Is this list serving any purpose?

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Dear Mani - My $0.02.

 

There is no doubt this list serves many purposes. I was introduced to the

notion of prapatti as a result of this group (way back when the list was

small) in a non sectarian, noninvasive, non-condescending, simple manner. The

knowledge gained from reading material posted here has changed my life. I was

led to my Acharya as a result of associations I developed while participating

in this list. There will be many discussion groups that may emerge as a

result of the increased interest in the subject matter surround the teachings

of our Acharyas - but this list will stand out as serving a very unique

purpose. And Mani, your fingerprints are all over the tremendous impact that

this list has had on me and numerous others. Don't even think about 'ending'

this list. Hey, without His will, you will not be able to end this even if

you try

 

May Sriman Narayana's blessings shower on you.

 

Adiyen Vishwanath

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

There hasn't been much activity lately on the Bhakti List.

Presumably this is because of the new guidelines I put in

place earlier this year, and because of the proliferation

of various Sri Vaishnava email discussion groups, each of

which have their own focus.

 

Given that this is the case, are the Bhakti List and related

groups serving any useful purpose? I mean this as a serious

question and not a rhetorical one. There is no need for this

group to exist if members aren't deriving any benefit from

it. It may be that the other groups are more than

adequately satisfying the needs of Internet-aware people

interested in Sri Vaishnava religion and philosophy.

 

Or, perhaps the guidelines I put in place are too restrictive?

I may have put the cart before the horse, but I would appreciate

public comment on where members want to take this group and what

they envision as its purpose. Please be open and frank.

 

Thanks,

Mani

[Guest guest]

SrImatE rAmAnujAya nama:

 

Learned members or moderator can initiate topics and questions of

tutorial nature .

 

Introductory works of Sri Ramanuja could be taken up for discussion

initially and advanced works later.

 

Discussion could be limited to one topic at a time in order to stay

focussed.

 

After 'adequate' discussion, we could move on to another topic if a

majority of members agree.

 

rAmAnuja-dAsa:

//Ramkumar.

[Guest guest]

Dear members,

Mani's question seems to be leading to some introspection.

 

Perhaps there are not many learned members who can pour out on aazhvaar's

prabhandhams etc , there by the numbers of articles has reduced of late. So

may be a little relaxation on that could be thought of.

 

On the proliferation of groups, yes. The number has become many. At times

same mail is received from more than one source, which at times is an

inconvenience, I feel.

 

Other wise the list is definitely serving the purpose.

 

Just to say about myself, I became very much exposed to so many interesting

topics which otherwise is not that easy for me.

 

Dhasan

Vasudevan m.g.

 

Mani Varadarajan [sMTP:mani]

Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:31 AM

bhakti-list

Is this list serving any purpose?

 

Dear Members,

There hasn't been much activity lately on the Bhakti List.

Presumably this is because of the new guidelines I put in place earlier this

year, and because of the proliferation of various Sri Vaishnava email

discussion groups, each of which have their own focus.

Given that this is the case, are the Bhakti List and related groups

serving any useful purpose? I mean this as a serious question and not a

rhetorical one. There is no need for this group to exist if members aren't

deriving any benefit from it. It may be that the other groups are more than

adequately satisfying the needs of Internet-aware people interested in Sri

Vaishnava religion and philosophy.

Or, perhaps the guidelines I put in place are too restrictive? I

may have put the cart before the horse, but I would appreciate public

comment on where members want to take this group and what they envision as

its purpose. Please be open and frank. Thanks, Mani

-----------------------------

[Guest guest]

Dear Mani,

I agree that there should be some moderation so that

general topics such as 'vegetarianism' etc. are not

discussed in this group. However, Q&A on topics which

a genuine seeker of truth would like to ask depending

on his/her level of understanding of vedas, upanishads

etc should also be allowed to be discussed as this

will enable a wider perspective to one's understanding

and therefore enriching ones thought.

Regards,

Adiyen Ramanuja dasan

Ranganathan Sounderrajan.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Mani,

 

Bhakti list's contribution is immeasurable - no exaggeration. It continues

to do so and there are no qualms about that, at least in my mind. I for one

have gained a great deal of knowledge and comfort just being a "read-only"

member. I am pretty sure that applies to many of the list members.

 

As you pointed out, new guidelines coupled with the creation of new

groups/sub-groups might've affected recent volumes significantly, but ever

since I joined this list almost 4 years back, I've never been able to keep

up with the rich content and information posted here.

 

As Sri Ramkumar suggested, to encourage more participation inline with the

new guidelines it may be a good idea to initiate a series of brief, focussed

postings about Sri Vaishnavam / Sri Ramanujar, his works, works of his

contemporaries and followers, along with references for further reading.

 

This will certainly help raise the level of "authentic" knowledge and enable

all of us participate with more confidence instead of sitting on the

sidelines.

 

adiyEn,

Sriram

 

 

Mani Varadarajan [mani]

Monday, June 03, 2002 7:01 PM

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Is this list serving any purpose?

[Guest guest]

srimathe ramanujaya namah

namo narayana

 

dear sri mani,

adiyal would just like to echo what sri vishvanath had stated. this group

has guided me and alot of others as well in our sri sampradhayam. if

anything the posts in this list has changed my whole life. so please

don't entertain thoughts of ending it!

 

the list is just a little dormant at the moment, swamy, that's all. the

guidelines are not restrictive but precise. so please don't be harsh on

yourself.

 

for my part i would like to ask a few questions to all bhaagavatas,

 

1) what is the difference between the monthly ekadesi and annual ekadesi?

2) how does one observe the fast properly?

3) what is the significance of avoiding grains during ekadesi?

4) i heard that if one misses the monthly ekadesi-s then s/he can make up by

observing the annual ekadesi. is this true?

 

thank you all in advance )

and sri mani, pls do keep doing the wonderful kainkaryam that your doing for

our beloved perumal and piratti ))

 

lottsa krishna premai

kalaivani

andal thiruvadigale saranam

jai sriman narayana

govinda govinda govinda

 

 

 

>Vishinutah

>bhakti-list

>bhakti-list

>Re: Is this list serving any purpose?

>Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:49:29 EDT

>

>Dear Mani - My $0.02.

>

>There is no doubt this list serves many purposes. I was introduced to the

>notion of prapatti as a result of this group (way back when the list was

>small) in a non sectarian, noninvasive, non-condescending, simple manner.

>The

>knowledge gained from reading material posted here has changed my life. I

>was

>led to my Acharya as a result of associations I developed while

>participating

>in this list. There will be many discussion groups that may emerge as a

>result of the increased interest in the subject matter surround the

>teachings

>of our Acharyas - but this list will stand out as serving a very unique

>purpose. And Mani, your fingerprints are all over the tremendous impact

>that

>this list has had on me and numerous others. Don't even think about

>'ending'

>this list. Hey, without His will, you will not be able to end this even if

>you try

>

>May Sriman Narayana's blessings shower on you.

>

>Adiyen Vishwanath

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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SrI:

SrImathE rAmanujaya namah:

Dear Sri Mani,

 

This list is the forerunner and is the beginning of all of us to get

together; to know each other; to organise NAMA events all over the world; to

get to know more about Ramanuja sampradayam; to revie our younger days when

we had learnt the sthOthramms whose meanings we get to know and how deep

they are when we read Sri SatakOpan mama's translations;- the list and

benefits the list has given us are endless.

 

It has introduced us the unparalleled Sri vaishnava to many of us, about

which many of us have lost track and forgotten due to running amuck after

material pursuits. The list taught me what is Pancha samskaram (thanks to

Sri Anand Karalapakkam's brilliant write up); the doctrine of Prapatti; the

intense desire to undergo prapatti in the immediate future.

 

Also the list gave us the dynamic, young Simhapuri Sri MS Hari in Singapore

(it was you who wrote to me about his presence in Singapore) and he has

transformed many Srivaishnavas at Singapore and he continues indefatigably.

 

We have got to know Sri Anbil Mama and his excellent posts thorugh this list

first. There is now ay you can end it. It is like a good Primary school and

there are many Secondary schools, Colleges, Universities now. That does not

mean the primary school needs to be closed. There are students who joined

the list and are now in Universities. The lecturers who started off in

Primary school find it too preliminary and hence have shifted to Colleges.

There are and will be always new children to learn and learn. We will exist

for them and they will also get promoted to Universities.

 

Your Ramanuja Primary school should go on. Encourage Bhahawathas of the list

to ask questions; Ask them to send their mite. We can send the respective

kalai's view points without hurting the other so that people get to know the

subtle differences and the great commonalities too.

 

My two (nay), one cent worth.

Regards

Namo Narayana

aDiyEn

 

 

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Sri:

SriRAmAJayam

SrimathE RAmAnujAya Nama:

 

Dear Mani,

I just wonder what made you to think of putting an end to

this group. Surely you have to give up such an idea! This site is

really good. There is always a "slack" period. At times people are

occupied with mundane things that they forget about the bhakti-list.

You need to sing a "suprabAtham" those times to wake up the jIvAtmAs.

 

On a different matter,wrt the rules,it's my personal view

(you can always disregard),the rules shouldn't be too stringent. No

two persons think alike(under normal conditions). There is so much

about our sampradAyam and philosophy/works of AchAryAs that we

(atleast I) all need to learn. So,let people express their views but

they should be aware where & when to put a "full stop" (when the

discussion does not lead anywhere to a good understanding). Without

the "freedom of speech" and some heated discussions I don't think

there would be any advancement in any field.

 

If everybody can accept every other person as he/she is

this world would be like vaikuNTam.

 

I have so much to ask but I'm a bit scared to put forth my

questions(b'coz of the restrictions and I classify myself as a free

person). A "truly" knowledgeable person would not mind any type of

question. This is again my viewpoint and I don't expect others to

agree with me.

 

With so many other groups existing,attention will be

divided among the groups. It's quite natural. (It's like the baby

attracted to one particular gift or it will keep shifting its

attention).

 

Maybe a person who is knowledgeable(atleast to some extent)

in brahma sUtrA should take one sUtrA(I guess there are 545 in no)and

try to elaborate on that. And allow people to clarify their doubts.

As someone already pointed out,even if you try to end this group,you

may not succeed!

 

Best Regards and a BIG SRIMAN NARAYANA's BLESS on this group(&you)

 

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam

Sarvam krSNArpaNam astu

gita

 

Quote:"All truth passes through three stages. First it's ridiculed.

Second,it's violently opposed. Third,it is accepted as self-evident."

- Arthur Schopenhauer