Vedas, Hindu scriptures prohibit casteism

January 31, 2003

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> Vedas, Hindu scriptures prohibit casteism

By O.P. Gupta

Over centuries, the percentage of Hindus in the world and even in India has

been declining. The share of Hindus in total population of India was 84.98

percent in the 1951 census, 82.7 percent in 1971, 82.6 percent in 1981 and

82.41 percent in 1991.

In the 2001 census report (table 24), it has been further revised downwards

to 82 per cent in 1991 census.

This decline warrants serious introspection and reappraisal of our

socio-religious norms. Whereas Islamic and Christian priests have been

working overtime to seek new converts so as to increase their demographic

weight, bulk of Hindu priests unaware of Rigvedic norms but, armed with

Manusmriti have been functioning in such manner over last one thousand that

years reduces population of Hindus by making it difficult for a sizeable

chunk of Hindus (now called ST/SC/Dalits) to let them remain Hindus with

honour and dignity; and, by not seeking new converts to Hinduism.

Concepts like castes by birth, upper/lower castes, untouchables and dalits

are expressly prohibited by Rigveda, Ramayana and Shrimad Bhagwat Gita.

Protagonists of castes by birth cite Purus-Sukta (X.90.12) of Rigveda and

slokas (IV.13) and (XVIII.41) of Gita. This claim is totally knocked down by

other richas of Rigveda, other slokas of Gita and examples set by Lord Rama.

There is no birth based caste in Rigveda is evident from simple fact that

names of none of Rigvedic rishis carry any present day caste titles like

Pandit, Sharma, Tripathi, Chaturvedi, Trivedi, Singh, Gupta and Namboodari.

Vedas, Valmiki Ramayan and Gita are three and only three supreme religious

scriptures of Hindus. Rigveda has revelations to 414 rishis. Rigveda was

composed around 1500 BC but other school believes it to be older than 5000

BC.

Rigveda does not mention cotton whereas the oldest cotton seeds found in

Afghanistan are carbon dated to 5000 BC.

All others (Brahmanas, Upnishads, Puranas, Sutras, Smrities) are just

commentaries, stories mixed with historical accounts and poets'

imaginations.

All writings in Sanskrit are not religious scriptures. Therefore, these

latter compositions must yield to supremacy of Vedas. It is not a new

assertion as these themselves acknowledge supremacy of Vedas. For example,

Manusmriti vide Sloka (II.6), states that Vedas are the primary/first source

of authority. So, it is logical that all such slokas of Manusmriti which are

violative of Veda stand rejected.

Justice A.M. Bhattacharjee in his book "Hindu Law and the Constitution" says

that by a rule of interpretation, if the shruti (Vedas) and the smriti

differ on any point, the former is to prevail.

Ramayana and Mahabharata were composed after Vedas. Shrimad Bhagwat Gita is

a part of Mahabharata. It is believed that Manusmriti was composed during

Kushan period, about 100 years after Chankya/Kautilya. Arthur A. Macdonnel

in his book "A History of Sanskrit Literature" (1899 AD) estimates that

Manusmriti in its present form was composed near about 200 AD.

In his book, Macdonnel warns that the smritis are not on the same footings

as law books of other nations as these are works of private individuals

(Brahmins); these were written by Brahimins for benefit of Brahinins whose

caste pretentions these books consequently exaggerate.

None of these books from Manusmriti onwards were approved by any Dharam

Sansad (religious congregation). Macdonnel advises to check

statements/claims made in smrities by outside sources.

Text of Manusmriti has been tampered with was acknowledged by Sir William

Jones, an employee of the East India Company who introduced it as the Law

book of Hindus in British Indian Courts.

As devil is there in the details, let us look at English translations of

(X.90.11 & 12). HH Wilson translates "When they immolated Purusa, into how

many portions did they divide him? What was his mouth called, what his arms,

what his thighs, what were his feet called? His mouth became the Brahmana,

his arms became the Rajnya, his thighs became the Vaishya, and the Sudra was

born from his feet." Ralph T.H. Griffith translates: "When they divided

Purusa how many portions did they make? What do they call his mouth, his

arms? What do they call his thighs and feet?" The Brahman was his mouth, of

both his arms Rajnya was made. His thighs became Vaishya, from his feet the

Sudra was produced."

This context, this background that, division of body of Purusa into four

parts was done to kill/ immolate/sacrifice the Purusa has been totally

suppressed in Manusmriti.

In sloka (I.31), Manusmriti wrongly claims, that for growth of people

(lokanbridhi) Brahma created Brahman, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra from

mouth, arms, thighs and feet. With a view to create hereditary monopoly on

easy money of dakshina, greedy priests centuries after Vedas concocted that

as Brahman was born from mouth of Purusa, he was the superior most and as

Sudra was born from feet which is impure part of body he was impure and the

inferior most.

Manusmriti (5/132) states that organs above nabhi are sacred (pavitra) and

those below are impure (apivatra). There is no sanction for such a

hypothesis in Rigveda.

What Rishi Narain, composer of (X.90) was revealed is a very simple common

sense, that even the most powerful man like Purusa can be

immolated/destroyed if his mouth, arms, thighs and feet are separated.

If we kill a person what do we do? We cut his body into pieces. This is what

followers of Manusmriti have been doing over centuries -

destroying/immolating Hinduism from within by dividing/separating Hindus

among different castes by birth, at fratricidal war with each other, thus,

reducing Hindu population.

By throwing Sudras out of villages, followers of Manu amputated feet of

Hinduism, thus, made Hinduism crippled. Will followers of Manusmriti agree

to get their own feet amputated on the same logic that legs are impure parts

of their bodies?

Another interpretation of (X.90.11 & 12) is creative i.e. emergence of a

powerful (virat) man from Yajna. Acharya Shri Ram Sharma of Bareilly

translates (in Hindi) "Virat purus kitne prakaroo se utpanna huvey. Unka

mukh Brahman, bhuja kshatriye, janghaye vaishya aur charan sudra huye."

Acharya translates these on lines of creation not immolation, so, body of

Purus is not divided into four limbs.

By common sense, a virat Purus is one who is healthy and one is healthy only

if his mouth, arms, thighs and feet are joined together and work in perfect

harmony with each other.

Whenever this harmony among different parts of body is disturbed/destroyed,

he becomes paralysed and sick. So, what Rishi Narain is saying is that a

Society will emerge as the most powerful Society like the Virat Purus only

if its intelligentia (educated people i.e. Brahmans), Government (Rajnya),

business community (Vaishya) and professionals & workers (Sudra) are joined

together and work in as perfect harmony with each other as mouth, arms,

thighs and feet of any healthy person work.

These two richas, thus, emphasise total equality, perfect unity &

complementarity of all the four classes of people to make a Society

powerful.

In a healthy person, mouth does not claim to be superior to legs, arms do

not claim any superiority over legs and arms do not function independently

of head (Parkinsons's disease), as each part of a body is composed of

identically same materials and is functionally dependent upon each other.

No part of body is inferior or superior to other part of body. Each

dependent on the other, each complementary to the other. Thus, Purus Sukta

commands harmony, unity and equality i.e. none of the four classes is

inferior or superior to other and each is dependent on the other for its

healthy survival.

But, just the opposite interpretation was created by greedy priests and

British Courts to divide and rule.

Those who say that as Sudra represent feet of Virat Purus, and, as feet is

impure so Sudras are impure should know that richa (X.90.14) says that earth

was born from same feet of Purusa. So, based on (X.90.14) Sudras will be

justified to claim the entire earth as exclusively theirs.

There is no stipulation of high or low by birth in Rigveda. Many rishis of

Rigveda under current Manusmriti definition were not Brahmins. There are at

least ten Rigvedic richas showing that profession was not hereditary.

In richas (V.23.1) and (V.23.2) Rishi Dyumna prays to Agni "Bestow Agni,

upon Dyumna, a son, overcoming foes by his prowess; one who may with glory

subdue all men in battle" (HH Wilson).

In (IX.112.3) another rishi says "I am the singer, papa is the physician."

So, father of a Rigvedic rishi is a physician but in Manusmriti a physician

is a sudra.

HH Wilson translates (X.125.5) "I verily of myself declare this which is

approved by both gods and men; whosoever I will, I render him formidable, I

make him a Brahma, a rishi or a sage." This richa appears in Atharveda

(IV.30.03) also.

So in Rigveda profession is not hereditary but by training. In (X.98.7)

Devapi, is functioning as a purohit to his own brother King Shantanu.

Some assert that Arayns were/are fair complexioned people and sudras are

dark skinned. They also claim that four varnas were based on colours of

skin. This is not true as Lord Rama and Lord Krishna are always depicted in

coloured pictures as dark complexioned (shyama varna). Rishi Kanva who

richly contributed to Rigveda was himself a dark skinned person vide RV

(X.31.11).

Higher caste/lower caste and untouchability are in direct contradiction to

12 other richas of Vedas viz. RV (VIII.93.13), RV (X.191), Atharveda III.30

and VII.54 (or VII.52) and Yujurveda (26.02) and (36.18). Unity in diversity

is famous Indian motto.

Cows of different colours like black, red and spotted ones give white milk

(RV VIII.93.13) is a metaphor used in Vedas for diversity yielding to unity.

HH Wilson translates (X.191.2): "Meet together, talk together, let your

minds apprehend alike: in like manner as the ancient gods concurring

accepted their portion of the sacrifice." RV (X.191.3) "Common be the prayer

of these (assembled worshippers), common be the acquirement, common the

purpose, associated be the desire. I repeat for you a common prayer, I offer

for you a common oblation." RV (X.191.4) "Common (worshippers), be your

intention; common be (the wishes of) your heart; common be your thoughts, so

that there may be thorough union among you."

W.D. Whitney & K.L. Joshi translate Atharveda (III.30.1) "like-heartedness,

like mindedness, non-hostility do I make for you; do you show affection the

one towards the other, as the inviolable (cow) towards her calf when born."

(III.30.5): "Having superior intentful, be you not divided, accomplishing

together, moving on with joint labour come hither speaking what is agreeable

one to another, I make you united, like minded." (III.30.6): "Your drinking

saloon be the same, in common your share of food, in the same harness do I

join you together; worship you Agni united, like spokes about a navel."

(III.30.7): "Untied, like minded I make you, of one bunch, all of you, by

(my conciliation; (be) like the gods defending amrita; late and early be

well-willing yours."

Supporters of casteism oftenly quote slokas (IV.13) and (XVIII.41) of Gita

to support four castes by birth. In sloka (IV.13) Lord Krishna says:

"Chaturvarnyma mayaa sristam gunkarma vibhagsah" i.e. four orders of society

created by Me according to their Guna (qualities/behaviour) and Karma

(profession/work/efforts).

Lord Krishna does not say guna and karma of previous life. In (XVIII.41)

Lord Krishna says "Brahmana Kshatriya visham sudranam cha paramtapa, karmani

pravibhaktani svabhavaprabhavaigunaih." It means people have been grouped

into four classes according to their present life karma (profession/work)

and svabhava (behaviour).

Had this division been based on birth, Lord Krishna would have naturally

used "Janmani pravibhaktani" in (XVIII.41).

In (X.20) Lord Krishna says "ahamatama gudakesa sarvabhutaa sayasthitah"

i.e. "Arjuna! I am the universal self seated in the hearts of all beings."

Here, Lord neither excludes sudra from "all beings" nor excludes Himself

from being in hearts of sudra.

In (XVIII.61) Lord says "eshwarah sarvabhutaanaam hraddesearjuna tisthati"

i.e. Arjuna! God abides in the heart of all living beings." Again, sudras

are not excluded.

In (XIV.4) Lord Krishna says "of all embodied beings Arjuna, prakrti or

nature is the conceiving Mother, while I am the seed giving Father." Thus,

Lord Krishna says that he is as much Father of sudras as he is Father of any

other Hindu.

In (XVI.18) Lord Krishna says: "Given over to egotism, brute force,

arrogance, etc. they hate Me dwelling in their own bodies as well as those

of others."

Thus, Lord Krishna instructs that a Hindu must not hate bodies of others

Hindus as He is there in bodies of all so Gita prohibits untouchability.

In (XVI.19) Lord curses Manu supporters: "These haters, sinful, cruel and

vilest among men, I cast (them) again and again into demonical yonies

(wombs)." In (XVI.20) Lord again curses Manu supporters: "Failing to reach

Me, Arjuna, these stupid souls are born life after life in demoniac wombs

(asura yoni) and then verily sink down to a still lower plane." In

(XVIII.71) and (V.18) Lord again instructs equality of all Hindus.

Shrimad Valmiki Ramayan (1.1.98 to 100) also says whosoever including sudra

reads it will achieve greatness and get rid of all sins. Thus, Vedas,

Ramayana and Gita confer authority on sudras to possess and read all these.

In Ramayan, Lord Rama has set following two lessons for all Hindus which we

witness every year in Ramlilas but never follow in our practical lives.

Ravana was a grandson of risi Pulatsya. He was an expert on Vedas too. So,

he was a Brahimin by birth under Manu definition as well as a Brahimin

(educated) by qualification (veda-gyata) but he and most of his family

members were killed by Lord Rama for their wrong doings. So, the first

lesson of Ramayana is that everyone is equal before law.

Lord Rama visited Shabri, called her a mother (mata); ate food from her

hands and washed feet of Nisadraj. Lord Rama lived for years among vanvasi

(tribals). So the second lesson of Ramayana is that a true Rambhakta should

never discriminate against SC/ST/Dalit Hindus, should never hesitate to

visit and dine with them. Mahatma Gandhi always followed both these two

lessons of Ramayana.

Thus, the central command of the 14 harmony richas and 10 profession not

hereditary richas of Vedas is that all Hindus are totally equal by birth, of

one bunch, share same water and food, worship together united in same

temple, common are prayers, common purpose, common thoughts, united like

spokes of a wheel, common oblation and friendly towards each others.

One becomes a warrior (Rajnya), Brahman (educated ones) or rishi, not by

birth but by his efforts/training (karma) vide RV (X.125.5). No one is

superior and no one is inferior by birth.

[The writer is the Ambassador of India to Finland and above are his personal

views.]

February 3, 2003

Just one question. If today X wants to become a brahmin, can he choose his gotra

too?

GV & Shobha Srinivasan <shobha.srinivasan wrote:Namaskaram,