Guest guest Report post Posted November 5, 2004 Namaste to all the learned people here. I have a small question and am hoping that someone might be able to answer it to me please. I do not have a guru and do not know where to get one too. Is it important to reach God one must have a Guru?? I know a lot has been said in the Vedic literature for the Guru and its importance but what does a person do if he/she cannot get a guru?? Can that person not reach the Lord through his/her own meditative powers? Did the ancient rishis have gurus further on? There are lots of examples of people who did not have gurus and yet progressed much ahead. Can I ask for Lord Shiva to be my Guru or just meditate on him?? The Shiva Samhita mentions "Om Aim Klim Strim" to be the mantra to be meditated upon. No method has been given for its pronunciation or methodology. Can this mantra be chanted whenever one wants or is it neccesary to be chanted only during the Brahma Muhurata from 3-6 AM?? Similarily the mantra of Om Namah Shivaye can be chanted at anytime? What is the most potent method of its chanting?? Can someone please elighten me on these questions?? Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 8, 2004 dear dan, guru is the supreme principle in you.there is no difference between paramatma and the guru.guru means one who leads from the darkness of ignorance to the light of knowledge.guru is not confined to only a person."bhavaateetam trigunarahitam"he is beyond all attributes.the physical form of sri guru is a prateek(symbol) of the guru tattva in you.guru is our real self..whom we are always trying to know.so it dosent matter whom u take as ur guru.it may be bhagwan krishna,shiva,kali or any enlightened master.but it is said that there is no comparison to the good luck of a person who has managed to get the presence of a living guru (i.e the guru who is perceived as a person). soham aditya , "Danny" <danboy@s...> wrote: > > Namaste to all the learned people here. I have a small question and am hoping that someone might be able to answer it to me please. > > I do not have a guru and do not know where to get one too. Is it important to reach God one must have a Guru?? I know a lot has been said in the Vedic literature for the Guru and its importance but what does a person do if he/she cannot get a guru?? Can that person not reach the Lord through his/her own meditative powers? Did the ancient rishis have gurus further on? There are lots of examples of people who did not have gurus and yet progressed much ahead. > > Can I ask for Lord Shiva to be my Guru or just meditate on him?? > > The Shiva Samhita mentions "Om Aim Klim Strim" to be the mantra to be meditated upon. No method has been given for its pronunciation or methodology. Can this mantra be chanted whenever one wants or is it neccesary to be chanted only during the Brahma Muhurata from 3-6 AM?? Similarily the mantra of Om Namah Shivaye can be chanted at anytime? What is the most potent method of its chanting?? > > Can someone please elighten me on these questions?? > > Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 8, 2004 JAI GURUDEV Namaste Dan, > Is it important to reach God one must have a Guru?? Reaching God and performing sadhanas are two different things; though, you usually reach God by performing sadhanas. You don't need a Guru to reach God; but, you certainly need one if you are going to perform taantrik/maantrik sadhanas. > Did the ancient rishis have gurus further on? Yes. > There are lots of examples of people who did not > have gurus and yet progressed much ahead. Progressed! In sadhanas? > No method has been given for its pronunciation > or methodology. That's why you need a Guru who can teach you the pronunciation and the method. May God bless you. Ashish... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 8, 2004 Dear Danny, You are looking for GURU ONCE i was like you ultimately i understand the concept of guru Guru is a sleeping Guide inside our mind It is very difficult to reach him Through meditation it can be possible Guru is our conciousness namasivayam --- Danny <danboy wrote: > > Namaste to all the learned people here. I have a > small question and am hoping that someone might be > able to answer it to me please. > > I do not have a guru and do not know where to get > one too. Is it important to reach God one must have > a Guru?? I know a lot has been said in the Vedic > literature for the Guru and its importance but what > does a person do if he/she cannot get a guru?? Can > that person not reach the Lord through his/her own > meditative powers? Did the ancient rishis have gurus > further on? There are lots of examples of people who > did not have gurus and yet progressed much ahead. > > Can I ask for Lord Shiva to be my Guru or just > meditate on him?? > > The Shiva Samhita mentions "Om Aim Klim Strim" to be > the mantra to be meditated upon. No method has been > given for its pronunciation or methodology. Can this > mantra be chanted whenever one wants or is it > neccesary to be chanted only during the Brahma > Muhurata from 3-6 AM?? Similarily the mantra of Om > Namah Shivaye can be chanted at anytime? What is the > most potent method of its chanting?? > > Can someone please elighten me on these questions?? > > Dan > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2004 Namaste Aditya, Yes i can associate with what you are saying very well. From the meditation point of view i know i do not require anyone to guide me. The light is within me and i just have to go inside me to find it. Its only that for practising mantras one needs a guru?? Is not the chant of the mantra the same? Is not Om Namah Shivaye chanted one way only?? Is not the vibration of this mantra associated with Lord Shiva and does chanting it not call upon him?? Am i not resonating with his power as i chant this mantra? How can a human who is himself full of errors be a guru to someone else?? Only if he has become one with God himself can he tell others abt it or does it not matter?? If mantra sadhana is a science then it must be precise and documented and no further help need be required besides the knowledge of attaining the goal. But it does not seem to be the case here. Can you help me on this. My questions are relating to Mantra Sadhana. I understand the part that you told me and thats the path i follow as of now. Love and Light Dan Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:59:01 -0000 "aditya" <tantrasiddhi Re: Small Question dear dan, guru is the supreme principle in you.there is no difference between paramatma and the guru.guru means one who leads from the darkness of ignorance to the light of knowledge.guru is not confined to only a person."bhavaateetam trigunarahitam"he is beyond all attributes.the physical form of sri guru is a prateek(symbol) of the guru tattva in you.guru is our real self..whom we are always trying to know.so it dosent matter whom u take as ur guru.it may be bhagwan krishna,shiva,kali or any enlightened master.but it is said that there is no comparison to the good luck of a person who has managed to get the presence of a living guru (i.e the guru who is perceived as a person). soham aditya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2004 Namaste Namasivayam, Yes i know what you tell me. The real Guru is inside us all and the answer to all questions also resides inside us. It is difficult to reach him as long as we let this Maya distract us and keep us blindfolded. The moment we lift this veil everything becomes clear. What i meant by a Guru was for Mantra Sadhana. Love and Light Dan Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:10:04 -0800 (PST) nama siva <nama_sivam Re: Small Question Dear Danny, You are looking for GURU ONCE i was like you ultimately i understand the concept of guru Guru is a sleeping Guide inside our mind It is very difficult to reach him Through meditation it can be possible Guru is our conciousness namasivayam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2004 Namaste Ashish, Yes, from your reply this thing becomes more clearer to me. SO there are many ways to reach God but one has to follow that way rigidly. As an example if i meditate on myself, on the I AM presence inside me then i cannot combine that with worshipping the Goddess Laxmi or Lord Shiva?? For that I need to have a Guru who will have to initiate me for that?? Are not sadhana's meant to reach God? Are Tantrik and Mantrik Sadhanas meant to gain material and spiritual gains/pleasures?? Is it not the road to God? Do i need someone to help me walk the road? What if i live alone on an Island with no Guru near me. Can I not reach God without a Guru to help me?? Is not the chanting of Mantras precise. Om-Aum, Strim-Streem, Namaha-Namaye, So Om Aim Klim Strim can be pronounced only one way and for the rest it is my devotion in uttering that mantra which will enable my energies to vibrate at the same level. For me you are a Guru if you can teach me the mantra and its recitation and then someone else who can teach me another mantra. We are learning everyday and one day we are the student and the next we are the teacher. Only someone who has gained perfection in this can be a Guru to someone else. So many of you nice people tell people how to utter mantras and when to do so including the methodology, do you not become gurus then? For me you are all Gurus too who are filling me with information. Would that be wrong? Love and Light Dan Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:46:02 -0000 "tantra_shakti" <tantra_shakti Re: Small Question JAI GURUDEV Namaste Dan, > Is it important to reach God one must have a Guru?? Reaching God and performing sadhanas are two different things; though, you usually reach God by performing sadhanas. You don't need a Guru to reach God; but, you certainly need one if you are going to perform taantrik/maantrik sadhanas. > Did the ancient rishis have gurus further on? Yes. > There are lots of examples of people who did not > have gurus and yet progressed much ahead. Progressed! In sadhanas? > No method has been given for its pronunciation > or methodology. That's why you need a Guru who can teach you the pronunciation and the method. May God bless you. Ashish... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2004 Dear Danny, Guru is an external thing. Search for a guru but also remember that guru will come searching for you when you are ready.This is a dialectical thing. No use rationalising things that you are your guru or your internal consciousness is your guru.Thats all crap made by intellectual jugglerists. Guru of a human form is always good. also there is something called moksha guru for ur destined path. I will tell about this later. till then keep the faith, urs yogically, Dattu , nama siva <nama_sivam> wrote: > > Dear Danny, > You are looking for GURU > ONCE i was like you > ultimately i understand the concept of guru > Guru is a sleeping Guide inside our mind > It is very difficult to reach him > Through meditation it can be possible > Guru is our conciousness > namasivayam > > --- Danny <danboy@s...> wrote: > > > > > Namaste to all the learned people here. I have a > > small question and am hoping that someone might be > > able to answer it to me please. > > > > I do not have a guru and do not know where to get > > one too. Is it important to reach God one must have > > a Guru?? I know a lot has been said in the Vedic > > literature for the Guru and its importance but what > > does a person do if he/she cannot get a guru?? Can > > that person not reach the Lord through his/her own > > meditative powers? Did the ancient rishis have gurus > > further on? There are lots of examples of people who > > did not have gurus and yet progressed much ahead. > > > > Can I ask for Lord Shiva to be my Guru or just > > meditate on him?? > > > > The Shiva Samhita mentions "Om Aim Klim Strim" to be > > the mantra to be meditated upon. No method has been > > given for its pronunciation or methodology. Can this > > mantra be chanted whenever one wants or is it > > neccesary to be chanted only during the Brahma > > Muhurata from 3-6 AM?? Similarily the mantra of Om > > Namah Shivaye can be chanted at anytime? What is the > > most potent method of its chanting?? > > > > Can someone please elighten me on these questions?? > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2004 Sounds like you have studied scriptures, which is good but it cannot give the lasting realization that a spiritual seeker long for. It has to come out of ones perpetual or ceaseless effort or in other word one have to experience what the ultimate truth is!! And to realise this, Guru is the only medium and by the grace of him seekers find the ultimate truth. Without a True Guru, chances are remote, I would say parts per billion. I believe that I am not wrong. There are always exceptions and one I have read about is the Great Ramana Maharshi. If your karma allows, you will find a real teacher but you must be clear what you want and your attitude matters most. If I remember correctly once Anu said: chant Gayatri Mantra regularly and pray to Lord Shiva to send you a True Guru. Be persistent on your effort and when you find one just submit yourself to that ultimate and limitless knowledge. Scriptures can't be wrong on Brahma Muhurata (4-6 AM) and it is very practical too. After a quick shower in the morning one become fully conscious and fresh to start up. It is very peaceful time too. Some of my friends consider it weired but that does not matter to me. I hope you got my points. Jaya Gurudev, Prakash One of Kabir's Intersting Dohas: Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na KoyeDhai Aakhar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye TranslationReading books everyone died, none became any wiseOne who reads the word of Love, only becomes wise Ref: http://www.boloji.com/kabir/dohas/kd13.htm Danny <danboy (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste to all the learned people here. I have a small question and am hoping that someone might be able to answer it to me please.I do not have a guru and do not know where to get one too. Is it important to reach God one must have a Guru?? I know a lot has been said in the Vedic literature for the Guru and its importance but what does a person do if he/she cannot get a guru?? Can that person not reach the Lord through his/her own meditative powers? Did the ancient rishis have gurus further on? There are lots of examples of people who did not have gurus and yet progressed much ahead.Can I ask for Lord Shiva to be my Guru or just meditate on him??The Shiva Samhita mentions "Om Aim Klim Strim" to be the mantra to be meditated upon. No method has been given for its pronunciation or methodology. Can this mantra be chanted whenever one wants or is it neccesary to be chanted only during the Brahma Muhurata from 3-6 AM?? Similarily the mantra of Om Namah Shivaye can be chanted at anytime? What is the most potent method of its chanting??Can someone please elighten me on these questions??DanJay Gurudev Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Dear Danny, If you want to travel the path of sadhna and siddhi then you have to begin your search for a SadGuru. You have to first attain Siddhi of SadGuru and only then can you get success in any other Sadhna or Mantra Jaap. It is said that reading Hanuman Chalisa may also lead you to your SadGuru. You may start by praying to any Divine Being you believe in and request the Lord to lead you to your SadGuru. Sadhna is not an easy task, but the SadGuru may show you a simpler way of getting great achievements in a shortlife span as a human being. Afterall, there is so much to achieve and so little time left. Try being a perfect person for a week, a day or just an hour and you will realize how difficult it can be to achieve this. Achieving success in Sadhna is an even more difficult task. I hope this anology will help you in understanding the importance of the SadGuru. My prayers and best wishes are with you in your search for the eternal SadGuru. May you be blessed with the divine love of the SadGuru. Jai Guru Dev! Rgnikhil , "Danny" <danboy@s...> wrote: > > Namaste to all the learned people here. I have a small question and am hoping that someone might be able to answer it to me please. > > I do not have a guru and do not know where to get one too. Is it important to reach God one must have a Guru?? I know a lot has been said in the Vedic literature for the Guru and its importance but what does a person do if he/she cannot get a guru?? Can that person not reach the Lord through his/her own meditative powers? Did the ancient rishis have gurus further on? There are lots of examples of people who did not have gurus and yet progressed much ahead. > > Can I ask for Lord Shiva to be my Guru or just meditate on him?? > > The Shiva Samhita mentions "Om Aim Klim Strim" to be the mantra to be meditated upon. No method has been given for its pronunciation or methodology. Can this mantra be chanted whenever one wants or is it neccesary to be chanted only during the Brahma Muhurata from 3-6 AM?? Similarily the mantra of Om Namah Shivaye can be chanted at anytime? What is the most potent method of its chanting?? > > Can someone please elighten me on these questions?? > > Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2004 There we go again.. on this age old Question... "Guru or not" Danny, if you dont like /want/ cant have a Guru thats fine.. how hard it to understand that people in this group are biased (and that includes me too.. 100%) that Guru is must. Can you please not put flames like this... We here are in search for something which is normally beyound the comprehension... so please.. if you cant be a part of the solution, at least dont be a part of the problem. As far as Having a Guru is concerened... Some time back I was readhing a book on Aghor, after reading some discussion of Dattu. And there is a text which I would like to bring to everyones notice, specially, please dont do into the technicalities of the problem.. instead just try to see what I find very interesting... It says as follows..." A lot of Indian saints have done Karn Pishachini Sadhans. Once should do it, though she is very demanding. Once you think you have moved on, you can always go to your guru and get her removed it from you" It was something like that... Now I fully know Bade Gurudev had, in one of his book strictly said that one should not do this sadhan. But apart from that, can you see how easily author has said "Get it removed from you Guru" Now I dont know how many people here know about Karn Pishachini, but those who know, knows very well that its a very tough and a hard. So removing it also would not be easy, but only a Guru can do it. Even Lord Ram, and Krishna, when they get incarnated make Gurus, They know everything, off course they know "Om Namah Shivay" But still they do it.. I hope that should give some answer to this question, "Guru or Not". There is one more story I would like to tell, may be next time.. Sorry if I had hurt someone... no intentions of doing that... Thanks Dp Danny wrote: Namaste Ashish, Yes, from your reply this thing becomes more clearer to me. SO there are many ways to reach God but one has to follow that way rigidly. As an example if i meditate on myself, on the I AM presence inside me then i cannot combine that with worshipping the Goddess Laxmi or Lord Shiva?? For that I need to have a Guru who will have to initiate me for that?? Are not sadhana's meant to reach God? Are Tantrik and Mantrik Sadhanas meant to gain material and spiritual gains/pleasures?? Is it not the road to God? Do i need someone to help me walk the road? What if i live alone on an Island with no Guru near me. Can I not reach God without a Guru to help me?? Is not the chanting of Mantras precise. Om-Aum, Strim-Streem, Namaha-Namaye, So Om Aim Klim Strim can be pronounced only one way and for the rest it is my devotion in uttering that mantra which will enable my energies to vibrate at the same level. For me you are a Guru if you can teach me the mantra and its recitation and then someone else who can teach me another mantra. We are learning everyday and one day we are the student and the next we are the teacher. Only someone who has gained perfection in this can be a Guru to someone else. So many of you nice people tell people how to utter mantras and when to do so including the methodology, do you not become gurus then? For me you are all Gurus too who are filling me with information. Would that be wrong? Love and Light Dan Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:46:02 -0000 "tantra_shakti" <tantra_shakti > Re: Small Question JAI GURUDEV Namaste Dan, Is it important to reach God one must have a Guru?? Reaching God and performing sadhanas are two different things; though, you usually reach God by performing sadhanas. You don't need a Guru to reach God; but, you certainly need one if you are going to perform taantrik/maantrik sadhanas. Did the ancient rishis have gurus further on? Yes. There are lots of examples of people who did not have gurus and yet progressed much ahead. Progressed! In sadhanas? No method has been given for its pronunciation or methodology. That's why you need a Guru who can teach you the pronunciation and the method. May God bless you. Ashish... ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click./L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/wpWolB/TM --~-> Jay Gurudev<*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Namaste Dhirendra Ji, I am sorry if I have said something to have offended you so much. I am just a simple devotee of the Lord who was just looking to find answers to my questions. I had no idea that I would stumble on a beehive. I had no idea that my asking questions would put flames here. I have nothing to burn except my ego and for that I do not need to put flames here. It look slike i have commited a grave crime and for that I ask for forgiveness from all the distinguished people here. As for the Aghori path. I think it stems from the most basic of emotions where nothin is sacred and nuthing is evil. Its one of the most non dualistic way to reach God. If we do not look upon their appearences and way of living they are every bit like us full of love. I had not asked about Karn Pishachini sadhana but it was nice of you to have told me about it. I have no intention of doing it. Yes Lord Rama and Krishna both must have had Gurus but then if incarnations of God also require Gurus then who are we to do without one. I am highly tempted to add that even though they had Gurus, it would have been intresting to see who would have learnt from whom. I am not debating abt the need of a Guru. I was merely asking about what kind of a guru is needed and that can Lord Shiva be taken for a Guru. If people here are biased abt gurus that is fine by me. I did not intent to shake their faith in the same. It seems that the ver mention of such a thing lessens a persons patience and makes him upset. I am sorry if thats the reason. I am merely a person asking for directions. I did not know that asking the way would cause problems for the people on the road themselves. I thank you all for trying to help me. I have found my answer. Om Tat Sat Dan > Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:02:19 -0800 > Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh > Re: Re: Small Question > > There we go again.. on this age old Question... "Guru or not" > Danny, if you dont like /want/ cant have a Guru thats fine.. how hard it > to understand that people in this group are biased (and that includes me > too.. 100%) that Guru is must. Can you please not put flames like > this... We here are in search for something which is normally beyound > the comprehension... so please.. if you cant be a part of the solution, > at least dont be a part of the problem. > > As far as Having a Guru is concerened... > Some time back I was readhing a book on Aghor, after reading some > discussion of Dattu. And there is a text which I would like to bring to > everyones notice, specially, please dont do into the technicalities of > the problem.. instead just try to see what I find very interesting... > It says as follows..." > A lot of Indian saints have done Karn Pishachini Sadhans. Once should do > it, though she is very demanding. Once you think you have moved on, you > can always go to your guru and get her removed it from you" > It was something like that... Now I fully know Bade Gurudev had, in one > of his book strictly said that one should not do this sadhan. But apart > from that, can you see how easily author has said "Get it removed from > you Guru" > Now I dont know how many people here know about Karn Pishachini, but > those who know, knows very well that its a very tough and a hard. So > removing it also would not be easy, but only a Guru can do it. > Even Lord Ram, and Krishna, when they get incarnated make Gurus, They > know everything, off course they know "Om Namah Shivay" But still they > do it.. > I hope that should give some answer to this question, "Guru or Not". > > There is one more story I would like to tell, may be next time.. > > Sorry if I had hurt someone... no intentions of doing that... > > Thanks > Dp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2004 Hello Dan, Greetings. As per the voices of great saints and even from the puranas (guru gita), yoga vashishta and numerous outher sources, A guru is the most assured way of reaching god. "Guru bin kaun bataye bat", meaning without a guru, who can show the path" was how one saint expressed the need for a guru. The Guru Gita clearly states that only the guru can lead one to the ultimate goal. Lord Rama, Krishna, Vashistha, Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, all the great men had gurus. There are rare exceptions, but if Lord Rama and Lord Krishna needed gurus, who are we ? Hope this helps. Also to really appreciate the necessity of a guru, I recommend you read the trilogy "Churning Of the Heart" by Swami Shivom Tirth". It is an excellent series of by a well know Shaktipat Master in India. It deals with the teachings of his guru throughout his evolution as a new initiate to become a spiritual master. His sincereity is genuine and come forth clearly. These are amongst the best books I have read for serious spiritual aspirant. The book has an email address : sstirth and the ashram sells the books for a discounted price. Drop them an email if you are intersted. Best Wishes and Regards, -Epsi , "tantra_shakti" <tantra_shakti> wrote: > > > JAI GURUDEV > Namaste Dan, > > > Is it important to reach God one must have a Guru?? > > Reaching God and performing sadhanas are two different things; > though, you usually reach God by performing sadhanas. You don't need > a Guru to reach God; but, you certainly need one if you are going to > perform taantrik/maantrik sadhanas. > > > Did the ancient rishis have gurus further on? > > Yes. > > > There are lots of examples of people who did not > > have gurus and yet progressed much ahead. > > Progressed! In sadhanas? > > > No method has been given for its pronunciation > > or methodology. > > That's why you need a Guru who can teach you the pronunciation and > the method. > > May God bless you. > > Ashish... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2004 Dear Sir, I would like somebody to clarifying my doubts to the point. When Shiva created the mantras and passed it on to this world with the keelakas, then he should have pased it to somebody. Who was the first recepient of the mantras from Lord Shiva? Secondly Kalidasa took his wife to be his Guru after he attained the divya darshan of Kali. But before that who was his Guru and how was he initiated into meditating on Goddess Kali for his sadhana? Om Namah Shivaya Kindly reply, S Rajkumar.Danny <danboy (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
