experiences with "om"

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Jai Gurudev,

 

Dear Friends,

 

Here are some of my own personal experiences after chanting "om" I humbly want

to share with group which are true with no exxaration.

 

1. It lead to strong vibrations in the spinal & back area after few months of

continuous chanting with discipline.

2. it lead to subsiding of sensual pleasures& complete abstinence.

3. it lead to true love of god.

4. it lead detachment & peace.

5. it lead to rising of kundalini shakti.

6. it lead to many psychic experiences.

7. I felt as if I am gaining knowledge of everything material & spiritual.

8. it brought peace & inner joy & heightened alertness.

9. It led to a feeling that something was trying to come out of the body & float in the air.

10. It lead to realization that how I have been wasting all my past live or

years in this birth for material pleasures sleeping ignorantly.

11. It lead to development of all good qualities I.e. kindness,love etc.

12. It lead to a feeling that something was trying to manifest in the heart.

13. It lead to heightened psychic powers.

14. it lead me to complete enjoyment & establishment in yoga.

15. it lead to loss of interest in everything material & development of interest

in everything spiritual.

16. it lead to complete elimination of all kinds of weakness in psyche & removal

of fear of death.

17. it lead to realization that why i have come again into this world.

18. It lead to outburst of crying for love for god.

19. It lead to opening of new world of joy which i never experienced before.

 

After this there was a fall because i was dragged to material rat race & could

not keep up with the rigid discipline."do's & don't.

 

Thanks.

Rohit.

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, "S.A." <sunnyan@n...> wrote:

> Ja

 

 

jaigurudev

thank you very much. i have a request and a question.

request--please post this on sadhak , personal experiences are very

welcome indeed

 

2-how much time did you devote daily, and for how many months??

 

wishes,

anu

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Jai Gurudev,

 

dear rohit,

Vijay has told that a AAA should come from navel and UUU from chest

and MMM from head , when i do chanting i have obesrved AAA and MMM

part but now i will observe the UUU part....

 

so did u observe it...

you can enlighten the group more with ur experience...

By the way you have written, there is lot to learn from you.

 

pls keep posting for the benefit of others what ever you may think

useful...

pls keeping answering queries posted here...

pls do give suggestions

 

pls try to do all these at your conveniences and resources.

 

 

Take care

Jai Gurudev

 

 

, "S.A." <sunnyan@n...> wrote:

> Jai Gurudev,

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Here are some of my own personal experiences after chanting "om" I

humbly want to share with group which are true with no exxaration.

>

> 1. It lead to strong vibrations in the spinal & back area after few

months of continuous chanting with discipline.

> 2. it lead to subsiding of sensual pleasures& complete abstinence.

> 3. it lead to true love of god.

> 4. it lead detachment & peace.

> 5. it lead to rising of kundalini shakti.

> 6. it lead to many psychic experiences.

> 7. I felt as if I am gaining knowledge of everything material &

spiritual.

> 8. it brought peace & inner joy & heightened alertness.

> 9. It led to a feeling that something was trying to come out of the

body & float in the air.

> 10. It lead to realization that how I have been wasting all my past

live or years in this birth for material pleasures sleeping

ignorantly.

> 11. It lead to development of all good qualities I.e. kindness,love

etc.

> 12. It lead to a feeling that something was trying to manifest in

the heart.

> 13. It lead to heightened psychic powers.

> 14. it lead me to complete enjoyment & establishment in yoga.

> 15. it lead to loss of interest in everything material &

development of interest in everything spiritual.

> 16. it lead to complete elimination of all kinds of weakness in

psyche & removal of fear of death.

> 17. it lead to realization that why i have come again into this

world.

> 18. It lead to outburst of crying for love for god.

> 19. It lead to opening of new world of joy which i never

experienced before.

>

> After this there was a fall because i was dragged to material rat

race & could not keep up with the rigid discipline."do's & don't.

>

> Thanks.

> Rohit.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Rohit!

 

Very impressive list of achievements

> 9. It led to a feeling that something was trying to

> come out of the body & float in the air.

 

Of everything I just wanted to comment on this- this

is your astral body which usually after very long

periods of meditation, one has complete freedom is

dissociating it with the physical body. This would

give you out-of-body experiences. Swami Sivananda has

written that once you have succeeded in separating

your astral body, it will give you immense bliss and

happiness and it is also a major milestone in your

spiritual progress.

 

Aum Namasivaya,

Vijay

 

 

 

> 10. It lead to realization that how I have been

> wasting all my past live or years in this birth for

> material pleasures sleeping ignorantly.

> 11. It lead to development of all good qualities

> I.e. kindness,love etc.

> 12. It lead to a feeling that something was trying

> to manifest in the heart.

> 13. It lead to heightened psychic powers.

> 14. it lead me to complete enjoyment & establishment

> in yoga.

> 15. it lead to loss of interest in everything

> material & development of interest in everything

> spiritual.

> 16. it lead to complete elimination of all kinds of

> weakness in psyche & removal of fear of death.

> 17. it lead to realization that why i have come

> again into this world.

> 18. It lead to outburst of crying for love for god.

> 19. It lead to opening of new world of joy which i

> never experienced before.

>

> After this there was a fall because i was dragged to

> material rat race & could not keep up with the rigid

> discipline."do's & don't.

>

> Thanks.

> Rohit.

>

>

 

 

 

 

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This is the kind of stuff that should be posted on

sadhak- very practical, very real and a real help to

someone else. I notice that generally of all the

saints, Swami Sivananda alone gives point by point

instructions on conquest of mind. And sometimes I felt

that even that was not adequate.

 

I also want to suggest that if the articles are of

good quality, we should perhaps try to publish this as

a book eventually. Not for name and fame, but so that

others similarly can benefit. The proceeds of the

book(it may be on the best seller list) may be given

to some charity.

 

Aum Namasivaya,

Vijay

 

 

--- "S.A." <sunnyan wrote:

> Jai Gurudev,

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Here are some of my own personal experiences after

> chanting "om" I humbly want to share with group

> which are true with no exxaration.

>

> 1. It lead to strong vibrations in the spinal & back

> area after few months of continuous chanting with

> discipline.

> 2. it lead to subsiding of sensual pleasures&

> complete abstinence.

> 3. it lead to true love of god.

> 4. it lead detachment & peace.

> 5. it lead to rising of kundalini shakti.

> 6. it lead to many psychic experiences.

> 7. I felt as if I am gaining knowledge of everything

> material & spiritual.

> 8. it brought peace & inner joy & heightened

> alertness.

> 9. It led to a feeling that something was trying to

> come out of the body & float in the air.

> 10. It lead to realization that how I have been

> wasting all my past live or years in this birth for

> material pleasures sleeping ignorantly.

> 11. It lead to development of all good qualities

> I.e. kindness,love etc.

> 12. It lead to a feeling that something was trying

> to manifest in the heart.

> 13. It lead to heightened psychic powers.

> 14. it lead me to complete enjoyment & establishment

> in yoga.

> 15. it lead to loss of interest in everything

> material & development of interest in everything

> spiritual.

> 16. it lead to complete elimination of all kinds of

> weakness in psyche & removal of fear of death.

> 17. it lead to realization that why i have come

> again into this world.

> 18. It lead to outburst of crying for love for god.

> 19. It lead to opening of new world of joy which i

> never experienced before.

>

> After this there was a fall because i was dragged to

> material rat race & could not keep up with the rigid

> discipline."do's & don't.

>

> Thanks.

> Rohit.

>

>

 

 

 

 

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dear vijay,

>

> This is the kind of stuff that should be posted on

> sadhak- very practical, very real and a real help to

> someone else.

 

yes, that is true. not only that first hand experience is something

everybody should bow down to, and listen -- discussing

becomes irrelevant. truth is it's own proof.

 

 

>

> I also want to suggest that if the articles are of

> good quality, we should perhaps try to publish this as

> a book eventually. Not for name and fame, but so that

> others similarly can benefit. The proceeds of the

> book(it may be on the best seller list) may be given

> to some charity.

>

> that is ambitious. i really do not feel i am writing anything

important enough to form a book. but eventually everything is

possible. it is a very new idea. a baby idea. we still have few

contributors. i have no problems against publishing a book or

giving money to charity. i am rather worried that no one will buy it

judging by the statistics. the maximum read article has been

read only 135 times i think. but still i am hopeful. one, it provides

a platform for expression. without any editing or interfence

from anyone else, so you write what you feel. as our experiences grow,

we can write more first hand accounts, and perhaps

things that are really helpful. i always have someone very new in mind

who is facing tremendous problems, and is weak and

defeated. no one seems to be able to address this issue. religion has

to come down to the level where man is. i feel sad to this

person is misguided and not knowing what to do, and how to do.

 

'senior' people force their idiosyncrasies on this soul. more so if

they are given a position of power say astrologers ...

they know so little about the their subject and talk as if you have

bought your soul. today, i read a question from a girl to

someone wanting to marry someone, and asking if marriage is possible,

this guy probably fed both data on the site itself and

said only 12 points out of 36-marraige is not permissible. how dare he

do that?? just because someone trusts the science you

claim to know? i have been looking into this, not in terms of love/

marriage but in terms of human relationships, close

friendships, but right now the statistics is very small. i believe

that the same ascendant lord/ friendly planet makes a good

combination. the same atma karaka also signifies a deeper psychic

affection. moon is also important of course. Another

example i remember is of a boy walking in when i was sitting with "a

senior astrologer" asking if he could be an IAS officer. he

was told that with a sun which was only 1 degree it was impossible.

well, madhuri dixit and waheeda rehman both have suns of

about 1 degree, did it stop them from doing well in their careers? the

best case is amitabh bachchan to the best of my

understanding, i found nothing great in his chart. he has planets in

the dreaded 8th house, which are also 12th to his

moon--worse. and has he done well....

 

to be honest i started reading astrology just to be able to shut these

people up. i know very very little. to challenge their

iflallibility in their own language.the best answer came from a very

eccentric bengali astrologer to a girl with a similar

question--can anything be done to save astrologically ill matched

marriage. he said if love is really there, do you think the other

matching has been done properly??

why is it that people have faith in God shiv or vishnu or devi, and

the moment something even minor goes wrong they are willing

to bend double to everything. does that mean that they believe that

shani rahu ketu are stronger then shiva,

why not just ask him for help instead of running from pillar to post,

why not just sit and chant aum namah shivay 125000 times

and see if it helps? thos is the biggest flaw of hinduism-totally

confused minds. minds filled with fears and all kinds of notions.

women should not chant gayatri, grahasths should not chant aum. the

moment you give in to fear and doubt degradation sets in.

 

i will tell you all one thing. a close friend of mine, a sardarni told

me about it. it was of a time when her father was taken very

seriously ill, and hospitalized for 6 months. his chances of survival

were minimal. she and her two year younger brother were 4

and 6 then, there were no relatives in the town, her mother had to

support the family and pay bills which she did by spending all

savings and teaching in a school. there were a lot of

suggestions--get this done that done. BUT she totally refused-mera ek

wahe guru hai, he will have to listen. every morning she would get up

at 3 o'clock go the gurudwara cry her heart out come

back cook, send kids to school, leave for school,

then come back feed kids, and go to her ailing and irritable and

complaining husband. BUT she went to the GURUdwara just

to cry and pray every single morning without fail. and trusted no one

else. expected help from no one else. of course her

husband lived. and still is fine and healthy. this is the power of

faith, power of tipsy. this is what sadhna Is. is not chanting three

malls and hoping the world will come to your feet. it is not which is

better kale or baglamukhi or chinnmasta?

is is

jo hi lena maine lean tere dwar se

tere hote kyon main mangoo sansaar se

maine zid kar jholi jo pasaari to kaise inkaar karogi?

 

it is not dropping one deity and running to the next with every issue

of MTY. listen to your soul. sadhnas are a wonderful

discovery -ways of communication with GOD, and having a GURU is even

better. buy do not let faith suffer because of them,

Do not let your mind be confused by the mushrooming of so many of

them. pray to the one you believe in, do his sadhna only

and tell him he will have to solve your problem. tell Him that if the

problem is too tough for him, he should inform you, and you

will go and do sadhna of someone else. try it and see, not only will

your problems be solved. you will be blessed with the same

unquestioning, steady support in everything. it will be a state where

beyond the very selfish human demands a small whiff of

divine love sets in.

 

wishes...

anu

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JAI GURUDEV

> how much time did you devote daily, and for how many months??

 

I would also like to know this as I had similar experiences while

performing Guru Mantra Anushthan. But, it wasn't easy.

 

Ashish...

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Jai Gurudev,

Dear Friend,

1.) With regard to reply to your first question, I would certainly like to

contribute & share my experiences with my friends & how i can do it.But before

I do so for "sadhak" I will appreciate if you let me know the objective of this

site.

2.) With regard to time I devoted for meditation on "om" was approx. 4 to 5 hrs

everyday & for approx. 7months.

Kindly Note:-

1.) Experiences I mentioned can be verified by anyone themselves with sure results.

2.) Timing of Experiences will depend upon intensity of

practice,evolution,yearing & development of soul.

3.) I am unmarried ( still looking for right companion)so no problems for me but

friends who are married should know that meditation on "om" will create

detachment or abstinence from demands of married life.

4.) It will also lead to person coming out of slavery of Maya & maya coming under his control.

5.) It will also lead to activation of chakras.

6.) If the person's constitution has weakness for any sensual pleasures then

risen (Lord Vishnu)kundali shakti will increase that desire mainfold in initial

stage to test the person, so purification(internal & outer) is absolute

necessary which can be gained by meditation on "om".

7.) Meditation on "om" will lead to pacifying the"chitta" & rise to the power

of concentration with only one major thought vibration process before mind.

Thanks.

Rohit Anand.

-

devi_bhagat

Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:41 PM

Re: experiences with "om"

, "S.A." <sunnyan@n...> wrote:> Jajaigurudevthank you very

much. i have a request and a question. request--please post this on sadhak ,

personal experiences are very welcome indeed2-how much time did you devote

daily, and for how many months??wishes,anuJay GurudevYour use of

is subject to the

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, "S.A." <sunnyan@n...> wrote:

> Jai Gurudev,

>

> Dear Friend,

>

> 1.) With regard to reply to your first question, I would certainly

like to contribute & share my experiences with my friends & how i can

do it.But before I do so for "sadhak" I will appreciate if you let me

know the objective of this site.

>

jai GURUDEV,

thank you for writing in.

this is what ashish says on the first page.

 

"Powered by the blessings of our Gurudev

Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, we are a group

of his disciples with a mission to spread

awareness about Indian Spirituality and

rid the world of all myths surrounding it.

 

Here, you would find various articles on

our Gurudev and sprituality, answers to

many frequently asked questions and

definitions of those tough looking terms.

 

The contents are basically postings of

our discussion board at

transformed into an easy and searchable

format."

 

pay a visit tio get an idea...

good wishes,

anu

[Guest guest]

Well a lot of people have a fixation with astrology

but remember the basic premise even of astrology is

that the stars do not compel but only impel events to

happen. When a person goes to an astrologer, it is

usually after everything else has failed, he is in a

really dire state. In that dire state, he does not

think rationally and methodically- he wants a quickie

fix to his problem and hopes that astrology can help

him out. I was also once an astrology skeptic, because

most astrologers kept on rambling about rahu and ketu

and it seemed to me that they were very good at

explaining the cause of an effect once the effect was

told to them but could not predict the effect itself.

But one day, my mother took me to a really good

astrologer and he told me some specific events that

really happened- I was literally stunned. But the name

of the game is to beat the predictions of your

horoscope by using your willpower as Yogananda says.

Till then you are a puppet in the hands of destiny.

> we can write more first hand accounts, and perhaps

> things that are really helpful. i always have

> someone very new in mind

> who is facing tremendous problems, and is weak and

> defeated. no one seems to be able to address this

> issue. religion has

> to come down to the level where man is. i feel sad

> to this

> person is misguided and not knowing what to do, and

> how to do.

 

This world is a dream and after this life, when we

wake up youd think, it was a dream why did I worry so

much in the dream(granted this is not easy to practice

while in the dream). We are here to have some learning

experiences. One of the major things that one of my

teachers told me is not to worry about other people.

This may sound as selfishness but really difficult

situations are always an opportunity for more

learning, is not that how a soul matures. When I say

worry, worrying excessively and vehemently guiding

some into this and that thinking that it would benefit

him. Because worrying about someone else does not do

any good to the other person or to oneself. the

attitude to take is to be stoic and indifferent while

helping him without being emotional about it.

 

 

>

> 'senior' people force their idiosyncrasies on this

> soul. more so if

> they are given a position of power say astrologers

> ...

> they know so little about the their subject and talk

> as if you have

> bought your soul. today, i read a question from a

> girl to

> someone wanting to marry someone, and asking if

> marriage is possible,

> this guy probably fed both data on the site itself

> and

> said only 12 points out of 36-marraige is not

> permissible. how dare he

> do that?? just because someone trusts the science

> you

> claim to know? i have been looking into this, not in

> terms of love/

> marriage but in terms of human relationships, close

> friendships, but right now the statistics is very

> small. i believe

> that the same ascendant lord/ friendly planet makes

> a good

> combination. the same atma karaka also signifies a

> deeper psychic

> affection. moon is also important of course. Another

>

> example i remember is of a boy walking in when i was

> sitting with "a

> senior astrologer" asking if he could be an IAS

> officer. he

> was told that with a sun which was only 1 degree it

> was impossible.

> well, madhuri dixit and waheeda rehman both have

> suns of

> about 1 degree, did it stop them from doing well in

> their careers? the

> best case is amitabh bachchan to the best of my

> understanding, i found nothing great in his chart.

> he has planets in

> the dreaded 8th house, which are also 12th to his

> moon--worse. and has he done well....

>

> to be honest i started reading astrology just to be

> able to shut these

> people up. i know very very little. to challenge

> their

> iflallibility in their own language.the best answer

> came from a very

> eccentric bengali astrologer to a girl with a

> similar

> question--can anything be done to save

> astrologically ill matched

> marriage. he said if love is really there, do you

> think the other

> matching has been done properly??

> why is it that people have faith in God shiv or

> vishnu or devi, and

> the moment something even minor goes wrong they are

> willing

> to bend double to everything. does that mean that

> they believe that

> shani rahu ketu are stronger then shiva,

> why not just ask him for help instead of running

> from pillar to post,

 

It is a great stage in your spiritual progress to find

out that Shiva is really in charge and not Rahu and

Ketu. Most people have not yet develed spiritually to

realise that so they have to go through some more

experiences to get there. I am sure that most people

in this list were drawn into spirituality because of

some or other problem they were facing. They did not

all of a sudden one day decide that they were going to

be spiritual.

> why not just sit and chant aum namah shivay 125000

> times

> and see if it helps? thos is the biggest flaw of

> hinduism-totally

> confused minds. minds filled with fears and all

> kinds of notions.

> women should not chant gayatri, grahasths should not

> chant aum. the

> moment you give in to fear and doubt degradation

> sets in.

 

No doubt a lot of our scriptures like the puranas(you

should literally read them to find out how silly they

are, Motilal Banarssidas has some good translations of

all 18) do not look like scriptures at all. It takes

the grace of a satguru to tell you what lies beneath

this facade of falsity. So without a guru, all is

useless.

 

>

> i will tell you all one thing. a close friend of

> mine, a sardarni told

> me about it. it was of a time when her father was

> taken very

> seriously ill, and hospitalized for 6 months. his

> chances of survival

> were minimal. she and her two year younger brother

> were 4

> and 6 then, there were no relatives in the town, her

> mother had to

> support the family and pay bills which she did by

> spending all

> savings and teaching in a school. there were a lot

> of

> suggestions--get this done that done. BUT she

> totally refused-mera ek

> wahe guru hai, he will have to listen. every morning

> she would get up

> at 3 o'clock go the gurudwara cry her heart out come

>

> back cook, send kids to school, leave for school,

> then come back feed kids, and go to her ailing and

> irritable and

> complaining husband. BUT she went to the GURUdwara

> just

> to cry and pray every single morning without fail.

> and trusted no one

> else. expected help from no one else. of course her

> husband lived. and still is fine and healthy. this

> is the power of

> faith, power of tipsy. this is what sadhna Is. is

> not chanting three

> malls and hoping the world will come to your feet.

> it is not which is

> better kale or baglamukhi or chinnmasta?

> is is

> jo hi lena maine lean tere dwar se

> tere hote kyon main mangoo sansaar se

> maine zid kar jholi jo pasaari to kaise inkaar

> karogi?

>

> it is not dropping one deity and running to the next

> with every issue

> of MTY. listen to your soul. sadhnas are a wonderful

 

Your friend reached a milestone in her spiritual

progress through that experience.

 

All saints including Swami Sivanada have given

multiple methodologies for spiritual progress. So when

you read one book, you follow something and when you

read the next book, you think, hey this looks better

and easier so I will follow this.When you read a third

book.... and the cycle goes on. At the end you realise

had I focussed on one thing alone, it would have

gotten me a lot further. This should happen through

your own experience, and will be meaningless if

someone verbally points this out to you. So a lot of

teachers give one after the other different methods-

so as to quicken your learning curve and get to the

realisation that I should have stuck to one alone.

 

When you have reached a fairly advanced stage, the

path will be readily shown and you will intuitively

know through soul knowledge what you should do. Till

that happens, it is not a bad idea to run after this

and that to find out what really is your path.

 

Opinions expressed are the authors' own and the author

makes no admission of infallibility:-)

 

Aum Namasivaya,

Vijay

 

>

> discovery -ways of communication with GOD, and

> having a GURU is even

> better. buy do not let faith suffer because of

> them,

> Do not let your mind be confused by the mushrooming

> of so many of

> them. pray to the one you believe in, do his sadhna

> only

> and tell him he will have to solve your problem.

> tell Him that if the

> problem is too tough for him, he should inform you,

> and you

> will go and do sadhna of someone else. try it and

> see, not only will

> your problems be solved. you will be blessed with

> the same

> unquestioning, steady support in everything. it will

> be a state where

> beyond the very selfish human demands a small whiff

> of

> divine love sets in.

>

> wishes...

> anu

>

>

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JAI GURUDEV

Hello...

> 2.) With regard to time I devoted for meditation on "om" was

> approx. 4 to 5 hrs everyday & for approx. 7months.

 

Well, I had to perform six Guru Mantra anushthans, if I count all of

them. The first one ended on the third days as my throat chocked and

I was unable to speak properly for 3-4 days. Rest were successfully

completed. The second one took 29 days, the third 24, the fourth 15,

the fifth 13 and lastly, the sixth one took 9 days. I did not perform

them in a row.

> Timing of Experiences will depend upon intensity of

> practice,evolution,yearing & development of soul.

 

Yeah. You are right. After reading your post, I feel I need a lot

more practise. For almost 2 years, I haven't performed any sadhana

and I trully regret it.

> It will also lead to person coming out of slavery of Maya &

> maya coming under his control.

 

Here, my case differs. I did not feel like being very kind or

disliking the materialism; but, I became more responsible. Instead, I

felt like I had a better understanding and had more control over

things. But, my immune system surely got hyper-activated.

> It will also lead to activation of chakras.

 

I am not sure about it in my case. Pleasant but firm vibrations on

the forehead were normal. In the fourth and fifth anushthan, during

jap, the vibrations moved from my forehead to the top of my head and

then, through my spine to the end point of my spine. I also saw the

next step of this process during the last anushthan, when the

vibrations doubled after reaching the end of spine and started slowly

moving upwards to my forehead again. When the circuit completed, I

did feel very strong vibrations in all my chakras for a very short

period. Had I done more, I would have experienced something more.

But, unfortunately, materialism grabbed me.

 

Oh god! why did I remember all those things. Now, I won't be able to

work properly. I would keep regretting The break in my sadhana.

 

Anyway, good luck to you, my friend.

 

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> JAI GURUDEV

>

> > how much time did you devote daily, and for how

> many months??

>

> I would also like to know this as I had similar

> experiences while

> performing Guru Mantra Anushthan. But, it wasn't

> easy.

>

> Ashish...

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Jai Gurudev,

My Dear Friend Ashish,

I devoted 4 to 5 hrs daily for 7 months meditating on "om". But i am sure with

great intensity similar experiences can be made to be realised early also with

proper discipline because "he knows our heart & mind". Pure selfless ,Intense

love with meditation on "om" is the greatest power which can manifest god in

everybody's heart.

I would appreciate if you would like to share the kind of experience you went

through , time you devoted & why you say that it was not easy.

Thanks.

Rohit Anand.

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nikhilashish

Friday, January 11, 2002 9:28 AM

Re: experiences with "om"

JAI GURUDEV> how much time did you devote daily, and for how many months??I

would also like to know this as I had similar experiences while performing Guru

Mantra Anushthan. But, it wasn't easy.Ashish...Jay GurudevYour use of

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Dear Rohit...

> I would appreciate if you would like to share the kind of

> experience you went through , time you devoted & why you say

> that it was not easy.

 

Please, read message 1526.

 

Thanks and have a nice day.

 

Ashish...

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Namaste Rohit!

 

The honour is all mine to be in communion with this

satsangha particularly more so with someone who has

this experience of the astral body.

 

My astral body is still chained inside my physical

body. The author has had some interesting experiences

while chanting with concentration for prolonged

periods of time(which maybe I will post sometime). One

of the difficulties observed was that to stay in the

same position for more than an hour was difficult.

Were you in the same position for all the 6-7 hours-

what aids did you use for staying in the same position

and avoiding boredom.(unlike a mantra for a deity, OM

does not have any visualization and no feeling?).

 

But your experiences clearly point that that

meditation on OM is not suggested for householders as

you are swept by blissful waves of renunciation and

vairagya- you want to leave everything behind and

plunge into God.

 

Anyhow like Ashish, I too am not interested in

spirituality of its own accord. My view is that

materialism with the proper perspective is itself a

spiritual path. Talking of Swami Vivekananda, here is

a story that Vivekanana was telling to convey that

both the path of the householder and the renuciate are

equally spiritual if followed properly- the story as

follows(I am recollecting in my own words)-

 

In a kingdom in ancient India, there was a king who

had a beautiful daughter, whose fame spread all over

the world and she had suitors from everywhere. The

daughter however did not like any of the suitors that

came in. So one day the kind decided that he would

hold a swayamvara and the daughter had to choose from

one among the assembled ones there. So in the

svayamwara, all the great ones assembled kings and

emperors from yonder. The daughter did not like any of

them. So while she stood disappointed, suddently she

saw a young handsome man in ochre robes outside the

hall who was begging for something. Immediately the

daughter rushed and garlanded this sannyasin. The

sannayasin was shocked for he was supposed to be a

celibate and he could not come back as a householder.

Then the king himself told him that now you are the

husband of my daughter and you will be made the king

of this huge empire.

 

The sannyasin was thouroughly confused- how could

refuse this great benediction and continue to be a

beggarly monk. So after a few moments, he ran out and

kept running till he reached the outskirts of a

forest. The king and his daughter and the retinue

started running after him. As soon as they entered the

forest they lost him and the king and the daughter

started wondering in the forest. It soon became dark

and the king decided to sleep the night at the foot of

a tree. He lit a fire and went to rest with his

daughter. Now on this tree, there lived family of

birds- a father, mother and three young children. When

the father bird saw this guest at the tree, he thought

that it was his duty to feed the guest and not to let

them go hungry. So he decided to jump in the fire so

that he could be food for the children. Now the father

and the mother had a big argument about who was going

to jump(i omitted a good deal of the coversation

between the father and the mother but if anyone can

locate this story it would be worthwhile to read it)

..... Finally they agreed on the father jumping. The

father jumped in to the fire but the king did not

still eat him. So the mother thought that the food was

not enough that is why the king did not touch the bird

flesh. So the mother jumped in so that the king could

have some more food to eat. Still the king did not eat

anything. Seeing this, the children decided that they

were orphans and so they might as well end their lives

in the fire. So the three children jumped into the

fire from their one after the other. Still the king

did not eat anything and he kept wondering how dumb

these birds are, just jumping into the fire like that.

So the sacrifice of the bird family went in vain.

 

Now says, Swami Vivekananda, if you have the vairagya

of the sannyasin or the selflessness of the family

both are equally good.

 

Now bear in mind this is just a story to illustrate a

moral. If an unbearing guest were to stay in my house

and give me a hard time, I would throw him out:-).

 

Aum Namasivaya,

Vijay

 

--- "S.A." <sunnyan wrote:

> My Dear Friend Vijay,

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

>

> Namaste!

>

> You are right . It was my astral body which was

> trying to come out of my body trying to enjoy the

> freedom it felt after so many births. This

> experience made me scared initially & nobody was

> able to explain the reason for it or what was

> happening but i found the truth myself after few

> years.

>

> My friend you have much of the valuable truth ,

> experiences , indepth knowledge with you which i &

> other friends will appreciate if you continue to

> share with us.It's really a joy to meet the similar

> "heads" ,you people are really great.

>

> Thanks.

> Rohit Anand.

> -

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>

> Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:04 PM

> Re: experiences with "om"

>

>

>

> Namaste Rohit!

>

> Very impressive list of achievements

>

> > 9. It led to a feeling that something was trying

> to

> > come out of the body & float in the air.

>

> Of everything I just wanted to comment on this-

> this

> is your astral body which usually after very long

> periods of meditation, one has complete freedom is

> dissociating it with the physical body. This would

> give you out-of-body experiences. Swami Sivananda

> has

> written that once you have succeeded in separating

> your astral body, it will give you immense bliss

> and

> happiness and it is also a major milestone in your

> spiritual progress.

>

> Aum Namasivaya,

> Vijay

>

>

>

>

> > 10. It lead to realization that how I have been

> > wasting all my past live or years in this birth

> for

> > material pleasures sleeping ignorantly.

> > 11. It lead to development of all good qualities

> > I.e. kindness,love etc.

> > 12. It lead to a feeling that something was

> trying

> > to manifest in the heart.

> > 13. It lead to heightened psychic powers.

> > 14. it lead me to complete enjoyment &

> establishment

> > in yoga.

> > 15. it lead to loss of interest in everything

> > material & development of interest in everything

> > spiritual.

> > 16. it lead to complete elimination of all kinds

> of

> > weakness in psyche & removal of fear of death.

> > 17. it lead to realization that why i have come

> > again into this world.

> > 18. It lead to outburst of crying for love for

> god.

> > 19. It lead to opening of new world of joy which

> i

> > never experienced before.

> >

> > After this there was a fall because i was

> dragged to

> > material rat race & could not keep up with the

> rigid

> > discipline."do's & don't.

> >

> > Thanks.

> > Rohit.

> >

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--- dear vijay,

> Well a lot of people have a fixation with astrology

> but remember the basic premise even of astrology is

> that the stars do not compel but only impel events to

> happen. When a person goes to an astrologer, i

 

first thankyou for the remender of arise, awake... i was thinking

where did he use it.

 

as far as astrology goes you are right that there definitely exist

people even though very very few who can make accurate predictions.

i have not had the good fortune to meet such a person. but the

position of an astrologer is a position of power over you. what he

says about your future influences you. if he tells you bad things, it

brings in fear and lack of faith, if he says good things that too can

lead to lack to motivated effort-since you believe you will get

something and may get lethargic, and maybe the reward is lesser. you

may even panic because if the good period was between say jan to june

you may end up with aless than sensible decision.

as far as appeasing planets goes, maybe it works faster because they

are lesser gods. i have nothing against a person having lots ogf

problems trying out various things try this out too. we can chant

mantras of all deities with reverence including planets.

 

the best remedy for anyone with a not so good chart, is i think

including some kind of rigorous sadhna in his daily regime, accepting

that a not so good chart means not so good karma im the past. my only

irritation is when they get definitely predictive. when they interfere

in important decisions like marraige, or career...and sometimes

irresponsibly. there is nothing wrong with telling someone that

appeasing saturn will help you.so do thi s very saturday...but there

definitely is something wrong with saying--you cannot get a job now

e.g. it will happen only after 2 years. imagine the added suffering to

the soul. instead of telling people they cannot be IAS officers they

should be telling them what to do, in terms of fasting, chanting

mantras prayers etc which will take them to their desire.

 

this is the reason i am here in the first place...

 

wishes

anu

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--- devi_bhagat <devi_bhagat wrote:

> --- dear vijay,

>

> > Well a lot of people have a fixation with

> astrology

> > but remember the basic premise even of astrology

> is

> > that the stars do not compel but only impel events

> to

> > happen. When a person goes to an astrologer, i

>

> first thankyou for the remender of arise, awake... i

> was thinking

> where did he use it.

 

If I recall correctly, I had a book with inspired

lectures of Vivekananda(truly inspiring) where he made

impromptu speeches at different places, it was at one

of these places that he first made that statement(the

name Chennai comes to mind though I may be mistaken).

>

> as far as astrology goes you are right that there

> definitely exist

> people even though very very few who can make

> accurate predictions.

> i have not had the good fortune to meet such a

> person. but the

> position of an astrologer is a position of power

> over you. what he

> says about your future influences you. if he tells

> you bad things, it

> brings in fear and lack of faith, if he says good

> things that too can

> lead to lack to motivated effort-since you believe

> you will get

> something and may get lethargic, and maybe the

> reward is lesser. you

> may even panic because if the good period was

> between say jan to june

> you may end up with aless than sensible decision.

 

now I suspect that you have been to several bad

astrologer. It is really a bad astrologer who will

really tell you that your fate is sealed and you will

be finished in two months:-). A good astrologer will

be suble in the first place. Sometimes the astrologer

wants to shock the person into doing some sadhana if

the situation is really bad(do you know how difficult

it is to get someone to sadhana, my younger brother

for instance was telling how difficult it is to 108

chants om gam ganapateyi nama which would take a few

minutes though he has no problems spending 10's of

hours in front of the TV!)

 

 

> as far as appeasing planets goes, maybe it works

> faster because they

> are lesser gods. i have nothing against a person

> having lots ogf

> problems trying out various things try this out too.

> we can chant

> mantras of all deities with reverence including

> planets.

>

> the best remedy for anyone with a not so good chart,

> is i think

 

As poet Alexander Pope says, God is in heaven so

everything is alright with this world. Why worry about

what someone says to someone else. I am not suggesting

that one should be insensitive but one should be

kindly supportive without being emotionally involved.

> including some kind of rigorous sadhna in his daily

> regime, accepting

 

and how many people do rigorous sadhana these days? It

is really a mature sadhaka who does rigorous sadhana,

most people are young souls and want quickie fixes. So

at least they have a start somewhere. You cannot tell

a person who has done no chanting in his whole life to

do 10 hours of chanting every day. So a little this

and a little that, makes a decent beginning.

> that a not so good chart means not so good karma im

> the past. my only

> irritation is when they get definitely predictive.

> when they interfere

> in important decisions like marraige, or

> career...and sometimes

> irresponsibly. there is nothing wrong with telling

> someone that

> appeasing saturn will help you.so do thi s very

> saturday...but there

> definitely is something wrong with saying--you

> cannot get a job now

> e.g. it will happen only after 2 years. imagine the

> added suffering to

> the soul. instead of telling people they cannot be

> IAS officers they

 

After my experience with that particular astrologer, I

believe that for most people the predictions(if made

by a good astrologer) would hold out true simply

because most do not use their willpower to change

fate. Of my relatives most of predictions about them

have come true when something terrible was predicted,

they usually did some rigorous sadhana and the

prediction did not happen. Doing rigorous sadhana all

the time would be good but doing rigourous sadhana at

bad times should be necessary. And that is atleast a

start.

> should be telling them what to do, in terms of

> fasting, chanting

> mantras prayers etc which will take them to their

> desire.

 

Doing you think that most people would really listen?

Now to those people who would listen, the wise thing

to do would be thank the astrologer for his services

and then find out someone who will teach him how to

overcome(like Gurudev). There is all kinds of people

out there and it does not make sense to take into

consideration all that what they say. No matter how

good intentioned you are, there are people out there

who are there to test your mettle.

 

>

> this is the reason i am here in the first place...

 

Same here. And I think most people are here to beat

their karma/prediction.

 

Aum Namasivaya,

Vijay

 

>

> wishes

> anu

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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people are young souls and want quickie fixes. So

> at least they have a start somewhere. You cannot tell

> a person who has done no chanting in his whole life to

> do 10 hours of chanting every day.

 

bhaiya, i did not mean that a person do 10 hr of chanting for the rest

of his life. i meant that it be done with concentration and devotion..

1 hr a day is good enough. half may also be sufficient

 

So nstead of telling people they cannot be

> > IAS officers they

>

> After my experience with that particular astrologer, I

> believe that for most people the predictions(if made

> by a good astrologer) would hold out true simply

> because most do not use their willpower to change

> fate.

 

you know, i do not remeber the exact words. but, the same

eccentric astrolger i was talking about said something. aboout human

will being like that of a beast tied with a rope to atree,, going

round and round looking at the sky thinking it can be free. without

spirituality as a backbone, no amount of will power works.

 

.. Doing rigorous sadhana all

> the time would be good but doing rigourous sadhana at

> bad times should be necessary. And that is atleast a

> start.

 

yes sir that is what i was saying.

> to do would be thank the astrologer for his services

> and then find out someone who will teach him how to

> overcome(like Gurudev).

 

i agree with that fully.

yes, vedanta philosophy is perfect. my only problem is it is too high

for me yet. still it is good to keep the eyes on the sky.

 

> >

> > this is the reason i am here in the first place...

>

> Same here. And I think most people are here to beat

> their karma/prediction.

 

 

atleast i am. it also requires good karma to find this path.

jaigurudev

anu

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--- devi_bhagat <devi_bhagat wrote:

> people are young souls and want quickie fixes. So

> > at least they have a start somewhere. You cannot

> tell

> > a person who has done no chanting in his whole

> life to

> > do 10 hours of chanting every day.

>

> bhaiya, i did not mean that a person do 10 hr of

> chanting for the rest

> of his life. i meant that it be done with

> concentration and devotion..

> 1 hr a day is good enough. half may also be

> sufficient

 

Oh my God! Now you are asking for the impossible- you

want everyone to chant for one whole hour; on top of

that you also want to have concentration and devotion.

That sounds like three impossibles(I am going to have

to tell this to my brother who will probably go into a

coma).

 

>

> So nstead of telling people they cannot be

> > > IAS officers they

> >

> > After my experience with that particular

> astrologer, I

> > believe that for most people the predictions(if

> made

> > by a good astrologer) would hold out true simply

> > because most do not use their willpower to change

> > fate.

>

> you know, i do not remeber the exact words. but, the

> same

> eccentric astrolger i was talking about said

> something. aboout human

> will being like that of a beast tied with a rope to

> atree,, going

> round and round looking at the sky thinking it can

> be free. without

> spirituality as a backbone, no amount of will power

> works.

 

Not true, people like Bill Gates had tremendous

willpower but without any seeming spirituality. On the

other hand we have people like Ghenghis Khan(who rose

from beggary to emperorhood) who had tremendous

willpower but no spirituality.

 

>

> . Doing rigorous sadhana all

> > the time would be good but doing rigourous sadhana

> at

> > bad times should be necessary. And that is atleast

> a

> > start.

>

> yes sir that is what i was saying.

>

> > to do would be thank the astrologer for his

> services

> > and then find out someone who will teach him how

> to

> > overcome(like Gurudev).

>

> i agree with that fully.

> yes, vedanta philosophy is perfect. my only problem

> is it is too high

> for me yet. still it is good to keep the eyes on the

> sky.

 

neti, neti, when everything else has gone, the void

(Shunya) alone exists and then you have realised all.

How contradictory !!

 

Aum Namasivaya,

vijay

 

>

>

> > >

> > > this is the reason i am here in the first

> place...

> >

> > Same here. And I think most people are here to

> beat

> > their karma/prediction.

>

>

> atleast i am. it also requires good karma to find

> this path.

> jaigurudev

> anu

>

>

 

 

 

 

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, Yoga man <childofdevi> wrote:

>

> -

> Oh my God! Now you are asking for the impossible- you

> want everyone to chant for one whole hour; on top of

> that you also want to have concentration and devotion.

> That sounds like three impossibles(I am going to have

> to tell this to my brother who will probably go into a

> coma).

>

 

anyone who fears pain like me. the confident ones are free to live

like kings.

irituality as a backbone, no amount of will power

> > works.

>

> Not true, people like Bill Gates had tremendous

> willpower but without any seeming spirituality. On the

> other hand we have people like Ghenghis Khan(who rose

> from beggary to emperorhood) who had tremendous

> willpower but no spirituality.

>

i meant people who are really unlucky as indicated by their charts.

how do you kno bill gates has anunlucky chart. some people are

destined to go up. you know mental powers, lack of will, insanity can

all be checked in the charts by really good astrologer.

>

my only problem

> > is it is too high

> > for me yet. still it is good to keep the eyes on the

> > sky.

>

> neti, neti, when everything else has gone, the void

> (Shunya) alone exists and then you have realised all.

> How contradictory !!

>

this was really difficult for my bird brain. or may be we are tuned in

to different radio stations.

anyway,

good wishes

anu

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--- devi_bhagat <devi_bhagat wrote:

> , Yoga man <childofdevi>

> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > Oh my God! Now you are asking for the impossible-

> you

> > want everyone to chant for one whole hour; on top

> of

> > that you also want to have concentration and

> devotion.

> > That sounds like three impossibles(I am going to

> have

> > to tell this to my brother who will probably go

> into a

> > coma).

> >

>

> anyone who fears pain like me. the confident ones

> are free to live

> like kings.

> irituality as a backbone, no amount of will power

> > > works.

> >

> > Not true, people like Bill Gates had tremendous

> > willpower but without any seeming spirituality. On

> the

> > other hand we have people like Ghenghis Khan(who

> rose

> > from beggary to emperorhood) who had tremendous

> > willpower but no spirituality.

> >

> i meant people who are really unlucky as indicated

> by their charts.

> how do you kno bill gates has anunlucky chart. some

> people are

> destined to go up. you know mental powers, lack of

> will, insanity can

> all be checked in the charts by really good

> astrologer.

 

Now I notice a change of stance-so if someone does

reach a high station in life from obscure beginnings,

then it must in his chart. So to have willpower to

change the course of destiny, that too must be in his

charts-so basically everything in the chart!

 

You cannot beat these astrologers at their game. While

surfing the web I saw a lot of posts about how all of

them successfully "predicted" an effect after the

effect has happened:-)

 

 

The kind of astrologer that I talked about(the guy who

predicted specific events) are probably 1 in 1000. And

they usually have some kind of siddhi which is why

they are that good.

> >

> my only problem

> > > is it is too high

> > > for me yet. still it is good to keep the eyes on

> the

> > > sky.

> >

> > neti, neti, when everything else has gone, the

> void

> > (Shunya) alone exists and then you have realised

> all.

> > How contradictory !!

 

 

Neti, neti is the vedantist procedure for self

realisation(like Tota Puri guru of Ramakrishna). the

actual practise is that they keep repeating this all

time thinking that whatever they have thought is not

the end. Ultimately they get to a state of

thoughtlessness(shunya) and that is the great

realisation. Talking of bird brain, the author is

without a doubt a parrot reading out stuff that he

read elsewhere.

 

Aum namasivaya,

Vijay

 

 

> >

> this was really difficult for my bird brain. or may

> be we are tuned in

> to different radio stations.

> anyway,

> good wishes

> anu

> all of you must thank me for scaring the poor

> moderator away...

 

 

>

>

 

 

 

 

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--- I

>

>

> Neti, neti is the vedantist procedure for self

> realisation(like Tota Puri guru of Ramakrishna). the

> actual practise is that they keep repeating this all

> time thinking that whatever they have thought is not

> the end. Ultimately they get to a state of

> thoughtlessness(shunya) and that is the great

> realisation. Talking of bird brain, the author is

> without a doubt a parrot reading out stuff that he

> read elsewhere.

>

> Aum namasivaya,

> Vijay

>

> iti, iti. now i wish to really vanish.

talk to you all some other time.

good wishes

jai GURUDEV

 

anu

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Good luck and best wishes,

 

Aum Namasivaya,

Vijay

 

 

 

--- devi_bhagat <devi_bhagat wrote:

> --- I

> >

> >

> > Neti, neti is the vedantist procedure for self

> > realisation(like Tota Puri guru of Ramakrishna).

> the

> > actual practise is that they keep repeating this

> all

> > time thinking that whatever they have thought is

> not

> > the end. Ultimately they get to a state of

> > thoughtlessness(shunya) and that is the great

> > realisation. Talking of bird brain, the author is

> > without a doubt a parrot reading out stuff that he

> > read elsewhere.

> >

> > Aum namasivaya,

> > Vijay

> >

> > iti, iti. now i wish to really vanish.

> talk to you all some other time.

> good wishes

> jai GURUDEV

>

> anu

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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dear anu,

> as far as astrology goes you are right that there definitely exist

> people even though very very few who can make accurate predictions.

> i have not had the good fortune to meet such a person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any time you humbly decide that you really want to

meet such a person let me know,i know one, you will bow down before

him permenantly.(this is my belief, you need not write a counter to

it) kidding.later dont complain abt my lord that he didnt tell u.

if u are hurt i will take my words back.

> position of an astrologer is a position of power over you. what he

> says about your future influences you. if he tells you bad things,

it

> brings in fear and lack of faith, if he says good things that too

can

> lead to lack to motivated effort-since you believe you will get

> something and may get lethargic, and maybe the reward is lesser.

you

> may even panic because if the good period was between say jan to

june

> you may end up with aless than sensible decision.

> as far as appeasing planets goes, maybe it works faster because

they

> are lesser gods. i have nothing against a person having lots ogf

> problems trying out various things try this out too. we can chant

> mantras of all deities with reverence including planets.

>

> the best remedy for anyone with a not so good chart, is i think

> including some kind of rigorous sadhna in his daily regime,

accepting

> that a not so good chart means not so good karma im the past. my

only

> irritation is when they get definitely predictive. when they

interfere

> in important decisions like marraige, or career...and sometimes

> irresponsibly. there is nothing wrong with telling someone that

> appeasing saturn will help you.so do thi s very saturday...but

there

> definitely is something wrong with saying--you cannot get a job now

> e.g. it will happen only after 2 years. imagine the added suffering

to

> the soul. instead of telling people they cannot be IAS officers

they

> should be telling them what to do, in terms of fasting, chanting

> mantras prayers etc which will take them to their desire.

>

> this is the reason i am here in the first place...

 

true

 

affectionately

jai gurudev

[Guest guest]

--

>

> Any time you humbly decide that you really want

to

> meet such a person let me know,i know one, you will bow down before

> him permenantly.(this is my belief, you need not write a counter to

> it) kidding.later dont complain abt my lord that he didnt tell u.

> if u are hurt i will take my words back.

>

thank you very much for the offer. if one fine day, i wish it i will

humbly approach you to take me to him. but these things do not work

for me. i really do not know why. i told you about a pandit in

mehrouli area who is clairvoyant. who holds your wrist and makes

predictions. he told my mother that she had 2 daughters and a son, and

made very accurate predictions for my brother and father (which came

true later) for some reason whatever good he says for me never

materializes. it is just like hote hote ruka.

 

i also have an assamese friend who too seems to possess some powers

naturally --from past life maybe. she too had made acuurate

predictions for people. with me whatever she said did not work. either

i am under the influence of some negative forces these people cannot

see, or i do not know, but i think the problem lies with me not them.

But sure if i wish to, i will remeber to ask you. now that i know that

you know someone.

 

when 1 fine day i am feeling miserable i will approach you. but if it

is Ok this gentleman why do you not post his address/contact

information here so that other interested people can go to him??

wishes..

anu