Doubt Regarding Hayagriva stotram

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Respected Bhagavatas,

 

Today when I was chanting the Hayagriva stotram

of Swami Desikan, I suddenly got a doubt. I request

the learned scholars to clarify.

 

In the phalashruti, Swami Desikan says

 

"vAgartha siddhihEtoh paThata hayagrIva samstutim

bhaktyA |

kavi-tArkika-kEsariNA vEnkaTanAthEna

virachitAmetAm||"

 

According to my understanding the Hayagriva stotram

was Swami Desikan's first composition.

 

Also, from the Desika-gadya I understand that the

title of KAVI-TARKIKA-SIMHA has conferred on Swami

Desikan by SriRanganatha himself when Swami composed

the Paduka-sahasram.

(eka yAminI yAma nirmita padukA sahasra....vismaya

rangeSa viSrANita kavi-tArkika-simha samAkhyA

vikhyAta vaidagdhya)

 

This being the case, how did Swami Desikan refer

to himself as "kavi-tArkika-simha" in the first

composition itself? Was he aware that he would

get that title in future?

 

Swami Desikan Tiruvadigale Saranam

dasan,

Srikanth

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Swamy,

 

I will just clarify ur question by a single line question :

 

Why should the phalasruti be composed along with the sloka?

 

It can be composed later after really Swamy realising that this stotra &

Hayagreeva upasana has lead him to this glory- hence his realisation is recorded

as phalasruti to the mankind.

 

Sajjana Padapadma parama renuhu

 

Lakshmi Narasimha dasaha

 

 

 

"Srikanth H.R." <hrsriks wrote: Respected Bhagavatas,

 

Today when I was chanting the Hayagriva stotram

of Swami Desikan, I suddenly got a doubt. I request

the learned scholars to clarify.

 

In the phalashruti, Swami Desikan says

 

"vAgartha siddhihEtoh paThata hayagrIva samstutim

bhaktyA |

kavi-tArkika-kEsariNA vEnkaTanAthEna

virachitAmetAm||"

 

According to my understanding the Hayagriva stotram

was Swami Desikan's first composition.

 

Also, from the Desika-gadya I understand that the

title of KAVI-TARKIKA-SIMHA has conferred on Swami

Desikan by SriRanganatha himself when Swami composed

the Paduka-sahasram.

(eka yAminI yAma nirmita padukA sahasra....vismaya

rangeSa viSrANita kavi-tArkika-simha samAkhyA

vikhyAta vaidagdhya)

 

This being the case, how did Swami Desikan refer

to himself as "kavi-tArkika-simha" in the first

composition itself? Was he aware that he would

get that title in future?

 

Swami Desikan Tiruvadigale Saranam

dasan,

Srikanth

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear All,

 

The verses in the sloka roughly translated

 

"vaagartha siddhihetoH

paThata hayagriivasaMstutiM bhaktyaa .

 

the Hayagriva stotram read with devotion would help in attaining fluency over

words and true knowledge about the Truth.

 

and

 

kavitaarkika kesariNaa

veN^kaTanaathena virachitaametaam.h .. 33 ..

 

that this stotra is composed by Venkatanatha, the lion among the composers and

those that excel in debates

 

As these words are found in the phalsruthi one can assume that these are

composed later.

 

But one doubt still persists - that is whether Swami Desikan would have himself

stated - " lion among the composers and those that excel in debates"?

 

Possibly they could have been added subsequently by Swami Desika's son and

disciple, Nainacharya or Kumara Varadacharya ?

 

Because in his Desika Mangalam, Pillai Antaadi, and Desika Dinacharyai he has

recorded some biographical details of his father.....

 

Kavitarkika Simhaya Kalyana GunashalinE

Srimathe Venkateshaya Vedanta GuravE Namaha

 

 

Srimathi Venkatachari Raghavan

 

 

 

 

 

"Srikanth H.R." <hrsriks wrote: Respected Bhagavatas,

 

Today when I was chanting the Hayagriva stotram

of Swami Desikan, I suddenly got a doubt. I request

the learned scholars to clarify.

 

In the phalashruti, Swami Desikan says

 

"vAgartha siddhihEtoh paThata hayagrIva samstutim

bhaktyA |

kavi-tArkika-kEsariNA vEnkaTanAthEna

virachitAmetAm||"

 

According to my understanding the Hayagriva stotram

was Swami Desikan's first composition.

 

Also, from the Desika-gadya I understand that the

title of KAVI-TARKIKA-SIMHA has conferred on Swami

Desikan by SriRanganatha himself when Swami composed

the Paduka-sahasram.

(eka yAminI yAma nirmita padukA sahasra....vismaya

rangeSa viSrANita kavi-tArkika-simha samAkhyA

vikhyAta vaidagdhya)

 

This being the case, how did Swami Desikan refer

to himself as "kavi-tArkika-simha" in the first

composition itself? Was he aware that he would

get that title in future?

 

Swami Desikan Tiruvadigale Saranam

dasan,

Srikanth

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected BhAgavatAs,

 

Regarding the question whether Swami Desikan

himself composed the phala sruti, I referred

to a series of articles on this by revered Sri

Anbil Ramaswamy in the Bhakti-list a couple of

years back under the titles "Swami Desikan's

NaichyAnu-

sandhAnam and sAtvika ahankAram". In these posts

it clearly mentions that Desikan himself composed

these phala srutis out of sAtvika AhankAram.

Sri Anbil Ramaswamy also mentions that ONLY

SWAMI DESIKAN (and similar acharyas)is qualified to

have such a feeling.!!!

 

Regarding the other point whether these were

composed later on, I request the learned members

to enlighten.

 

Swami Desikan Tiruvadigale saranam

daasan,

Srikanth

 

--- Gopalan Raghavan <shriragh wrote:

 

> Dear All,

>

> The verses in the sloka roughly translated

>

> "vaagartha siddhihetoH

> paThata hayagriivasaMstutiM bhaktyaa .

>

> the Hayagriva stotram read with devotion would

> help in attaining fluency over words and true

> knowledge about the Truth.

>

> and

>

> kavitaarkika kesariNaa

> veN^kaTanaathena virachitaametaam.h .. 33 ..

>

> that this stotra is composed by Venkatanatha, the

> lion among the composers and those that excel in

> debates

>

> As these words are found in the phalsruthi one can

> assume that these are composed later.

>

> But one doubt still persists - that is whether Swami

> Desikan would have himself stated - " lion among

> the composers and those that excel in debates"?

>

> Possibly they could have been added subsequently by

> Swami Desika's son and disciple, Nainacharya or

> Kumara Varadacharya ?

>

> Because in his Desika Mangalam, Pillai Antaadi, and

> Desika Dinacharyai he has recorded some

> biographical details of his father.....

>

> Kavitarkika Simhaya Kalyana GunashalinE

> Srimathe Venkateshaya Vedanta GuravE Namaha

>

>

> Srimathi Venkatachari Raghavan

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sir,

 

When you read the Hayagriva Stotram you are touched by the simplicity and the

humility of the great acharya.

 

I would invite your attention to the following verses in the sloka

 

sloka 6 - nAtha! Aham mugdha iti tvayA kAruNyatah eva katAksahNIyah

 

which when translated means O God I am an ignorant child - please bless me

 

 

sloka 30-

 

aham nAnAvidhAnAm agatih

tIrtheshu ca na api kRta avatArah

anAtha parigrahAyAh tava dayAyAh navam navam pAtram, dhruvam

 

I am not knowledgable in the different arts

Nor have I learned from the great acharyas

therefore I have no doubt I am deserving of your mercy

which you shower on the destitute and the helpless .

 

Do we see the acharya's NaichyAnu-

sandhAnam and sAtvika ahankAram here?

 

You see only the humility of the acharya and surely no Aharnkaram is exhibited.

 

Srimathi Venkatachari Raghavan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Swamy Desikan himself composed these phalasrutis. He proudly uses the title

conferred on him by Lord himself- so nothing really unusual about it. He states

such things not only in phalasruti but even in the middle of slokams. In fact,

he says in dayasatakam, "vedanta desika pade viniveshya baalam", saying that he

is in Vedanta desika position which is even better than" kavitharkika kesari".

So I dont think anyone else have added phalasrutis, it is not normal to do it.

 

It is swamy's composition

 

Sajjana pada padma parama renuhu

 

Lakshmi Narasimha dasan

 

 

 

"Srikanth H.R." <hrsriks wrote: Respected BhAgavatAs,

 

Regarding the question whether Swami Desikan

himself composed the phala sruti, I referred

to a series of articles on this by revered Sri

Anbil Ramaswamy in the Bhakti-list a couple of

years back under the titles "Swami Desikan's

NaichyAnu-

sandhAnam and sAtvika ahankAram". In these posts

it clearly mentions that Desikan himself composed

these phala srutis out of sAtvika AhankAram.

Sri Anbil Ramaswamy also mentions that ONLY

SWAMI DESIKAN (and similar acharyas)is qualified to

have such a feeling.!!!

 

Regarding the other point whether these were

composed later on, I request the learned members

to enlighten.

 

Swami Desikan Tiruvadigale saranam

daasan,

Srikanth

 

--- Gopalan Raghavan <shriragh wrote:

 

> Dear All,

>

> The verses in the sloka roughly translated

>

> "vaagartha siddhihetoH

> paThata hayagriivasaMstutiM bhaktyaa .

>

> the Hayagriva stotram read with devotion would

> help in attaining fluency over words and true

> knowledge about the Truth.

>

> and

>

> kavitaarkika kesariNaa

> veN^kaTanaathena virachitaametaam.h .. 33 ..

>

> that this stotra is composed by Venkatanatha, the

> lion among the composers and those that excel in

> debates

>

> As these words are found in the phalsruthi one can

> assume that these are composed later.

>

> But one doubt still persists - that is whether Swami

> Desikan would have himself stated - " lion among

> the composers and those that excel in debates"?

>

> Possibly they could have been added subsequently by

> Swami Desika's son and disciple, Nainacharya or

> Kumara Varadacharya ?

>

> Because in his Desika Mangalam, Pillai Antaadi, and

> Desika Dinacharyai he has recorded some

> biographical details of his father.....

>

> Kavitarkika Simhaya Kalyana GunashalinE

> Srimathe Venkateshaya Vedanta GuravE Namaha

>

>

> Srimathi Venkatachari Raghavan

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Madhavan swamy,

 

My mails are exactly with the same intention. To me, use of a title in a slokam

has nothing to do with the humility aspect of a person who has composed it. It

is standard practise to do so and Swamy Desikan has been following it. Titles,

places of birth, parents names are used by different poets alongwith their own

names for the benefit of posterity, i.e. avoid confusion. Ofcourse, connoiusures

can easily differentiate between compositions of poets simply based on style &

flow - it is some kind of a signature.

 

 

 

Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu

 

Lakshmi Narasimha dasan

 

 

 

narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan wrote:

Swamy Desikan himself composed these phalasrutis. He proudly uses the title

conferred on him by Lord himself- so nothing really unusual about it. He states

such things not only in phalasruti but even in the middle of slokams. In fact,

he says in dayasatakam, "vedanta desika pade viniveshya baalam", saying that he

is in Vedanta desika position which is even better than" kavitharkika kesari".

So I dont think anyone else have added phalasrutis, it is not normal to do it.

 

It is swamy's composition

 

Sajjana pada padma parama renuhu

 

Lakshmi Narasimha dasan

 

 

 

"Srikanth H.R." <hrsriks wrote: Respected BhAgavatAs,

 

Regarding the question whether Swami Desikan

himself composed the phala sruti, I referred

to a series of articles on this by revered Sri

Anbil Ramaswamy in the Bhakti-list a couple of

years back under the titles "Swami Desikan's

NaichyAnu-

sandhAnam and sAtvika ahankAram". In these posts

it clearly mentions that Desikan himself composed

these phala srutis out of sAtvika AhankAram.

Sri Anbil Ramaswamy also mentions that ONLY

SWAMI DESIKAN (and similar acharyas)is qualified to

have such a feeling.!!!

 

Regarding the other point whether these were

composed later on, I request the learned members

to enlighten.

 

Swami Desikan Tiruvadigale saranam

daasan,

Srikanth

 

--- Gopalan Raghavan <shriragh wrote:

 

> Dear All,

>

> The verses in the sloka roughly translated

>

> "vaagartha siddhihetoH

> paThata hayagriivasaMstutiM bhaktyaa .

>

> the Hayagriva stotram read with devotion would

> help in attaining fluency over words and true

> knowledge about the Truth.

>

> and

>

> kavitaarkika kesariNaa

> veN^kaTanaathena virachitaametaam.h .. 33 ..

>

> that this stotra is composed by Venkatanatha, the

> lion among the composers and those that excel in

> debates

>

> As these words are found in the phalsruthi one can

> assume that these are composed later.

>

> But one doubt still persists - that is whether Swami

> Desikan would have himself stated - " lion among

> the composers and those that excel in debates"?

>

> Possibly they could have been added subsequently by

> Swami Desika's son and disciple, Nainacharya or

> Kumara Varadacharya ?

>

> Because in his Desika Mangalam, Pillai Antaadi, and

> Desika Dinacharyai he has recorded some

> biographical details of his father.....

>

> Kavitarkika Simhaya Kalyana GunashalinE

> Srimathe Venkateshaya Vedanta GuravE Namaha

>

>

> Srimathi Venkatachari Raghavan

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear members,

 

This is a very interesting thread of discussion.

 

Let me share with you a comment.

 

To the best of my knowledge, legend has it that the Lord Of SriRangam

conferred on Swami Desikan the honorific of "vEdAntAchArya". The

title of "kavi-tArkika-kEsari" was earned much earlier.

 

The history of those times is shrouded so much in legendary accounts,

nothing certain can be said about it. But if the above is true, then

I guess it should answer the "hayagrIva stOtra" problem?

 

dAsan,

Sudarshan

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Dear Sudarshan swamy,

 

Thats also my understanding. What puts me back a bit is the wordings in Desika

gadyam . Looking at it globally, everything is given by the lord only, so we

cant really say in what sense what wordings have been put.

 

Nevertheless, I dont really feel that this issue should interest real research,

because, prima-facie, even if some one enters into it, as u said nothing

concrete will emerge due to rather inadequate documentation in the past. Even

today, I dont think every aspect of even the major personalities in life are

completely tracked and recorded.

 

That is the position.

 

Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu

 

Lakshmi Narasimha dasan

 

 

 

Sudarshan K Madabushi <mksudarshan2002 wrote:

Dear members,

 

This is a very interesting thread of discussion.

 

Let me share with you a comment.

 

To the best of my knowledge, legend has it that the Lord Of SriRangam

conferred on Swami Desikan the honorific of "vEdAntAchArya". The

title of "kavi-tArkika-kEsari" was earned much earlier.

 

The history of those times is shrouded so much in legendary accounts,

nothing certain can be said about it. But if the above is true, then

I guess it should answer the "hayagrIva stOtra" problem?

 

dAsan,

Sudarshan

 

 

 

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