Learning and chanting rudram.

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I fully agree with SrI KalAle, SrI Murali KiDAmbi, SrI MaNi, et. al. on

the position regarding learning rudram. I have learned rudram from my

teacher here, and do chant it whenever I am called on to chant.

 

The only question I have is regarding a portion called laghunyAsa,

which is also traditionally taught at least by non-vaishNava teachers

as part of teaching rudra. I believe this is not part of the veda, and

has been added by someone over the course of time, just as the latter

half of the phalaSruti in SrI vishNu sahasranAmam is not part of the

original composition by veda vyAsa but has been added over a period of

time. There are some references in the laghu nyAsa associated with SrI

rudra praSnam that I believe are not consistent with the SrIvaishNava

tradition. I request SrI Kalale, Mani, Murali Kidambi, et al. to

clarify the position on chanting the laghu nyAsa.

 

-dAsan kRshNamAcAryan

 

 

 

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This is regarding the question on "whether to chant nyasam" while chanting

rudram :

 

The laghu nyasam etc. are added since they made this rudra prasna chanting

as a vehicle for worshipping Rudra as a separate deity. Srivaishnavas do

not chant these laghunyasa and anganyasa since they are meant for worship

of Rudra.

 

In addition, Srivaishnavas only chant these Rudram mantrams only as a part

of recitation / practice of vedic recitation. Srivaishnavas do not

participate in the worship of Rudra / Parvathi and hence do not

participate in occasions specially meant for such worship.

 

The only occasions I know of orthodox srivaishnavas who chant rudram are :

 

1. As a part of veda parayana gosti who chant the whole yajur veda or a

major portion of it which contains Rudram

 

2. AS a part of brahmha yajnam - a daily duty like sandhyavandana (which

only few people do daily). Incidentally the ritual brahmayajnam is

designed for people with yajnopavitam to keep in touch with vedas. They

usually recite one / more anuvakams or stanzas of veda a day so that they

wont forget. This is an almost EXTINCT tradition among modern

Srivaishnavas.

 

3. As a part of an occasion such as "shraadhham" or some similar

ceremonies, where such mantras from Rudram is ordained by the

dharmashastras to be utilized. Even here the antaryami of such dieties is

addressed dedicating these rituals to srimannarayanan.

 

4. While learning the portion of rudram which is a part of yajur veda,

when a person wants to practice and learn rudram as a part of learning

vedas by heart.

 

NOTE: Srivaishnavas do not participate in puja or worship specially meant

for "AnyaDevatas" such as Rudra / Parvathi / Ganesha / Murugan / Aiyappa

etc. Hence when Rudram is chanted in such pujas srivaishnavas do not

participate in chanting also.

 

One might ask : " I think of only the antaryami srimannarayanan while I

visit and worship anya devatas". This is unnecessary and circuitous while

one can directly visit and worship in temples dedicated to srimannarayanan

in his many forms. On the other hand there are mantras in vedic karmas or

rituals which might have been addressed to anyadevatas. Such mantras only

refer to the inner controller srimannarayana. There are several proofs

offered by Sri RAmanujacharya regarding this in vedartha samgraha.

 

Please dont mistake adiyen's writings that I am supporting anyadevata

worship!. However, adiyen feels we should learn all parts of vedas

irrespective of what mantrams it contains. Hence one should learn rudram

also. One should not have hatred to other dieties. At the same time one

should not give in to social / peer-pressure regarding these issues. One

should follow the tradition sincerely; Particularly the ones who have

undergone samasrayanam and bharanyasam. Our acharya Srimad Azhagiasingar

has made this very clear to me on many occasions.

 

adiyen Krishna Kalale

[Guest guest]

I had posted the attached question in April in the list, and do not

recall anyone clarifying whether the laghu nyAsam part that is taught

by some as part of the SrI rudram chanting, is a part of the vedic

chanting, or whether it is an addition by someone at a later time. If

anyone knowledgeable in this area can clarify this, I will be sincerely

thankful.

 

Regards,

 

-dAsan kRshNamAcAryan

 

--- Narasimhan Krishnamachari <champakam wrote:

> Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:03:25 -0700 (PDT)

> Narasimhan Krishnamachari <champakam

> Learning and chanting rudram.

> bhakti-list

>

> ....

>

> The only question I have is regarding a portion called laghunyAsa,

> which is also traditionally taught at least by non-vaishNava teachers

> as part of teaching rudra. I believe this is not part of the veda,

> and

> has been added by someone over the course of time, just as the latter

> half of the phalaSruti in SrI vishNu sahasranAmam is not part of the

> original composition by veda vyAsa but has been added over a period

> of

> time. There are some references in the laghu nyAsa associated with

> SrI

> rudra praSnam that I believe are not consistent with the SrIvaishNava

> tradition.

......

>

> -dAsan kRshNamAcAryan

>

>

>

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Srivaishnavas are insulting their own gods when they insist on ignoring anyadevatas; Rama's worship of Siva is represented by Rameswaram temple and Krishna's worship of Siva for a son , samba ,[Refer syamantaka mani story in Mahabharata ]