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Hi

I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.

What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.

It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard

that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get

siddhi is by sex and other bad things.

But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always

believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be

avoided.

Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what

is tantra?

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Hi willi!

 

I was waiting if other knowledgeable persons can give a more

perfect answer. Let me share my thoughts on it.

 

People say that they are two paths of tantra The left hand

path and the right hand path. People in wordly classify taking of meat,

beer etc. to be followed in left hand path.

 

Let me share few which i thought over it. Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa has

said that which ever path we may follow in the end its the kundalini

which is to awaken. Now if we look at kundalini and its chakras then we

will find that it can only be awakened by pious acts. Pious acts and vice

versa affects the chakras in positive ways which lead to their awakening.

If we do all these non-pious acts taking meat, wine, etc. then we are

doing just the opposite.

 

Pujya Gurudev Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwaranandji has said that some

people like Bhayananda and his followers corrupted Tantra in order to

fulfill their selfish acts. He has time and again said that Tantra is all

pure and success on and through this path can only be achieved through all

piousness.

 

Also enlightment means that we become aware that we are not body, mind or

prana rather we are souls. All these non pious acts such as meat, wine,

drugs, sex etc. take us back to the bondage of body and mind. Then how can

these non-pious acts lead us to enlightment.

 

Pujya Gurudev has said that Tantra is a specialised way of performing

mantra sadhana. Meaning one kind of restructure the mantra sadhana in such

a way that it becomes more powerful. This restructured mantra sadhana is

called tantra sadhana. Everything else is same in both.

 

 

This is all my little bit understanding on this. I hope more knowledgeable

list members will enlighten you.

 

 

 

Best Regards,

Anurag

 

Ph: 527 6100

527 6108 extn. 4373

 

 

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 willi2131 wrote:

> Hi

> I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.

> What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.

> It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard

> that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get

> siddhi is by sex and other bad things.

> But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always

> believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be

> avoided.

> Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what

> is tantra?

>

>

>

>

> Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

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hello skeptic, your doubts can be cleeared by www.siddhasharam.org only, pl

seek their guidance, am sure Gurudev shrimaliji could clear youe mind.

jag

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<willi2131

 

Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:29 AM

jadu tona

 

> Hi

> I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.

> What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.

> It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard

> that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get

> siddhi is by sex and other bad things.

> But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always

> believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be

> avoided.

> Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what

> is tantra?

>

>

>

>

> Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

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willi i think lack of knowledge is your problem,and i feel pity that we

being indians dont know what is the meaning of tantra where as tantra is

being practised by other countries and they are being benefitted by the

practice.swami vivekananda said in 1899 or 1900 that india should teach the

world religion, yoga and other related things for enlightenment and should

learn science from west,but what i feel that while indian started learning

science from west we forgot our own religion and started taking our own

culture as bad & outdated .

so my answer to your question be indian practically not by birth.

sorry for being rude.

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<willi2131

 

Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:29 PM

jadu tona

 

> Hi

> I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.

> What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.

> It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard

> that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get

> siddhi is by sex and other bad things.

> But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always

> believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be

> avoided.

> Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what

> is tantra?

>

>

>

>

> Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Willi,

Tantra is NOT a bad thing at all. Like any other religion, Hindu religion

has also gone thru a dark phase in which the priests wanted to capture and

maintain power over the masses for their own petty ends. They projected

themselves as a chief class and intentionally made the various rites and

rituals complex. The idea was that the common man sud never be able to

understand the various rites. And ignorance breeds fear. And they managed

to maintain their hold over the masses using ignorance and fear for many

centuries.

The Hindu religion is a very open religion and everyone is free to practise

any rites or rituals. The religion encourages common man to perform Yagna,

Prayers and various rites himself. However, the priests had their own axe

to grind. This practice continues till today. The priests (pandas) in all

holy places - haridwar, varanasi etc. do it. Common man doesnt know the

basis or procedure for various rites and thus gets conned.

Mantras are a very powerful entity. One can do impossible sounding feats

thru it. However, certain conditions have to be followed religiously eg.

Correct pronounciation, poojan using correct method etc. Tantra basically

means the procedure and process to use Mantras to perform Sadhanas or

PRayer practice. However, most of the Indian people (like you) believe that

this is just hogwash and superstitious thing. It is a vicious circle. You

have a problem. You try to solve the problem using all means and ends. So,

you turn to God, and these so-called Godmen or priests. They take money

from you, and tell you that they have done 1.25 lakh or 1.25 crore Mantra

anushthaan for you. However, your situation doesnt change (because, in

reality they just cheated you and didnt do anything). Because, nothing

happenned, so you start to believe that this is all hogwash and a pack of

lies. And thus you join in the myth that Mantra &Tantra is useless.

Revered Gurudev wanted to explode and destroy this myth. So, He encouraged

common man to come forward, take Diksha and gain practical knowledge in

Sadhana Camps. During Sadhana Camps, Disciples perform Sadhanas under

Gurudev's guidance and achieve success. And slowly, people are beginning to

realise that this ancient Indian sciences are absolutely True and Correct.

People are getting soo many Divine Experiences after performing Sadhanas.

So many Sadhana Camps are being held every month in various places. Why

dont you go and attend a Sadhana Camp yourself and experience for yourself.

There is also a regular monthly magazine Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan is

also published which contains specific info on various rites and rituals

for Sadhanas. You should read this magazine . www.siddhashram.org has lots

of info on this.

Fear of Tantra is baseless. Tantra is a very sacred, very beautiful thing.

Most of our Rishis were Tantriks and performed Sadhana. Tantra is basically

a process of performing Sadhana .The priests knew that they didn't stand a

chance against a true practitioner of Tantra. So, they spread misbeliefs

and misconceptions about it. Some renegade Tantriks also supported them and

started a culture of sex , drinks , fear, sacrifices etc. So, common man

started getting afraid of it and tried to stay away from Tantriks. The real

good Tantriks started to get cut from the society and retired to forests

and caves. So, we, as a society got deprived of a good and benefitting

knowledge due to these petty antics of priests.

Tantra is a very pure entity. In fact, one has to practice complete

celibacy (both in thought and body), eat pure food, abstain from

smoking/drinking/etc. and observe various other rules while performing

Sadhana. So , reality is very far away from the truth. Tantra is NOT

related to sex or drinks or non-veg food etc.

 

In my view, Tantra is a very perfect science. Like any other science it has

its own laws and rules. And practising Tantra leads to mind concentration.

I think that this better mind-concentration leads to an enhanced sexual

pleasures. And, i think that this is why the Westerners (being a society

concerned only with sex) are attracted towards Tantra. The West associates

Tantra only with sex. They use some very simple Yogic exercises and very

simple Tantric techniques to achieve their sexual pleasures. This is

probably a by-product. A real Tantrik knows that the semen is the essence

and tries to preserve it. It is said in Tantrik texts that the normal flow

of "veerya" is downwards, but a Tantrik should always preserve it and use

Tantrik practice to change the direction of flow to upwards. Proabably, in

my view, this is what starts Kundalini activation. Most of these things are

interrelated to each other.

 

All the views given above are my own views. I will appreciate if fellow

group members could shed a light and confirm if these are correct views and

theories.

Jay Gurudev,

 

Knowledge is Power Supreme

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dear arvind , am pleased to know that you answered the jadu tuna question

beautifully, there lot of baseless rumours spread by ignorant people and

thus sincere seeker is thwarted in his effort. good person, may gurudev

bless u

jay gurudev

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<arvind_sharma

 

Monday, December 04, 2000 3:49 AM

Re: jadu tona

 

>

> Dear Willi,

> Tantra is NOT a bad thing at all. Like any other religion, Hindu religion

> has also gone thru a dark phase in which the priests wanted to capture and

> maintain power over the masses for their own petty ends. They projected

> themselves as a chief class and intentionally made the various rites and

> rituals complex. The idea was that the common man sud never be able to

> understand the various rites. And ignorance breeds fear. And they managed

> to maintain their hold over the masses using ignorance and fear for many

> centuries.

> The Hindu religion is a very open religion and everyone is free to

practise

> any rites or rituals. The religion encourages common man to perform Yagna,

> Prayers and various rites himself. However, the priests had their own axe

> to grind. This practice continues till today. The priests (pandas) in all

> holy places - haridwar, varanasi etc. do it. Common man doesnt know the

> basis or procedure for various rites and thus gets conned.

> Mantras are a very powerful entity. One can do impossible sounding feats

> thru it. However, certain conditions have to be followed religiously eg.

> Correct pronounciation, poojan using correct method etc. Tantra basically

> means the procedure and process to use Mantras to perform Sadhanas or

> PRayer practice. However, most of the Indian people (like you) believe

that

> this is just hogwash and superstitious thing. It is a vicious circle. You

> have a problem. You try to solve the problem using all means and ends. So,

> you turn to God, and these so-called Godmen or priests. They take money

> from you, and tell you that they have done 1.25 lakh or 1.25 crore Mantra

> anushthaan for you. However, your situation doesnt change (because, in

> reality they just cheated you and didnt do anything). Because, nothing

> happenned, so you start to believe that this is all hogwash and a pack of

> lies. And thus you join in the myth that Mantra &Tantra is useless.

> Revered Gurudev wanted to explode and destroy this myth. So, He

encouraged

> common man to come forward, take Diksha and gain practical knowledge in

> Sadhana Camps. During Sadhana Camps, Disciples perform Sadhanas under

> Gurudev's guidance and achieve success. And slowly, people are beginning

to

> realise that this ancient Indian sciences are absolutely True and Correct.

> People are getting soo many Divine Experiences after performing Sadhanas.

> So many Sadhana Camps are being held every month in various places. Why

> dont you go and attend a Sadhana Camp yourself and experience for

yourself.

> There is also a regular monthly magazine Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan is

> also published which contains specific info on various rites and rituals

> for Sadhanas. You should read this magazine . www.siddhashram.org has lots

> of info on this.

> Fear of Tantra is baseless. Tantra is a very sacred, very beautiful thing.

> Most of our Rishis were Tantriks and performed Sadhana. Tantra is

basically

> a process of performing Sadhana .The priests knew that they didn't stand a

> chance against a true practitioner of Tantra. So, they spread misbeliefs

> and misconceptions about it. Some renegade Tantriks also supported them

and

> started a culture of sex , drinks , fear, sacrifices etc. So, common man

> started getting afraid of it and tried to stay away from Tantriks. The

real

> good Tantriks started to get cut from the society and retired to forests

> and caves. So, we, as a society got deprived of a good and benefitting

> knowledge due to these petty antics of priests.

> Tantra is a very pure entity. In fact, one has to practice complete

> celibacy (both in thought and body), eat pure food, abstain from

> smoking/drinking/etc. and observe various other rules while performing

> Sadhana. So , reality is very far away from the truth. Tantra is NOT

> related to sex or drinks or non-veg food etc.

>

> In my view, Tantra is a very perfect science. Like any other science it

has

> its own laws and rules. And practising Tantra leads to mind

concentration.

> I think that this better mind-concentration leads to an enhanced sexual

> pleasures. And, i think that this is why the Westerners (being a society

> concerned only with sex) are attracted towards Tantra. The West associates

> Tantra only with sex. They use some very simple Yogic exercises and very

> simple Tantric techniques to achieve their sexual pleasures. This is

> probably a by-product. A real Tantrik knows that the semen is the essence

> and tries to preserve it. It is said in Tantrik texts that the normal flow

> of "veerya" is downwards, but a Tantrik should always preserve it and use

> Tantrik practice to change the direction of flow to upwards. Proabably, in

> my view, this is what starts Kundalini activation. Most of these things

are

> interrelated to each other.

>

> All the views given above are my own views. I will appreciate if fellow

> group members could shed a light and confirm if these are correct views

and

> theories.

> Jay Gurudev,

>

> Knowledge is Power Supreme

>

>

>

>

> Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

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In , willi2131@h... wrote:

> Hi

> I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup.

> What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra.

> It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard

> that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to

get

> siddhi is by sex and other bad things.

> But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always

> believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be

> avoided.

> Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me

what

>

is tantra?

Hello.....

Tantra mantra is kind of hidden power .Like, docter use knife to

save people's life. Same kind of knife can take peples life. It is

depend up to people how people use it.

Yes , that is tru some people misuse tantra and people belive tantra

is bad . Through the tantra and Mantra we can feel real life .We can

activate our Kundalini through tantra and mantra. Onse it activate we

can feel our soul where is it and we will get answer about our

previous life But for all of this thing we have to be power full guru

who is already activate his kundalani.

To say anithing about guru is not good . When time will come and if

there was guru in your previous life you will find out your guru

either your guru will send you hints. But it is depend up to you to

find out .

 

Ramesh

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