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It's fairly useless. Many people here refuse to

believe that they need to moderate their behavior in any

way. <br>That they will become great yogis while being

completly under the control and dominion of the senses.

They think oh I am a free tantric maha yogin! When in

fact they are merely slaves addicted and deluded. <br>

Hari Bol

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pity how stereotyping leads to vikalpa and

viparyaya. i did not advocate a life of sensual abandon, nor

a practice of fake tantra. i suggested as

reasonable options for gay yogis either committed

relationships or freely choosing celibacy. tls's thoughtful

comments on taoist and tantric technique certainly are

apropos if the paramount consideration is retention of

semen.<br><br>before the path of brahmacharya was offered to me by

effulgent example, i practiced retention of semen and

energy during the sex act using techniques tls reffered

to. i have seen the word brahmacharya

translated/interpreted as "spiritual resolution of desire," a useful

concept, as it acknowledges a process. what is sadhana,

practice, but a process? no pop quizzes, no hoops set up by

others for us to jump through, hundreds of billions of

lifetimes to go, or no more at all, depending on our

individual path.<br><br>whenever the word "gay" appears,

verbal delusion and mental confusion explode in the

minds of some with "issues." they don't consider the

acts or words of an individual if he or she is gay,

relying instead on erronerous preconceived

notions.<br><br>perhaps, as you say, many people here do indeed refuse to

believe they need to moderate their behavior in any way

-- especially when it comes to that grand old yoga

tradition of harshly judging others identified as

different. oh yes how perfectly sattvic -- surely the

quickest path to Self-realization. or like the previous

writer, who thinks that brahmacharya (in others) is the

most important yoga precept, while ahimsa can be

tossed aside as long as the violent words are hurled in

the direction of, as she so charmingly purrs,

"queers."<br><br>the body and mind are illusion, projected by

universal consciousness. we are everybody, everything in

all places at all times. we are one.

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;O] - lovely emoticon and its almost me, daft

smile, big nose, wonky eye. . . just lacks the medusa

tresses. . .<br><br>on this subject of gay, well I think

we should just go back to when gay meant happy and

everybody just repressed their sexuality. never did any

harm whatsoever to anybody. <br><br>mind you some of

them are quite cute, and they always look so smart and

well turned out, and they're often intelligent and

sensitive and they. . . they. . . aaaaaarrrgggghhhhh they

are just people and some people can be total twats

and are the kind of folk i can only love from a

distance no matter how much yoga i had for bereakfast and

others i love them soooooo much. . .<br><br>retention of

seamen, sounds interesting. . . send details. will they

have those really tight bell bottoms on with nice

little cap sleeve tshirts with their fags (ooops, that

means cigarettes here) in the fold of the material

across their gnarled bicep, the whole package happily

contianed 'neath one of those jaunty caps. . .

<br><br>required reading:<br><br>South Pacific - talk about caged

heat<br>West Side Story - I feel pretty<br>The History of

Sexuality, Volume 1 (Foucault)<br><br>oh god please no more.

.. .

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can i just repeat that pls:<br><br>the body and

mind are illusion, projected by universal

consciousness. we are everybody, everything in all places at all

times. we are one.<br><br>thanks omboy<br><br>no#23 ;O]

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LMAO, in that way i have, whenever INNN23 free

associates in the irony zone! love you, never change, stay

forever, air kisses all around!<br><br>caged heat! stephen

sondheim! michel foucault!<br><br>keep away from

her!<br>send for chino!<br>this is not the ma-<br>ree-a we-e-e

know!

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Om Boyeee- You really are not a hero spoksman for

the beleagered queer nation, but just a hypocrite

hiding behind a lot of yoga terminology. If you're so

out and free why can't you just say you want midnight

sex with boys instead of couching it in a lot of

bullshit. One thousand air kisses between you and #23 can

be BLOWN some where else maharaj.

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You really can't play the poor persecuted little

thing here omboy. After all no one here would even know

anything about your sexuality if you didn't put it out

there every two minutes. NO ONE CARES what you do. I

don't think you should be beaten bloody because you're

gay but because you are a pretentious bore.

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om namah sivaya. satya, my friend, absolute

truth, is not threatened by your outburst of fiction. i

say what i want and mean from experience and

observation. have had lots of sex in my life, at midnight and

at other times. like breathing. don't live in a time

or place where that has ever required obfuscation.

only encounter harsh judgment of that in clubs,

where anonymous heroes hurl unimaginative invective.

sorry if you have been abused by ignorance in this

life. hopefully your yoga practice will one day clear

your mind.

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Oh dear. This conversation is really pushing some

buttons isn't it? Nothing like anonymity to get people's

true feelings about homos out. For those of you who

claim neutrality (not to care) toward homos, or who

purport to only be talking about yogic principles--come

back to read your posts sometime in the future.

Perhaps then you will see that the ill will and

righteousness expressed in some of them is way out of

proportion to the subject at hand. I had a great art teacher

once that when talking on the subject of art criticism

frequently reminded us that in a review you will often learn

more about the person critiquing a piece of art than

you will about the actual piece itself. That is

happening here too--here we are supposedly talking about

yoga and some tangents, and folks are actually laying

their prejudices bare on the board. I can only say this

because I have some prejudices of my own, who doesn't . I

only hope some learning comes of this conversation.

<br>I for one really don't care what your sexual

orientation is omboy, and or whether or not you post about

it. (and, for the record I recognize that you have

never used this forum as a "Hi I'm Omboy and and I'm

gay, sit back and let me talk about it for a while"

club. On gay studies topics it seems to me like you've

just told us about your chick-free classes for guys of

any sexual orientation and responded to other peoples

queries. further evidence that we are learning more about

the critics) Anyway, some of your posts have really

helped my practice, I just hope that you will stick

around and keep writing and include whatever you think

is relevant. I appreciate your frequent references

to the yoga sutras and your ability to bring a

tangent back around to YOGA. I have wanted to thank you

many a time before, so please pretend that I did so

prior to and independantly of this gay men? thread.

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<<<<<You really can't play the

poor persecuted little thing here

omboy.>>>>><br><br>looks like *somebody* needs a hug. i am

neither poor

nor persecuted. never claimed to be. deliciously rich

and blissful, thank you. and how are

you?<br><br><<<<<After all no one here would even know anything

about

your sexuality if you didn't put it out there every

two minutes.>>>>><br><br>ah yes, the

traditional "that's your private business and if only you did

not tell anybody you would not have a problem"

argument. reality check -- nobody here would know ANYTHING

about anybody else here if they did not express it.

what else is on the forbidden list of personal

attributes so i don't commit such an egregious faux pas

again?<br><br><<<<<NO ONE CARES what you

do.>>>>><br><br>you weren't paying attention. anti-gay sentiments

were expressed here gratuitously, with typical hate

speech. the claim was made that yoga philosophy, like the

catholic church, orthodox judaism, and christian and

muslim fundamentalism forbids anyone with a same-gender

orientation from ever being physically intimate with the

person of their choice. seems many care a great deal

what i and others do with our naughty bits, including

you apparently. silly me -- i read the upanishads and

see us all described as divine consciousness. perhaps

one day the king james version will be discovered

with the revised mahavakya: "tat twam asi ... unless

you lie with mankind as with

womankind."<br><br><<<<<I don't think you should be beaten bloody

because

you're gay but because you are a pretentious

bore.>>>>><br><br>uh-huh. another proud, happy, contented

heterosexual

showing us miserable fags the joyous gender-discordant

life we are missing. with such fascinating and

original sentiments too! did not know this was the

"ashtanga yoga -- pugnacious heteros only" club, but now

that i do i shall surely get with the

program.<br><br>suppose it had to happen sooner or later, that the trendy

proliferation of yoga would bring in the young republicans and

the rush limbaugh devotees. it's all good -- except

that the blue blazer and baggy khakis don't do much

for those childbearing hips, bubba.

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the air where you live must be fresh, clear and

crisp. oxygen filled. perpetually infused with bright

morning sunlight. thanks for sharing it.<br><br>re the

issue you so eloquently addressed:<br><br>my

understanding of raja yoga, of which ashtanga is a part, is

that it is a science. yamas and niyamas and the other

limbs are not so much moral codes as ingredients or

test tubes. brahmacharya is but one element we might

use to alter the constitution of the body, mind,

senses, i.e., our entire manifestation, so that we may

transcend our mistaken self-identification with illusion.

vairagya, dispassion or detachment, and viveka,

discrimination between reality and illusion, are most useful

tools. throwing some western concept of moral censure

into it clouds the mixture, creating more obstacles,

more veils of ignorance.<br><br>thich nhat hanh has

said of buddhism that its spread to the west

necessitates much cosmetic transformation to accommodate

western culture. doesn't change the essential nature of

its teachings.<br><br>same with yoga, vedanta,

hinduism. we have western phenomena: sticky mats, new age

celebrity, plumbing, the bible, media, interest-bearing

accounts, calvin klein, petit-bourgeois dynasties,

20-year-old hollywood royalty, etc., but all of that is still

illusory. doesn't change the essential nature of existence,

nor prevent the science of yoga or philosophy of the

vedas from helping us each find our personal

understanding of true reality.

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"suppose it had to happen sooner or later, that

the trendy proliferation of yoga would bring in the

young republicans and the rush limbaugh devotees. its

all good--- except that the blue blazer and baggy

khakis don't do much for those childbearing hips,

bubba."<br><br>whoops we don't like women too much do we now? No I'll

leave the cute outfits to you sugar. I just love the

one on your profile page!!! in that precious purple

asana shot with the spotlight effect smashing!

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Ah go easy on him, those clothes are all they let him take when they kicked him

out of Val Morin

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my apologies, thought you were a man. the blue

blazer/khaki pants outfit over wide hips is emblematic of the

rush limbaugh young republican male following, and

your words were reminiscent of their usual

line.<br><br>if you'd provided a picture, or a name, or anything

in your profile at all, i might not have made the

error. will endeavor to keep track of all the anonymous

gay-hating screen names and the genders they claim to be

from now on. and their favorite colors, desserts,

boxers or briefs, k-mart or target ...

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Of course "childbearing hips" is always used to refer to a man. You need more

than a picture.

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