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Dear all,

/jay gurudev/

Sorry for being late. Thanks a lot for the love and support.

I’m glad that the mess is sorted out over here and non of the members r leaving

at least for the 2 gems of .

Well as for my exams the result will be out anyday.

Currently I’m in grade 12 studying science with a goal of computer engineering

and I got to fight for scholarship so gonna be a tough year for me. After that

abroad..that’s whats scares me. Btw any uni’s in jodhpur?;-)

As for the parmar case I am glad that the shisyas fought

against it with all their might. Sorry for not posting anything coz I consider

myself unfit at least for now. First of all I’m not a true sadhak, forget about

being a shisya nor I was attached with pujya gurudev in this sthul form. 4/5

shukshma meetings with pujya gurudev, few miracles and small siddhis have given

me a prestige to call myself a sadhak. Bad news, I turned 18 recently. The days

are passing so fast and I am not at all pleased with what I have received till

now. Like anuji I’m uncomfortable making any comments or preaching without

having received a proficiency in sadhna. Anyway these cases are mushrooming out

over here too( Nepal) and I’m very much surprised that very close shisyas of

gurudev who have even stayed in gurudham with gurudev for months who have got

opportunities helping gurudev etc don’t respect gurutrimurti at all. I’m

confused yet I strongly believe whatever great siddhis they have got or how

close they have been to gurudev still they r wrong and they must come underguru

wani. As for kajal case just by cutting branches will not work. To solve the

problem we must attack the bast (roots).

I’m gonna continue my sadhna with all I have and when I am fit for

these things. When I become very close to gurudev then I shall put forward my

opinions, comments with full confidence.

Btw I don’t think narayanshisyas will become lions just by using

foul language. If nikhilshisyas r so interested in using foul language make a

word or a sentence that attacks the concerned person only. Nikhilshisyas wont

be called lions while attacking or bringing someone’s parents in front of the

battlefield. Narayanshisyas must ponder on guruwani” gandagi se gadnagi hi

paida hogi” be4 making such comments.

So its tough really tough to be on a good side and do good works.

But we r not alone that’s what counts most.

As for astrology I’m very much interested. I haven’t touched

astrology at all. Too complicated for me. But When I am fit I’m sure the

astrologers in this group shall guide me.

Anuji congratulations for getting a job.

As so much info on shivir is pouring in I envy those shisyas who got golden

opportunity to organize shivirs. Well I wonder if I ever reach that stage or

not.

Everybody have got individual levels of perception and

understanding. Critisisms r welcomed. And I assure all of u that I am not a

fool to leave the group when I am getting much knowledge bout astrology and

sadhna here.

 

Love,

Amit

 

//jay jay gorakh jay jay nikhil//

"Love in its absolute and pure form is all compassionate all pervaiding all

divine but often in the world petty selfishness assumes the name of love and

rules the world with hatred"

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JAI GURUDEV

Dear Amit,

> I turned 18 recently.

 

Congratulations! You are an adult now while you were still in your

dipers when I first met Guruji. Great, you have grown up and have

something to say.

> Sorry for not posting anything coz I consider myself unfit at

> least for now.

 

Really? But, I found a contradictory statement here.

> Btw I don't think narayanshisyas will become lions just by using

> foul language. If nikhilshisyas r so interested in using foul

> language make a word or a sentence that attacks the concerned

> person only. Nikhilshisyas wont be called lions while attacking

> or bringing someone's parents in front of the battlefield.

> Narayanshisyas must ponder on guruwani" gandagi se gadnagi hi

> paida hogi" be4 making such comments.

 

Amit, you are too young. You'll always be a kid for me. Still, you

have directed it to me and I must respond.

 

So, how do you think narayanshisyas will become Lions? By playing

Saints or by keeping quiet even if someone insults Guruji in front of

them? Guru is considered higher than God and one's parents. If

bringing someone's parents in front of the battlefield is wrong then

how can calling someone's Guru a fraud be right? I am not much sure

about the above mentioned Guruwani. I believe poison kills poison and

iron cuts iron. You may think of being polite and reasonable while

dealing with your misguided brother. But, while dealing with an

enemy, knocking him out once and for all is the only logical

solution. By using foul language, I was giving him a taste of his own

weapon. Unfortunately, you kept quiet while Kajal was calling Nand

Kishore Guruji a fraud, a thief, an alcoholic and chose to attack me

instead.

> few miracles and small siddhis have given me a prestige to call

> myself a sadhak.

 

Miracles? Something Guruji told us not to be amazed of. Siddhis?

Sadhak? Oh, great. First, try to be a disciple. If Guruji is in pain,

you must also feel the pain. If Guruji is attacked, insulted; make it

personal.

> When I become very close to gurudev then I shall put forward my

> opinions, comments with full confidence.

 

But, you already commented. That means you are very close to Guruji.

Congratulations! You have done it. The very root of success.

 

Apparently, the effect of Bhakti Kaal is far from over.

 

Amit, please don't take my words wrongly. Instead, try to understand

my type of love for Guruji. I am not a bhakt type, peace loving

person. I do not consider Guruji a God. I consider him my teacher, my

philosopher, my guide, my mother, my father and mostly, my best

friend. He is a part of my life and lifestyle. It becomes very hard

for me to control my anger when someone insults him or when someone,

directly or indirectly, defends a person who has insulted him.

 

You are allowed to call me a fool for leaving this group. I did this

because I was unable to defend someone I love most.

 

Ashish Marathe

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dear amit,

>

> Sorry for being late. Thanks a lot for the love

>and support. I'm glad that the mess is sorted out over here and non

>of the members r leaving at least for the 2 gems of .

 

dont need to feel sorry, if some engagment is important just attend

that, will not go any where, smart enough to realise them

as gems ,too much for such an age, we are proud of you.

 

>

> Well as for my exams the result will be out

anyday. Currently I'm in grade 12 studying science with a goal of

computer engineering and I got to fight for scholarship so gonna be a

tough year for me. After that abroad..that's whats scares me. Btw any

uni's in jodhpur?;-)

 

 

 

good lets know when its out, and you will have all the members support

hope that you should become like vivekanada which Gurudev has alway

s dreamt about.

>

> As for the parmar case I am glad that the

shisyas fought against it with all their might. Sorry for not posting

anything coz I consider myself unfit at least for now.

 

do what ever you can.

> First of all I'm not a true sadhak, forget about being a shisya nor

read my mail written to arvind i was mentioning the same topic,

if u have love for Gurudev thats more than required , to do anything

for him, Lord appreciates the intention.amit i know that u love

Gurudev the problem for you not responding is that you were pretty

in experienced now u have gained experience, and learnt how it would

to react.... see a lion teaches her cubs how to hunt... so you are

a cub , but still you are lion and learing how to hunt dont feel too

mcuh negative on your side.

 

>I was attached with pujya gurudev in this sthul form. 4/5 shukshma

>meetings with pujya gurudev, few miracles and small siddhis have

good achievement at such an age, let us know about your siddhis

and miracles

 

arvind and others i think we should compile a list of sadhnas and

people who have attained success in sadhnas and the tips they offer

and their contact no for guidance

it would be an worthwhile effort

 

 

> given me a prestige to call myself a sadhak.

 

dont allow such escapist attitudes in your life

> Bad news, I turned 18 recently. The days are passing so fast and

>am not at all pleased with what I have received till now. Like anuji

>I'm uncomfortable making any comments or preaching without having

>received a proficiency in sadhna.

 

we are family members sharing and consolidating our lives to that

common goal, no one is great/stupid no one is preaching here.

we all have our own natural prefernces we are just trying to stabilise

and acclerate to that common goal

>Anyway these cases are mushrooming out over here too( Nepal) and I'm

>very much surprised that very close shisyas of gurudev who have even

>stayed in gurudham with gurudev for months who have got

>opportunities helping gurudev etc don't respect gurutrimurti at all.

>I'm confused yet I strongly believe whatever great siddhis they have

>got or how close they have been to gurudev still they r wrong and

>they must come underguru wani. As for kajal case just by

>cutting .branches will not work. To solve the problem we must attack

>the bast (roots).

 

 

i too am confused like you , just dont concentrate on those things

and start doing sadhnas and see for your career.

 

>

> I'm gonna continue my sadhna with all I have and when I

>am fit for these things. When I become very close to gurudev then I

>shall put forward my opinions, comments with full confidence

 

well amit ,if anu would have thought that way you could not have got

the useful advise that really helped your sadhna

so dont think tommorow if i become perfect then ill do that....

remember once again that no one here is superior or preaching to each

other its LIKE A SATSANGA AN EDUCATED ONE WHERE WE LEARN BY

INTERATCTING WITH OTHER MEMBERS WHO HAVE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WHAT

EVERR IT MAY BE.

>

> Btw I don't think narayanshisyas will become lions just

>by using foul language.

AMIT AGAIN ITS LOOPING ... PEOPLE REACT IN DIFFERENT WAYS LETS NOT BE

TOO STRONG IN CONDEMNING THINGS SOME LIKE SOFT, SOME HARSH NO ONE OF

US IS PERFECT ONE SHOULD TELL IN LOVINGLY AND CARINGLY TO THAT PERSON

YEAH I AGREE THAT ASHISH SHOULD NOT HAVE ADDRESSED ALL THAT WAS THE

REASON ANU GOT EXCITED AND NOW YOU,WE TOO KNEW THAT WE DIDNT GET

EXCITED YOU MAY TELL ITS GOOD/BAD THAT YOU DIDNT REACT IT WAS A FAULT

ON OUR SIDE THAT I DIDNT REACT BUT WHAT I TELL IS THAT WHEN YOU ARE

REACTING SEE IN GENERAL THAT IT DOSENT HURT ATLEAST THE MEMBERS

 

 

 

>> As for astrology I'm very much interested. I haven't

>touched astrology at all. Too complicated for me. But When I am fit

>I'm sure the astrologers in this group shall guide me.

 

 

me too

>

> Anuji congratulations for getting a job.

>

we dont have the first hand information yet

> As so much info on shivir is pouring in I envy those shisyas who

got golden opportunity to JAI GURUDEV!

well amit i believe that you will do more than that if you have love

for Gurudev and a dream to always do something for him

 

love

JAI GURUDEV

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dear amit,

 

I'm glad that the mess is sorted out over here and non of

the members r leaving at least for the 2 gems of .

>

 

if we are the gems, you are the crown..

> Well as for my exams the result will be out

anyday. Currently I'm in grade 12 studying science with a goal of

computer engineering

 

work hard. i guess that is the toughest phase in student life. if you

are successful there everything else is much easier.

 

First of all

I'm not a true sadhak, forget about being a shisya nor I was attached

with pujya gurudev in this sthul form. 4/5 shukshma meetings with

pujya gurudev, few miracles and small siddhis have given me a prestige

to call myself a sadhak.

 

 

amit, my dear, first as i wrote to you, i am inferior to you and way

behind you. second, you also suffer from the same problem as me, not

knowing how to keep quiet. you are only 18. promise yourself today

that you will not mention your divine experiences and sidhis to any

one again in life. amit, that is the worst trap-- fame and

appreciation which leads to a sadhak's downfall.

 

in any case, a very happy birthday...

> Btw I don't think narayanshisyas will become lions just

by using foul language. If nikhilshisyas r so interested in using foul

language make a word or a sentence that attacks the concerned person

only. Nikhilshisyas wont be called lions while attacking or bringing

someone's parents in front of the battlefield.

 

 

 

amit, the problem as i wrote to you is not in abusing but in giving

your anger an outlet, a very unconstructive one. to confront arvind

again, after he wrote things like if i see that bastard i will

strangle him ( I do not know whose dignity is being maintained by

using ***), he forgot all about it. and started writing thanks giving

messages for the love showered his way. the energy that could have

been used constructively was rendered futile. a ver sensible mail

written by Mohan ji on startegy got lost in my nakhras...

 

as for ashish, he got irritated by the lack of reaction coupled by

sermonizing, and reacted by abusing again. But somehow, in the whole

process, the problem which as originally stated was how to cope with

the menance called rajesh parmar, and other similar groups got

redefined into

--

to abuse, or not to abuse-- whether or not that is lion like i do not

know, but it is no solution to the original problem.

 

 

love

jai GURUDEV

 

anu