Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2002 Namo Narayana Is Hanuman an amsam of Shiva? This has been lingering in my mind for a very long time. In the Hanuman Chalisa there is a line that says. 'Shankar suvan kEsari Nandan tEj PratApa MahA Jag Vandan' This suggests that he is an incarnation of Shiva. We also know that Swami Desikan has mentioned that Shiva is one of the devout Bhaktas of Sriman Narayana. As for Rama avataram - the devas are said to have taken different roles of VAnarAs(Monkeys), Pakshis(Birds) etc inorder to enjoy and do Kainkaryanm to the AvatAra Purushan. Can the learned members please clarify? RAmAnuja dAsi Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2002 The inseparable devotee of Lord Rama. Hanumana is an incarnation of a Rudra among the eleven Rudras. In other words he is thus none other than Lord Shiva himself. Scriptural appearance of Lord Hanumana is thus : MANOJAVAM MARUT TULYA VEGAM. JITENDRIYAM BUDDHIMATAM VARISHTHAM VATATMAJAM VANARYUTHA MUKHYAM, SHRI RAMADUTAM SHARANAM PRAPADYE | Meaning : We take refuge with Hanumana who is as fast as the mind and wind; who has full control over his senses, who is excellent in geniuses, who is the son of the wind and the leader of all the simians and represents Lord Shri Rama. Though various scriptural descriptions are available of gods like Hanumana etc. Yet one must reflect on the scientific aspect of the most simple and easily available appearance. SCIENTIFIC ASPECT OF HANUMANA'S APPEARANCE The word Manojavam means one with the speed of mind i.e. one who moves extremely rapidly. One of the various names for Hanumana is Manoj. Why should not Hanumana, who represents Lord Rama, be as fast as the mind. Hanumanaji is an incarnation of none other than Rudra (Shiva), who has the power to destroy the whole creation in no time. Then why not his incarnation Hanumana, would have a speed of the mind. Maruta Tulya Vegam is another epithet for Hanumana, that means the one with a speed of the wind. Hanumanaji is also known as Pavanasut (the son of wind). When god Pavana himself is the father of the Hanumana, it is natural then that the son would have virtues equal to those of his fathers. Jitendriyama - The one who has conquered his senses. There is not a least bit of doubt in Hanumanaji being Jitendriyama, because Lord Shiva had incinerated Kaamadeva with just a mere wink of his eyes. Then why not his incarnation. Hanumana would also be a conqueror of the senses. Hanumanaji is infact a true celibate since his childhood. Buddhimatama Varishtham :- Excellent among the geniuses. To be excellent among the geniuses is natural for Hanumanaji. Since, Hanumanaji a true celibate right from his childhood. A celibate having a sharp brain is natural, It is a common rule that the healthy brain resides in a healthy body. And self-control has profound effect on the health. Thus, one who has all these virtues, must be excellent among the geniuses. Vatatmajam : The son of the Vayu (Wind). Hanumanaji was born from the womb of Anjana. Mother Anjana is the queen of the simian King Kesari. But she did not conceive with the help of Vayu. Once Anjana had gone to the forests. A cyclone suddenly appeared there raising the clothes of Anjana above her waistline and she felt as if something had been placed in her womb. That something later was born as Hanumana. Vanara Yuth Mukhyama : Here a question arises first of all as to why is Hanumana a monkey. It has an extremely vast explanation. So let us consider it briefly here. Because of the atrocities of Ravana, terror and irreligion had come to reign over the earth. To change that situation, Lord Vishnu was about to take incarnation as Rama. So calling all the gods and deities Lord Brahma instructed them : NIJALUKAHIN BIRANCHIGE DEVANHIHAI SIKHAI| BANAR TANVDHARI-DHARIMAHI, HARIPADA SEVAH JAI|| Meaning: God is now to take incarnation. So, go before him and take the forms of Monkeys and bears to serve God.Thus, accepting Brahma's instructions, all the gods appeared on earth in the incarnations of Monkeys and bears. One of these incarnations is Hanumanji. Since, Ravana had sought a boon from Brahma: HAMA KAHUKE MARAHI NA MARE | VANAR-MANUJA JATI DUV BARE || Meaning: May I not be slain by anybody except the human and monkeys. Thus, to realize the boon of Brahmaji, Hanumanaji appeared in Monkey incarnation. Thus, the radicle cause for the incarnation of all the gods is found to be one - to protect the religion an the devotees. No matters what appearance they are compelled to take they take, because it is their With Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2002 Dear Devotees, Emperumaanin Thiruvarulaal, adiyen would like to inform about the avataar of Lord Hanuman. Yes u r correct He is avataar of Lord Shiva only. If u ask me how, then read the story below;- Once upon a time, when Ravana had done such a tapas even none of the Devas had it, by thinking that into mind Lord Shiva had given "Siranjeevi " to Ravana which Ravana too accepted as part of His blessings. Now seeing that Devas could not tolerate because Ravana is Asura and there will be always problem if some of the other asuras get power from Gods (if we come across our Puranaas). Now, devas decided to have end for the Ravana and they deputed Naratha to ensure that Ravana's siranjeevi pattam is returned back to Lord Shiva !!! Naratha is in Lanka now and apprising all qualities of Ravana and ultimately he felt sorry because Ravana did mistake , Ravana did not understand the conspiracy of Naratha, he kept on asking what is his fault on Tapas because Ravana always believed Naratha' advices ! Ultimately Naratha revealed that Ravana should not have taken the Siranjeevi pattam which is not good for Asuras as they(asuras) always enjoy pleasure and ectasy. Naratha explained in such a way that a living being has to born and die to enjoy the attachments which he has. Siranjeevi will make Ravana see his generations only, will never be able to enjoy like other beings. Ravana admitted that what Naratha says is correct. Hence he wanted to return back the siranjeevi pattam to Lord shiva and wanted to die and born again to enjoy the pleasures in life. Again he started doing tapas and Lord Shiva appeared infront of him asked what he needs, Ravana said he does not want to be siranjeevi instead he wanted to die and born again . Lord Shiva said once given is given , never taken back, so Lord refused but Ravana insisted on taking back that . Ultimately, since it is His duty to give what a Bhakta asks, Lord Shiva took that siranjeevi pattam back. If one can notice, that Law of Karma says that for every action , there is an equal and opposite reaction. Lord Shiva or Lord vishnu always takes care of their Bhaktaas in one or the other form eventhough they are not destined to get the enjoyments in life, yet they provide depends on the trust we have on Him. Now, since Lord shiva had only the given the Grace to enjoy as Siranjeevi , He only had to take it back and It is His duty to ensure that He only had to become Siranjeevi and also ensure that RAVANA IS KILLED !!!! -- Law of Karma is applied by Lord Shiva Himself. that is why in Tamizh, we have a proverb says, "theethum nandrum piRar thara vaaraa" if we have perfomed some action, we have to face the consequence. It is applicable to Lord Himself ! When they follow the system deployed by them then only other living beings will accept and follow . It is because of this, Lord Shiva took a form CALLED HANUMAAN and helped Lord Rama to kill Ravanaa..... ! That is why still Lord Hanumaan is SIRANJEEVI !!!!! Hence by worshipping Lord Hanuman, we indirectly worshipping Lord Shiva and we chant Rama mantra which directly connects us to Lord Rama . Hanuman is the only Lord who enjoys chanting His favourite character name rather His name !that is why when we worship Lord Hanuman , we MUST chant Lord Rama's name, than His name to get His blessings. No other Gods have this kind of Magnanimity and humbleness. Kindly excuse grammatical mistakes if any. But this is the history many of our Bhaktaas did not know. By taking Hanuman form Lord Shiva also wanted to spread the importance of "Rama mantra" to humankind ! without Hanuman form, I think Ramayana itself would not have completed and we would have missed a Great Rama Bhakta and His Ram Matra !!! Om Sri Rama Jayam ! Sri Rama Jaya Rama, Jaya Jaya Rama ! Om Vayuputrane potri !!! Emperumaanil thiruvarulaaal, adiyen, ramkumar yamini suresh <yamini_suresh wrote: Namo Narayana Is Hanuman an amsam of Shiva? This has been lingering in my mind for a very long time. In the Hanuman Chalisa there is a line that says. 'Shankar suvan kEsari Nandan tEj PratApa MahA Jag Vandan' RAmAnuja dAsi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2002 Dear Sri Ram Kumar, Will you kindly tell me where this story occurs? As far as my limited knowledge, this is not found either in Valmiki or Kamban. The 'Siranjeevi' pattam was never conferred on Ravana. Brahma turns down his request for grant of immortality. 'Ask anything else,' is his firm answer. However, he confers it on Vibishana, even without his asking for it. What Lord Shiva conferred on him was a life span of 3,50,00,000 years. These details can be found in Uttara Kandam. By the way, Kamban stopped with pattabishekam in Tamil. He did not write Uttara Kandam. It was written subsequently by poet OttakUththar. Hanuman is an amsam of Shiva, though he is the son of Vayu, with Anjana and Kesari as his parents. I have seen evidences to the effect that he is an amsam of Shiva in Kamban. I am not able to recollect where. Regards, Sincerely, Hari Krishnan - "RAM KUMAR" <vmrk_74 <bhakti-list>; <oppiliappan> Friday, December 13, 2002 6:27 PM Re: Hanuman - ? | Dear Devotees, | Emperumaanin Thiruvarulaal, adiyen would like to inform about the avataar of Lord Hanuman. | Yes u r correct He is avataar of Lord Shiva only. If u ask me how, then read the story below;- | | Om Sri Rama Jayam ! | Sri Rama Jaya Rama, Jaya Jaya Rama ! | Om Vayuputrane potri !!! | Emperumaanil thiruvarulaaal, | adiyen, | ramkumar | | Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2002 Dear Sri Ramkumar: The slokas you have quoted do not give a clear explanation as to 1. Hanuman being the incarnation of Lord Siva and 2. Ravana's getting the boon of being "Chiram-jeevi" Can you kindly enlighten us the PramaaNams for the stories, with actual quotations? Thank you Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy > >- >"RAM KUMAR" <vmrk_74 ><bhakti-list>; <oppiliappan> >Friday, December 13, 2002 6:27 PM >Re: Hanuman - ? > > >| Dear Devotees, >| Emperumaanin Thiruvarulaal, adiyen would like to inform about the avataar >of Lord Hanuman. >| Yes u r correct He is avataar of Lord Shiva only. If u ask me how, then >read the story below;- >| | Om Sri Rama Jayam ! >| Sri Rama Jaya Rama, Jaya Jaya Rama ! >| Om Vayuputrane potri !!! >| Emperumaanil thiruvarulaaal, >| adiyen, >| ramkumar >| >| > > _______________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2002 --- Pritesh Vyas <pritesh01 wrote: > Vanara Yuth Mukhyama : Here a question arises first > of all as to why is Hanumana a monkey. It has an > extremely vast explanation. So let us consider it > briefly here. > > Meaning: May I not be slain by anybody except the > human and monkeys. Thus, to realize the boon of > Brahmaji, Hanumanaji appeared in Monkey incarnation. Dear Pritesh, In addition your fine write up, there is another reason why the devas were asked to take the forms of vanaras. The description which can be found in Uttara Kanda as follows:-. When Dasagriva (the original name of Ravana given by Visrava) after taking possession of Puspaka vimana from Kubera went to the kailasa to see Lord Siva. He was obstructed by Nandi, the vahana of Lord Siva. Dasagriva was enraged and when he got down from his vimana, he saw Nandi face to face. He saw Nandi with face of a vanara standing with a trident. Dasagriva laughed when he looked at the feature Nandi. Nandi angrily cursed Dasagriva, saying that in future powerful vanaras will be born to destroy you. As a result with Brahmadeva's instructions, Vayu deva created Hanuman, Surya Bhagavan created Sugriva. Brihaspati, the Jupiter created Tara, (a male monkey-hero, but not the wife of Vali) Kubera's son is Gandhamaadana while Vishvakarma, the Divine Architect procreated Nala. Agni deva 's son is Neela, The twin Ashwini procreated two monkeys namely Mainda and Dvivida. Varuna deva procreated Sushena, the monkey, and Parjanya, the God of Thunderclouds created Sharabha. Regards Bala. ===== Balakrishnan A/L Muniapan Mobile: 6-016-4838038 http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/District/9622/resbala.html New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2002 Hanuman Hanuman, the great monkey hero, also called Maruti, assists Rama in his battle with Ravana to rescue Sita, who had been kidnapped by Ravana. Hanuman symbolizes the qualities of an ideal devotee of God, which can be represented by the letters of his name, as follows: H = Humility and hopefulness (optimism) A = Admiration (truthfulness, devotion) N = Nobility (sincerity, loyalty, modesty) U = Understanding (knowledge) M = Mastery over ego (kindness, compassion) A = Achievements (strength) N = Nishkama-karma (selfless work in service of God) After his coronation, following victory in the battle with Ravana, Rama distributed gifts to all those who had assisted him in his battle with Ravana. Turning towards Hanuman, Rama said, "There is nothing I can give you that would match the service you have rendered to me. All I can do is to give you my own self." Upon hearing these words, Hanuman stood by Rama, in all humility, with hands joined together in front of his (Hanuman's) mouth, and head slightly bent in the pose of service for Rama. To this day, this picture of Hanuman, as a humble devotee of the Lord, is the most popular among the admirers and worshippers of Hanuman. The worship of Hanuman, therefore, symbolizes the worship of the Supreme Lord, for acquiring knowledge, physical and mental strength, truthfulness, sincerity, selflessness, humility, loyalty, and profound devotion to the Lord. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2002 Namo Narayana, Where does this story occur? What are the sources? I have never heard this one. I request you to kindly give the pramanam- ie the reference book/ scripture / epic from where the story occurs. Thanks and regards, --- RAM KUMAR <vmrk_74 wrote: > Dear Devotees, > Emperumaanin Thiruvarulaal, adiyen would like to > inform about the avataar of Lord Hanuman. > Yes u r correct He is avataar of Lord Shiva only. If > u ask me how, then read the story below;- > > Om Sri Rama Jayam ! > Sri Rama Jaya Rama, Jaya Jaya Rama ! > Om Vayuputrane potri !!! > Emperumaanil thiruvarulaaal, > adiyen, > ramkumar > _____________ Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
