Guest guest Posted September 28, 2001 Report Share Posted September 28, 2001 try this:<br><a href=http://vancouveryoga.com/primaryseriesashtanga.htm target=new>http://vancouveryoga.com/primaryseriesashtanga.htm</a><br>there was a french? site that had a chart but I can't remember what the name is.<br>you can also buy a ashtanga yoga poster with Lino Miele here <a href=http://www.ashtanga.com/html/resources.html target=new>http://www.ashtanga.com/html/resources.html</a><br>you may not have gotten an answer because many of us don't use the sheets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2001 Report Share Posted September 28, 2001 Suzboop, you can find more resources here:<br><br><a href=http://pub42.ezboard.com/fyoga84291frm9.showMessage?topicID=11.topic target=new>http://pub42.ezboard.com/fyoga84291frm9.showMessage?topicID=11.topic<\ /a><br><br>"Moderated"? Is that like "moderation"? No, we don't do that here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2001 Report Share Posted September 28, 2001 here's the link to the french site:<br><br><a href=http://www.ifrance.com/fourmiesyoga/SITE%202/sommaire/sommaire.html target=new>http://www.ifrance.com/fourmiesyoga/SITE%202/sommaire/sommaire.html</\ a><br><br>A word of caution, theses pictures are copywited but are apparently being used in an unauthorized fashion by this site. Or that matter most of the sheets that people use in thier classes are unauthorized copies of the pictures drawn by john scott for lino's book. Use your own judgement on whether to copy and use them<br><br>I did try to post this link the day you asked your question, bit thier site was down or at least I couldn't acces it to get the URL, and I subsequently forgot. Didn't think to give the EZBoard link, that would have been easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 If you wish to discuss yoga, join ezboard:<br><br><a href=http://pub42.ezboard.com/byoga84291 target=new>http://pub42.ezboard.com/byoga84291</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 I appreciate the reference, but I am confused. So, this is an Astanga Yoga list that does not discuss yoga? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Suzboop: This club does discuss yoga, but with the number of posters here on a daily basis, questions can get lost in the crowd, so to speak. I think Malsag's referring you to EZBoard is not saying that the group there is better or more informed than this one. The posts there are grouped into various areas so that questions or comments about yoga are easier to address because they are in their own area and not lumped in with off topic ones.<br><br>SS - I don't think that people are leaving here because of the existence of the EZBoard group. I think that it gets frustrating trying to discuss or gain insight to ashtanga when so much infighting goes on here. By saying that I am not trying to speak badly of this board; I have said in an earlier post that I have learned much in being here. I just get tired of wading through posts full of name calling and trying to root out numerous screen identities. With all that is going on in the world right now, life is just way too short to have to deal with unnecessary vitriol.<br><br>If your choice is not to post on EZBoard, so be it. Your experience with Lino Miele will be valuable no matter where you decide to share it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 and the girls of ezboard are hotties! check out their pictures:<br><br><a href=http://www.artflex.com/f_1.htm target=new>http://www.artflex.com/f_1.htm</a><br><br>yeah baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 omprem <br><br>For my part I can only say that we do discuss other topics too, moral issues among other things. Lately, however, there has actually been little talk about asana and pranayama as well, as people are discussing the future of this board and Gurujis workshop.<br><br>For me it's natural that we discuss mostly asana and pranayama, because I believe that's the issue we're the most experienced in. Would it be better if we just quoted texts treating the other angas, and forgot our own history, knowledge and experience in yoga? <br><br>om shanti<br><br>inermis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 I think we should be free to discuss what we want as it relates to our experience, struggle and ease with our expression of the practice. <br><br>What has happened lately is that there is a sourness in peoples tones with correcting others and imposing their 'righteousness' on others.<br><br>Not all who practice yoga [or the limited two forms of it] want to change our faith or our belief systems. <br><br>Shame on those who conduct a hidden religous agenda by not disclosing TRUE intent and meaning of symbols, prayers, chants and idols !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 makapow<br><br>Raja Yoga, also known as Ashtanga Yoga, is not connected with any religion. It's main purpose is to develop one's spiritual awareness independent of whatever religion one may or may not be practicing.<br><br>If one has a religion, Ashtanga Yoga will give one a more profound understanding of that religion. If one does not have a religion, or, even if one is anti-religious, Ashtanga Yoga will still develop spiritual understanding in the practitioner.<br><br>I have had Hindus, Sikhs, and others of no religious affiliation teach me Ashtanga Yoga approaches to hatha yoga. I have had teachers who practiced a religion and others who did not practice a religion teach me other approaches to hatha yoga. <br><br>But they all taught that there are 8 (ashta) essential, interconnected elements to Ashtanga or Raja Yoga.<br><br>If you want to focus on asana - pranayama exclusively, you are not practicing Ashtanga Yoga. You are practicing Dwi Anga Yoga.<br><br><br>omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 >> If you want to focus on asana-pranayama exclusively, you are not practicing Ashtanga Yoga. <<<br><br>For all I know, Mahatma Gandi in fact practised only one sub-limb of Patanjali's yoga system thoroughly and with devotion: Ahimsa, that is. He was a great yogi nonetheless. So why shouldn't it be possible to attain the ultimate goal by just practising Asana?<br><br>"Focus" may be the key here. In order to make progress in yoga, you must have something to focus your mind on. In the case of astanga vinyasa yoga, the centre of attention upon which to focus the mind is the synchronicity of breath and movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Hi Shiny<br><br>I thought that you were leaving this club. Did you change your mind?<br><br>But in answer to your post, Gandhi practiced far more than ahimsa. One of his more obvious qualifications was his devotion of God. At the moment of his death, he is reported to said, "Rama". Most others would have said, "Damn." <br><br>This devotion to God is what separates those who have made some spiritual progress from those who do not.<br><br>To answer your other question, if all you do is practice asana, no amount of that practice will result in spiritual liberation. As Patanjali himself has said, "Samyama [meditation] on one's physical body suspends the ability of another to see it: the reflected light [from the body] does not come into contact with another's eyes, hence the power of invisibility."<br><br>As intriguing as invisibility may be to some, it is not spiritual liberation and it may, in fact, be a hindrance to spiritual liberation as are all of the siddhis if one focuses on them instead of focusing on the spiritual path.<br><br>omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 I was about to leave this club, in fact. But then someone asked about the workshop I'll be going to on Friday, and I had second thought. Maybe I shouldn't be too attached to certain persons who are now leaving; people come and go, as this is just a public message board. Doesn't yoga teach non-attachment? I'm sure I'll leave some day too, it may be sooner than you think. For now I hope that I still have something helpful to say. (And btw, it's such fun to quarrel with perfect strangers across the globe...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Just an aside to the Omprem-Shiny-Guy discussion:<br><br>Gandhi would not have considered himself a follower of Patanjali's system. He did read the Yogasutras early n the 1900's, and according to some of his biographers they significantly influenced the principles on which he operated one of his Ashrams in South Africa (phoenix Farm, I think). Most of this influence concerned yamas and niyamas, especially: satya and ahimsa (the link between these was central to Gandhi's thought) but also svadhyaya (study), devotion to the Lord, brahamcharya (understood in the traditional sense of sexual abstinence), and a whole lotta tapas, apparently centered around diet. Everyone in the ashram particpated in this way of life to some extent, whether or not it suited them!<br><br>In his autobiogrpahy, Gandhi writes that he tried some other yogic practices on his own -- sounds as if he meant pranayama, meditation or the like -- but decided not to pursue them further until he could find a teacher. He never did so.<br><br>Of course most people consider Gandhi to be a great example of a karma-yogin, rather than a Patanjali-style raja-yogin. Certainly Gandhi was more influenced by the Baghavad Gita than by any other single text, and karma yoga gets a lot of play there. But to my knowledge karma yoga has not been systematized to the degree that Patanjali systematized his approach, so it's hard to tell what exactly Gandhi was practicing. If indeed he practiced anything -- he was such an original, singular person.<br><br>Peace and Good,<br>Homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Hey Omprem,<br><br>Don't you think that doing asana will open up the channels so movement into the more spiritual practices might begin? I just know for myself, when I began my astanga practice I was not overly interested in much more than asana, but as I've grown and learned more about the yogic path and experienced the calmness and the mystery from doing these asanas on a regular basis, something has shifted. Yoga has become more than asana for me--but somehow the asanas brought me to that. I see them all working together in a way-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 Shining Skull<br><br>I didn't ask if you were leaving this club because I wanted you to leave. You definitely add something to this board. <br><br>I asked only out of curiousity.<br><br>By the way, I didn't realize that the two of us were having an argument. I thought we were having a discussion.<br><br>If you want an argument, there are people here who are much more argumentative than myself.<br><br><br>Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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