spell-breaking

April 5, 2006

Thanks Kochu, for your time and efforts to post my comment. My

browser refused to connect to the net. Had to use alternative method

of reaching the page - through our trusted Kochu. :-)

Vir,

LSN = Lalitha Sahasranama.

If one reads LSN in full form, it is easy to understand that it is a

conversation between HyagrIva and Agasthya.

Poorva Baga (or Baaga for phonetics sake) consists of introduction

to LSN....why the slokas came into being.

Utra Baga describes the benefits of chanting among other things.

Even though Kochu can give a more detailed and of course a better

explanation, as the author of the post, I felt a need to respond to

your query.

SS homepage is in construction. The previous version had LSN in its

full form with its bashyam (Kochu's translation).

Once the homepage comes back in whole, it might be available again.

Or do a search on google for SS and LSN combination. May be there

are cached pages of the earlier version are available.

G

, Vir Rawlley <redderred

wrote:

>

> Dearest Kochu,

>

> This is the first time I have heard these - Poorva baga, LSN and

Utra baga, and as they are t do with Devi, I will be very grateful

if you could please tell me the full form of LSN and al;so what are

meant by poorva and utra baga.

>

> After reading all these posts on Mantras, I have actually lost my

appetite for all that fancy foot-work, because it appears also to me

that this gyan marg has immense potential to corrupt the mind of the

practationer if he or she is not "purified", leaving them with

some "weapons" with with to wreck havoc.

>

> Some of those who post here, as Nora mentioned in response to

Tarinis post, follow the Nath and Aghora paths. These paths

fascinated me, specially Aghore as I liked the devotion for Tara

that Vimalnanda showed in the Aghora series, a too the love for Kali

shared by Amarananda Bhairavan in his Kali's Oddiya.

>

> The way I see it is that if one had a physical mentor.guru, then

these paths - Tantra - make sense, else I would say avoid any

mantra, be it as simple as Hari Om, because one then paves the way

to open pandora's box; a we have all seen in these posts, where some

compasionate souls have been kind enough to warn us.

>

> I am truly scared. If some advanced "yogis" a yourselves have

been dishing out mantras, albeit with good intentions, and others

offer caution, the gyan marg is truly scary for me.

>

> The only reason I am attracted to Aghora/Tantra/Nath (I dnt know

aanything about the nath trqadition but as it is a part of Tantra

mention it), as well as curious what LSN, etc mean is because I

wanted to know my sweet Kaali more. But now I don't seem to know

anything.

>

> I dont know what she has these paths which can supposedly lead one

direct to her, and yet leave it with the potential to loose her

completely - or at least till the pralaya or worse still the

Mahapralaya, like playing Russian roulette. I think it is really

mean of her to show love and then take it away !

>

> sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: Ganpra wanted this posted.

he seems to have some problem.

> Here is what he says

>

> DP,

>

> There is a typo in the Chamunda mantra.

>

> Looking at this typo in a different perspective, is it possible

that SHE does not want it to be shared so freely?

>

> I apologize to sound patronizing or to speak from a high

pedestal, moola mantras are there for the purpose of "personal

salvation" as one might call it. Prayogam to actively engage in

conflict is what might be called a "corollary."

>

> Not for everyone to attempt it.

>

> I have a close friend who is going through a difficult time for

the last few years. All I have told them repeatedly is to chant LSN.

>

> While it is often stated that LSN needs initiation, but, if a

child calls for mother, will the mother not come to the child's aid?

>

> While a moola mantra takes around 15-30 minutes for a 108 japa,

LSN in its full (Poorva baga, LSN and Utra baga) takes only 45

minutes to an hour.

>

> LSN done with proper sankalpa is also a prayer. Meaning, there

is more leniency in chanting. A child learning to speak will be

taught how to say the words (HER names) correctly, rather than a

scientist trying to unravel issues of quantum physics using a

sophiticated equation (moola mantra prayogam). A scientist will be

evaluated and judged at the standards of his/her peers, while a

child will be taught to learn the nuances of languages by his/her

MOTHER.

>

> MOTHER will also protect the child for the simple fact that the

latter has no defense of its own. While taking the course of moola

mantra prayogam, one assumes the position of telling HER what to do.

What if the one doing the prayogam on the other side is a

better "Scientist," who is better versed in a prayogam?

>

> Apart from the above, in utra baga of LSN, there are several

results attributed to LSN, the ones which SHE will grant the

devotee. One of them is "If a person casts an evil eye, Marthanda

Bhairava himself will blind the person." While it might not be eye

for an eye, LSN will distract the particular person's attention so

that (s)he will be too occupied to think about HER devotee.

>

> May be some people here in this thread might like to see it as

eye for an eye and might be disappointed as a result and

disillusioned with LSN!! :-)

>

> In the sloka(s) before the above (may be Kochu can correct me

if I am wrong), it is said that any dhur prayogam directed on the

chanted of LSN will be reflected back on the one who started it all.

>

> Just pray with LSN or any mantra you have been initiated into.

Pray for your spiritual/mental/worldy well being and those of your

loved ones (in a sankalpam). Those are the easily allowed prayogams,

less cumbersome to practice.

>

> A Tigress protecting HER cubs is more ferocious than attacking

to claim territory!! ;-) Actions arising out of Love from heart is

more powerful than those from worldly wants. Even for HER.

>

> If SHE is with you, who can be against you?? Just give it a

thought!

>

> G

>

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April 5, 2006

Thanks Kochu,

I know what you mean :-) though it still hurts. Like kids aptly say "what-ever"

or "chill dude", yeh ! these are kind of "mantras". I wonder if someone would

please translate these two phrases/concepts into Sanskrit to add a ring of

authenticity ! Yeh ! I am serious :-)

But thanks Kochu, really .... thanks

April 6, 2006

Thank you Maa

Llundrub <llundrub wrote: Namo Ma Kali

Hum Hum

--Please read in--

April 6, 2006

Thank you DP, I should not have asked for it. Greed you know, I must curb this

tendency. My fault. Please my Friend, I am the one who must apologise, I do,

and I am truly sorry for asking for that which I am not prepared for.

Much love,

Vir

Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh wrote: Dear Vir,

I sincerely apologies as I will not be able to give it now.

Even though my original intent was to help someone in distress but it seems like

I have done damage instead construction.

I cant stop myself from helping someone who needs help, no matter who he/she is.

Also I assume that every one else will/should take all the precautions in using

any of the these things, as I would do, but it seems like its not the case.

Already I consider myself responsible for starting this huge argument (at least

thats what I think) by talking the name of Bagulamukhi, and I have no clue what

to do to stop it..

To everyone, please accept my sincere apologies. As usual I shall sit in back

seat and be a good listener / learner.

Thanks and Regards

Dp

On 4/4/06, Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote:

>

> My dear DP,

>

> Please can you share the Baguala Mala Mantra.

>

> Thank you very much,

>

> Vir

April 6, 2006

My dear Ganpra,

Thank you for the explainations, I was wondering if I would ever know :-(, I do

now :-) Thanks !

I have the LS from the Sri Ramakrishna Math - Swami Tapasyananda and the DM

again from the SRKM and translated by Swami Jagadiswarananda; but thankyou for

being thoughtful in showing where I could read the LS on the net.

May you always be happy,

Sincerely

Vir

ganpra <ganpra wrote: Thanks Kochu, for your time and efforts

to post my comment. My

browser refused to connect to the net. Had to use alternative method

of reaching the page - through our trusted Kochu. :-)

Vir,

LSN = Lalitha Sahasranama.

If one reads LSN in full form, it is easy to understand that it is a

conversation between HyagrIva and Agasthya.

Poorva Baga (or Baaga for phonetics sake) consists of introduction

to LSN....why the slokas came into being.

Utra Baga describes the benefits of chanting among other things.

Even though Kochu can give a more detailed and of course a better

explanation, as the author of the post, I felt a need to respond to

your query.

SS homepage is in construction. The previous version had LSN in its

full form with its bashyam (Kochu's translation).

Once the homepage comes back in whole, it might be available again.

Or do a search on google for SS and LSN combination. May be there

are cached pages of the earlier version are available.

G

April 6, 2006

Dear Vir,

There is nothing to be scared about. Kochu & Ganpra have given you sage advice.

Also, you had mentioned in an earlier post that you were recently initiated into

a mantra. Remember that all you have to do with utmost sincerity is to follow

the instructions of your Guru. Nothing else is required. What is the necessity

of looking for additional mantras?

The mantra that you have been initiated is the one that is right for you. Any

god/goddess can be most powerful as long as you believe in your guru/god/goddess

( one at the same ). You do not have to chase esoteric sanskrit stotras or

mantras to pray for any extra protection. You can pray in the language that is

most comfortable to you. Cry and She will hear you. Make sure you make a

life-long commitment to what your Guru has asked you to do. It definitely is a

lifelong commitment and it is not a quick fix in this age of instant

gratification. You will be guided as you reach higher stages. You do not have

to seek anything additional.

Kochu has given you the best way for your friend to address the matter of

suspected spell. The panchakshari mantra does not require initiation and all

that is required is the appropriate bhava. You may also do a mental recitation

of just the Shiva beej "Hroum". This also does not require initiation and can be

done anywhere. There are 2 schools of thought regarding the necessity of

initiation for Lalita Sahasranama. I will leave that to those who have better

knowledge than I do regarding this subject.

I will include you and your friend in my prayers.

||Om Hreem Sri Rajarajeshwaryai Namah||

Balaji

-------------- Original message --------------

Vir Rawlley <redderred

Dearest Kochu,

This is the first time I have heard these - Poorva baga, LSN and Utra baga, and

as they are t do with Devi, I will be very grateful if you could please tell me

the full form of LSN and al;so what are meant by poorva and utra baga.

After reading all these posts on Mantras, I have actually lost my appetite for

all that fancy foot-work, because it appears also to me that this gyan marg has

immense potential to corrupt the mind of the practationer if he or she is not

"purified", leaving them with some "weapons" with with to wreck havoc.

Some of those who post here, as Nora mentioned in response to Tarinis post,

follow the Nath and Aghora paths. These paths fascinated me, specially Aghore

as I liked the devotion for Tara that Vimalnanda showed in the Aghora series, a

too the love for Kali shared by Amarananda Bhairavan in his Kali's Oddiya.

The way I see it is that if one had a physical mentor.guru, then these paths -

Tantra - make sense, else I would say avoid any mantra, be it as simple as Hari

Om, because one then paves the way to open pandora's box; a we have all seen in

these posts, where some compasionate souls have been kind enough to warn us.

I am truly scared. If some advanced "yogis" a yourselves have been dishing out

mantras, albeit with good intentions, and others offer caution, the gyan marg is

truly scary for me.

The only reason I am attracted to Aghora/Tantra/Nath (I dnt know aanything about

the nath trqadition but as it is a part of Tantra mention it), as well as

curious what LSN, etc mean is because I wanted to know my sweet Kaali more. But

now I don't seem to know anything.

I dont know what she has these paths which can supposedly lead one direct to

her, and yet leave it with the potential to loose her completely - or at least

till the pralaya or worse still the Mahapralaya, like playing Russian roulette.

I think it is really mean of her to show love and then take it away !

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: Ganpra wanted this posted. he seems

to have some problem.

Here is what he says

DP,

There is a typo in the Chamunda mantra.

Looking at this typo in a different perspective, is it possible that SHE does

not want it to be shared so freely?

I apologize to sound patronizing or to speak from a high pedestal, moola

mantras are there for the purpose of "personal salvation" as one might call it.

Prayogam to actively engage in conflict is what might be called a "corollary."

Not for everyone to attempt it.

I have a close friend who is going through a difficult time for the last few

years. All I have told them repeatedly is to chant LSN.

While it is often stated that LSN needs initiation, but, if a child calls for

mother, will the mother not come to the child's aid?

While a moola mantra takes around 15-30 minutes for a 108 japa, LSN in its

full (Poorva baga, LSN and Utra baga) takes only 45 minutes to an hour.

LSN done with proper sankalpa is also a prayer. Meaning, there is more

leniency in chanting. A child learning to speak will be taught how to say the

words (HER names) correctly, rather than a scientist trying to unravel issues of

quantum physics using a sophiticated equation (moola mantra prayogam). A

scientist will be evaluated and judged at the standards of his/her peers, while

a child will be taught to learn the nuances of languages by his/her MOTHER.

MOTHER will also protect the child for the simple fact that the latter has no

defense of its own. While taking the course of moola mantra prayogam, one

assumes the position of telling HER what to do. What if the one doing the

prayogam on the other side is a better "Scientist," who is better versed in a

prayogam?

Apart from the above, in utra baga of LSN, there are several results

attributed to LSN, the ones which SHE will grant the devotee. One of them is "If

a person casts an evil eye, Marthanda Bhairava himself will blind the person."

While it might not be eye for an eye, LSN will distract the particular person's

attention so that (s)he will be too occupied to think about HER devotee.

May be some people here in this thread might like to see it as eye for an eye

and might be disappointed as a result and disillusioned with LSN!! :-)

In the sloka(s) before the above (may be Kochu can correct me if I am wrong),

it is said that any dhur prayogam directed on the chanted of LSN will be

reflected back on the one who started it all.

Just pray with LSN or any mantra you have been initiated into. Pray for your

spiritual/mental/worldy well being and those of your loved ones (in a

sankalpam). Those are the easily allowed prayogams, less cumbersome to practice.

A Tigress protecting HER cubs is more ferocious than attacking to claim

territory!! ;-) Actions arising out of Love from heart is more powerful than

those from worldly wants. Even for HER.

If SHE is with you, who can be against you?? Just give it a thought!

G

Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates

starting at 1¢/min.

Visit your group "" on the web.

Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+

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April 6, 2006

On 4/5/06, Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote:

>

> Thank you DP, I should not have asked for it. Greed you know, I must curb

> this tendency. My fault. Please my Friend, I am the one who must

> apologise, I do, and I am truly sorry for asking for that which I am not

> prepared for.

I feel you.. I am in the same boat... Very Very greedy when it comes to

knowledge of tantra... ha ha ha.

However I am still worried about the person who started this thread. I think it

was Ralph and/or his friend (heck my memory is bad ). I mean were we able to

help him, like at all? Or all this was for nothing???

With all regards

Dp

April 6, 2006

Dearest Balaji,

Thankyou for the good intentions you will generate for me when you pray. I am

very grateful. As per the Wiccaan Law of Three, I wish you 3 times as much

back.

Smiles,

Vir

bsubramaniam wrote: Dear Vir,