!st Cyber Hi

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

 

I'm Sandeep, an Indian guy of 28,working for an American Insurance

grp in New Delhi, India.

Came to know abt this group from my sister and thought of joining it-

and lo!! when went to the home page, there saw the pic of Shrimaliji-

and it sent me back to my university days at Jodhpur..where I had

spent 6 yrs of my life studing my Engineering and then MBA, living

very close to Shrimalij...so thats one of the reasons to join the grp.

 

Well this is my introductory mail..and am interested to now abt this

grp in detail....Is it any sort of cult or anything else??

 

Eagerly waiting to recv msgs from other members of the grp.

 

Take care,

Sandeep.

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Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:20 PM

!st Cyber Hi

Hi Everyone,I'm Sandeep, an Indian guy of 28,working for an American Insurance

grp in New Delhi, India.Came to know abt this group from my sister and thought

of joining it-and lo!! when went to the home page, there saw the pic of

Shrimaliji-and it sent me back to my university days at Jodhpur..where I had

spent 6 yrs of my life studing my Engineering and then MBA, living very close

to Shrimalij...so thats one of the reasons to join the grp.Well this is my

introductory mail..and am interested to now abt this grp in detail....Is it any

sort of cult or anything else??Eagerly waiting to recv msgs from other members

of the grp.Take care,Sandeep.Jay GurudevYour use of is subject to

the

[Guest guest]

---

 

hello sandeep,

I.

>

> Well this is my introductory mail..and am interested to now abt this

> grp in detail....Is it any sort of cult or anything else??

>

 

nothing is a cult as long as rationality of mind is sustained and you

pass whatever you take through the sieves of reason.

i think it depends on the way it is practiced.

 

to some yes, it seems to be a cult. but to some i guess it is not.

 

> Eagerly waiting to recv msgs from other members of the grp.

 

not too many write back to me. i hope you are luckier!!

 

good wishes,

anu

 

 

>

 

> Take care,

> Sandeep.

[Guest guest]

>

> > Eagerly waiting to recv msgs from other members of

> the grp.

>

> not too many write back to me. i hope you are

> luckier!!

>

 

I know that all of us have a very busy schedule but I

was thinking that if all of us could get together

sometime like in a chat or something and share our

thoughts expereiences etc. It wld be gr8. I visit our

site everyday (www.siddhashram.org) and it is not

updated regularly. Because of my specific

circumstances I dont even get to read the Magazine on

a regular basis. So I was thinking if we cld share a

few thoughts sometimes and ofcourse not just limited

to our spiritual school.

 

s

> good wishes,

> anu

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

hello seren and others,

your idea is really nice. i am sure active members will like to

consider it. i am bit allergic personally to online chatting and will

like to be excused. however, i am always happy to exchange mails with

you all.

 

 

.. So I was thinking if we cld share a

> few thoughts sometimes and ofcourse not just limited

> to our spiritual school.

>

>

after birendra now a days i am also trying to misuse this medium to

express my views on any thing i wish to perhaps taking liberty with

the fact that i am here for a while now. come on, after reading about

the mismanagement and clash of egoes, the folly on both sides that

first led to the partition of india, and then then the shoddiness with

which it was handled, the panic that was unnecssary created in the

name of partition which led to the massacre of atlest 2 million

people in the subcontinent,

 

reading about waves in the environment and siddhashram yogis caring

for us is no solace. Come on, did siddhashram come into existence

after independence? Ok if "i" am saved for being in the right side of

the yogis and for chanting some mantras and singing hyms of of the

kind as to "Oh lord, how eautiful is your nose" what about millions of

other innocents?

 

so once again taking some liberty, but perhaps the last time...

in a minor voice against the rise of hindu militancy. i quote from

some thing closer to my senses

 

GUJRAT AND NARENDRA MODI

 

That we are all proud that our beloved Prime Minister Mr. Atal Bihari

Vajapayee is a poet, there can be no doubt. But poets in their

melancholy world sometimes forget the proper sequence of certain

events and things begin to loose perspective.

 

No doubt that Godhra and burning of the Sabarmati Express came before

the Gujarat reprisals, but did not the show of force by thousands of

k****vaks, wearing red head-bands and converging on Ayodhya shouting

provacative slogans raise passions?

 

Did not the VHP pronouncements of commencing the building of the Ram

temple on 15th March and the declaration that the Supreme Court

verdict would not be accepted if it went against their declared stand,

create tension?

 

Did the PM or anyone in the government condemn this blatant

degradation and defiance of the highest

court in the country?

 

Let me assure you once again that every right thinking Indian, cutting

across community lines, condemned the unpardonable carnage of innocent

people by burning of the Sabarmati Express near Godhra. We condemn it

once again.

 

But does that absolve the massacres that have been taking place in

Gujarat for almost a month thereafter? These are not spontaneous

reactions. These are well planned attacks. The information gathered

monthsearlier by Sangh Parivar activists proved useful in selectively

burning down minority factories, business premises and houses, many a

time along with the inmates.

 

Let us not blame the ISI for every ill in our land. Let us examine the

patient or else it will die without a diagnosis having been made as we

pretend that all is well. The perpetrators of the Godhra carnage

should be hounded and brought to justice. So also the others who made

mayhem while the police looked the other way.

 

Fanatics of whicher hue, colour or community should not be allowed to

browbeat the majority of the peaceful, tolerant and close knit fabric

of Indian, secular society. The government would do well to carry out

an honest introspection.

 

Let us pray for wisdom for our leaders, tolerance for the masses and

also for divine intervention, so that peace may prevail and India can

resume its journey on the road to progress.

 

India is more important and precious than any individual.

 

Brig (Retd) Ian da Costa,

Saligao.

 

 

jaigurudev

anu

[Guest guest]

dear anu,

> . So I was thinking if we cld share a

> > few thoughts sometimes and ofcourse not just limited

> > to our spiritual school.

> >

> >

> after birendra now a days i am also trying to misuse this medium to

> express my views on any thing i wish to perhaps taking liberty with

> the fact that i am here for a while now.

 

hey anu, that is not fair, i was trying to throw more knowledge given

to us by sages, yes i agree that i surrond it with some of my stuff

to that,but that is done with a good intention, but sometimes after

i have posted it strikes to me that it was unnecessary to write my

stuff... but its my nature i cant help it, well iam monitoring it,

but i think it will not be complettly cured, please bear with it.

if it hurts people iam really sorry to all, those who got hurt by my

postings.

if whenever any of you people feel hurt, pls let me know, ill try to

see the mistake and correct it.

 

 

 

 

 

>

> reading about waves in the environment and siddhashram yogis caring

> for us is no solace. Come on, did siddhashram come into existence

> after independence? Ok if "i" am saved for being in the right side

of

> the yogis and for chanting some mantras and singing hyms of of the

> kind as to "Oh lord, how eautiful is your nose" what about millions

of

> other innocents?

 

Anu you have to think that one reaps what one has sowed. God has

nothing to do with it, he by his grace, infact tries to save us, even

though we are ineligble for it...

Please dont blame lord or yogis, they have sacrificed their

life/exiistence for the Love and they should be respected/worshipped.

to know lord you should have heart filled with love, just judging by

outside actions/words dosent help

 

 

> No doubt that Godhra and burning of the Sabarmati Express came

before

> the Gujarat reprisals, but did not the show of force by thousands

of

> k****vaks, wearing red head-bands and converging on Ayodhya

shouting

> provacative slogans raise passions?

 

what you said is true,

anu a true believer/follower dosent believe in any form of

violence/mass killing , be it VHP k*****aks or some fanatic

muslims/ISI, revenge is not the reaction.as long as one has the

feeling to avenge, we will not be free from the viscious circle.

 

i remember Gurudev telling in speech that one should punish the

person for his wrong doing, but Gurudev dosent stop there he tells

that one should also show forgiveness.(becos that person is ignorant)

listen to Gurupoornima '96 cassettes.

 

so punish the person and once the person has realised his mistake

forgive it/take away the punishment.

(this dual action can only come out of true love) that is what even

krishna did to Karna.

 

But lot of us misinterpret Gurudev and think that he preached us to

avenge , which is very wrong understanding of Gurudevs teaching.

 

by generating love in our hearts by chanting gods name is one sure way

to get away from the habit of avenging...

for who knows/understands Love can only return love .

 

Sorry once again to all who got Hurt.

 

take care

Jai Gurudev

[Guest guest]

Hi Nazir,

 

, "Nazir Patel" <nazir1@r...> wrote:

> Word of Caution.

> I don't know about how Indian companies deal with

> monitoring employees usage of internet at work for

> personal reasons. However North American and others

> do monitor their workers and are quite strict especially when

> an employee is surfing during working hours.

> So keep that in mind. This is not to suggest that you are

> doing personal surfing on the job.

>

 

That is a very sensible remainder, earlier i lost one of my job due

to that stuff while i was working in singapore few yrs back, i was

new to working outside at that time, i didnt knew that they were

monitoring my interet activity, i was unaware of it, and no one told

me.

 

i dont know much about US but i believe that it will not be

different.

 

 

Good Luck

 

Jai Gurudev

[Guest guest]

> I know that all of us have a very busy schedule but I

> was thinking that if all of us could get together

> sometime like in a chat or something and share our

> thoughts expereiences etc. It wld be gr8. I visit our

> site everyday (www.siddhashram.org) and it is not

> updated regularly. Because of my specific

> circumstances I dont even get to read the Magazine on

> a regular basis. So I was thinking if we cld share a

> few thoughts sometimes and ofcourse not just limited

> to our spiritual school.

>

Hi s,

 

your idea is good , but i dont know if chatting would work, i think

we can raise a topic and do the posting over that topic.

 

 

good Luck

Jai Gurudev

[Guest guest]

well we are safe in india in this respect :-) but at the same time there is

not compromise on deliverables. even if u surf work should be done.

 

 

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when i write an email i can compile all stuff in a better way than i would

on chat. Also ego and anger goes down a lot when writting emails as compared

to chat.

 

but anyway we can give it a try. we can schedule to meet at sometime but i

don't know if i can do that. i can't access many chat sites from my company.

 

 

>

>birendra_m [birendra_m]

>Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:59 AM

>

> Re: !st Cyber Hi

>

>

>

>> I know that all of us have a very busy schedule but I

>> was thinking that if all of us could get together

>> sometime like in a chat or something and share our

>> thoughts expereiences etc. It wld be gr8. I visit our

>> site everyday (www.siddhashram.org) and it is not

>> updated regularly. Because of my specific

>> circumstances I dont even get to read the Magazine on

>> a regular basis. So I was thinking if we cld share a

>> few thoughts sometimes and ofcourse not just limited

>> to our spiritual school.

>>

>Hi s,

>

>your idea is good , but i dont know if chatting would work, i think

>we can raise a topic and do the posting over that topic.

>

>

>good Luck

>Jai Gurudev

>

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>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

 

 

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sandeep hang along and find it for urself whats it all abt.

 

>

>sons74 [sons74]

>Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:51 PM

>

> !st Cyber Hi

>

>

>Hi Everyone,

>

>I'm Sandeep, an Indian guy of 28,working for an American Insurance

>grp in New Delhi, India.

>Came to know abt this group from my sister and thought of joining it-

>and lo!! when went to the home page, there saw the pic of Shrimaliji-

>and it sent me back to my university days at Jodhpur..where I had

>spent 6 yrs of my life studing my Engineering and then MBA, living

>very close to Shrimalij...so thats one of the reasons to join the grp.

>

>Well this is my introductory mail..and am interested to now abt this

>grp in detail....Is it any sort of cult or anything else??

>

>Eagerly waiting to recv msgs from other members of the grp.

>

>Take care,

>Sandeep.

 

 

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come on, bhaiya,

i was not talking about being hurt. it is just that it is no solace

in this practical world.

so ultimately if we have to reap what we sow then that is it.

 

let us not be in solace of divine souls saving the humanity. we have

to save ourselves. so ultimately their presence is no solace that no

war will take place between india and pakistan and innocents will not

die.

as far as my point is concerned i never studied history properly in

school and it is somewhat lop sided. it hurts so much to see what was

hapening then, and how not first partition could have been prevented,

and if not it could have gone much much much p[eacefully. do you know

mountbatten was given the date of sept 48 to leave the country and he

could even have extended it and things could have been handled much

better. in fact there was a cabinet commission agreed uponin 46which

talked about a central government taking care of defence, foreign

affairs etc? but nehru later publically backed out of it after jinnah

had accepted. that when riots first broke out in calcutta on 16 august

47, the army was ordered to stand by and just watch. so i a,mm bit

hyper about it, because i always thought it had to be and that jinnah

was the culprit.

 

 

anyway,

i wish to express on one more thing. first every mantra that is

chanted should not be self manufactured with a wide range of

imagination but taken from a guru or in our case his books. so giving

a reference to mantras we al post here is a good idea.

then the case of tantrik shat karma

 

maran (killing another person)

mohan (attraction)

stambhan (stopping something)

vashikaran (subjugation)

ucchatan (removing interest in something)

vidweshan (make two peopel fight with each other)

 

i am quoting, to start with, from tantra sadhna by Dr shrimali

in which he says

"tantrik shat karma lobh marga hain. in par chal ke manushya ke patan

ki sambhavna banti hai"

 

tantra is not about thinking of yourself as powerful. interfering into

the auras of others in anyway has a very heavy karmic price to pay.

if you you use vashikarn on some one be sure that you will be

subjugated in due course of time. if you refrain from the use of such

things, your aura will be surrounded by a protective shield which will

protect you and perhaps if you have acquired enough spiritual power

throw back on them such attempts by others.

 

nothing should be ever attempted until the moralistic side has been

examined. and if you have a desire which interferes in the interests

of others, then the best policy to take even in chanting is surrender

to GURU/GOD whoever appeals to you more while honestly expressing your

desire as GOD knows it in anycase.

 

this was a very big mental hurdle in my accepting dr shrimali as my

gurua s to why is he maikng public mantras which take one towards lust

(apsara), or the kinds pertaining to say vashikaran where a person

acquires the power to harm others?

 

my understanding though not faultless is that the knowledge divulged

out is far from complete (keelit). and it will not work until say done

with a sense of samarpan to GOD/GURU. so in essence he takes care of

that part. for poepel who are trying tehes things without aguru,

please be very careful.

we are humans. we have all kinds of problems and all kinds of desires

and indeed there is nothing wrong with it. and whatever be aperson's

desire i think there exists a path which is within the realms of

dharma if we try to look hard enough to reach our goal.

jai guru dev

good wishes

anu

and by the way what i quoted was a letter i found by an army man. i

did not write it.

also it siraelly niice tio see taht sanmati exists, and peopel have

stopped sending "virus" over to the group. so god bless them with more

of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

- In , "birendra_m" <birendra_m> wrote:

> dear anu,

>

> > . So I was thinking if we cld share a

> > > few thoughts sometimes and ofcourse not just limited

> > > to our spiritual school.

> > >

> > >

> > after birendra now a days i am also trying to misuse this medium

to

> > express my views on any thing i wish to perhaps taking liberty

with

> > the fact that i am here for a while now.

>

> hey anu, that is not fair, i was trying to throw more knowledge

given

> to us by sages, yes i agree that i surrond it with some of my stuff

> to that,but that is done with a good intention, but sometimes after

> i have posted it strikes to me that it was unnecessary to write my

> stuff... but its my nature i cant help it, well iam monitoring it,

> but i think it will not be complettly cured, please bear with it.

> if it hurts people iam really sorry to all, those who got hurt by my

> postings.

> if whenever any of you people feel hurt, pls let me know, ill try to

> see the mistake and correct it.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > reading about waves in the environment and siddhashram yogis

caring

> > for us is no solace. Come on, did siddhashram come into existence

> > after independence? Ok if "i" am saved for being in the right side

> of

> > the yogis and for chanting some mantras and singing hyms of of the

> > kind as to "Oh lord, how eautiful is your nose" what about

millions

> of

> > other innocents?

>

> Anu you have to think that one reaps what one has sowed. God has

> nothing to do with it, he by his grace, infact tries to save us,

even

> though we are ineligble for it...

> Please dont blame lord or yogis, they have sacrificed their

> life/exiistence for the Love and they should be

respected/worshipped.

> to know lord you should have heart filled with love, just judging by

> outside actions/words dosent help

>

>

>

> > No doubt that Godhra and burning of the Sabarmati Express came

> before

> > the Gujarat reprisals, but did not the show of force by thousands

> of

> > k****vaks, wearing red head-bands and converging on Ayodhya

> shouting

> > provacative slogans raise passions?

>

> what you said is true,

> anu a true believer/follower dosent believe in any form of

> violence/mass killing , be it VHP k*****aks or some fanatic

> muslims/ISI, revenge is not the reaction.as long as one has the

> feeling to avenge, we will not be free from the viscious circle.

>

> i remember Gurudev telling in speech that one should punish the

> person for his wrong doing, but Gurudev dosent stop there he tells

> that one should also show forgiveness.(becos that person is

ignorant)

> listen to Gurupoornima '96 cassettes.

>

> so punish the person and once the person has realised his mistake

> forgive it/take away the punishment.

> (this dual action can only come out of true love) that is what even

> krishna did to Karna.

>

> But lot of us misinterpret Gurudev and think that he preached us to

> avenge , which is very wrong understanding of Gurudevs teaching.

>

> by generating love in our hearts by chanting gods name is one sure

way

> to get away from the habit of avenging...

> for who knows/understands Love can only return love .

>

> Sorry once again to all who got Hurt.

>

> take care

> Jai Gurudev