tri yuga

March 1, 2005

Dear Sriman Rajaram,

The secret of avatara is clearly stated in Chapter 4 of Bhagavadgita in the

first few verses. Here there

are no number, form, or space limitation. Avatra

happens when the balance between dharma and adharma is

tilted more towards adharma:

yada dharmasya ghlAnir hi (Dharma over shadowed)

abhi yada abdharmasya utthAnam bhavati (Adharma triumphs).

Taken this way, avatara is happening more or less all the time. In the face of

adharma, better sense prevails, some great soul raises to protect the humanity

from imminent danger. These are the leaders we celebrate. Just the major ones

are recognized and celebrated (like the dashavatarams).

Just remember dharma and adharma ever co-exist,

mutually competing (paraspara kalaham). Whichever wins

brings the out come in that situation.

All our puranas and sampradayams are nothing but built in

safety valves. Sometimes these valves themselves

create problems as they get corrupted and wrong

priorities are set for whatever reason

(we all have tens of examples for this).

That is when religious reformation

takes place to re-establish truth (dharma)

and slay corrupted traditions and thoughts

(Ramanujacharya had to walk out of his wife

who was preoccupied with caste superiority).

These reformers are avatarams.

Where is the question of time and

number limitation?

I think puranams should not be

taken as the whole pramanams. They are more

contextual. That is why they are not prasthana

trayams. If you read

Mahabharata, each hero in a given context is

described as the best and the greatest.

That is all true. But if you look at the whole

fewer heroes stick out. That is why only

a small part of Mahabharatham is a prasthana trayam.

Just ask how many great sons,

daughters and parents are there in this world?

Answer will be in billions! Are they wrong? No.

Are they right? No.

Please bare this in mind while reading Puranams.

You should not get stuck on one phrase

here and there. That will cause confusion,

worse yet you miss the higher truth.

If you get a chance, watch or read

Joseph Campbell and the power of Myth

with Bill Moyers.

It helped me, it may help you too.

With that, I am able

to better appreciate our sanatana dharmam.

dAsan

K.S. tAtAchAr

March 2, 2005

Dear Sri Ananthapadmanabhan -

Thanks you. My question are

1) Why is the lord called tri yuga in Srimad Bhagavatham when there is kalki and

buddha avatar ?

2) What does channa kalau mean ? There are avataras and the lord himself

promises to appear in every yuga whenever there is a decline in dharma and a

need to protect sadhus from followers of adharma.

Best Regards

Rajaram V.

k ananthapadmanabhan <krisanantha wrote:

Dear Sri Rajaram

I too have wondered like you. When one looks around & gets a feel for the level

of moral decadence & degeneration such a question is very natural.

Being ignorant of our shastras & their powerful interpretations, I had the

opportunity to discus this with certain enlightened people of our sampradayam.

I am stating below their considered view

Bagavan has sadhu paritranam as the compelling reason for an avataram.

Destroying evil forces is an incidental agenda & not the primary reason for his

avataram. So he needs Bagavathas of the caliber of Prahalada. When such

bagavatas are in danger he most certainly incarnates.

Thanks,

Ananthapadmanabhan

tatachar wrote:

Dear Sriman Rajaram,

The secret of avatara is clearly stated in Chapter 4 of Bhagavadgita in the

first few verses. Here there

are no number, form, or space limitation. Avatra

happens when the balance between dharma and adharma is

tilted more towards adharma:

yada dharmasya ghlAnir hi (Dharma over shadowed)

abhi yada abdharmasya utthAnam bhavati (Adharma triumphs).

Taken this way, avatara is happening more or less all the time. In the face of

adharma, better sense prevails, some great soul raises to protect the humanity

from imminent danger. These are the leaders we celebrate. Just the major ones

are recognized and celebrated (like the dashavatarams).

Just remember dharma and adharma ever co-exist,

mutually competing (paraspara kalaham). Whichever wins

brings the out come in that situation.

All our puranas and sampradayams are nothing but built in

safety valves. Sometimes these valves themselves

create problems as they get corrupted and wrong

priorities are set for whatever reason

(we all have tens of examples for this).

That is when religious reformation

takes place to re-establish truth (dharma)

and slay corrupted traditions and thoughts

(Ramanujacharya had to walk out of his wife

who was preoccupied with caste superiority).

These reformers are avatarams.

Where is the question of time and

number limitation?

I think puranams should not be

taken as the whole pramanams. They are more

contextual. That is why they are not prasthana

trayams. If you read

Mahabharata, each hero in a given context is

described as the best and the greatest.

That is all true. But if you look at the whole

fewer heroes stick out. That is why only

a small part of Mahabharatham is a prasthana trayam.

Just ask how many great sons,

daughters and parents are there in this world?

Answer will be in billions! Are they wrong? No.

Are they right? No.

Please bare this in mind while reading Puranams.

You should not get stuck on one phrase

here and there. That will cause confusion,

worse yet you miss the higher truth.

If you get a chance, watch or read

Joseph Campbell and the power of Myth

with Bill Moyers.

It helped me, it may help you too.

With that, I am able

to better appreciate our sanatana dharmam.

dAsan

K.S. tAtAchAr

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March 2, 2005

Dear Bhagavathas

The Lord appears on this earth through an Avatar only to fulfill the folowing :

Sadhu Samrakshanam ,

Dushta Nigraham and

Dharma Sthapanam .

Yes, in Kaliyuga , the Dharma is on decline now. No doubt on this. The number of

evil people are also on the increase. But till the Lord locates the Sadhu, as

per HIS definition , He will not take an avatar to save that sadhu . So we are

yet to get a sadhu like Prahlad , in our midst and once we get such a person ,

we will have the blessings of His avatar. So it should be our endeavour to try

our best to convert ourselves to be like Prahlad , through sincere

Namasankeertanam , as that is the only way we can try to reach Him in Kaliyug.

Till such time we have to be satisfied with Archa Avatarams.

Adiyen

Ramanuja Dasan- G.Sampath.

Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram wrote:

sRI :

the lord promises to appear when there is a decline in dharma. but srimad

bhagavatam says that the lord is tri yuga and is hidden in kali yuga (channau

kalau). does it mean there is no decline of dharma in kali yuga ?

or is it because the lord has appeared as arca vigrahas ? or is it because the

lord will appear at the end of kali yuga as kalki, when adharma will be fully

ripe ? if the lord does appear in kali yuga keeping his promise of appearing in

all yugas, why should he be called tri yuga in srimad bhagavatham ?

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SRIMATE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA

Lord comes in the form of sadhus in kaliyuga unlike the other yugas as per

Bhagvatam.It is said that Sri Nammalvar was also an avatar of ADINATHA PERUMAL

of KORUGOOR.Sri Desika says that Sri Ramanuja was also an avatar of lord in his

YATIRAJA SAPTADI.

Archa is also said to be HIS AVATARA.

dasan

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 Sampath G wrote :

>

>Dear Bhagavathas

>

>The Lord appears on this earth through an Avatar only to fulfill the folowing :

>Sadhu Samrakshanam ,

>Dushta Nigraham and

>Dharma Sthapanam .

>Yes, in Kaliyuga , the Dharma is on decline now. No doubt on this. The number

of evil people are also on the increase. But till the Lord locates the Sadhu, as

per HIS definition , He will not take an avatar to save that sadhu . So we are

yet to get a sadhu like Prahlad , in our midst and once we get such a person ,

we will have the blessings of His avatar. So it should be our endeavour to try

our best to convert ourselves to be like Prahlad , through sincere

Namasankeertanam , as that is the only way we can try to reach Him in Kaliyug.

>Till such time we have to be satisfied with Archa Avatarams.

>Adiyen

>Ramanuja Dasan- G.Sampath.

>

>Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram wrote:

>

>sRI :

>

>the lord promises to appear when there is a decline in dharma. but srimad

bhagavatam says that the lord is tri yuga and is hidden in kali yuga (channau

kalau). does it mean there is no decline of dharma in kali yuga ?

>

>or is it because the lord has appeared as arca vigrahas ? or is it because the

lord will appear at the end of kali yuga as kalki, when adharma will be fully

ripe ? if the lord does appear in kali yuga keeping his promise of appearing in

all yugas, why should he be called tri yuga in srimad bhagavatham ?

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March 3, 2005

Dear Sri Ananthapadmanabhan -

Thanks for the point by point explanation. I agree that direct incarnation needs

the a great devotee capable of attracting the lord like prahalad. It also makes

sense in one way that the lord could come "wrapped", for want of a better term.

Best Regards

Rajaram V.

k ananthapadmanabhan <krisanantha wrote:

Dear Venkatramani,

Dwelling over these points might get you some clarity.

1. Avatara hi asankhyeyah - Essentially many avatars, not just ten

2. Swamy Desikan refers to about 30 avatars in his Rahsya Traya Saram.

Pancharatra samhita lists 39. The ten we know commonly are the major ones

3. Many are auxiliary avatars; the lord does anupravesha (entry into the

designated person's soul).

4. The Gautama Buddha as we know, is NOT considered to be one of the ten major

avatars. However there is a reference to an Adi Buddha as an auxiliary avatar.

Here the idea is that Baghavan deliberately lead the evil ones on the path of

such Kudrushti mathams as part of their Karmic cycle.

5. On the question of Tri Yuga- He incarnates in the tri yugas & in the Kali his

incarnation could be a "wrapped one". That probably explains "Channah Kalou".

This view is reinforced by the fact that our Azhwars themselves are said to have

played such roles .

6. As regards decline of Dharma, pls note that it is not a “sufficient

condition” warranting his direct presence. Prahlada like Bagavathas are

required.

Thanks,

Ananthapadmanabhan

Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram wrote:

Dear Sri Ananthapadmanabhan -

Thanks you. My question are

1) Why is the lord called tri yuga in Srimad Bhagavatham when there is kalki and

buddha avatar ?

2) What does channa kalau mean ? There are avataras and the lord himself

promises to appear in every yuga whenever there is a decline in dharma and a

need to protect sadhus from followers of adharma.

Best Regards

Rajaram V.

k ananthapadmanabhan <krisanantha wrote:

Dear Sri Rajaram

I too have wondered like you. When one looks around & gets a feel for the level

of moral decadence & degeneration such a question is very natural.

Being ignorant of our shastras & their powerful interpretations, I had the

opportunity to discus this with certain enlightened people of our sampradayam.

I am stating below their considered view

Bagavan has sadhu paritranam as the compelling reason for an avataram.

Destroying evil forces is an incidental agenda & not the primary reason for his

avataram. So he needs Bagavathas of the caliber of Prahalada. When such

bagavatas are in danger he most certainly incarnates.

Thanks,

Ananthapadmanabhan

tatachar wrote:

Dear Sriman Rajaram,

The secret of avatara is clearly stated in Chapter 4 of Bhagavadgita in the

first few verses. Here there

are no number, form, or space limitation. Avatra

happens when the balance between dharma and adharma is

tilted more towards adharma:

yada dharmasya ghlAnir hi (Dharma over shadowed)

abhi yada abdharmasya utthAnam bhavati (Adharma triumphs).

Taken this way, avatara is happening more or less all the time. In the face of

adharma, better sense prevails, some great soul raises to protect the humanity

from imminent danger. These are the leaders we celebrate. Just the major ones

are recognized and celebrated (like the dashavatarams).

Just remember dharma and adharma ever co-exist,

mutually competing (paraspara kalaham). Whichever wins

brings the out come in that situation.

All our puranas and sampradayams are nothing but built in

safety valves. Sometimes these valves themselves

create problems as they get corrupted and wrong

priorities are set for whatever reason

(we all have tens of examples for this).

That is when religious reformation

takes place to re-establish truth (dharma)

and slay corrupted traditions and thoughts

(Ramanujacharya had to walk out of his wife

who was preoccupied with caste superiority).

These reformers are avatarams.

Where is the question of time and

number limitation?

I think puranams should not be

taken as the whole pramanams. They are more

contextual. That is why they are not prasthana

trayams. If you read

Mahabharata, each hero in a given context is

described as the best and the greatest.

That is all true. But if you look at the whole

fewer heroes stick out. That is why only

a small part of Mahabharatham is a prasthana trayam.

Just ask how many great sons,

daughters and parents are there in this world?

Answer will be in billions! Are they wrong? No.

Are they right? No.

Please bare this in mind while reading Puranams.

You should not get stuck on one phrase

here and there. That will cause confusion,

worse yet you miss the higher truth.

If you get a chance, watch or read

Joseph Campbell and the power of Myth

with Bill Moyers.

It helped me, it may help you too.

With that, I am able

to better appreciate our sanatana dharmam.

dAsan

K.S. tAtAchAr

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March 3, 2005

thanks. it is also on the same lines as sri ananthapadmanabhan.

Vasan Sriranga Chari <vasan_chari_hk wrote: