Welcome to advaitin@onelist.com

October 23, 1998

did you type all that.

well can i hjoin your group

October 23, 1998

Welcome J884007. Please let us know something about you.

On this list people post interesting and inspiring things. Sometimes

someone will point out a resource on line that is new to me and is fun to

explore. I appreciate that we respect each other and treat each other

courteously as is appropriate. I hope you enjoy the list as well.

In our studies my teacher used to say that it was possible that someone

somewhere had taught or even is teaching the precise same thing as what we

were taught, what this list is referring as "advaita vedanta." That is a

curious possibility and I have always been open to discovering such another

source, ancient or modern. So far as I have been able to discover, however,

it seems that this teaching has been preserved in its most complete form,

along with the teaching method, by a long line of living teachers, still

continuing today around the world, so that it can be transmitted to someone

these days exactly as clearly as it was thousands of years ago to Vedavyasa

and others. Definitely awesome!

Although I am both a woman and an American, I studied with Swami Dayananda

Saraswati in Northern California from 1979 to 1982. After that, for my own

benefit, I taught classes in Sanskrit and Vedanta. Pretty soon, I also did

children's classes. Usually I volunteer to take the youngest children. Now

some of those from the early days are in college!

I live in Berkeley, CA. I work at the University of California, Berkeley.

I am building a website for Vedanta at

http://members.xoom.com/aikya/aikya/

I am working on adding daily readings on Ramana Maharshi's Upadesha Saram

currently. One person who happened to have a Mac found it impossible to

read the devanagari or transliteration for the Sanskrit. Another site, 99%

text, using Itrans encoding, was then created to resolve that problem. It

can be found at

http://members.tripod.com/~aikya/

It's fun for me to post the chapters. Maybe this website keeps me writing

the commentary so that someday there can be a small book of daily readings

on this text.

Even as we discover the truth of the transcendant self of all, which we can

only know as our true selves with the help of the scriptures and, very

likely, a well qualified teacher, the life of the little "i", the guy with

the dot on his head as someone here wrote, the apparently real me,

continues, need not be denied or rejected, since it is not quite real. The

one who is clear about this is free to enjoy the life at present and to

come.

Aikya Param

P.O. Box 4193

Berkeley, CA 94704-0193

Advaita Vedanta for Today (graphics)

http://members.xoom.com/aikya/aikya/

Advaita Vedanta for Today (text version)

http://members.tripod.com/~aikya/

J884007 <J884007

advaitin <advaitin >

Friday, October 23, 1998 6:39 AM

Re: Welcome to advaitin

>J884007

>

>did you type all that.

>well can i hjoin your group

>

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>Discussion of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy, its true meaning,

profundity, richness and beauty with the focus on the non-duality between

mind and matter

October 23, 1998

Greetings:

You are already in and now you know that you already!

On behalf of the list, I welcome you and looking forward to your fruitful

association to this forum. May I request you to introduce yourself to the forum

with a

brief paragraph regarding your interest to non-dual phiilosphy of human life.

Thank you and welcome you again,

--

Ram Chandran

Burke, VA

October 23, 1998

Greetings all,

It surely has been a pleasure to ready inspiring words from all of you.

However, I am not sure if any of you received some of my views and

commentaries - as I am not too good with cyberspace and its methodology.

My name is Meena. I am a disciple of Param Pujya Swami Chinmayananda, whom

I knew since I was 13 years old. I have been blessed with his blessings in

the early years of my marriage and in the naming of my children. I promote

His work by running children classes and youth classes as well as I attend

study groups. I am self-employed as an acupuncturist and run a medical

business. I have two boys ages 8 and 5 and my husband works as a computer

analyst.

I am glad to be on board.

Hari OM, meena Grimsby ON

----------

> Ram Chandran <chandran

> advaitin

> Re: Welcome to advaitin

> Friday, October 23, 1998 1:35 PM

>

> Ram Chandran <chandran

>

> Greetings:

>

> You are already in and now you know that you already!

> On behalf of the list, I welcome you and looking forward to your fruitful

association to this forum. May I request you to introduce yourself to the

forum with a

> brief paragraph regarding your interest to non-dual phiilosphy of human

life.

>

> Thank you and welcome you again,

>

> --

> Ram Chandran

> Burke, VA

>

> ------

> To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription

> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and

> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

> ------

> Discussion of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy, its true meaning,

profundity, richness and beauty with the focus on the non-duality between

mind and matter

November 13, 1998

On 13 Nov 98, at 5:29, advaitin-owner wrote:

> New members

> shall provide a brief background information about their interest in

> non-dual philosophy to the list members.

>

i belong to Eckankar, the religion of light and sound.

non-dualism is a central idea defining the transition

from the 4th (mental) to the 5th plane (soul).

everything below the 5th is dualistic.

i discovered this ancient teaching in '78 and have found nothing better.

the theme of this list is very similar, except for specific exercises

which would allow for real experience of non-duality,

rather than only mentally discussing it.

or perhaps there are techniques that i haven't heard of yet.

namaste,

peter

December 18, 1998

advaitin-owner wrote:

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> Provide your Email address and a password for future access and follow the

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> If you don't have Internet access, then send an email to the list owner: Ram

> Chandran, chandran indicating your interest.

>

> What is the Scope of Advaitin?

>

> Advaitin is a philosophical discussion Forum to study the

relationship

> between the individual soul, Atman and the universal soul, Brahman with the

> appearance of the World. The Forum will synthesize the fundamental ideas of

> Vedanta (philosophical thoughts) in the Upanishads. Members will focus their

> viewpoints to recognize the true meaning, profundity, richness and beauty of

> Sankara's non-dual philosophy. According to Sankara, the saint philosopher

from

>

> India, God is infinitely higher and is also infinitely nearer. He is nearer to

> us than our hands and feet. He is the Soul of all souls. He is neither the

> body, the senses, the mind, the ego nor the intellect. He is "I," the

> ever-present witness to all experiences. He is Atman and the Brahman and is

the

> only Reality.

>

> Sankara's Advaita Philosophy blends Karma and Maya with a logical exposition

of

>

> the idea of non-dualism. The doctrine of Karma asserts the influence of past

to

> the present. The idea Maya represents the illusionary power which falsifies

the

>

> appearance of the universe as the Namarupa (various names and forms.)

According

> to Sankara, Brahman, the infinite consciousness, is the sole reality. Sankara

> establishes the essential identity between Atman and Brahman. His Guru

> Gaudapada unconsciously influenced Sankara with the tenets of Buddhist

> philosophy. On the other hand, Sankara's philosophical works show that he was

> clearly against the Buddhist thought. The scope of this Forum consists of

> pre-Sankara, post-Sankara and contemporary Advaita (Indian and non-Indian)

that

> envelopes a broader spectrum of philosophical systems of non-duality.

> Interpretations can expand beyond Indian culture and philosophy and

discussions

> will also include personal experiences.

>

> This list is truly dedicated to Sankara and Vedavyasa and other sages and

> saints of East and West who have contributed to non-dual philosophy. The

> primary purpose of this list is to facilitate meaningful discussions in a

> friendly and pleasant atmosphere. This list will restrict the discussions to

> non-dual philosophies that fall within the framework of Sankara's Advaita

> Vedanta. The members of this list do recognize that "self-realization" is a

> personal experience and consequently personal spiritual experiences are more

> than welcome.

>

> What is the responsibility of the members?

>

> This is a spiritual forum and discussants should avoid writing objectionable

> materials such as personal attacks, sexual Tantra practices, etc. Most of us

do

>

> not tolerate abusive personal attacks by any discussant and the list owner may

> forced to ask the offender with repeated offences to leave the list. We want

> the discussants to show respect to saints and sages from all traditions.

> Majority of the members of Advaitin List wants to keep this forum free from

> unnecessary regulations and restrictions. New members shall provide a brief

> background information about their interest in non-dual philosophy to the list

> members.

>

> What is an Advaitin mailing list?

>

> Advaitin Mailing list is an electronic Spiritual Forum to permit people who

> believe in Advaita to exchange their viewpoints in a friendly atmosphere.

The

> mailing address is: advaitin .

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>

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> email is ignored. This feature is to prevent spamming.

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>

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mailing

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> list is a list that requires the list owner to approve all email before they

are

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> sent to the list. A restricted mailing list is a list that requires the list

> owner to approve all subscription requests to the list. Advaitin will permit

> members to send announcements that are relevant and pertain to the List

> objectives. Advaitin wants to remain unmoderated and unrestricted and expects

> full cooperation from the members to preserve this tradition.

>

> Reference URL: HTTP://www./viewarchive.cgi?listname=advaitin

> Suggested Maturity Level: For People Over 17, non-restricted & non

moderated.

> Public Archives: HTTP://www./viewarchive.cgi?listname=advaitin

> Goal: Discussion of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy to focus on the

> true meaning, profundity, richness and beauty of non-duality between mind and

> matter.

>

> What does the list owner do?

>

> Overall, the list owner is responsible for keeping the list interesting and

> on-topic. The list owner is also responsible for promoting the mailing list.

If

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> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

> 2. Test -- pls ignore

> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

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> Ram Chandran <chandran (AT) xxxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

> 4. Re: The New List is Effective immediately

> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

> 5. Shamanisam (was RE: Imprecision in religious conversations )

> Madhava Kumar Turumella <madhava (AT) xxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

> 6. Re: Shamanisam (was RE: Imprecision in religious conversations )

> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

> 7. Re: Shamanism

> "f. maiello" <egodust (AT) xxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

> 8. Re: Shamanism

> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

> 9. Re: Shamanism

> Madhava Kumar Turumella <madhava (AT) xxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

>

> You can also preview the archive index by CLICKING <Archive Index>

> The Index is arranged from the latest to first as shown below:

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> Digest 3, dated Sun Sep 6 05:37:58 1998

> Digest 2, dated Sat Sep 5 05:37:19 1998

> Digest 1, dated Fri Sep 4 06:07:55 1998

> Digest 0, dated Thu Sep 3 06:34:25 1998

>

> Thanks,

>

> Ram Chandran

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>

> The List OwnerDear Ram Chandran,

Many thanks for enrolling me. I shall be a bystander initially,

reading the messages and learning from the discussions, and someday,

hopefully I will be able to meaningfully participate in the discussions.

Best regards, Pankaj

January 21, 1999

Hello,

My name is Linda Callanan (Deva Anju). I am a Raj-Kundalini Yoga Instructor

as well as a Vedic Astrologer. My belief system is intellectually based on

Eastern 'Non-Dualistic' Philosophy and the teachings of the Unpanishads,

Brahman Sutras, Siva Sutras etc. Experientially, my beliefs are based on

meditative experiences that bring me at times to the non-dualistic

consciousness and my day to day living incorporates the practice of trying

to stay there.

I simply look forward to communicating with others of like mind.

Sincerely,

Deva

advaitin-owner [advaitin-owner ]

Thursday, January 21, 1999 5:45 PM

sjhar

Welcome to advaitin

Greetings,

Welcome to the list. Please take a moment to review this message.

1. The subject matter was the writings and thought primarily of Advaita

Vedanta (non-dual philosophy) due to Saint Shankaracharya.

2. The list was started to provide a forum free of personal attack, remarks

demeaning individuals or groups, and fostering courteous exchange of

views.

3. This is not an open list but is subject to moderation when necessary.

4. Correspondence to the list should not be used to sell any product but may

be used to inform members of books, tapes, lectures or other media that are

on topic and may otherwise be difficult to locate.

5. New members are requested to introduce themselves by replying to this

notice. Their self-introduction message may be posted then to the list as a

whole or, if their interests do not seem germaine to the group purpose, the

potentiallist member will be so notified and urged to look for another list

of like-minded individuals.

6. Later postings which do not adhere to these guidelines could be a cause

of removal of the member from the group.

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ ON ADVAITIN)

What is an Advaitin mailing list?

Advaitin Mailing list is an electronic Spiritual Forum to permit people who

believe in Advaita to exchange their viewpoints in a friendly atmosphere.

The

mailing address is: advaitin .

What is the Scope of Advaitin?

Advaitin is a philosophical discussion Forum to study the

relationship

between the individual soul, Atman and the universal soul, Brahman with the

appearance of the World. The Forum will synthesize the fundamental ideas

of

Vedanta (philosophical thoughts) in the Upanishads. Members will focus their

viewpoints to recognize the true meaning, profundity, richness and beauty of

Sankara's non-dual philosophy. According to Sankara, the saint philosopher

from

India, God is infinitely higher and is also infinitely nearer. He is nearer

to

us than our hands and feet. He is the Soul of all souls. He is neither the

body, the senses, the mind, the ego nor the intellect. He is "I," the

ever-present witness to all experiences. He is Atman and the Brahman and is

the

only Reality.

Sankara's Advaita Philosophy blends Karma and Maya with a logical

exposition of

the idea of non-dualism. The doctrine of Karma asserts the influence of past

to

the present. The idea Maya represents the illusionary power which falsifies

the

appearance of the universe as the Namarupa (various names and forms.)

According

to Sankara, Brahman, the infinite consciousness, is the sole reality.

Sankara

establishes the essential identity between Atman and Brahman. His Guru

Gaudapada unconsciously influenced Sankara with the tenets of Buddhist

philosophy. On the other hand, Sankara's philosophical works show that he

was

clearly against the Buddhist thought. The scope of this Forum consists of

pre-Sankara, post-Sankara and contemporary Advaita (Indian and non-Indian)

that

envelopes a broader spectrum of philosophical systems of non-duality.

Interpretations can expand beyond Indian culture and philosophy and

discussions

will also include personal experiences.

This list is truly dedicated to Sankara and Vedavyasa and other sages and

saints of East and West who have contributed to non-dual philosophy. The

primary purpose of this list is to facilitate meaningful discussions in a

friendly and pleasant atmosphere. This list will restrict the discussions

to

non-dual philosophies that fall within the framework of Sankara's Advaita

Vedanta. The members of this list do recognize that "self-realization" is

a

personal experience and consequently personal spiritual experiences are more

than welcome.

How do I to Advaitin?

If you have Internet access, the procedure is very simple.

Go to URL: HTTP://www./viewarchive.cgi?listname=advaitin

Click <Subscribe to the List>

Provide your Email address and a password for future access and follow the

directions.

If you don't have Internet access, then send an email to the list owner: Ram

Chandran, chandran indicating your interest.

What is the responsibility of the members?

This is a spiritual forum and discussants should avoid writing objectionable

materials such as personal attacks, sexual Tantra practices, etc. Most of

us do

not tolerate abusive personal attacks by any discussant and the list owner

may

forced to ask the offender with repeated offences to leave the list. We

want

the discussants to show respect to saints and sages from all religions and

traditions.

When a member violates list policies and objectives, such members's postings

are

subject to moderation for an indefinite time period. Majority of the members

of

Advaitin List wants to keep this forum free from unnecessary regulations and

restrictions.

What are the requirements for New members ?

New members shall provide a brief background information about their

interest

in non-dual philosophy to the list members. For a brief time period,

postings

from

the new members shall be moderated.

Does it cost anything to to Advaitin mailing list?

ONElist is a FREE service and the web-site is free and Advaitin mailing list

wants to remain as a free service to the world community.

What is ONElist's policy on SPAM?

ONElist has taken several measures to discourage spam, or unsolicited

commercial

email. Part of the registration process involves responding to an email

message

that ONElist sends out. This is to ensure that every list r is

using a

valid email address and be held accountable if they spam. Only rs

to a

list may send email to the list. All archived messages on the ONElist web

site

have had the sending email addresses removed. This is to eliminate address

harvesting.

Why did I never receive the confirmation email?

The most common cause of this is an incorrect email address.

Why did I not receiving email anymore?

The first thing to do is to check the list archives to see if there are

messages that you have not received. It could be that no one has sent any

email

to the lists lately.

Why did my email to the advaitin list bounce back?

This could be for several reasons. Most probably, the email from an email

address is not the same as the one you provided when you registered and the

email is ignored. This feature is to prevent spamming.

What are the characteristics of Advaitin mailing list?

Advaitin is presently an unmoderated and unrestricted list. A moderated

mailing

list is a list that requires the list owner to approve all email before they

are

sent to the list. A restricted mailing list is a list that requires the

list

owner to approve all subscription requests to the list. Advaitin will permit

members to send announcements that are relevant and pertain to the List

objectives. Advaitin wants to remain unmoderated and unrestricted and

expects

full cooperation from the members to preserve this tradition.

Reference URL: HTTP://www./viewarchive.cgi?listname=advaitin

Suggested Maturity Level: For People Over 17, non-restricted & non

moderated.

Public Archives: HTTP://www./viewarchive.cgi?listname=advaitin

Goal: Discussion of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy to focus on the

true meaning, profundity, richness and beauty of non-duality between mind

and

matter.

What does the list owner do?

Overall, the list owner is responsible for keeping the list interesting and

on-topic. The list owner is also responsible for promoting the mailing list.

If

necessary, the list owner may require approval of email from some

members before they are sent to the list. If the mailing list is a

restricted

list,

the list owner must approve all rs before they can to the

mailing list. If the mailing list is an announcement list, then the list

owner

is the

only person who can send email to the mailing list.

Can the list owner add people to list without their permission?

No! The List Owner uses two features: (1) Invite Users Feature and (2) Add

Users Feature. The Invite Users Feature sends out an email to people telling

them how to to the list. The Add Users Feature s people

to

the list. If the people being d have never registered with ONElist

before, they are sent a confirmation email to validate the subscription.

How do I un-?

To un- from any lists you are on, or to change your subscription

from

normal to digest mode and back, click on the User Center link on the menu

bar on

the left. To access the User Center screen, type in your email address and

password and click the 'login' button. Options to change your email address

or

password, to which your subscription from normal to digest mode and back, or

to

un- are all available on the User Center screen.

Ok, I've d to a list, now how to I send email to it?

To send email to the list you've d to, send to the address

advaitin ,

Are there any limits on the number of messages sent by a r to

Advaitin?

ONElist has no restrictions on the number of messages sent to a list.

Is it possible for me to change the displayed name with all my email?

ONElist just uses the name that you sent with the email. So to change this,

change the configuration of your email package.

What is the No Mail, option about? What is the Digest option about?

The No Mail and Digest options are available according to the need of the

members. No Mail option is useful if you are going on vacation and don't

want

email to pile up while you are gone. The digest option is useful if you

don't

want to fill your mailboxes with email. By clicking on the Set Digest link

in

the User Center, you will receive mail delivery in a digest (mails in

group).

By clicking on the Set No Mail link in the User Center, you will turn off

mail

delivery for that list. Mail will not be saved while you are not receiving

email. If you have Internet access, you should be able to set these

options

interactively. Otherwise send an email to the list owner: Ram Chandran at:

chandran

Can I view the Advaitin List Archieves?

Yes!

Go to Web Site: HTTP://www./viewarchive.cgi?listname=advaitin

Now you can view all the messages from the current list in the order of

their

postings (Date & Time).

Digest 0 dated Wed Sep 3 00:35:37 1998 contains the following messages:

1. Re: Independent existence of the world.

Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

2. Test -- pls ignore

Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

3. The New List is Effective immediately

Ram Chandran <chandran (AT) xxxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

4. Re: The New List is Effective immediately

Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

5. Shamanisam (was RE: Imprecision in religious conversations )

Madhava Kumar Turumella <madhava (AT) xxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

6. Re: Shamanisam (was RE: Imprecision in religious conversations )

Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

7. Re: Shamanism

"f. maiello" <egodust (AT) xxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

8. Re: Shamanism

Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

9. Re: Shamanism

Madhava Kumar Turumella <madhava (AT) xxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

You can also preview the archive index by CLICKING <Archive Index>

The Index is arranged from the latest to first as shown below:

Digest 121, dated Tue Jan 19 03:04:32 1999

Digest 120, dated Mon Jan 18 03:29:14 1999

Digest 119, dated Sat Jan 16 03:10:26 1999

Digest 118, dated Fri Jan 15 03:03:39 1999

Digest 117, dated Thu Jan 14 02:07:15 1999

Digest 116, dated Wed Jan 13 02:13:33 1999

Digest 2, dated Sat Sep 5 05:37:19 1998

Digest 1, dated Fri Sep 4 06:07:55 1998

Digest 0, dated Thu Sep 3 06:34:25 1998

Thanks,

Ram Chandran

Burke, VA

The List Owner & Moderator

January 23, 1999

Introduction (long)

My name is Jan which in this part of the world is a name given to a male.

Contrary to what is usual, I didn't show a particular interest in spiritual

life or meditation. It was destiny putting me on the track that is one way

only. It won't be a surprise that the Kathopanishad became my "favorite".

An event at age 7 did set the scene for life. At school, the teacher taught

us, God was all mercy, but would send thunder and lightning when we dared to

open our eyes during prayer. Combining the two, I considered taking the risk

would at least prove God’s existence. Much to my disappointment, nothing

happened and what was worse, the teacher was looking around also. He

punished me. I went home and told the story to my father. He ran away as

fast as he could, LOL. As a result, I became a foremost atheist, "curing"

everyone from belief, even a vicar, by using logic. Being disappointed in

what human relations had to offer, I took part in risky actions against

injustice. When one of those actions failed due to an error I made, I

reflected on what would be an appropriate penalty for fatal failure. Death,

of course. I swallowed what was needed but was taken out of coma by the

police. They subjected me to illegal interrogation. My friends used this in

a petition and the action succeeded after all. The coma was more like a NDE.

There was supreme peace, not a single thought but it was very faint. The

aftertaste of it was so much stronger than the experience itself, it kept me

puzzled. As I had taken leave from life for solid reasons, I was faced with

the situation of how to continue life, as one can take leave from life only

once. Behavior changed into a mere fulfilling of duties, remaining passive

always, having lost all interest in any participation. There was no mood

whatsoever; no joy, no sadness, no indifference. This situation lasted for

about 6 months, then on one day something happened that changed life

completely. Leaving the post office, there was the sudden feeling of having

to faint. Going down within the compartments of the revolving door, I

realized there wasn’t even embarrassment - obstructing the only

entrance/exit of the building. Instead of fainting, consciousness seemed to

expand, body feelings vanished and there were no thoughts, no emotions,

although volitional thinking was possible. It was the supreme peace of the

NDE, but now it was Real. From then on, I knew what to "do" and where "it"

would end. What I didn’t know was that it takes a kind of miracle to

function without consciousness of sensory feedback. So this part

(transformation of body consciousness) takes a lot of time...

January 24, 1999

jb wrote:

> "jb" <kvy9

>

> Introduction (long)

> My name is Jan which in this part of the world is a name given to a male.

> Contrary to what is usual, I didn't show a particular interest in spiritual

> life or meditation. It was destiny putting me on the track that is one way

> only. It won't be a surprise that the Kathopanishad became my "favorite".

>

> An event at age 7 did set the scene for life. At school, the teacher taught

> us, God was all mercy, but would send thunder and lightning when we dared to

> open our eyes during prayer. Combining the two, I considered taking the risk

> would at least prove God’s existence. Much to my disappointment, nothing

> happened and what was worse, the teacher was looking around also. He

> punished me. I went home and told the story to my father. He ran away as

> fast as he could, LOL. As a result, I became a foremost atheist, "curing"

> everyone from belief, even a vicar, by using logic. Being disappointed in

> what human relations had to offer, I took part in risky actions against

> injustice. When one of those actions failed due to an error I made, I

> reflected on what would be an appropriate penalty for fatal failure. Death,

> of course. I swallowed what was needed but was taken out of coma by the

> police. They subjected me to illegal interrogation. My friends used this in

> a petition and the action succeeded after all. The coma was more like a NDE.

> There was supreme peace, not a single thought but it was very faint. The

> aftertaste of it was so much stronger than the experience itself, it kept me

> puzzled. As I had taken leave from life for solid reasons, I was faced with

> the situation of how to continue life, as one can take leave from life only

> once. Behavior changed into a mere fulfilling of duties, remaining passive

> always, having lost all interest in any participation. There was no mood

> whatsoever; no joy, no sadness, no indifference. This situation lasted for

> about 6 months, then on one day something happened that changed life

> completely. Leaving the post office, there was the sudden feeling of having

> to faint. Going down within the compartments of the revolving door, I

> realized there wasn’t even embarrassment - obstructing the only

> entrance/exit of the building. Instead of fainting, consciousness seemed to

> expand, body feelings vanished and there were no thoughts, no emotions,

> although volitional thinking was possible. It was the supreme peace of the

> NDE, but now it was Real. From then on, I knew what to "do" and where "it"

> would end. What I didn’t know was that it takes a kind of miracle to

> function without consciousness of sensory feedback. So this part

> (transformation of body consciousness) takes a lot of time...

>

Harsha: Delighted you joined Jan and I hope you will join Advaita-L. I

know Jan from other lists and he is highly knowledgeable and experienced in both

Eastern and Western spiritual traditions

pointing to the Nondual Reality. We both share reverence for the classical

teachings of the Upanishads, and Saints like Ramana Maharshi. Jan's insights

into the workings of the Divine Intelligence (Kundalini

Shakti), the spiritual path, Savikalpa and Nirvikalpa Samadhis, and the nature

of Self Realization have been of great value to many.

January 24, 1999

Greetings Jan:

On behalf of the list, let me welcome you again and we are looking

forward to your insights on Upanishads and classical teachings of

Indian and Western saints on nondual philosophy.

Regards,

--

Ram Chandran

List Moderator

January 25, 1999

Greetings Jan:

The message that you have sent on the subject :Karma was returned back

to you by mistake ( I honestly don't know what I did). Please send the

message again. Your reply is quite interesting and profound.

I am happy to state that your postings will no more be moderated and

will directly go to the members.

My apology for any inconvenience to you,

Regards,

--

Ram Chandran

List Moderator

February 8, 1999

Dear members of the list,

In response to a need to introduce myself and why i am interested in the

philosophy of advaita vedanta. Many years ago, in the early 1980's, I

developed an interest in the philosophy of J. Krishnamurti. I studied his

books and even saw him once deliver two talks in Washington, D.C. shortly

before his death. At some point it occurred to me that all of this thought

could not have originated with Krishnamurti but had to come from

somewhere--there had to be a classical background to this line of thought.

I then discovered Nisargadatta Maharaj and was lucky enough to spend ten

days with his successor, Mr. Ramesh Balsekar in 1987. Now I am trying to

actually study the background of this philosophy and to understand what the

actual teaching of Shankara was. I am interested in such works as

Shankara's Crest Jewel of Discrimination. As I'm sure you realise, this is

not easy thought. My hope is that by reading what comes up on the list I

will be aided in understanding this extremely spiritually high but

difficult philosophy. I would also like to discover what are the best

translations of Shankara's works into English (for a beginner) and which

works are the essential ones.

Thankyou kindly,

Kym Chaffin

At 12:43 AM 2/9/99 -0000, you wrote:

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philosopher from

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nearer to

>us than our hands and feet. He is the Soul of all souls. He is neither the

>body, the senses, the mind, the ego nor the intellect. He is "I," the

>ever-present witness to all experiences. He is Atman and the Brahman and

is the

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exposition of

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past to

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falsifies the

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February 8, 1999

Welcome Kym!

At 07:44 PM 2/8/99 -0600, Chaffin wrote:

>Chaffin <chaffin

>I then discovered Nisargadatta Maharaj and was lucky enough to spend ten

>days with his successor, Mr. Ramesh Balsekar in 1987.

>I am interested in such works as Shankara's Crest Jewel of Discrimination.

Last summer in Germany, I met Ramesh; and his books have been pivotal for

me. More than Advaita and Shankaracharya, Ramesh draws very, VERY heavily

from the Taoist and Chan writings of Wei Wu Wei (Terrence Gray), who wrote

in the 1960's, and whose books are mostly out of print.

You will receive excellent guidance on Shankara and the Crest Jewel on this

list. Again, welcome!

--Greg Goode

February 9, 1999

>Chaffin <chaffin

>

>Dear members of the list,

>In response to a need to introduce myself and why i am interested in the

>philosophy of advaita vedanta. Many years ago, in the early 1980's, I

>developed an interest in the philosophy of J. Krishnamurti. I studied his

>books and even saw him once deliver two talks in Washington, D.C. shortly

>before his death.

Welcome to the advaitinL Kym.

I attended those JK talks too at Washington D.C., which were arranged at

the Kennedy Center. Acoustics were so bad that it was difficult to hear

his feeble voice. Of course, he drifted from one topic to the other

without a comma, I got completely lost in his logic.

I am glad you got exposed to the Shree Nisargadatta's teachings through his

disciples. "I am that" book by Nisaragadatta Maharaj is a indeed a treasure

to all seekers of truth.

Do you live in the Washington metropolitan area? I asked this question

since you mentioned Washington D.C.

Welcome again to the advaitinL.

Hari Om!

Sadananda

K. Sadananda

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February 9, 1999

sadananda [sada]

Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:30 AM

advaitin

Re: Welcome to advaitin

sadananda <sada

>Chaffin <chaffin

>

>Dear members of the list,

>In response to a need to introduce myself and why i am interested in the

>philosophy of advaita vedanta. Many years ago, in the early 1980's, I

>developed an interest in the philosophy of J. Krishnamurti. I studied his

>books and even saw him once deliver two talks in Washington, D.C. shortly

>before his death.

Welcome to the advaitinL Kym.

I attended those JK talks too at Washington D.C., which were arranged at

the Kennedy Center. Acoustics were so bad that it was difficult to hear

his feeble voice. Of course, he drifted from one topic to the other

without a comma, I got completely lost in his logic.

I am glad you got exposed to the Shree Nisargadatta's teachings through his

disciples. "I am that" book by Nisaragadatta Maharaj is a indeed a treasure

to all seekers of truth.

Harsha: The philosophy of nondualism has found varied expression in many

different traditions in Hinduism and other religions, with the Sages Ramana

Maharshi and Sri Nisaragadatta Maharaj as being among some of the recent

voices. I would invite anyone interested in the Shiva and Shakti traditions

in the context of Radical Nondualism as taught by ancient sages to look at

the description of the following list to see if it is appropriate for them.

This list is not limited to any particular religion or the followers of any

particular guru or teacher and is open to people of all faiths. Experienced

meditators, yogis and sages from many different traditions (including

Christianitiy), and scholars are members of the list

/.cgi/

February 14, 1999

I have been a student of Buddhism for several years. That was my introduction

to non-dualist philosophy. Through my studies I came across a vedanta website

and became interested. I thought by subscribing to this list, I could learn

more about this philosophy.

February 15, 1999

Hello,

I've grown up attending the Chinmaya Mission's Bala Vihar sessions.

Unfortunately, our family was away from the country during my teen

years. It never stopped me from using the Gita as a reference for the

basis of my Personal Philisophy. I would appreciate being a part of

this mailing-list, if only to refer to something during my "disturbed"

periods and for gaining an insight to Vedanta.

Thank you for the opportunity of being a part of this fusion of Science

and Philosophy.

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>1. The subject matter was the writings and thought primarily of Advaita

> Vedanta (non-dual philosophy) due to Saint Shankaracharya.

>2. The list was started to provide a forum free of personal attack,

remarks

> demeaning individuals or groups, and fostering courteous exchange

of views.

>3. This is not an open list but is subject to moderation when

necessary.

>4. Correspondence to the list should not be used to sell any product

but may

>be used to inform members of books, tapes, lectures or other media that

are

>on topic and may otherwise be difficult to locate.

>5. New members are requested to introduce themselves by replying to

this

>notice. Their self-introduction message may be posted then to the list

as a

>whole or, if their interests do not seem germaine to the group purpose,

the

>potentiallist member will be so notified and urged to look for another

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>FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ ON ADVAITIN)

>

>What is an Advaitin mailing list?

>

>Advaitin Mailing list is an electronic Spiritual Forum to permit people

who

>believe in Advaita to exchange their viewpoints in a friendly

atmosphere. The

>mailing address is: advaitin .

>

>What is the Scope of Advaitin?

>

> Advaitin is a philosophical discussion Forum to study the

relationship

>between the individual soul, Atman and the universal soul, Brahman with

the

>appearance of the World. The Forum will synthesize the fundamental

ideas of

>Vedanta (philosophical thoughts) in the Upanishads. Members will focus

their

>viewpoints to recognize the true meaning, profundity, richness and

beauty of

>Sankara's non-dual philosophy. According to Sankara, the saint

philosopher from

>

>India, God is infinitely higher and is also infinitely nearer. He is

nearer to

>us than our hands and feet. He is the Soul of all souls. He is neither

the

>body, the senses, the mind, the ego nor the intellect. He is "I," the

>ever-present witness to all experiences. He is Atman and the Brahman

and is the

>only Reality.

>

>Sankara's Advaita Philosophy blends Karma and Maya with a logical

exposition of

>

>the idea of non-dualism. The doctrine of Karma asserts the influence of

past to

>the present. The idea Maya represents the illusionary power which

falsifies the

>

>appearance of the universe as the Namarupa (various names and forms.)

According

>to Sankara, Brahman, the infinite consciousness, is the sole reality.

Sankara

>establishes the essential identity between Atman and Brahman. His Guru

>Gaudapada unconsciously influenced Sankara with the tenets of Buddhist

>philosophy. On the other hand, Sankara's philosophical works show that

he was

>clearly against the Buddhist thought. The scope of this Forum consists

of

>pre-Sankara, post-Sankara and contemporary Advaita (Indian and

non-Indian) that

>envelopes a broader spectrum of philosophical systems of non-duality.

>Interpretations can expand beyond Indian culture and philosophy and

discussions

>will also include personal experiences.

>

>This list is truly dedicated to Sankara and Vedavyasa and other sages

and

>saints of East and West who have contributed to non-dual philosophy.

The

>primary purpose of this list is to facilitate meaningful discussions

in a

>friendly and pleasant atmosphere. This list will restrict the

discussions to

>non-dual philosophies that fall within the framework of Sankara's

Advaita

>Vedanta. The members of this list do recognize that

"self-realization" is a

>personal experience and consequently personal spiritual experiences are

more

>than welcome.

>

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> 7. Re: Shamanism

> "f. maiello" <egodust (AT) xxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

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> Digest 120, dated Mon Jan 18 03:29:14 1999

> Digest 119, dated Sat Jan 16 03:10:26 1999

> Digest 118, dated Fri Jan 15 03:03:39 1999

> Digest 117, dated Thu Jan 14 02:07:15 1999

> Digest 116, dated Wed Jan 13 02:13:33 1999

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February 16, 1999

Greetings Shri Bugger:

Welcome again and please feel free to write your thoughts on Gita and it

is helping your personal life. Looking forward to your insights from

Gita and thoughtful discussions.

Hari Om!

Ram Chandran,

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Bugger Booger wrote:

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> "Bugger Booger" <bugme20

>

> Hello,

> I've grown up attending the Chinmaya Mission's Bala Vihar sessions.

> Unfortunately, our family was away from the country during my teen

> years. It never stopped me from using the Gita as a reference for the

> basis of my Personal Philisophy. I would appreciate being a part of

> this mailing-list, if only to refer to something during my "disturbed"

> periods and for gaining an insight to Vedanta.

> Thank you for the opportunity of being a part of this fusion of Science

> and Philosophy.

February 16, 1999

Hi,

I just joined the list, I will be absorbing for

a while. I don't have much to say at this point

but I plan to listen and learn.

Thanks,

Cyndy

February 21, 1999

Hello,

Thank you for adding me to the mailing list. My name is Om Lala and i am a

High School student. Though it sounds ludicrous, I'm sure I will be able to

add to discussions as the age of a spiritual aspirant does not necessarily

matter. I have read much of the Ramakrishna-Vivekananda Literature and other

Hindu scriptures and attend Vivekananda Vidyapith of Wayne New Jersey. I also

attend Sunday services at the Center of New York held by Swami Adhiswarananda.

I am keen to get a glimpse of the principles of advaita vedanta and add to

discussions on this topic. Thank you again for adding me to the list. I hope

these discussions will add something to all of our spiritual lives.

Yours in Sri Ramakrishna,

Om Lala

February 21, 1999

Hello Advaitin List,

My name is Larry, and I am new to the list, and I am eager to learn

the non dualism as put forth by Advaitin. I am a seeker, I had been

persuing Self Realization in a sporadic, on off fashion for over 20

years. It has only been in the last 14 to 15 months that I have

become serious and committed to my sadhana. I've made more progress

in this short period of time than I had in the preceding 10 years. I

am drawn to a non dual approach because it is the only approach that

fits in with what I have experienced . I have much to learn, I am

eager to learn from you all, and with you all.

Nameste

Larry

---advaitin-owner wrote:

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> Welcome to the list. Please take a moment to review this message.

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> 1. The subject matter was the writings and thought primarily of

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> Vedanta (non-dual philosophy) due to Saint Shankaracharya.

> 2. The list was started to provide a forum free of personal attack,

remarks

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> 3. This is not an open list but is subject to moderation when

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> Advaitin Mailing list is an electronic Spiritual Forum to permit

people who

> believe in Advaita to exchange their viewpoints in a friendly

atmosphere. The

> mailing address is: advaitin .

>

> What is the Scope of Advaitin?

>

> Advaitin is a philosophical discussion Forum to study the relationship

> between the individual soul, Atman and the universal soul, Brahman

with the

> appearance of the World. The Forum will synthesize the fundamental

ideas of

> Vedanta (philosophical thoughts) in the Upanishads. Members will

focus their

> viewpoints to recognize the true meaning, profundity, richness and

beauty of

> <input type=text name= non-dual philosophy. According to , the

saintSankaraSSPELL_26__ non-dual philosophy. According to Sankara,

the saint philosopher from

>

> India, God is infinitely higher and is also infinitely nearer. He is

nearer to

> us than our hands and feet. He is the Soul of all souls. He is

neither the

> body, the senses, the mind, the ego nor the intellect. He is "I," the

> ever-present witness to all experiences. He is Atman and the Brahman

and is the

> only Reality.

>

> Sankara's Advaita Philosophy blends Karma and Maya with a logical

exposition of

>

> the idea of non-dualism. The doctrine of Karma asserts the influence

of past to

> the present. The idea Maya represents the illusionary power which

falsifies the

>

> appearance of the universe as the Namarupa (various names and

forms.) According

> to Sankara, Brahman, the infinite consciousness, is the sole

reality. Sankara

> establishes the essential identity between Atman and Brahman. His

Guru

> Gaudapada unconsciously influenced Sankara with the tenets of Buddhist

> philosophy. On the other hand, Sankara's philosophical works show

that he was

> clearly against the Buddhist thought. The scope of this Forum

consists of

> pre-Sankara, post-Sankara and contemporary Advaita (Indian and

non-Indian) that

> envelopes a broader spectrum of philosophical systems of non-duality.

> Interpretations can expand beyond Indian culture and philosophy and

discussions

> will also include personal experiences.

>

> This list is truly dedicated to Sankara and Vedavyasa and other

sages and

> saints of East and West who have contributed to non-dual philosophy.

The

> primary purpose of this list is to facilitate meaningful

discussions in a

> friendly and pleasant atmosphere. This list will restrict the

discussions to

> non-dual philosophies that fall within the framework of Sankara's

Advaita

> Vedanta. The members of this list do recognize that

"self-realization" is a

> personal experience and consequently personal spiritual experiences

are more

> than welcome.

>

> How do I to Advaitin?

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> directions. If you don't have Internet access, then send an email to

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> This is a spiritual forum and discussants should avoid writing

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Most of us do

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> not tolerate abusive personal attacks by any discussant and the list

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> forced to ask the offender with repeated offences to leave the list.

We want

> the discussants to show respect to saints and sages from all

religions and

> traditions. When a member violates list policies and objectives,

such members's

>

> postings are subject to moderation for an indefinite time period.

Majority of

> the

> members of Advaitin List sincerely hopes to keep this forum free from

> unnecessary regulations and restrictions.

>

> What are the requirements for New members ?

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> New members shall provide a brief background information about their

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> Why did I not receiving email anymore?

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>

> list is a list that requires the list moderator to approve all email

before they

> are

> sent to the list. A restricted mailing list is a list that requires

the list

> moderator to approve all subscription requests to the list. Advaitin

will permit

>

> members to send announcements that are relevant and pertain to the

List

> objectives. Advaitin wants to remain unmoderated and unrestricted

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> Digest 0 dated Wed Sep 3 00:35:37 1998 contains the following

messages:

>

> 1. Re: Independent existence of the world.

> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

> 2. Test -- pls ignore

> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

> 3. The New List is Effective immediately

> Ram Chandran <chandran (AT) xxxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

> 4. Re: The New List is Effective immediately

> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

> 5. Shamanisam (was RE: Imprecision in religious conversations )

> Madhava Kumar Turumella <madhava (AT) xxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

> 6. Re: Shamanisam (was RE: Imprecision in religious

conversations )

> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

> 7. Re: Shamanism

> "f. maiello" <egodust (AT) xxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

> 8. Re: Shamanism

> Gregory Goode <goode (AT) xxx (DOT) xxxx

> 9. Re: Shamanism

> Madhava Kumar Turumella <madhava (AT) xxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx

>

> You can also preview the archive index by CLICKING <Archive Index>

> The Index is arranged from the latest to first as shown below:

>

> Digest 121, dated Tue Jan 19 03:04:32 1999

> Digest 120, dated Mon Jan 18 03:29:14 1999

> Digest 119, dated Sat Jan 16 03:10:26 1999

> Digest 118, dated Fri Jan 15 03:03:39 1999

>

=== message truncated ===

February 21, 1999

Hello Advaitan List,

I'm reposting because I recieved a message that my post didn't go

through because the mail box was full. Hope I haven't sent this twice!

Nameste,

Larry

---laurence beyer <larbeyer9 wrote:

>

> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

>

> Hello Advaitin List,

>

> My name is Larry, and I am new to the list, and I am eager to learn

> the non dualism as put forth by Advaitin. I am a seeker, I had been

> persuing Self Realization in a sporadic, on off fashion for over 20

> years. It has only been in the last 14 to 15 months that I have

> become serious and committed to my sadhana. I've made more progress

> in this short period of time than I had in the preceding 10 years. I

> am drawn to a non dual approach because it is the only approach that

> fits in with what I have experienced . I have much to learn, I am

> eager to learn from you all, and with you all.

>

> Nameste

>

> Larry

>

> ---advaitin-owner wrote:

> >

> > Greetings,

> >

> > Welcome to the list. Please take a moment to review this message.

> >

> > 1. The subject matter was the writings and thought primarily of

> Advaita

> > Vedanta (non-dual philosophy) due to Saint Shankaracharya.

> > 2. The list was started to provide a forum free of personal attack,

> remarks

> > demeaning individuals or groups, and fostering courteous

> exchange of views.

> > 3. This is not an open list but is subject to moderation when

> necessary.

> > 4. Correspondence to the list should not be used to sell any product

> but may

> > be used to inform members of books, tapes, lectures or other media

> that are

> > on topic and may otherwise be difficult to locate.

> > 5. New members are requested to introduce themselves by replying to

> this

> > notice. Their self-introduction message may be posted then to the

> list as a

> > whole or, if their interests do not seem germaine to the group

> purpose, the

> > potential list member will be so notified and urged to look for

> another list

> > of like-minded individuals.

> > 6. Later postings which do not adhere to these guidelines could be a

> cause

> > of removal of the member from the group.

> >

> > FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ ON ADVAITIN)

> >

> > What is an Advaitin mailing list?

> >

> > Advaitin Mailing list is an electronic Spiritual Forum to permit

> people who

> > believe in Advaita to exchange their viewpoints in a friendly

> atmosphere. The

> > mailing address is: advaitin .

> >

> > What is the Scope of Advaitin?

> >

> > Advaitin is a philosophical discussion Forum to study the

relationship

> > between the individual soul, Atman and the universal soul, Brahman

> with the

> > appearance of the World. The Forum will synthesize the fundamental

> ideas of

> > Vedanta (philosophical thoughts) in the Upanishads. Members will

> focus their

> > viewpoints to recognize the true meaning, profundity, richness and

> beauty of

> > <input type=text name= non-dual philosophy. According to , the

> saintSankaraSSPELL_26__ non-dual philosophy. According to Sankara,

> the saint philosopher from

> >

> > India, God is infinitely higher and is also infinitely nearer. He is

> nearer to

> > us than our hands and feet. He is the Soul of all souls. He is

> neither the

> > body, the senses, the mind, the ego nor the intellect. He is "I,"

the

> > ever-present witness to all experiences. He is Atman and the Brahman

> and is the

> > only Reality.

> >

> > Sankara's Advaita Philosophy blends Karma and Maya with a logical

> exposition of

> >

> > the idea of non-dualism. The doctrine of Karma asserts the influence

> of past to

> > the present. The idea Maya represents the illusionary power which

> falsifies the

> >

> > appearance of the universe as the Namarupa (various names and

> forms.) According

> > to Sankara, Brahman, the infinite consciousness, is the sole

> reality. Sankara

> > establishes the essential identity between Atman and Brahman. His

> Guru

> > Gaudapada unconsciously influenced Sankara with the tenets of

Buddhist

> > philosophy. On the other hand, Sankara's philosophical works show

> that he was

> > clearly against the Buddhist thought. The scope of this Forum

> consists of

> > pre-Sankara, post-Sankara and contemporary Advaita (Indian and

> non-Indian) that

> > envelopes a broader spectrum of philosophical systems of

non-duality.

> > Interpretations can expand beyond Indian culture and philosophy and

> discussions

> > will also include personal experiences.

> >

> > This list is truly dedicated to Sankara and Vedavyasa and other

> sages and

> > saints of East and West who have contributed to non-dual philosophy.

> The

> > primary purpose of this list is to facilitate meaningful

> discussions in a

> > friendly and pleasant atmosphere. This list will restrict the

> discussions to

> > non-dual philosophies that fall within the framework of Sankara's

> Advaita

> > Vedanta. The members of this list do recognize that

> "self-realization" is a

> > personal experience and consequently personal spiritual experiences

> are more

> > than welcome.

> >

> > How do I to Advaitin?

> >

> > If you have Internet access, the procedure is very simple.

> >

> > Go to URL: HTTP://www./viewarchive.cgi?listname=advaitin

> >

> > Click <Subscribe to the List>

> >

> > Provide your Email address and a password for future access and

> follow the

> > directions. If you don't have Internet access, then send an email to

> the

> > list moderator: Ram Chandran, chandran indicating

> your interest.

> >

> > What is the responsibility of the members?

> >

> > This is a spiritual forum and discussants should avoid writing

> objectionable

> > materials such as personal attacks, sexual Tantra practices, etc.

> Most of us do

> >

> > not tolerate abusive personal attacks by any discussant and the list

> moderator

> > may

> > forced to ask the offender with repeated offences to leave the list.

> We want

> > the discussants to show respect to saints and sages from all

> religions and

> > traditions. When a member violates list policies and objectives,

> such members's

> >

> > postings are subject to moderation for an indefinite time period.

> Majority of

> > the

> > members of Advaitin List sincerely hopes to keep this forum free

from

> > unnecessary regulations and restrictions.

> >

> > What are the requirements for New members ?

> >

> > New members shall provide a brief background information about their

> interest

> > in non-dual philosophy to the list members. For a brief time

> period, postings

> > from the new members shall be moderated.

> >

> > Does it cost anything to to Advaitin mailing list?

> >

> > ONElist is a FREE service and the web-site is free and Advaitin

> mailing list

> > wants to remain as a free service to the world community.

> >

> > Why did I never receive the confirmation email?

> >

> > The most common cause of this is an incorrect email address.

> >

> > Why did I not receiving email anymore?

> >

> > The first thing to do is to check the list archives to see if there

> are

> > messages that you have not received. It could be that no one has

>

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February 21, 1999

Greetings Larry:

You probably receive this message from CoolMail: "Your message, titled

" Re: surrender in advaita [and more]", to

viprapriya could not be

delivered because the mailbox was full."

Please ignore this problem and your message was indeed received twice!

This is a reference to a list member by the name, Viprapriya whose

mailbox is full. Thanks for bringing to the attention of the List.

Let me take this opportunity to inform the list members that free email

services such Hotmail, etc., has space limitations and it is the

responsibility of the member to clean up their mailbox so that list

messages can reach them. When the list message fails to reach the

member, Netscape mail service sends the warning messages to the sender.

Currently, I see one member with such a problem and the list moderator

has no power to correct this problem.

I need the full cooperation from the list member to make sure that there

is adequate storage space in their mail box.

Thanks for your cooperation and understanding

--

Ram Chandran

List Moderator

laurence beyer <larbeyer9 writes

> Hello Advaitan List,

> I'm reposting because I recieved a message that my post didn't go

> through because the mail box was full. Hope I haven't sent this

twice!

February 21, 1999

Hari Om, Om Lala:

The list is delighted to welcome youngsters like you with lots of

enthusiasm and energy. Please do not hesitate to send any questions or

your opinions regarding any articles. The list members are open minded

and we are looking forward to your thoughtful discussions.

Welcome again and wish you all the best,

--

Ram Chandran

Burke, VA

March 2, 1999

Greetings Advaitan List,

Just a quick introduction. I have been practicing meditation for for several

years, but have only

begun to realize that in asking "who am I " and trying to* think * the

answer is defeating

all purpose. That is why I am anxious to learn Advaitan. Thank you for

allowing me to sit at your feet.

James

advaitin-owner <advaitin-owner >

dmarx <dmarx

Tuesday, March 02, 1999 9:14 PM

Welcome to advaitin

>Greetings,

>

>Welcome to the list. Please take a moment to review this message.

>

>1. The subject matter was the writings and thought primarily of Advaita

> Vedanta (non-dual philosophy) due to Saint Shankaracharya.

>2. The list was started to provide a forum free of personal attack, remarks

> demeaning individuals or groups, and fostering courteous exchange of

views.

>3. This is not an open list but is subject to moderation when necessary.

>4. Correspondence to the list should not be used to sell any product but

may

>be used to inform members of books, tapes, lectures or other media that are

>on topic and may otherwise be difficult to locate.

>5. New members are requested to introduce themselves by replying to this

>notice. Their self-introduction message may be posted then to the list as

a

>whole or, if their interests do not seem germaine to the group purpose, the

>potential list member will be so notified and urged to look for another

list

>of like-minded individuals.

>6. Later postings which do not adhere to these guidelines could be a cause

>of removal of the member from the group. >Snip<

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