Kleshas & the American Disasters

[Guest guest]

For God's sake is your little lecture ever inappropriate. Give your head a

shake.

[Guest guest]

Agree.<br><br>And with Lily, too.

[Guest guest]

Meant to say I agree with you Screade. No lectures needed.

[Guest guest]

screade<br><br>Try getting a little perspective.

That is what yoga is all about. Try going beyond asana

and pranayama.<br><br>Would you rather listen to

calls for revenge? Or trumpets about how 'guruji'

survived while tens of thousands of others did not?

Neither is appropriate in my opinion.<br><br>My aim was

to show that grief and shock should not be dwelt

upon because the 'dead' have only taken a different

form.<br><br>If you have a problem with that, you have not

understood the basics underlying your 2-hour hatha yoga

classes. Or even what those 2-hour classes are meant to

achieve. <br>Forget level 1, try satsang instead. Try

reading Patanjali's Raja Yoga Sutras.<br><br>Omprem

[Guest guest]

If ever there were a time to refrain from your incessant lecturing, now is the

time. Omprem, you are such a pompous ass.

[Guest guest]

It's tempting to tell you what I think of what you just said but I won't waste

my breath on someone who just doesn't get it.

[Guest guest]

You must remember that there are several

different ways to approach yoga, several philosophical

'versions' of vedanta. Since you mention the basics of

understanding your 2 hour hatha classes, perhaps you should

evaluate if you are in a position to determine how someone

should handle grief, no matter how transistory the news

events that trigger it may be. Bhava is a prevailing

feeling for many Yogis around the world, a feeling of

deep love, devotion and compassion - that is entirely

the point of many people's 2 hour hatha practice, to

simply feel that first step to get beyond maya and the

illusion that the Kleshas are real.<br><br>To speak of the

Kleshas with authority is something that should be done

in person and under direct instruction, not cut and

pasted into a message board for ashtanga community,

especially since many readers have no idea what you're

refering to. Direct experience is the true teacher and

your diaretic post has no authority from which to

speak, nor have you displayed the "basic" understanding

you speak of which would afford you the respect

necessary for readers to learn from your post. To speak of

brotherhood as you do and then to expose your own ignorance

to people's compassions voids out the value, if

there is any, in your post.<br><br>If your practice

makes you unable to see the ways of Jnana and Bhava and

to know their differnces, (think viveka here) you

should hold your tongue, do some research into those

terms, then you'll understand how it can be acceptable

(and necessary in many cases) for others to feel the

sadness they feel, or the anger they feel, or the need to

want to help somehow. Strive to be a spark for your

fellow human, if you possess knowledge you should share

it, lift them up from where they stand and avoid

putting people down for trying to express their hearts.

If anything, that's what everyone needs more

of.<br><br>Peace,<br>Nada

[Guest guest]

Seeing as how some people insist on looking at

this in an analytical way ; the 'dead', as Omprem so

euphemistically put it, haven't just moved on or 'taken another

form' of their own free will, but were innocent victims

who died violent deaths by the thousands. It

represents the unthinkable and sets into motion a whole

chain of events no amount of navel gazing is going to

avert. No doubt there will be further 'repercussions'

for years to come, if that's a word those in their

plastic bubble of holier than thou denial can deal with,

in order to gain some much needed 'perspective'.

[Guest guest]

o mighty arjuna, even if you believe the Self to

be subject to birth and death, you should not

grieve.<br><br>Death is inevitable for the living; birth is inevitable

for the dead. Since these are unavoidable, you should

not grieve.<br><br>Every creature is unmanifested at

first, and then attains a manifestation, o Bharata. When

its end has come, it once again becomes unmanifested.

What is there to lament in this?<br><br>Bhagavad

Gita<br><br>this is a horrible time and i am praying for both the

living and the dead. At a time like this, I am finding

it very consoling to turn scriptures such as the

Bhagavad Gita. Hope everyone is well and PRAY FOR PEACE.

[Guest guest]

screade<br><br>It is not clear what the purpose

of your post is, unless it is that you wish to

wallow in political rhetoric, wave the flag of

patriotism (even though the disaster did not happen in

Canada or have anything to do with Canadian foreign

policy), give in to your misplaced feelings of revenge,

and allow your conservatism to promote draconian

measures of control. <br><br>Better you should stop the

jingoism and meditate more. Oh yes, and read Patanjali.

I'm sure that you haven't finished the Raja Yoga

Sutras yet.<br><br>omprem

[Guest guest]

Please read Sharon and David's inspirational thoughts regarding these matters at

the Jivamukti website (www.jivamukti.com)

[Guest guest]

sorry, it's www.jivamuktiyoga.com

[Guest guest]

For you to assume me to be a jingoist, a flag

waving patriot (of any stripe) who is promoting revenge,

only shows the depth of your ignorance. Yes I am a

Canadian, but what does that have to do with it, I don't

care what nationality the victims were. You calling me

a conservative does not make it so. What makes you,

a self-professed card-carrying Liberal, think I am

political at all? People don't need your droning

patronizing 'advice' at a time like this. Save it for your

paperback memoirs.<br>Screade

[Guest guest]

Masag - Actually I read that letter by Sharon

Gannon & David Life on the Jivamukti Discussion Board a

while ago already. I must say though that it wasn't

very inspirational to me at all. In essence, Sharon &

David just keep quoting and repeating what is written

in the scriptures, and that's that - but, sorry, I

can read the Baghavad Gita myself, thanks.<br><br>Btw

- good to see you apparently survived Tuesday's

horror unscathed.

[Guest guest]

Forgot the "l" in your name: that's Malsag of course, not "Masag". Sorry!

[Guest guest]

Your intentions are self-serving from what I can

see. Why not try to present yourself as less of a

heartless nazi? Get off your self-serving soap box. If I

misunderstood your post, and you meant to lift up people and be

suppportive, it's simply because you explain youself poorly.

Perhaps you should accept your own ignorance and just

crawl back in your hole and rot. Don't lecture from a

position which you haven't earned.<br><br>I am aware you

were taking a jnana apporach and that's what was

obvious. My post was directed at you, and my intentions

were good... you are not qualified to pronounce MY

intentions. You again expose your ignorance since jnana does

not provide a clause in it's stance that allows for

attacking those who disagree... it states that a difference

of opinion is to use logic to find the truth in the

debate. Your posts indicate you are unable to comprehend

compassion, jnana or bhava, so as for you, your posts will be

ignored in the future.<br><br>You show yourself to be a

bully, so I suppose I made a mistake in trying reason

with you, bullies generally aren't worth the effort.

You exhibit the same behaviour as a child wanting

attention. You've had your share.<br><br>To note your last

comment; the media doesn't claim to be staffed by yogis

that understand the underlying principles of yoga.

Again, you show more ignorance by iludng that the media

might have reason to be yogic. They have the story of

the millenium, loads of air time to fill with pundits

and journalists... all taking their 15 minutes in the

spotlight. Don't propose we should view them with the same

expectations we would someone that has studied with a man like

Guruji... check your head.<br><br>Ta,<br>Nada

[Guest guest]

"Great scholars and intellectuals who attract

attention by using pedantic Vedantic terms which mean that

all things are transitory and that only the Supreme

Self is real, are only impressing themselves and their

listeners for the moment. But soon, the net of delusion is

sure to bind them.<br><br>It is difficult to please

the Lord by lecturing others on spiritual matters or

by attaining popularity or fame. If He is to be

pleased, yoga must first be achieved through the

relinquishment of the sense of 'I' and 'mine'." - YOGA MALA,

page 31.<br><br>I came across these lines from

Guruji's book this morning. They reminded me of certain

messages I've read on this board, as well as on EZboard,

in the wake of the terrorist outrage which occured

in America on September 11th.<br><br>Those words by

Guruji are well spoken - and how true they resound.