Guest guest Report post Posted April 23, 2005 SRIMATE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA As Swami Desika has said "Hanumat samena guruna",one should worship Hanuman as a Parama Bhagvata. dasan On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 Rajagopalan Ramanujachari wrote : > > >ESTEEMED BHAGHAVATHAS, >HOW WE GO ABOUT OFFERING WORSHIP TO HANUMAN? >1.AS A PARAMA BHAGHAVATHA >2.AS ANOTHER DEITY INVOKING HIS BLESSINGS FOR FULFILLMENT OF A DESIRE? >KINDLY ENLIGHTEN. > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2005 Prabho, on what basis did you make your statement, "at other places, like in Hanuman Chalisa itself, we see that Hanuman is considered to be the avatar of Shiva". There is no such statement anywhere in the scriptures, or even in the Hanuman Chalisa. Can you substantiate your claim? Tell me the verse from Hanuman Chalisa that states that Hanuman is an incarnation of Shiva. -Parag Vasudevan VK <vasuchak wrote: Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Shrimathey Ramanujaya Namaha Shrimathey Nigamantha Maha Deshikaya Namaha Respected Bhagavathas, It is indeed very interesting that Shrimad Azhagiya Shingar has made this observation. On the one hand, we have Swami Deshikan saying that we have to worship Hanuman as a Parama Bhagavata but at other places, like in Hanuman Chalisa itself, we see that Hanuman is considered to be the avatar of Shiva. We also see that Swami Deshikan has not composed any separate poem/stotra on Hanuman like he has done for Andal, Periya Thiruvadi or Sudarshanar. In the light of all this, in the Shrivaishnava tradition, it is clear that Hanuman should not be worshipped independently but only as a bhakta of Lord Rama or may be Lord Krishna. While going through one of my acharyan father's several hand-written notebooks, I remember to have seen a note made to the effect that the great scholar Shriman D.T.Tatachar was of the opinion that Hanuman should not be worshipped without the Dhivya Dhampathis Rama and Seetha. This is exactly what the varthamana Azhagiya Shingar has conveyed too. Therefore, my humble opinion is that while we can recite shlokas in praise of Hanuman from Shrimad Ramayanam, it may not be proper for us to recite shlokas like "buddhir balam..." Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Gopinath Varadharajan <vgopinath wrote: In on of HIS Tele-Upanyasam, Srimad Azahgiya Singar told that we should not pray Sri Anjaneya, if he is Installed Alone (like seperate Anjaneya Temple) He should be prayed only when he is seen along with Sri Sita Rama Ghosti. Pls. correct me if my understanding was wrong. Gopi - "Dr. V. NARASIMHAN" <shanaras "Vasan Sriranga Chari" <vasan_chari_hk; "Arvind Rangan" <arvind Cc: <> Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:02 PM Re: Re: ANJANEYA WORSHIP Dear Bhagavathas, You all may be delighted to visit the web-site www.panchamukha.org Kind regards, narasimha dasan / / Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2005 Dear Bhagavatas: I entirely agree with Sri MGV. We have opened a separate site: "SRS_Satsangam" exclusively for clearance of such doubts and discussions. You may direct your questions to this site and NOT to Srirangasri journal. While the membership to this site is open to all, the postings will be released after minimal editing to ensure the quality of moderation. So, anyone desiring to post has to enrol by sending an email to "SRS_Satsangam-" Moderator =================================================================== Dear srivaishnava perunthagaiyeer, This mail is written in more anguish than anything else. somehow or other the topic of 'anya dhevatha' worship comes into this forum at intervals very regularly. let it be a doubt on worship of garuda, sudharsana, anjaneya, navagraha, vinayaka, iyappa, or some other upavasam, kula deivam, nerthik kadan etc. finally it all ends up in this topic of 'anya dhevathaa' worship business only. do we have to discuss this so frequently? have we finished reading or learning all other things to discuss only 'this topic' so 'frequently'? why not the person who has such doubts write to the moderator, sri anbil swamy, who is a very senior and knowledgeable person or sri sadagopan swamy who will definitely clarify the doubts in personal mails. i also request new members to go through the archives in or bhakthi list or oppiliappan where almost many such questions on these plus daily routines such as sandhya vandhanam, gayathri etc have been discussed and answered very well with proper references from authoritative books. thanks and regards MGVasudevan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2005 SrI: Pl. see the website http://pavanchawla.tripod.com/ and http://www.chinmayamission.org/html/article/show.php3?cnum=19 for English Translation of Hanuman Chalisa, wherein it is clearly written that "Sankar Suvan, Kesari nandan....jag bandan" means "A re-incarnation of Lord Shankar and son of Kesari, Hanuman's glory and lustre are propitiated by the whole universe". adiyEn Srimad Azhagiya Singar Thiruvadi - Parag Desai Vasudevan VK ; Gopinath Varadharajan ; Vasan Sriranga Chari ; Arvind Rangan ; Dr. V. NARASIMHAN Cc: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:19 PM Re: Re: ANJANEYA WORSHIP Prabho, on what basis did you make your statement, "at other places, like in Hanuman Chalisa itself, we see that Hanuman is considered to be the avatar of Shiva". There is no such statement anywhere in the scriptures, or even in the Hanuman Chalisa. Can you substantiate your claim? Tell me the verse from Hanuman Chalisa that states that Hanuman is an incarnation of Shiva. -Parag Vasudevan VK <vasuchak wrote: Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Shrimathey Ramanujaya Namaha Shrimathey Nigamantha Maha Deshikaya Namaha Respected Bhagavathas, It is indeed very interesting that Shrimad Azhagiya Shingar has made this observation. On the one hand, we have Swami Deshikan saying that we have to worship Hanuman as a Parama Bhagavata but at other places, like in Hanuman Chalisa itself, we see that Hanuman is considered to be the avatar of Shiva. We also see that Swami Deshikan has not composed any separate poem/stotra on Hanuman like he has done for Andal, Periya Thiruvadi or Sudarshanar. In the light of all this, in the Shrivaishnava tradition, it is clear that Hanuman should not be worshipped independently but only as a bhakta of Lord Rama or may be Lord Krishna. While going through one of my acharyan father's several hand-written notebooks, I remember to have seen a note made to the effect that the great scholar Shriman D.T.Tatachar was of the opinion that Hanuman should not be worshipped without the Dhivya Dhampathis Rama and Seetha. This is exactly what the varthamana Azhagiya Shingar has conveyed too. Therefore, my humble opinion is that while we can recite shlokas in praise of Hanuman from Shrimad Ramayanam, it may not be proper for us to recite shlokas like "buddhir balam..." Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Gopinath Varadharajan <vgopinath wrote: In on of HIS Tele-Upanyasam, Srimad Azahgiya Singar told that we should not pray Sri Anjaneya, if he is Installed Alone (like seperate Anjaneya Temple) He should be prayed only when he is seen along with Sri Sita Rama Ghosti. Pls. correct me if my understanding was wrong. Gopi - "Dr. V. NARASIMHAN" <shanaras "Vasan Sriranga Chari" <vasan_chari_hk; "Arvind Rangan" <arvind Cc: <> Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:02 PM Re: Re: ANJANEYA WORSHIP Dear Bhagavathas, You all may be delighted to visit the web-site www.panchamukha.org Kind regards, narasimha dasan Links Links / Links / Links / b.. c.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2005 Dear Swamin(i)s, >> Hanuman should not be worshipped without the Dhivya Dhampathis Rama and Seetha.<< In Bangalore (II block, Jayanagar), there used to be a Hanuman carving on a monolith in the Garuthman park. The owner of that land (Sri Garudachar) invited Andavan swamy and offered him place to establish temple, ashramam etc. The First thing Sri Kannan swamigal (Thirukudandai Andavan) did was to install Sri Rama-Sita (Lakshmana?) sannidhi right in fromt of the Hanumar and then complete the temple. Later Andal-Rangamannar, Venkateshar were also added. It is popularly known as Andal Rangamannar temple. Hanuman worshipped alone is usually seen carrying sanjeevani parvatam and regarded as Veera Hanuman. That is the form usually popular among those who worship hanuman while pursuing martial arts. dAsan K.S. tAtAchAr Vasudevan VK <vasuchak Gopinath Varadharajan <vgopinath; Vasan Sriranga Chari <vasan_chari_hk; Arvind Rangan <arvind; Dr. V. NARASIMHAN <shanaras Cc: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Re: Re: ANJANEYA WORSHIP Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Shrimathey Ramanujaya Namaha Shrimathey Nigamantha Maha Deshikaya Namaha Respected Bhagavathas, It is indeed very interesting that Shrimad Azhagiya Shingar has made this observation. On the one hand, we have Swami Deshikan saying that we have to worship Hanuman as a Parama Bhagavata but at other places, like in Hanuman Chalisa itself, we see that Hanuman is considered to be the avatar of Shiva. We also see that Swami Deshikan has not composed any separate poem/stotra on Hanuman like he has done for Andal, Periya Thiruvadi or Sudarshanar. In the light of all this, in the Shrivaishnava tradition, it is clear that Hanuman should not be worshipped independently but only as a bhakta of Lord Rama or may be Lord Krishna. While going through one of my acharyan father's several hand-written notebooks, I remember to have seen a note made to the effect that the great scholar Shriman D.T.Tatachar was of the opinion that Hanuman should not be worshipped without the Dhivya Dhampathis Rama and Seetha. This is exactly what the varthamana Azhagiya Shingar has conveyed too. Therefore, my humble opinion is that while we can recite shlokas in praise of Hanuman from Shrimad Ramayanam, it may not be proper for us to recite shlokas like "buddhir balam..." Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Gopinath Varadharajan <vgopinath wrote: In on of HIS Tele-Upanyasam, Srimad Azahgiya Singar told that we should not pray Sri Anjaneya, if he is Installed Alone (like seperate Anjaneya Temple) He should be prayed only when he is seen along with Sri Sita Rama Ghosti. Pls. correct me if my understanding was wrong. Gopi - "Dr. V. NARASIMHAN" <shanaras "Vasan Sriranga Chari" <vasan_chari_hk; "Arvind Rangan" <arvind Cc: <> Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:02 PM Re: Re: ANJANEYA WORSHIP Dear Bhagavathas, You all may be delighted to visit the web-site www.panchamukha.org Kind regards, narasimha dasan / Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2005 Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Shrimathey Ramanujaya Namaha Shrimathey Nigamantha Maha Deshikaya Namaha I would like to thank Shriman Muralidharan for having done the translation on my behalf. This only goes to show how much devoted and quick others are in their bhakti towards Lord Rama /Shri Seetha and also their Acharyas when compared to me. Esteemed Bhagavatas may also note that even in the staunchest of Veera Shaiva temples, an idol of Hanuman will be present failing which his form would atleast be engraved/sculpted in one of the pillars. This also clearly shows the association of Hanuman's origin to Shiva. We will not be able to find any association to Shri Vaishnavism in these temples other than such Hanuman idols/sculptures. Even the Chennai Kapaleeshwarar temple is evidence to this. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan JMuralidharan <Jayem_Comcol wrote: SrI: Pl. see the website http://pavanchawla.tripod.com/ and http://www.chinmayamission.org/html/article/show.php3?cnum=19 for English Translation of Hanuman Chalisa, wherein it is clearly written that "Sankar Suvan, Kesari nandan....jag bandan" means "A re-incarnation of Lord Shankar and son of Kesari, Hanuman's glory and lustre are propitiated by the whole universe". adiyEn Srimad Azhagiya Singar Thiruvadi - Parag Desai Vasudevan VK ; Gopinath Varadharajan ; Vasan Sriranga Chari ; Arvind Rangan ; Dr. V. NARASIMHAN Cc: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:19 PM Re: Re: ANJANEYA WORSHIP Prabho, on what basis did you make your statement, "at other places, like in Hanuman Chalisa itself, we see that Hanuman is considered to be the avatar of Shiva". There is no such statement anywhere in the scriptures, or even in the Hanuman Chalisa. Can you substantiate your claim? Tell me the verse from Hanuman Chalisa that states that Hanuman is an incarnation of Shiva. -Parag Vasudevan VK <vasuchak wrote: Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Shrimathey Ramanujaya Namaha Shrimathey Nigamantha Maha Deshikaya Namaha Respected Bhagavathas, It is indeed very interesting that Shrimad Azhagiya Shingar has made this observation. On the one hand, we have Swami Deshikan saying that we have to worship Hanuman as a Parama Bhagavata but at other places, like in Hanuman Chalisa itself, we see that Hanuman is considered to be the avatar of Shiva. We also see that Swami Deshikan has not composed any separate poem/stotra on Hanuman like he has done for Andal, Periya Thiruvadi or Sudarshanar. In the light of all this, in the Shrivaishnava tradition, it is clear that Hanuman should not be worshipped independently but only as a bhakta of Lord Rama or may be Lord Krishna. While going through one of my acharyan father's several hand-written notebooks, I remember to have seen a note made to the effect that the great scholar Shriman D.T.Tatachar was of the opinion that Hanuman should not be worshipped without the Dhivya Dhampathis Rama and Seetha. This is exactly what the varthamana Azhagiya Shingar has conveyed too. Therefore, my humble opinion is that while we can recite shlokas in praise of Hanuman from Shrimad Ramayanam, it may not be proper for us to recite shlokas like "buddhir balam..." Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Gopinath Varadharajan <vgopinath wrote: In on of HIS Tele-Upanyasam, Srimad Azahgiya Singar told that we should not pray Sri Anjaneya, if he is Installed Alone (like seperate Anjaneya Temple) He should be prayed only when he is seen along with Sri Sita Rama Ghosti. Pls. correct me if my understanding was wrong. Gopi - "Dr. V. NARASIMHAN" <shanaras "Vasan Sriranga Chari" <vasan_chari_hk; "Arvind Rangan" <arvind Cc: <> Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:02 PM Re: Re: ANJANEYA WORSHIP Dear Bhagavathas, You all may be delighted to visit the web-site www.panchamukha.org Kind regards, narasimha dasan / / / Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2005 Dear Bhagavatas, It will be good if one of the Bhagavatas can please enlighten us about the context of the following shloka: Yatra yatra Raghunatha keertanam tatra tatra krtamastakaanjalim | baashpavaariparipoorNalochanam Maarutim namata raakshasaantakam || All I know is that this is recited by many Shrivaishnavas at the beginning of Ramayana Paaraayanam and means: Bow down to Maruti (Hanuman, who killed Rakshasas) as one who stays wherever Raghunatha (Srirama) is being sung about, with his hands joined on top of his head, with eyes full of tears of joy. Regards, Raghunath. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2005 In fact whom did we pray to before or just at the beginning to Raamavataram ? and during the the first Avataram ( Matsiyavatharam ), whom did the rishis pray to ? They might not even have the concept of Ram, or Krishna or Bhagwad Gita... for it was spoken by Lord himself only during Krishnavatharam. Arvind Raghunath KS wrote: > Dear Bhagavatas, > > It will be good if one of the Bhagavatas can please > enlighten us about the context of the following > shloka: > > Yatra yatra Raghunatha keertanam > tatra tatra krtamastakaanjalim | > baashpavaariparipoorNalochanam > Maarutim namata raakshasaantakam || > > All I know is that this is recited by many > Shrivaishnavas at the beginning of Ramayana > Paaraayanam and means: > > Bow down to Maruti (Hanuman, who killed Rakshasas) as > one who stays wherever Raghunatha (Srirama) is being > sung about, with his hands joined on top of his head, > with eyes full of tears of joy. > > Regards, > Raghunath. ------ > * Links* > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
