Guest guest Report post Posted January 19, 2002 Namaste! Anu asked a wonderful question- what exactly constitutes inner realisation. I was inclined to think that having dreams, visions, flying in the air ... all constitute inner realisation. After having thought about it, I came to the following conclusion- 1) able to keep your calmness, and not to get angry when provoked 2) able to have compassion, when insulted 3) able to have kindness, when abused 4) able to be truthful, no matter how painful it can be 5) able to practice forgiveness in the face of criticism 6) able to have courage to face whatever situation your situation in life is. so congragulations anu, you are indeed inner realised. Aum Namasivaya, Vijay Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 , Yoga man <childofdevi> wrote: > Namaste! > > Anu asked a wonderful question- what exactly > constitutes inner realisation. I was inclined to think > that having dreams, visions, flying in the air ... all > constitute inner realisation. After having thought > about it, I came to the following conclusion- > > 1) able to keep your calmness, and not to get angry > when provoked i did get angry > 2) able to have compassion, when insulted > 3) able to have kindness, when abused i think are breaking 1 point into three. as for me my aspiration is to bea true kshatriya who fights in the battlefield....these things have no meaning there > 4) able to be truthful, no matter how painful it can > be i do not think i will do so in a job interview, that makes me aa hypocrite, sorry but i still will not. > 5) able to practice forgiveness in the face of > criticism > 6) able to have courage to face whatever situation > your situation in life is. > there is no choice , even if your limbs get amputated you have to move on with whaat you have... > so congragulations anu, you are indeed inner realised. am i?? > good wishes jaigurudev anu > Aum Namasivaya, > Vijay > > > > Send FREE video emails in Mail! > http://promo./videomail/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 Self realised is not an easy job. I had been reciting shasrar jaagran mantra for more than a year and still i was just able to get very minute experiences out of this revered chakra. We have to do a concious control of our desires otherwise its impossible to get self realised in th presence of these desires. There should be only one desire and that should to be one with one's spiritual teacher or God or everything that exists. Its very true that unless one gives up all one can't get all and the only person who has as intense the longing as ojne who longs for air underwater only that person will be the just disciple for getting self realised. Pujya Gurudev has said in one of his pravachans about "Ashthvakra Gita". Gurudev said that the impotance of this book is even more than that of Bhagvad gita and all other gita's. if someone wants to get glimpse of what a self realised person is like then one should try to read this Gita. It is an valuable source of knowledge for anyone who only aim in life is know oneself. >> 2) able to have compassion, when insulted > >> 3) able to have kindness, when abused > >i think are breaking 1 point into three. as for me my aspiration is to >bea true kshatriya who fights in the battlefield....these things have >no meaning there Anu i think Sri Krishna behaved according to 2) and 3)rd point as given above even in battle field. One who knows himself, this world and everything that exists will remain unperturbed even in battle field for he is the one who rules. >> 4) able to be truthful, no matter how painful it can >> be > >i do not think i will do so in a job interview, that makes me aa >hypocrite, sorry but i still will not. If one tries to be truthful then one will come face to face with the reality of how much one knows and this wiull urge the truthful person to improve himself/herself. If a person is truthful he will live like a lion at workplace otherwise he/she will succumb to the wrong doings of the company sometime or the other. I know its pretty hard to be truthful and to adhere to all the policies laid down by company but if one does that i think that person will be someone great for he/she will be someone who will never succumb to any wrong doing. "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 , "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel@g...> wrote: > > Self realised is not an easy job. I had been reciting shasrar jaagran mantra > for more than a year and still i was just able to get very minute > experiences out of this revered chakra. > > but i do not want to become self realized....... > > > > Anu i think Sri Krishna behaved according to 2) and 3)rd point as > given above even in battle field. One who knows himself, this world and > everything that exists will remain unperturbed even in battle field for he > is the one who rules. > i really am not able to see that. i am spiritually way behnd you... to me killing of karna is anything but moral, or manipulating the sun light at duryodhan's time. BUt i accept that i do not understand it, tell krishna exactly what i think of him, he is allowed to think whatever he wishes to about this lost soul, that is fine... i have feeling he does not mind. he knows fully that religion has to come and help a person where he is....the person cannot climb up to th elevel of religion... > >> 4) able to be truthful, no matter how painful it can > >> be > > > >i do not think i will do so in a job interview, that makes me aa > >hypocrite, sorry but i still will not. > > If one tries to be truthful then one will come face to face with the reality > of how much one knows and this wiull urge the truthful person to improve > himself/herself. If a person is truthful he will live like a lion at > workplace otherwise he/she will succumb to the wrong doings of the company > sometime or the other. I know its pretty hard to be truthful and to adhere > to all the policies laid down by company but if one does that i think that > person will be someone great for he/she will be someone who will never > succumb to any wrong doing. > i am not a dishonest person by habit, but it is hypocacy to say i never lie. anyway, thanks a tin, i will try to be spiritaullay realized too. good wihses jaigurudev... anu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 Anu i was commenting on you when i was saying about self realization. It was general. >> but i do not want to become self realized....... "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 oh! god! typo! i meant Anu i was not commenting on you when i was saying about self realization. It was general. > >Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC) [anurag.goel] >Sunday, January 20, 2002 5:32 PM > >RE: Re: inner realisation > > > >Anu i was commenting on you when i was saying about self >realization. It was >general. > > >>> but i do not want to become self realized....... > > >"THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED >ONLY FOR THE >ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. >If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, >you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this >communication is strictly Prohibited. >If you have received this message by error, please notify us >immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the >message from your system." > > >------------------------ Sponsor >---------------------~--> >Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! >Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! >Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! >http://us.click./WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/wpWolB/TM >------------------------------ >------~-> > >Jay Gurudev > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 --- > oh! god! typo! i meant > > Anu i was not commenting on you when i was saying about self realization. It > was general. > > come on bhaiya i understand but i still am not interested in spiritaul upliftment etc. if i can do what i am supposed to very well, if i work it should be outstanding, if i cook it should be great, if i clean the room should shine if i dance it should be perfect (but it already is...) if i dress i should look mind bogglind if i pray i should do it with feeling if i chant i should do it with concentration. if i sing i should be less off tune... if i can practice before i preach i will be very content that i lead a good life. i do not want kundalini jagran.. i want to lead my life to the full, enjoy every moment not perhaps letting go of the moral path that is more than enough for me. but even if i made a few mistakes, heeaven does not fall... in the end i am going to be the child who goes and cries in his mother's arms, who embraces him yet gives a chiding i told you not to do that. i am confident that a welcoming lap will always await me no matter what i do, even if i go deep down in sins, even if i degerate into a lower being than human.... if i am ever given a chance i will happily do whatever i can to help another soul, yyet i admit that my motive is my my own happiness... And the pleasure in being born again....!!! the idea fills me with happiness. as for mukti, one day many thousand years from now, Shiva will perform a tandav he will take the creation back, i too would go like the rest of the lesser souls left behind who could not do so themselves. why worry?? my end is safe.... with this i really vanish... ashish, if raviraji really wants the kavach please forward it to my other email id good wishes jaiGURUDEV... anu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 hey anu i am not saying that u or u shouldn't get self realised or that you jaagrit ur kundalini. Everyone is free to choose their own paths to live life. i guess u said the unsaid in following :-) >if i can do >what i am supposed to very well, > >if i work it should be outstanding, if i cook it should be great, >if i clean the room should shine >if i dance it should be perfect (but it already is...) >if i dress i should look mind bogglind >if i pray i should do it with feeling >if i chant i should do it with concentration. >if i sing i should be less off tune... >if i can practice before i preach i will be very content that >i lead a good life. > >i do not want kundalini jagran.. >i want to lead my life to the full, enjoy every moment not perhaps >letting go of the moral path >that is more than enough for me. but one of my goal is not to let my mind boggle down when ">if i dress i should look mind bogglind" :-) happy living :-) "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 , "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel@g...> wro > > but one of my goal is not to let my mind boggle down when ">if i dress i > should look mind bogglind" :-) > > happy living :-) > > thanks, happy mukti.... i think my ulterior motive in meeting all of you saintly people is that if i really get into a mess one day and you look down at me from the clouds you will remember that this the same foolish girl who screamed, but i do not want to go your way....and see what can be done for her... good wishes jaiGURUDEV anu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 oh! well sure u can count on us. but one never knows it may happen that we are the ones who may have to count on you. > >devi_bhagat [devi_bhagat] >Sunday, January 20, 2002 6:07 PM > > Re: inner realisation > > >, "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel@g...> >wro >> >> but one of my goal is not to let my mind boggle down when ">if i >dress i >> should look mind bogglind" :-) >> >> happy living :-) >> >> >thanks, happy mukti.... > >i think my ulterior motive in meeting all of you saintly people is >that if i really get into a mess one day and you look down at me from >the clouds you will remember that this the same foolish girl who >screamed, but i do not want to go your way....and see what can be done >for her... > >good wishes >jaiGURUDEV > >anu > > >Jay Gurudev > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 , "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel@g...> wrote: > > oh! well sure u can count on us. but one never knows it may happen that we > are the ones who may have to count on you. > > aisa kuch nahin hoga bhaiya, aap sab samarpit sidh atmayen hain ham aap ke charno ki dhool hain good wishes anu you know the biggest scare i have in my life is of mukti... > somehow i am convinced that this is my last birth and that depresses me no end, i really try very hard to throw this idea of my head--whenever GOD is in a mood to listen, i keep explaining who would come and talk so lovingly and try to maniputlate you into her ways if i become one with you... a cousin of mine when she was 17 or 18 (not so young) came to me and exclaimed, i do not know why people are afraid of dying and what lies ahead, i am not afraid at all, i have no problems with dying, only one mere marne ke baad jo naye naye hero heroine ki pictuire aayengi main kaise dekhoongi, that is the only sorrow of my life.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 most of you may have heard this popular bhajan... but still...talking of dying and mukti... before i vanish.... itna to karna swami jab praan tan se nikle Govind naam le ke mera pran tan se nikale shri gangaji ka tat ho jamuna ka vanshi bat ho mera sanwara nikat ho jab praan tan se nikale peetambari kasi ho chabi man me yeh basi ho honthon pe kuch hansi ho jab praan tan se nikale jab kanth praan aaye koi rog na sataye yam darash na dikhaye jab praan tan se nikale us waqt jaldi aana nahin shyaam bhool jana radhe ko saath lana jab praan tan se nikale ek bhakt ki hai arzi khud garaz ki hai garzi aaage tumhaari marzi jab praan tan se nikale itna to karna swami jab praan tan se nikale may all of us lost souls see whoever is their isht/ guru as the last thing before we die...if that happens no sadhna, no prayer, no philosophy or even good karma is needed. no siddhi no kundalini jagran can beat this supreme end... may all of us come to this end this my prayer for myself and all of you jaigurudev anu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 > may all of us lost souls see whoever is their isht/ guru as the last > thing before we die...if that happens no sadhna, no > prayer, no philosophy or even good karma is needed. no siddhi no > kundalini jagran can beat this supreme end... > > may all of us come to this end > this my prayer for myself and all of you true, but remember to see that one has to develop the habit of thinking of him by doing satsanga/reading sriptures or praying. so u have to do that always see that intensity increaes as u keep growing old, becos its easy to loose focus in this mayatic world , so more u put into practise, more the chances are that u will see ur beloved. i have known a faith which is based purely on this fact, they are least bothered abt ur past, but they only stress on cleaning and putting the habit of remembering lord, and they practise it at the most for 1 hr a day. I have read somewhere in MTY few yrs back that there are 16or 64 kalas (arts) and the beauty is to have all of them, and lead a life filled with all of them.krishna is one who had all of them(16) so he is considered as purna avtar i dont know abt others, so beauty of life lies in fulfilling that, i think its not difficult, i have seen atleast one master to do that. i have read abt the greatness of krishna in a book by a realised soul, its abt the greatness of krishna and karna, karna actually commited so many good karmas that even after being shotdown he would not die, he had lot of good karma left, so he was unable to die and hovering in pain , so krishna unable to bear it comes as a ... and ask for karna kundalas , and karna who has a big heart gives it away, which causes him to exit the body smoothly so see the care krishna has taken abt karna... sorry for the poor story , but i usually take the gist and cant reproduce the story properly (sorry id ont know the exzct words) the gist is that there are many things which we may come across at some time or the other seem conflicting if we remain limited beings, to enjoy the beauty of creation one should try to attain all kalas its not possible by leading a life of ordinary being, this not to hurt any one this is the experience i gained with my masters. Gurudev used to say grhisth jeevan should be like, Ek haat me bhog ho Ek haath me moksh ho. i personally believe that krishna is a live demonstration of it. affectionately Jai Gurudev Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 > > may all of us come to this end > > this my prayer for myself and all of you > > Jai Gurudev anurag, we still need your confirmation of participation.. i am presenting the plan 27th jan ashish 3rd feb anurag 10th feb rohit 17th feb vijay -child of devi 24th feb birendraji 3rd march vijay bhaskar 10th march anu this will go on on rotation....new people are always welcome. i just got a mail from vijay, and wrote back to him requesting to continue and write for sadhak, i have still to receive a confirmation, but i am sure he will agree... kindly rethink and if anybody has a change of mind please let ashish know.... i really benefitted a lot from my discussion with vijay yesterday.. thank you God/guruji for making us lock horns.... good wishes, good bye jai gurudev anu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 my todays email on kundalini jaagran was my article. I thought i will write today itself > >devi_bhagat [devi_bhagat] >Monday, January 21, 2002 12:35 AM > > Re: inner realisation > > > >> > may all of us come to this end >> > this my prayer for myself and all of you >> >> > Jai Gurudev > > anurag, >we still need your confirmation of participation.. > >i am presenting the plan > >27th jan ashish >3rd feb anurag >10th feb rohit >17th feb vijay -child of devi >24th feb birendraji >3rd march vijay bhaskar >10th march anu > >this will go on on rotation....new people are always welcome. >i just got a mail from vijay, and wrote back to him requesting to >continue and write for sadhak, i have still to receive a confirmation, >but i am sure he will agree... > >kindly rethink and if anybody has a change of mind please let ashish >know.... >i really benefitted a lot from my discussion with vijay yesterday.. >thank you God/guruji for making us lock horns.... >good wishes, >good bye >jai gurudev >anu > > > > >------------------------ Sponsor >---------------------~--> >Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! >Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! >Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! >http://us.click./WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/wpWolB/TM >------------------------------ >------~-> > >Jay Gurudev > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 JAI GURUDEV Dear Anurag... > my todays email on kundalini jaagran was my article. I thought > i will write today itself If you are not willing to log into your account at Sadhak, kindly let me know and I'll post that article on your behalf. Have a nice day. Ashish... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 ashish can u please do that. > >nikhilashish [nikhilashish] >Monday, January 21, 2002 12:46 AM > > Re: inner realisation > > >JAI GURUDEV >Dear Anurag... > >> my todays email on kundalini jaagran was my article. I thought >> i will write today itself > >If you are not willing to log into your account at Sadhak, kindly let >me know and I'll post that article on your behalf. > >Have a nice day. > >Ashish... > > >Jay Gurudev > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 Dear Anurag... > ashish can u please do that. Done. Have a nice day (tomorrow, of course). Good night... Ashish... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 --- hai rabba, ashish please post it only on anurag's turn else all my effort in planning will be wasted...i just wrote to vijay requesting him for more articles on his turn -- let us see anurag, fine it is a good article accepted for this time. but please do write an article when your turn comes again in rotation...anurag, it will be nice if you write just half a page more on your turn too. ashish, anurag, without reference to context, i expect my brothers who are so much more spiritually advanced than me to be a lot more matured... varna sab vyarth hai... jai gurudev anu may i actually vanish now...??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 many thanks ashish > >nikhilashish [nikhilashish] >Monday, January 21, 2002 12:55 AM > > Re: inner realisation > > >Dear Anurag... > >> ashish can u please do that. > >Done. > >Have a nice day (tomorrow, of course). Good night... > >Ashish... > > >Jay Gurudev > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 --- many thanks to both of you for crashing my plan.... i will take anurag's turn. the rest of the plan stands... anu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 Dear Anu (Shri Mata Anu Shakti Swaroopini Jagadamba)... > may i actually vanish now...??? Why are you so keen to vanish. Believe me, vanishing from here is making any difference. I suggest exploring other possibilities. Ashish... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 , "nikhilashish" <nikhilashish> wrote: > Dear Anu (Shri Mata Anu Shakti Swaroopini Jagadamba)... > dear ashish, thank you for the honor. may i clarify again that i am not very keep on being self realized. aise aise naam rakhe to mere sath shadi kaiun karega?? you should understand my problem good wishes anu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 Dear Anu (Editor-in-chief, Sadhak) > may i clarify again that i am not very keep on being > self realized. Well, I understand you. I think, discussing here won't make anyone "SELF-REALIZED". > aise aise naam rakhe to mere sath shadi kaiun karega?? Hummm.... You're right. Anyway, I'll think about something better > you should understand my problem I do, sis. Ashish... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2002 --- jaigurudev... > > Hummm.... You're right. Anyway, I'll think about something better > i think i will keep it. then i can go and gloat to my mother. she refuses to understand what a great soul has been born to her... despite the fact i remind her regularly... despite my long discourses she is learning astrology, just because i told her she has the best chart....can you imagine...my mother learning astrology...what a disgrace.. woww, what a title... thank you ashish, now what kind of title do you want? anu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
