Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2000 Hi I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup. What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra. It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get siddhi is by sex and other bad things. But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be avoided. Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what is tantra? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2000 Hi willi! I was waiting if other knowledgeable persons can give a more perfect answer. Let me share my thoughts on it. People say that they are two paths of tantra The left hand path and the right hand path. People in wordly classify taking of meat, beer etc. to be followed in left hand path. Let me share few which i thought over it. Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa has said that which ever path we may follow in the end its the kundalini which is to awaken. Now if we look at kundalini and its chakras then we will find that it can only be awakened by pious acts. Pious acts and vice versa affects the chakras in positive ways which lead to their awakening. If we do all these non-pious acts taking meat, wine, etc. then we are doing just the opposite. Pujya Gurudev Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwaranandji has said that some people like Bhayananda and his followers corrupted Tantra in order to fulfill their selfish acts. He has time and again said that Tantra is all pure and success on and through this path can only be achieved through all piousness. Also enlightment means that we become aware that we are not body, mind or prana rather we are souls. All these non pious acts such as meat, wine, drugs, sex etc. take us back to the bondage of body and mind. Then how can these non-pious acts lead us to enlightment. Pujya Gurudev has said that Tantra is a specialised way of performing mantra sadhana. Meaning one kind of restructure the mantra sadhana in such a way that it becomes more powerful. This restructured mantra sadhana is called tantra sadhana. Everything else is same in both. This is all my little bit understanding on this. I hope more knowledgeable list members will enlighten you. Best Regards, Anurag Ph: 527 6100 527 6108 extn. 4373 On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 willi2131 wrote: > Hi > I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup. > What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra. > It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard > that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get > siddhi is by sex and other bad things. > But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always > believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be > avoided. > Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what > is tantra? > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 2, 2000 hello skeptic, your doubts can be cleeared by www.siddhasharam.org only, pl seek their guidance, am sure Gurudev shrimaliji could clear youe mind. jag - <willi2131 Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:29 AM jadu tona > Hi > I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup. > What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra. > It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard > that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get > siddhi is by sex and other bad things. > But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always > believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be > avoided. > Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what > is tantra? > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2000 willi i think lack of knowledge is your problem,and i feel pity that we being indians dont know what is the meaning of tantra where as tantra is being practised by other countries and they are being benefitted by the practice.swami vivekananda said in 1899 or 1900 that india should teach the world religion, yoga and other related things for enlightenment and should learn science from west,but what i feel that while indian started learning science from west we forgot our own religion and started taking our own culture as bad & outdated . so my answer to your question be indian practically not by birth. sorry for being rude. -------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - <willi2131 Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:29 PM jadu tona > Hi > I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup. > What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra. > It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard > that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get > siddhi is by sex and other bad things. > But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always > believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be > avoided. > Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what > is tantra? > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2000 Dear Willi, Tantra is NOT a bad thing at all. Like any other religion, Hindu religion has also gone thru a dark phase in which the priests wanted to capture and maintain power over the masses for their own petty ends. They projected themselves as a chief class and intentionally made the various rites and rituals complex. The idea was that the common man sud never be able to understand the various rites. And ignorance breeds fear. And they managed to maintain their hold over the masses using ignorance and fear for many centuries. The Hindu religion is a very open religion and everyone is free to practise any rites or rituals. The religion encourages common man to perform Yagna, Prayers and various rites himself. However, the priests had their own axe to grind. This practice continues till today. The priests (pandas) in all holy places - haridwar, varanasi etc. do it. Common man doesnt know the basis or procedure for various rites and thus gets conned. Mantras are a very powerful entity. One can do impossible sounding feats thru it. However, certain conditions have to be followed religiously eg. Correct pronounciation, poojan using correct method etc. Tantra basically means the procedure and process to use Mantras to perform Sadhanas or PRayer practice. However, most of the Indian people (like you) believe that this is just hogwash and superstitious thing. It is a vicious circle. You have a problem. You try to solve the problem using all means and ends. So, you turn to God, and these so-called Godmen or priests. They take money from you, and tell you that they have done 1.25 lakh or 1.25 crore Mantra anushthaan for you. However, your situation doesnt change (because, in reality they just cheated you and didnt do anything). Because, nothing happenned, so you start to believe that this is all hogwash and a pack of lies. And thus you join in the myth that Mantra &Tantra is useless. Revered Gurudev wanted to explode and destroy this myth. So, He encouraged common man to come forward, take Diksha and gain practical knowledge in Sadhana Camps. During Sadhana Camps, Disciples perform Sadhanas under Gurudev's guidance and achieve success. And slowly, people are beginning to realise that this ancient Indian sciences are absolutely True and Correct. People are getting soo many Divine Experiences after performing Sadhanas. So many Sadhana Camps are being held every month in various places. Why dont you go and attend a Sadhana Camp yourself and experience for yourself. There is also a regular monthly magazine Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan is also published which contains specific info on various rites and rituals for Sadhanas. You should read this magazine . www.siddhashram.org has lots of info on this. Fear of Tantra is baseless. Tantra is a very sacred, very beautiful thing. Most of our Rishis were Tantriks and performed Sadhana. Tantra is basically a process of performing Sadhana .The priests knew that they didn't stand a chance against a true practitioner of Tantra. So, they spread misbeliefs and misconceptions about it. Some renegade Tantriks also supported them and started a culture of sex , drinks , fear, sacrifices etc. So, common man started getting afraid of it and tried to stay away from Tantriks. The real good Tantriks started to get cut from the society and retired to forests and caves. So, we, as a society got deprived of a good and benefitting knowledge due to these petty antics of priests. Tantra is a very pure entity. In fact, one has to practice complete celibacy (both in thought and body), eat pure food, abstain from smoking/drinking/etc. and observe various other rules while performing Sadhana. So , reality is very far away from the truth. Tantra is NOT related to sex or drinks or non-veg food etc. In my view, Tantra is a very perfect science. Like any other science it has its own laws and rules. And practising Tantra leads to mind concentration. I think that this better mind-concentration leads to an enhanced sexual pleasures. And, i think that this is why the Westerners (being a society concerned only with sex) are attracted towards Tantra. The West associates Tantra only with sex. They use some very simple Yogic exercises and very simple Tantric techniques to achieve their sexual pleasures. This is probably a by-product. A real Tantrik knows that the semen is the essence and tries to preserve it. It is said in Tantrik texts that the normal flow of "veerya" is downwards, but a Tantrik should always preserve it and use Tantrik practice to change the direction of flow to upwards. Proabably, in my view, this is what starts Kundalini activation. Most of these things are interrelated to each other. All the views given above are my own views. I will appreciate if fellow group members could shed a light and confirm if these are correct views and theories. Jay Gurudev, Knowledge is Power Supreme Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2000 dear arvind , am pleased to know that you answered the jadu tuna question beautifully, there lot of baseless rumours spread by ignorant people and thus sincere seeker is thwarted in his effort. good person, may gurudev bless u jay gurudev - <arvind_sharma Monday, December 04, 2000 3:49 AM Re: jadu tona > > Dear Willi, > Tantra is NOT a bad thing at all. Like any other religion, Hindu religion > has also gone thru a dark phase in which the priests wanted to capture and > maintain power over the masses for their own petty ends. They projected > themselves as a chief class and intentionally made the various rites and > rituals complex. The idea was that the common man sud never be able to > understand the various rites. And ignorance breeds fear. And they managed > to maintain their hold over the masses using ignorance and fear for many > centuries. > The Hindu religion is a very open religion and everyone is free to practise > any rites or rituals. The religion encourages common man to perform Yagna, > Prayers and various rites himself. However, the priests had their own axe > to grind. This practice continues till today. The priests (pandas) in all > holy places - haridwar, varanasi etc. do it. Common man doesnt know the > basis or procedure for various rites and thus gets conned. > Mantras are a very powerful entity. One can do impossible sounding feats > thru it. However, certain conditions have to be followed religiously eg. > Correct pronounciation, poojan using correct method etc. Tantra basically > means the procedure and process to use Mantras to perform Sadhanas or > PRayer practice. However, most of the Indian people (like you) believe that > this is just hogwash and superstitious thing. It is a vicious circle. You > have a problem. You try to solve the problem using all means and ends. So, > you turn to God, and these so-called Godmen or priests. They take money > from you, and tell you that they have done 1.25 lakh or 1.25 crore Mantra > anushthaan for you. However, your situation doesnt change (because, in > reality they just cheated you and didnt do anything). Because, nothing > happenned, so you start to believe that this is all hogwash and a pack of > lies. And thus you join in the myth that Mantra &Tantra is useless. > Revered Gurudev wanted to explode and destroy this myth. So, He encouraged > common man to come forward, take Diksha and gain practical knowledge in > Sadhana Camps. During Sadhana Camps, Disciples perform Sadhanas under > Gurudev's guidance and achieve success. And slowly, people are beginning to > realise that this ancient Indian sciences are absolutely True and Correct. > People are getting soo many Divine Experiences after performing Sadhanas. > So many Sadhana Camps are being held every month in various places. Why > dont you go and attend a Sadhana Camp yourself and experience for yourself. > There is also a regular monthly magazine Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan is > also published which contains specific info on various rites and rituals > for Sadhanas. You should read this magazine . www.siddhashram.org has lots > of info on this. > Fear of Tantra is baseless. Tantra is a very sacred, very beautiful thing. > Most of our Rishis were Tantriks and performed Sadhana. Tantra is basically > a process of performing Sadhana .The priests knew that they didn't stand a > chance against a true practitioner of Tantra. So, they spread misbeliefs > and misconceptions about it. Some renegade Tantriks also supported them and > started a culture of sex , drinks , fear, sacrifices etc. So, common man > started getting afraid of it and tried to stay away from Tantriks. The real > good Tantriks started to get cut from the society and retired to forests > and caves. So, we, as a society got deprived of a good and benefitting > knowledge due to these petty antics of priests. > Tantra is a very pure entity. In fact, one has to practice complete > celibacy (both in thought and body), eat pure food, abstain from > smoking/drinking/etc. and observe various other rules while performing > Sadhana. So , reality is very far away from the truth. Tantra is NOT > related to sex or drinks or non-veg food etc. > > In my view, Tantra is a very perfect science. Like any other science it has > its own laws and rules. And practising Tantra leads to mind concentration. > I think that this better mind-concentration leads to an enhanced sexual > pleasures. And, i think that this is why the Westerners (being a society > concerned only with sex) are attracted towards Tantra. The West associates > Tantra only with sex. They use some very simple Yogic exercises and very > simple Tantric techniques to achieve their sexual pleasures. This is > probably a by-product. A real Tantrik knows that the semen is the essence > and tries to preserve it. It is said in Tantrik texts that the normal flow > of "veerya" is downwards, but a Tantrik should always preserve it and use > Tantrik practice to change the direction of flow to upwards. Proabably, in > my view, this is what starts Kundalini activation. Most of these things are > interrelated to each other. > > All the views given above are my own views. I will appreciate if fellow > group members could shed a light and confirm if these are correct views and > theories. > Jay Gurudev, > > Knowledge is Power Supreme > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 6, 2000 In , willi2131@h... wrote: > Hi > I just saw this web site and wondered over to this newsgroup. > What is Tantra? How can u golrify Tantra. > It is all jadu-tona. I am very much afraid of Tantra. I have heard > that Tantriks eat meat, take drugs, beer etc. and the only way to get > siddhi is by sex and other bad things. > But your site says the opposite. I am very much confused. I always > believed that Tantra is a very bad thing and tantriks are to be > avoided. > Can anyone clear my doubts. What is correct? can anyone tell me what > is tantra? Hello..... Tantra mantra is kind of hidden power .Like, docter use knife to save people's life. Same kind of knife can take peples life. It is depend up to people how people use it. Yes , that is tru some people misuse tantra and people belive tantra is bad . Through the tantra and Mantra we can feel real life .We can activate our Kundalini through tantra and mantra. Onse it activate we can feel our soul where is it and we will get answer about our previous life But for all of this thing we have to be power full guru who is already activate his kundalani. To say anithing about guru is not good . When time will come and if there was guru in your previous life you will find out your guru either your guru will send you hints. But it is depend up to you to find out . Ramesh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
