Guest guest Report post Posted August 7, 2004 Dear All, Pranams. We have a religious group here in Jal vayu Vihar Bangalore.At the end of sloka recitation they recite Manthra Pushpam. I was not taught this by my mother who was a learned lady in Ubhaya Vedanthas and also a student of Thirukkudanthai Andavan.I am in a dilemma if I should learn this or not.Kindly guide me. Regards Saroja Chakravarty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 7, 2004 Simple answer to this is Veda Mantras are prohibited for Ladies. As ordained by acharyas, vaishnava ladies follow this. Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu Lakshmi Narasimhan dasan s "Mrs.Saroja Chakravarty" <s_chaks wrote: Dear All, Pranams. We have a religious group here in Jal vayu Vihar Bangalore.At the end of sloka recitation they recite Manthra Pushpam. I was not taught this by my mother who was a learned lady in Ubhaya Vedanthas and also a student of Thirukkudanthai Andavan.I am in a dilemma if I should learn this or not.Kindly guide me. Regards Saroja Chakravarty / Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 8, 2004 swamin, My learned father and grandfather also were of the same view and requested that Vedas are not for the females. But this was not because of Gender bias. The explanation my Grandfather told me (incidentally he was alsovery close to Thirukudathai swami from his poorvashrama days) was that due to the swara and the deergha and haswa tones it is not suitable for family females as most of the sounds are from the bottom of the stomach. But ladies can recite the slokas of Desikan and the nalayiram and others. dasan/raghavan --- narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan wrote: > > Simple answer to this is Veda Mantras are prohibited > for Ladies. As ordained by acharyas, vaishnava > ladies follow this. > > Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu > > Lakshmi Narasimhan dasan > > s > > "Mrs.Saroja Chakravarty" <s_chaks wrote: > Dear All, > Pranams. > We have a religious group here in Jal vayu Vihar > Bangalore.At the end of sloka recitation they recite > Manthra Pushpam. I was not taught this by my mother > who was a learned lady in Ubhaya Vedanthas and also > a student of Thirukkudanthai Andavan.I am in a > dilemma if I should learn this or not.Kindly guide > me. > Regards > Saroja Chakravarty > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 8, 2004 Dear Swami, I can neither contest this reasoning nor know pretty well if I can buy them for the moment. I also heard such reasonings in the past, but I have not come across anything definitive on this matter. On the contrary there were lady veda pundits in the times of yore. All that can be said at this point of time is that for some really good reasons recitation of vedas have been prohibited for ladies by poorvacharyas and is in practise in that form for generations now. Hence that should be respected. I would only limit my self fto this level for the moment . Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu Lakshmi Narasimha dasan Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan wrote: swamin, My learned father and grandfather also were of the same view and requested that Vedas are not for the females. But this was not because of Gender bias. The explanation my Grandfather told me (incidentally he was alsovery close to Thirukudathai swami from his poorvashrama days) was that due to the swara and the deergha and haswa tones it is not suitable for family females as most of the sounds are from the bottom of the stomach. But ladies can recite the slokas of Desikan and the nalayiram and others. dasan/raghavan --- narsimhan csl wrote: > > Simple answer to this is Veda Mantras are prohibited > for Ladies. As ordained by acharyas, vaishnava > ladies follow this. > > Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu > > Lakshmi Narasimhan dasan > > s > > "Mrs.Saroja Chakravarty" wrote: > Dear All, > Pranams. > We have a religious group here in Jal vayu Vihar > Bangalore.At the end of sloka recitation they recite > Manthra Pushpam. I was not taught this by my mother > who was a learned lady in Ubhaya Vedanthas and also > a student of Thirukkudanthai Andavan.I am in a > dilemma if I should learn this or not.Kindly guide > me. > Regards > Saroja Chakravarty > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 8, 2004 Swami, I have discussed this with my elders also time and again and the comment of one of my elders in fact a periyappa who is an acoustics professor that the creation of these sounds in the proper way as denoted in the vedas being from the lower abdomen is bad for women's health due to gynae reasons appealed to us all. In case of swamin, differing on this view may please enlighten me with the reasons, to enable adiyen also to search for answers. Dasan/raghavan --- narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan wrote: > Dear Swami, > > I can neither contest this reasoning nor know pretty > well if I can buy them for the moment. I also heard > such reasonings in the past, but I have not come > across anything definitive on this matter. On the > contrary there were lady veda pundits in the times > of yore. > > All that can be said at this point of time is that > for some really good reasons recitation of vedas > have been prohibited for ladies by poorvacharyas and > is in practise in that form for generations now. > Hence that should be respected. I would only limit > my self fto this level for the moment . > Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu > Lakshmi Narasimha dasan > > Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan wrote: > swamin, > > My learned father and grandfather also were of the > same view and requested that Vedas are not for the > females. But this was not because of Gender bias. > > The explanation my Grandfather told me (incidentally > he was alsovery close to Thirukudathai swami from > his > poorvashrama days) was that due to the swara and the > deergha and haswa tones it is not suitable for > family > females as most of the sounds are from the bottom > of the stomach. > > But ladies can recite the slokas of Desikan and the > nalayiram and others. > > dasan/raghavan > --- narsimhan csl wrote: > > > > > Simple answer to this is Veda Mantras are > prohibited > > for Ladies. As ordained by acharyas, vaishnava > > ladies follow this. > > > > Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu > > > > Lakshmi Narasimhan dasan > > > > s > > > > "Mrs.Saroja Chakravarty" wrote: > > Dear All, > > Pranams. > > We have a religious group here in Jal vayu Vihar > > Bangalore.At the end of sloka recitation they > recite > > Manthra Pushpam. I was not taught this by my > mother > > who was a learned lady in Ubhaya Vedanthas and > also > > a student of Thirukkudanthai Andavan.I am in a > > dilemma if I should learn this or not.Kindly guide > > me. > > Regards > > Saroja Chakravarty > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 8, 2004 Dear Bhagavathas, I also have a similar version regarding women reciting Vedams. My Granduncle, Madabushi Gopalan, always used to say that for vedas the swaras and mainly the OM kaara need to be generated from the nAbhi of the person reciting the vedas. When reciting so, the male hormones are generated more and this was the reason as to why women were asked not to recite vedams. But still, we have Gargi and Maitreyi, wives of Yagnavalkya, who recited the vedams. Sometimes, through generations may some information gets distorted. My granduncle also used to tell me that women are to recite "am" instead of "Om" for the same reason too. Adiyen, Thuphal vijayaraghava Dasan Vijaya Raghavan [svrvan] Sun 8/8/2004 5:04 PM narsimhan csl; Mrs.Saroja Chakravarty; Cc: Re: Doubts Swami, I have discussed this with my elders also time and again and the comment of one of my elders in fact a periyappa who is an acoustics professor that the creation of these sounds in the proper way as denoted in the vedas being from the lower abdomen is bad for women's health due to gynae reasons appealed to us all. In case of swamin, differing on this view may please enlighten me with the reasons, to enable adiyen also to search for answers. Dasan/raghavan --- narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan wrote: > Dear Swami, > > I can neither contest this reasoning nor know pretty > well if I can buy them for the moment. I also heard > such reasonings in the past, but I have not come > across anything definitive on this matter. On the > contrary there were lady veda pundits in the times > of yore. > > All that can be said at this point of time is that > for some really good reasons recitation of vedas > have been prohibited for ladies by poorvacharyas and > is in practise in that form for generations now. > Hence that should be respected. I would only limit > my self fto this level for the moment . > Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu > Lakshmi Narasimha dasan > > Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan wrote: > swamin, > > My learned father and grandfather also were of the > same view and requested that Vedas are not for the > females. But this was not because of Gender bias. > > The explanation my Grandfather told me (incidentally > he was alsovery close to Thirukudathai swami from > his > poorvashrama days) was that due to the swara and the > deergha and haswa tones it is not suitable for > family > females as most of the sounds are from the bottom > of the stomach. > > But ladies can recite the slokas of Desikan and the > nalayiram and others. > > dasan/raghavan > --- narsimhan csl wrote: > > > > > Simple answer to this is Veda Mantras are > prohibited > > for Ladies. As ordained by acharyas, vaishnava > > ladies follow this. > > > > Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu > > > > Lakshmi Narasimhan dasan > > > > s > > > > "Mrs.Saroja Chakravarty" wrote: > > Dear All, > > Pranams. > > We have a religious group here in Jal vayu Vihar > > Bangalore.At the end of sloka recitation they > recite > > Manthra Pushpam. I was not taught this by my > mother > > who was a learned lady in Ubhaya Vedanthas and > also > > a student of Thirukkudanthai Andavan.I am in a > > dilemma if I should learn this or not.Kindly guide > > me. > > Regards > > Saroja Chakravarty > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 9, 2004 Dear Bhagavatas: I entirely agree with Sri M.G.Vasudevan Swamin. Those who have read the book "Hinduism Rediscovered" will find that most of their doubts they have raised (or not yet raised) have been clarified. Also, those who seek to post such debatable issues are advised to first go into the archives of Bhakti, Saranagathi, Sri Ranga sri, Oppiliappan, etc sites to see if the questions had already been discussed. I am sure that they will invariably find answers. If they are not still satisfied, they may pose their queries with specific points for clarification instead of in a generalized form that tend to divert the focus. Modearator ========================================================================== Respected moderator, time and again the same point of whether ladies are eligible to chant vedha manthras is appearing in one form or other. i request moderator to filter this subject at the 'clearance of mail stage' itself as it serves no real purpose except creating one more round of discussion mostly in the same lines as earlier. this is not to discourage questions of such nature but to have useful discussions on them. regards MGVasudevan Vijaya Raghavan [svrvan] Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:04 PM narsimhan csl; Mrs.Saroja Chakravarty; Re: Doubts Swami, I have discussed this with my elders also time and again and the comment of one of my elders in fact a periyappa who is an acoustics professor that the creation of these sounds in the proper way as denoted in the vedas being from the lower abdomen is bad for women's health due to gynae reasons appealed to us all. In case of swamin, differing on this view may please enlighten me with the reasons, to enable adiyen also to search for answers. Dasan/raghavan --- narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan wrote: > Dear Swami, > > I can neither contest this reasoning nor know pretty > well if I can buy them for the moment. I also heard > such reasonings in the past, but I have not come > across anything definitive on this matter. On the > contrary there were lady veda pundits in the times > of yore. > > All that can be said at this point of time is that > for some really good reasons recitation of vedas > have been prohibited for ladies by poorvacharyas and > is in practise in that form for generations now. > Hence that should be respected. I would only limit > my self fto this level for the moment . > Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu > Lakshmi Narasimha dasan > > Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan wrote: > swamin, > > My learned father and grandfather also were of the > same view and requested that Vedas are not for the > females. But this was not because of Gender bias. > > The explanation my Grandfather told me (incidentally > he was alsovery close to Thirukudathai swami from > his > poorvashrama days) was that due to the swara and the > deergha and haswa tones it is not suitable for > family > females as most of the sounds are from the bottom > of the stomach. > > But ladies can recite the slokas of Desikan and the > nalayiram and others. > > dasan/raghavan > --- narsimhan csl wrote: > > > > > Simple answer to this is Veda Mantras are > prohibited > > for Ladies. As ordained by acharyas, vaishnava > > ladies follow this. > > > > Sajjana padapadma parama renuhu > > > > Lakshmi Narasimhan dasan > > > > s > > > > "Mrs.Saroja Chakravarty" wrote: > > Dear All, > > Pranams. > > We have a religious group here in Jal vayu Vihar > > Bangalore.At the end of sloka recitation they > recite > > Manthra Pushpam. I was not taught this by my > mother > > who was a learned lady in Ubhaya Vedanthas and > also > > a student of Thirukkudanthai Andavan.I am in a > > dilemma if I should learn this or not.Kindly guide > > me. > > Regards > > Saroja Chakravarty > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129rbt2tt/M=298184.5285298.6392945.3001176/D=groups\ /S=1705077013:HM/EXP=1092076038/A=2164331/R=0/SIG=11eaelai9/*http://www.netflix.\ com/Default?mqso=60183351> click here <http://us.adserver./l?M=298184.5285298.6392945.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/\ A=2164331/rand=955116695> _____ * / * <?subject=Un> * Terms of Service <> . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
