasan

 

Sampath Kumar...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Adiyen Request bhagawatas who are close to acharyas back home and get

answers to this important question and this needs to be answered

"professionally". I had requested Sri Anbil Mama to do something about

this. He is busy currently. I am sure sri Anand Karalapakkam had done

some research on this. I am sure Sri M.S Srihari and others who are in

India can offer assistance here. If anyone can contact them, they will

be able to write a thorough reply. I feel that this is a "delicate

issue" since we are handling a difference among vaishnavas. This should

not try to destroy our unity as vaishnvas as a whole community. We

should respect all vaishnavas or else we will go against our sincere

principles: tvad britya britya paricharaka britya.... ( being a servant

of HIS servants is an important characteristic of a vaishnava). I urge

you not to indulge in criticizing other schools or disrespect other

vaishnavas. We don't need more sin.

 

However our srivaishnavas have to understand the subtleties clearly.

Neither these minor issues should not be taken as reasons for leaving

camps NOR should be used for recruiting weak minded people into a any

particular sect.

 

In short,

 

Srimannarayana and Srikrishna are the one and the same identical person

as per the shastras. Note that Sri Vedantadesika has done research as to

which mantram is most encompassing and decided that "moolamantram, which

speaks of Narayana" as ultimate all encompassing mantram even in

comparison with mantrams that involve "vasudeva or Vishnu etc."

..

The proofs offered by other schools regarding differences between

goloka, vaikunta etc. are only attempts to highlight their eka bhakti to

lord Krishna. Even among our own alwars, they have shown immense bhakti

to a particular form such as Sri Ranganatha or Sri Venkatesa etc. The

pramanas cited by others from bramha vaivarta purana, radhopanisad, etc.

only help to exemplify pure Bhakti as the highest goal. Even

srivaishnava doctrines agree that in vaikuntam one experiences this

nitya bhakti or eternal bhakti. It is ridiculous to imagine that

madhurya bhakti cannot be explained in vaikuntam. Sri Nammalwars' dozens

of verses on madhurya bhakti and how he does prapatti to Sri Srinivasar

and attains vaikuntam are sufficient to erase this misconception. If one

wants to experience Lord as Krishna or prema bhakti, that can be granted

in Vaikunta also. The shastras are clear regarding the superiority of

vaikuntam as place of apunaravritti or place from where there is no

return. Goloka can be thought of a place within vaikunta, since there

are rigvedic passages such as "yatra gavo bhuri shringah ayasah -

(please check this quote since I am trying to write from memory) -

meaning: in vaikuntam, there are cows with big horns. Note: some

schools have misunderstood vaikunta from where jayavijaya fell due to

curse. There can be no curse or anger in vaikuntam. No such thoughts can

bother those who have reached vaikuntam other than being immersed in the

complete experience of srimannarayana (paripurna bramha ananda

anubhavam). Hence the vaikunta mentioned in the puranas is a lower place

within prakrithi mandalam (or matter) called karya vaikuntam, where

jayavijaya were door keepers. The shores of this ksheerabdhi is where

devas go and fall at the feet of the Lord to get protection from asuras.

Hence the statements from Bramha Samhita, bramha vaivarta purana quoted

only by the gaudiya vaishnavas, which may indicate goloka as different

or higher than vaikunta have to be understood only in the sense that the

madhurya bhakti is of a state of bhakti for a soul. If they want to use

these statements to enhance their bhakti to sri krishna, let them do it.

We should understand this properly. These statements in puranas have

nothing to do with belittling the status of vaikunta to another place

called goloka / brindavana. These kind of polemic battles exist only to

keep people within their systems but do not have any other significance.

Note puranic or smriti evidence should not be taken as primary. Note the

verse from taittiriya mahanarayana Upanishad - which starts from ambasya

pare bhuvanasya madhye...has a state ment: na tasyese kaschana tasya

nama mahadyasah...meaning: HE ( srimannarayana) does not have anyone as

his ruler! Hence he is known as Mahad Yasah. Don't tell me some puranic

statement will nullify this vedic statement to make Srimannarayana as

being born out of Krishna and Krishna is the ruler of Srimannarayana

who resides in each anda as the caretaker of that anda and there are

several vaikunta planets etc.....All these are wonderful smrti texts are

to guide people to have faith in SriKrishna. Srivaishnava view is that

Sri Krishna and Srimannararayana is one and the same: esa narayanah

sriman ksirarnava niketanah naga paryakam utrsrijya hyagato madhuram

purim. "This Sri Krishna is none other than Srimannarayana who has left

his snake bed ( adisesa) to come to the city of Mathura ". Sri Vedanta

Desika states in yadavabhudayam:

 

Devaki danuja sthuna divyam dhama vrajankanam

Rama Radhadayascheti Rasi bhedena Bhidyase

 

Meaning: O lord Krishna, you are the one and same person being different

only due to being in two camps: Up there in Divya dhama : vaikunta or

here in Vraja ( brindavan), whether in the womb of Devaki or in the

pillar from where SriNarasimha appeared, whether it is with Rama (or Sri

Lakshmi there in Vaikuntam) or with Radha here in Vraja.

 

I don't have enough knowledge to write all details. There may be errors

in this small article too. I pray to knowledgeable people to correct

this article or clarify the issues presented.

 

Adiyen

Krishna Kashyap

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of Janaki & Sampath Kumar

Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:50 AM

 

Parathvam of Sriman Narayana Vs. Krishna

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Srimathe Vedhantha Desikaya Namaha

Srimath VaraVara Munaye Namaha

 

Respected Sri Vaishnava Baghavathas

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Sampath Kumar. This is my first question in this

scholarly forum.

 

In our SriVaishnava Sidhantham it is established that Sriman Narayanan

residing in Vaikunta Lokam is parathvam and Krishna is avatharam

(Vibhavam) of Sriman Narayanan and Krishna is an expansion of Sriman

Narayanan. However, there are other schools of Vaishnavism (especially

Gaudia Vaishnavism) which staunchly advocate that Krishna is the

parathvam and Narayanan is a subform of Krishna. Even though both

these schools accept Sriman Narayanan and Krishna, why this

fundamental difference arise and which is correct?

 

Kindly accept adiyen's appologies if my question is inappropriate.

 

Adiyen

 

Ramanuja Dasan

 

Sampath Kumar...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Bhagavatas:

As rightly pointed out by sshankar,

any further discussions on the subject may be

had in private mails.

Moderator.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Srimathe Vedantha Desikaya Namaha

Srimath VaraVara Munaye Namaha

 

Dear Sri. Krishna Kashyap

 

Adiyen salute you for your wonderful explanation to

the question adiyen have raised. Also, at the outset,

adiyen would like to clearly state that it is not in

anyway my intention to trigger a discussion tilting on

the side of critizing other vishnava systems.

 

As you have aptly pointed out the pramanas namely

Vedas and Upanishads should be the ultimate concluding

statements and not merely puranas or smritis.

 

It is needless to say that all SriVaishnavas in this

esteemed forum will be delighted, if our scholars

provide a detailed reply to this issue. As you have

rightly mentioned, understanding these subtle delicate

issues clearly makes one stronger in their system

and also build our tolerance of other systems.

However, in my humble opinion this is not a minor

issue.

 

Adiyen

 

Ramanuja Dasan

Sampath Kumar..

 

 

--- Krishna Kashyap <krishna wrote:

 

> Adiyen Request bhagawatas who are close to acharyas

> back home and get

> answers to this important question and this needs to

> be answered

> "professionally". I had requested Sri Anbil Mama to

> do something about

> this. He is busy currently. I am sure sri Anand

> Karalapakkam had done

> some research on this. I am sure Sri M.S Srihari and

> others who are in

> India can offer assistance here. If anyone can

> cotact them, they will

> be able to write a thorough reply. I feel that this

> is a "delicate

> issue" since we are handling a difference among

> vaishnavas. This should

> not try to destroy our unity as vaishnvas as a whole

> community. We

> should respect all vaishnavas or else we will go

> against our sincere

> principles: tvad britya britya paricharaka

> britya.... ( being a servant

> of HIS servants is an important characteristic of a

> vaishnava). I urge

> you not to indulge in criticizing other schools or

> disrespect other

> vaishnavas. We don't need more sin.

>

> However our srivaishnavas have to understand the

> subtleties clearly.

> Neither these minor issues should not be taken as

> reasons for leaving

> camps NOR should be used for recruiting weak minded

> people into a any

> particular sect.

>

> In short,

>

> Srimannarayana and Srikrishna are the one and the

> same identical person

> as per the shastras. Note that Sri Vedantadesika has

> done research as to

> which mantram is most encompassing and decided that

> "moolamantram, which

> speaks of Narayana" as ultimate all encompassing

> mantram even in

> comparison with mantrams that involve "vasudeva or

> Vishnu etc."

> .

> The proofs offered by other schools regarding

> differences between

> goloka, vaikunta etc. are only attempts to highlight

> their eka bhakti to

> lord Krishna. Even among our own alwars, they have

> shown immense bhakti

> to a particular form such as Sri Ranganatha or Sri

> Venkatesa etc. The

> pramanas cited by others from bramha vaivarta

> purana, radhopanisad, etc.

> only help to exemplify pure Bhakti as the highest

> goal. Even

> srivaishnava doctrines agree that in vaikuntam one

> experiences this

> nitya bhakti or eternal bhakti. It is ridiculous to

> imagine that

> madhurya bhakti cannot be explained in vaikuntam.

> Sri Nammalwars' dozens

> of verses on madhurya bhakti and how he does

> prapatti to Sri Srinivasar

> and attains vaikuntam are sufficient to erase this

> misconception. If one

> wants to experience Lord as Krishna or prema bhakti,

> that can be granted

> in Vaikunta also. The shastras are clear regarding

> the superiority of

> vaikuntam as place of apunaravritti or place from

> where there is no

> return. Goloka can be thought of a place within

> vaikunta, since there

> are rigvedic passages such as "yatra gavo bhuri

> shringah ayasah -

> (please check this quote since I am trying to write

> from memory) -

> meaning: in vaikuntam, there are cows with big

> horns. Note: some

> schools have misunderstood vaikunta from where

> jayavijaya fell due to

> curse. There can be no curse or anger in vaikuntam.

> No such thoughts can

> bother those who have reached vaikuntam other than

> being immersed in the

> complete experience of srimannarayana (paripurna

> bramha ananda

> anubhavam). Hence the vaikunta mentioned in the

> puranas is a lower place

> within prakrithi mandalam (or matter) called karya

> vaikuntam, where

> jayavijaya were door keepers. The shores of this

> ksheerabdhi is where

> devas go and fall at the feet of the Lord to get

> protection from asuras.

> Hence the statements from Bramha Samhita, bramha

> vaivarta purana quoted

> only by the gaudiya vaishnavas, which may indicate

> goloka as different

> or higher than vaikunta have to be understood only

> in the sense that the

> madhurya bhakti is of a state of bhakti for a soul.

> If they want to use

> these statements to enhance their bhakti to sri

> krishna, let them do it.

> We should understand this properly. These statements

> in puranas have

> nothing to do with belittling the status of vaikunta

> to another place

> called goloka / brindavana. These kind of polemic

> battles exist only to

> keep people within their systems but do not have any

> other significance.

> Note puranic or smriti evidence should not be taken

> as primary. Note the

> verse from taittiriya mahanarayana Upanishad - which

> starts from ambasya

> pare bhuvanasya madhye...has a state ment: na

> tasyese kaschana tasya

> nama mahadyasah...meaning: HE ( srimannarayana) does

> not have anyone as

> his ruler! Hence he is known as Mahad Yasah. Don't

> tell me some puranic

> statement will nullify this vedic statement to make

> Srimannarayana as

> being born out of Krishna and Krishna is the ruler

> of Srimannarayana

> who resides in each anda as the caretaker of that

> anda and there are

> several vaikunta planets etc.....All these are

> wonderful smrti texts are

> to guide people to have faith in SriKrishna.

> Srivaishnava view is that

> Sri Krishna and Srimannararayana is one and the

> same: esa narayanah

> sriman ksirarnava niketanah naga paryakam utrsrijya

> hyagato madhuram

> purim. "This Sri Krishna is none other than

> Srimannarayana who has left

> his snake bed ( adisesa) to come to the city of

> Mathura ". Sri Vedanta

> Desika states in yadavabhudayam:

>

> Devaki danuja sthuna divyam dhama vrajankanam

> Rama Radhadayascheti Rasi bhedena Bhidyase

>

> Meaning: O lord Krishna, you are the one and same

> person being different

> only due to being in two camps: Up there in Divya

> dhama : vaikunta or

> here in Vraja ( brindavan), whether in the womb of

> Devaki or in the

> pillar from where SriNarasimha appeared, whether it

> is with Rama (or Sri

> Lakshmi there in Vaikuntam) or with Radha here in

> Vraja.

>

> I don't have enough knowledge to write all details.

> There may be errors

> in this small article too. I pray to knowledgeable

> people to correct

> this article or clarify the issues presented.

>

> Adiyen

> Krishna Kashyap

>

>

>

>

> []

> On Behalf Of Janaki & Sampath Kumar

> Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:50 AM

>

> Parathvam of Sriman Narayana

> Vs. Krishna

>

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

> Srimathe Vedhantha Desikaya Namaha

> Srimath VaraVara Munaye Namaha

>

> Respected Sri Vaishnava Baghavathas

>

> Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Sampath Kumar. This is my

> first question in this

> scholarly forum.

>

> In our SriVaishnava Sidhantham it is established

> that Sriman Narayanan

> residing in Vaikunta Lokam is parathvam and Krishna

> is avatharam

> (Vibhavam) of Sriman Narayanan and Krishna is an

> expansion of Sriman

> Narayanan. However, there are other schools of

> Vaishnavism (especially

> Gaudia Vaishnavism) which staunchly advocate that

> Krishna

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Dear Bhagavatas:

I would like to clarify our stand.

 

When a member posts a query relevant to SrivaishNava Sampradayam, it is approved

for the first time for information of others and provide food for thought for

scholars in the group. They might be ponder over and give an authoritative reply

based on PramaaNams from Satvika scriptures - to the questioner. This is NOT for

triggering a debate or discussion, which more often than not, takes an ugly

turn.

 

We wish to reiterate that "Sri Ranga Sri" is primarily a Journal and NOT a

discussion forum. Unfortunately, it has been our experience that often times,

some members while professing to reply, project their opinions and speculations

without authentic PramaaNams that not only scares away the genuine questioner

but also go contrary to the mission statement of the Journal.

 

That is why, in the interest of maintaining the quality of the Journal, we

encourage further disussions in private and close the topic in "Sri Ranga Sri"

Journal. That is why also, we have opened a new site

"SRS_Satangam" where these discussions can be freely

accommodated subject, of course, to the norms of decency and mutual respect.

 

Hope this helps.

Moderator

=====================================================================

 

 

Dear Sukanya Shankar

 

Thank you for responding to my question. However, it

is unclear to me as to why the responses should be

discussed as private emails? The very purpose of

having a group like this is to share the knowledge of

elders and scholars in a common forum. Moreover, the

question which I raised is of fundamental significance

and explanations in a disciplined and scholarly

manner from different schools will be a great boon to

our individual understanding and mutal appreciation.

Is that something we are scared of to switch to

private conversations? Many subjects asked in these

forums are always not in everyone's favorite list and

I am not sure if we can start applying the 'private

email' criteria to everything.

 

However, as one who is ready to face any amount of

impediments in my quest to serve all vaishnavas, I

remain.

 

Adiyen

 

Ramanuja Dasan

Sampath Kumar...

 

 

 

--- Sampth Kumar Padmanaban <janasampath

wrote:

 

> Dear Bhagavatas:

> As rightly pointed out by sshankar,

> any further discussions on the subject may be

> had in private mails.

> Moderator.

>

================================================================

>

>

>

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

> Srimathe Vedantha Desikaya Namaha

> Srimath VaraVara Munaye Namaha

>

> Dear Sri. Krishna Kashyap

>

> Adiyen salute you for your wonderful explanation to

> the question adiyen have raised. Also, at the

> outset,

> adiyen would like to clearly state that it is not in

> anyway my intention to trigger a discussion tilting

> on

> the side of critizing other vishnava systems.

>

> As you have aptly pointed out the pramanas namely

> Vedas and Upanishads should be the ultimate

> concluding

> statements and not merely puranas or smritis.

>

> It is needless to say that all SriVaishnavas in this

> esteemed forum will be delighted, if our scholars

> provide a detailed reply to this issue. As you have

> rightly mentioned, understanding these subtle

> delicate

> issues clearly makes one stronger in their system

> and also build our tolerance of other systems.

> However, in my humble opinion this is not a minor

> issue.

>

> Adiyen

>

> Ramanuja Dasan

> Sampath Kumar..

>

>

> --- Krishna Kashyap <krishna wrote:

>

> > Adiyen Request bhagawatas who are close to

> acharyas

> > back home and get

> > answers to this important question and this needs

> to

> > be answered

> > "professionally". I had requested Sri Anbil Mama

> to

> > do something about

> > this. He is busy currently. I am sure sri Anand

> > Karalapakkam had done

> > some research on this. I am sure Sri M.S Srihari

> and

> > others who are in

> > India can offer assistance here. If anyone can

> > cotact them, they will

> > be able to write a thorough reply. I feel that

> this

> > is a "delicate

> > issue" since we are handling a difference among

> > vaishnavas. This should

> > not try to destroy our unity as vaishnvas as a

> whole

> > community. We

> > should respect all vaishnavas or else we will go

> > against our sincere

> > principles: tvad britya britya paricharaka

> > britya.... ( being a servant

> > of HIS servants is an important characteristic of

> a

> > vaishnava). I urge

> > you not to indulge in criticizing other schools or

> > disrespect other

> > vaishnavas. We don't need more sin.

> >

> > However our srivaishnavas have to understand the

> > subtleties clearly.

> > Neither these minor issues should not be taken as

> > reasons for leaving

> > camps NOR should be used for recruiting weak

> minded

> > people into a any

> > particular sect.

> >

> > In short,

> >

> > Srimannarayana and Srikrishna are the one and the

> > same identical person

> > as per the shastras. Note that Sri Vedantadesika

> has

> > done research as to

> > which mantram is most encompassing and decided

> that

> > "moolamantram, which

> > speaks of Narayana" as ultimate all encompassing

> > mantram even in

> > comparison with mantrams that involve "vasudeva or

> > Vishnu etc."

> > .

> > The proofs offered by other schools regarding

> > differences between

> > goloka, vaikunta etc. are only attempts to

> highlight

> > their eka bhakti to

> > lord Krishna. Even among our own alwars, they have

> > shown immense bhakti

> > to a particular form such as Sri Ranganatha or Sri

> > Venkatesa etc. The

> > pramanas cited by others from bramha vaivarta

> > purana, radhopanisad, etc.

> > only help to exemplify pure Bhakti as the highest

> > goal. Even

> > srivaishnava doctrines agree that in vaikuntam one

> > experiences this

> > nitya bhakti or eternal bhakti. It is ridiculous

> to

> > imagine that

> > madhurya bhakti cannot be explained in vaikuntam.

> > Sri Nammalwars' dozens

> > of verses on madhurya bhakti and how he does

> > prapatti to Sri Srinivasar

> > and attains vaikuntam are sufficient to erase this

> > misconception. If one

> > wants to experience Lord as Krishna or prema

> bhakti,

> > that can be granted

> > in Vaikunta also. The shastras are clear

> regarding

> > the superiority of

> > vaikuntam as place of apunaravritti or place from

> > where there is no

> > return. Goloka can be thought of a place within

> > vaikunta, since there

> > are rigvedic passages such as "yatra gavo bhuri

> > shringah ayasah -

> > (please check this quote since I am trying to

> write

> > from memory) -

> > meaning: in vaikuntam, there are cows with big

> > horns. Note: some

> > schools have misunderstood vaikunta from where

> > jayavijaya fell due to

> > curse. There can be no curse or anger in

> vaikuntam.

> > No such thoughts can

> > bother those who have reached vaikuntam other than

> > being immersed in the

> > complete experience of srimannarayana (paripurna

> > bramha ananda

> > anubhavam). Hence the vaikunta mentioned in the

> > puranas is a lower place

> > within prakrithi mandalam (or matter) called karya

> > vaikuntam, where

> > jayavijaya were door keepers. The shores of this

> > ksheerabdhi is where

> > devas go and fall at the feet of the Lord to get

> > protection from asuras.

> > Hence the statements from Bramha Samhita, bramha

> > vaivarta purana quoted

> > only by the gaudiya vaishnavas, which may indicate

> > goloka as different

> > or higher than vaikunta have to be understood only

> > in the sense that the

> > madhurya bhakti is of a state of bhakti for a

> soul.

> > If they want to use

> > these statements to enhance their bhakti to sri

> > krishna, let them do it.

> > We should understand this properly. These

> statements

> > in puranas have

> > nothing to do with belittling the status of

> vaikunta

> > to another place

> > called goloka / brindavana. These kind of polemic

> > battles exist only to

> > keep people within their systems but do not have

> any

> > other significance.

> > Note puranic or smriti evidence should not be

> taken

> > as primary. Note the

> > verse from taittiriya mahanarayana Upanishad -

> which

> > starts from ambasya

> > pare bhuvanasya madhye...has a state ment: na

> > tasyese kaschana tasya

> > nama mahadyasah...meaning: HE ( srimannarayana)

> does

> > not have anyone as

> > his ruler! Hence he is known as Mahad Yasah. Don't

> > tell me some puranic

> > statement will nullify this vedic statement to

> make

> > Srimannarayana as

>

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 SRIMATE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA

As per vedic scriptures Sriman Narayana is the paratvam. Sri Nammalvar says in

his TIRUVAIMOZHI that sriman Narayana HIMSELF came as Sri Krishna with HIS

power & glory intact.ANGU VAITU ENGU PIRANDA PIRAN.Hence unlike some of His

other avatarams ,Sri Krishnavataram is a poornavataram.

Srimad Bhagvatam says KRISHNASTU BHAGVAN SWAYAM.The goudiya people have

interpreted this sentence to mean that SriKrishna is not a avataram OF Sriman

Narayana.

Also Jayadeva sings in his GEETA GOVINDAM that Krishna took all the other

avatarams.

As far as we srivaishnavites are concerned, krishna is the greatest avatara of

SRIMAN NARAYANA where all His glories were explicit.

dasan

 

 

On Tue, 10 May 2005 Janaki & Sampath Kumar wrote :

>Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

>Srimathe Vedhantha Desikaya Namaha

>Srimath VaraVara Munaye Namaha

>

>Respected Sri Vaishnava Baghavathas

>

>Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Sampath Kumar. This is my first question in this

>scholarly forum.

>

>In our SriVaishnava Sidhantham it is established that Sriman Narayanan

>residing in Vaikunta Lokam is parathvam and Krishna is avatharam

>(Vibhavam) of Sriman Narayanan and Krishna is an expansion of Sriman

>Narayanan. However, there are other schools of Vaishnavism (especially

>Gaudia Vaishnavism) which staunchly advocate that Krishna is the

>parathvam and Narayanan is a subform of Krishna. Even though both

>these schools accept Sriman Narayanan and Krishna, why this

>fundamental difference arise and which is correct?

>

>Kindly accept adiyen's appologies if my question is inappropriate.

>

>Adiyen

>

>Ramanuja Dasan

>

>Sampath Kumar...

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