Shuklambaradaram Vishnum

May 20, 2003

I read somewhere that the complete

"Shuklambaradaram Vishnum

>shashivarnam...... is

Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum

shashivarnam chathurbujam

prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe

sarva vignopha saanthaye

Gajanaana padmasana

gajanaana mahirsham

ane`ka dantam bakthanaama

eka dantam upasmayema.

- Karpagam.

>sukumar <sukumar

>"Srirangasri" <Srirangasri>,

>Oppiliappan <Oppiliappan>, "ramanuja"

><ramanuja>

> RE: the meaning of pranavam

>Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530

>

>Sri Krishnaya Namah!

>

>I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum

>shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there is

>mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my

>acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is actually

>addressed to Lord Vishnu.

>

>If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord

>Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds.

>

>Sukumar

>

>Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah!

>

>balajiv_54 [sMTP:balajiv_54]

>29/04/2003 6:45 PM

>bhakti-list

>Re: the meaning of pranavam

>

>dear sir,

>iam grateful for your apt replt to the meaning of pranavam(aum or ohm)

>i am thinking in this way.

>ohm is the begining of all,including brahma,vishnu and shivan.it is

>this shakti which makes all gods do their functions like brahma does

>the job of producing,vishnu does the job of protecting and shiva does

>the job of destroying. all the three take their orders by yogic

>power. as lord krishna says in geetha after he shows the virata

>roopam. he says he could show this because of the yogic power he has

>and all that is possible because he is an avatar of vishnu.

>

>in sandyavandanam we invoke this ohm after doing achamanam and

>ganpathi dhiyanam.shuklam paradharam vishnum sasivarnam

>chathurbhujam,prasanna vadanam dhiyayeth sarva vikhnoba shanthayedh.

>in doing pranayamam we invoke the ohmkaram

>

>i do not know if iam correct.the learned may guide me.

>

>balaji

>

>bhakti-list, "Ram Anbil" <Ramanbil@h...> wrote:

> > Dear friend:

> >

> > As per our Siddhantam, PraNavam comprises of three

>syllables "a", "u" and

> > 'ma". "a" denotes Sriman Narayana. "u" represents "Thaayaar". In

>another

> > yojana, it is said to denote "only", since "a" itself is taken to

>denote the

> > divine couplle (Sriman Narayana and His inseparable Consort, Sri

> > Mahaalakshmi") "ma" represents the Jivatma. Taken together, it

>means that

> > the Jeevatma exists as the servitor ONLY for the divine couple as

>aforesaid.

> >

> > Swami Desikan in his "Srimad Rahasya Traya Saaram" has established

>this

> > truth beyond any doubt quoting appropriate PramaaNams from the

>Vedas down to

> > the least of our scriptures.

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May 22, 2003

"sukhlam bharadaram ...." appears as prelude to vishnu saharanamam(in the poorva

bhagam). But no where the second stanza addressing Vinayaka/gajanana appears in

it . In fact it is followed either by a stanza addressing vishwaksena(yasya

dviradavaktradhya parisadyah....) or Vyasa(vyasam vasista naptharam....). From

these, we can easily infer that "Shuklam bharadaram...." addresses the supreme

vishnu/Narayana and only vishnu. The addition of the other stanza relating to

vinayaka/gajanana is to mislead people by some unscrupulous elements. Sorry if

this hurts someone's sentiments, but facts are facts and have to be taken at its

face value.

-vmkrishna

M Karpagam <m_karpagam wrote:

I read somewhere that the complete

"Shuklambaradaram Vishnum

>shashivarnam...... is

Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum

shashivarnam chathurbujam

prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe

sarva vignopha saanthaye

Gajanaana padmasana

gajanaana mahirsham

ane`ka dantam bakthanaama

eka dantam upasmayema.

- Karpagam.

>sukumar

>"Srirangasri" ,

>Oppiliappan , "ramanuja"

>

> RE: the meaning of pranavam

>Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530

>

>Sri Krishnaya Namah!

>

>I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum

>shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there is

>mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my

>acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is actually

>addressed to Lord Vishnu.

>

>If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord

>Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds.

>

>Sukumar

>

>Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah!

>

>balajiv_54 [sMTP:balajiv_54]

>29/04/2003 6:45 PM

>bhakti-list

>Re: the meaning of pranavam

>

>dear sir,

>iam grateful for your apt replt to the meaning of pranavam(aum or ohm)

>i am thinking in this way.

>ohm is the begining of all,including brahma,vishnu and shivan.it is

>this shakti which makes all gods do their functions like brahma does

>the job of producing,vishnu does the job of protecting and shiva does

>the job of destroying. all the three take their orders by yogic

>power. as lord krishna says in geetha after he shows the virata

>roopam. he says he could show this because of the yogic power he has

>and all that is possible because he is an avatar of vishnu.

>

>in sandyavandanam we invoke this ohm after doing achamanam and

>ganpathi dhiyanam.shuklam paradharam vishnum sasivarnam

>chathurbhujam,prasanna vadanam dhiyayeth sarva vikhnoba shanthayedh.

>in doing pranayamam we invoke the ohmkaram

>

>i do not know if iam correct.the learned may guide me.

>

>balaji

>

>bhakti-list, "Ram Anbil" wrote:

> > Dear friend:

> >

> > As per our Siddhantam, PraNavam comprises of three

>syllables "a", "u" and

> > 'ma". "a" denotes Sriman Narayana. "u" represents "Thaayaar". In

>another

> > yojana, it is said to denote "only", since "a" itself is taken to

>denote the

> > divine couplle (Sriman Narayana and His inseparable Consort, Sri

> > Mahaalakshmi") "ma" represents the Jivatma. Taken together, it

>means that

> > the Jeevatma exists as the servitor ONLY for the divine couple as

>aforesaid.

> >

> > Swami Desikan in his "Srimad Rahasya Traya Saaram" has established

>this

> > truth beyond any doubt quoting appropriate PramaaNams from the

>Vedas down to

> > the least of our scriptures.

>**************************

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>

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May 22, 2003

Dear Sir,

This is the way I was taught the meaning (in school - a long time back) and

its transliteration.

It is another way to look at the meaning of the sloka and may help understand

why it may refer to Lord Vinayaka.

Suklambaradaram - one who wears a white garment

Visnum - all pervading

Sasivarnam - one who has a brilliant complexion (like the full moon)

Chaturbhujam - one who has four hands

prasannavadanam - one who has an ever smiling face

dhyayet - I meditate upon

sarvavighnopashantaye- for the removal of all obstacles

If we take the word "Visnum" for its literal sanskrit meaning and not as a

reference to Lord Narayana, then this sloka could refer to Lord Vinayaka or

any of the gods that people worship in our faith. Couple this with the line

asking for "removal of all obstacles", the most common request asked of Lord

Vinayaka and what he is known for as well.

This interpretation may be why it is commonplace for people (me included) to

think that this sloka refers to Lord Vinayaka.

All languages are open to interpretation and Sanskrit, only more so.

That is the beauty and the power of Sanskrit.

Jai SrimanNarayana!

Siva.

Quoting Murali Krishna <vmkrishna26:

> "sukhlam bharadaram ...." appears as prelude to vishnu saharanamam(in the

> poorva bhagam). But no where the second stanza addressing Vinayaka/gajanana

> appears in it . In fact it is followed either by a stanza addressing

> vishwaksena(yasya dviradavaktradhya parisadyah....) or Vyasa(vyasam vasista

> naptharam....). From these, we can easily infer that "Shuklam

> bharadaram...." addresses the supreme vishnu/Narayana and only vishnu. The

> addition of the other stanza relating to vinayaka/gajanana is to mislead

> people by some unscrupulous elements. Sorry if this hurts someone's

> sentiments, but facts are facts and have to be taken at its face value.

>

> -vmkrishna

>

> M Karpagam <m_karpagam wrote:

> I read somewhere that the complete

> "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum

> >shashivarnam...... is

>

> Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum

> shashivarnam chathurbujam

> prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe

> sarva vignopha saanthaye

>

> Gajanaana padmasana

> gajanaana mahirsham

> ane`ka dantam bakthanaama

> eka dantam upasmayema.

>

> - Karpagam.

>

> >sukumar

> >"Srirangasri" ,

> >Oppiliappan , "ramanuja"

> >

> > RE: the meaning of pranavam

> >Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530

> >

> >Sri Krishnaya Namah!

> >

> >I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum

> >shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there is

> >mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my

> >acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is actually

> >addressed to Lord Vishnu.

> >

> >If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord

> >Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds.

> >

> >Sukumar

> >

> >Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah!

May 23, 2003

Sri Bhaktan

Most of us are taught the same, when we were in school. But that was age,

as kids most of us take, what ever that is taught, as absolute. But, as we

grow older, the outlook changes and one can decipher what is right and what is

wrong. I apologize, if i hurt your sentiments, but, Say, for example had some

teacher taught us in school that 1+1 = 5 then would we still say that 1+1 = 5,

even now. This is merely an analogy. pls don't start an argument on this by

saying that it can be proven....

If "Sukhlam bharadharam..." refers to Vinayaka, what is need

for the second stanza i.e " Agajananana padmarkkam, gajananam aharnisam....".

Even in the poorva bhagam of vishnu sahasranamam, where

"sukhlam ..." is followed by "yasya dvirada.. .." . The latter stanza

explicitly refers to Vishwaksena because the first one refers to Sriman

Narayana. Had the first stanza i.e "sukhlam ..." itself refered to vishwaksena,

then there is no need for the second stanza.... .So, we can safely conclude that

"Suklam bharadaram..." refers to Vishnu only.

Lets look at the last part of of this

"Sukhlam bharadaram..". i.e "sarva vignopashantaye". Bhaktan, wrote that this

quality of removing obstacles is associated with Vinayaka only...Why, can't

Vishnu remove the obstacles...?. Infact, it is Vishnu who has removed all the

obstacles and impediments(rakshasas et al) as per our ithihasas and puranas.

So, every part of that particular stanza refers to Vishnu alone.

I hope elite members of this list can throw more light on these

issues(By giving us some pramanams from scriptures etc)...

Infact there are many non vaishnava bramhins in A.P, who even goto the

extent of saying that Vinayaka is an avatara of Narayana. They even associate

MahaLakshmi with vinayaka, but as per satric sanctions Sri has to be worshipped

with Narayana alone...I don't know what is the pramana for all this...I am sure

that none of the sattvic scriptures suport their claims....

Jai sriman Narayana

vmkrishna

Bhaktan <bhaktan wrote: