Vikrant list of questions (Mantra)

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Dear Devi Bhakta,

 

Namaskaar, i w'd interfere her for a purpose, see the

mantra itself doesnt do anything, it's again like a physical thing,

like our body doesnt do anything unless it has soul, sound is also

one of the panchmahabhutas. so there is nothing divine in it. what we

get is the help to realize sth divine, so, how u get a mantra is not

a big thing, even mantra itself doesnt have any divine power of any

sort except it has some frequecny and intensity, so there should not

be much hype on mantras.

 

what happens, while chanting, u feel u r doing sth devine

and ur mind opens up with bhakti, it becomes thirsty of god's love

and that's the thing that works. ones ur heart is clean, i mean, the

status, when u dont try to become cleaver, god let's u feel that it's

with u and realizes it's presence in many ways, sometimes u will see,

what u think or say happens next moment only, normally ppl

interpretes it's the power of mantra and they start doing more and

more chanting like an excercise or keeping fasts for longer period.

no it's not the case, what works is the Divine Love. so, pls. dont

get into ritual things only like stressing the ways to find a mantra,

better if possible find some love or bhakti, mantra will follow u to

chant it and will take care of u like a eternal parent of u.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> This statement is, I think, generally correct -- but possibly a

> little too broad.

>

> *** A true "siddha" won't give a mantra thru the internet or a

postal

> letter. How could they even if they wanted to? I mantra is sound

> and must be blown into the disciple's ear. ***

>

> I agree, re: the postal letter. However, what about an mp3 or other

> sound file, specifically intended (my point being that "INTENT" is

> the other key at work here) by the Guru for the shishya?

>

> Maybe I am splittig hairs, though. There is certainly no

transmission

> without sound, and I would argue sound + intent. But perhaps a

third

> requirement would be a pre-established personal contact -- in other

> words, once a connection is established between Guru and shishya in

> person, I imagine the Guru would be able to use that Bridge at

will,

> and the Internet or telephone could be an aid.

>

> Obviously, this is not a substitute for the traditional

transmission

> from Guru's lips to shishya's ears. But in a pinch, where there is

> Will and Intent on the part of both Guru and shishya, this could be

> done at least as a temporary matter (I am thinking, say, of a

shishya

> in one country and a guru in another; the shishya meets a crisis

> situation which requires use of a new mantra -- but s/he will not

see

> the Guru in person for, say, a year. In such a case could not the

> guru and shishya surely arrange something?)

>

> *** Mantras are like precious jewels. A true possessor of an

active

> mantra won't just throw them into the street. ***

>

> Obviously, this is not the scenario I describe.

>

> *** mahahradanatha wrote: What are the instructions: Insert your

> wallet in drive a and press any key to empty? ***

>

> *lol* I am also not referring to "buy a mantra over the Internet"

> schemes, which are (I would suggest) always a bad idea.

>

> DB

>

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i beg to disagree. Mantra is awakened by the person who has realised or has

authority to awaken it. Once awakened it becomes powerful. Given by a person

with authority, the mantra goes as "awakened" and it will do its job.

 

litsol <litsol wrote:

Dear Devi Bhakta,

 

Namaskaar, i w'd interfere her for a purpose, see the

mantra itself doesnt do anything, it's again like a physical thing,

like our body doesnt do anything unless it has soul, sound is also

one of the panchmahabhutas. so there is nothing divine in it. what we

get is the help to realize sth divine, so, how u get a mantra is not

a big thing, even mantra itself doesnt have any divine power of any

sort except it has some frequecny and intensity, so there should not

be much hype on mantras.

 

what happens, while chanting, u feel u r doing sth devine

and ur mind opens up with bhakti, it becomes thirsty of god's love

and that's the thing that works. ones ur heart is clean, i mean, the

status, when u dont try to become cleaver, god let's u feel that it's

with u and realizes it's presence in many ways, sometimes u will see,

what u think or say happens next moment only, normally ppl

interpretes it's the power of mantra and they start doing more and

more chanting like an excercise or keeping fasts for longer period.

no it's not the case, what works is the Divine Love. so, pls. dont

get into ritual things only like stressing the ways to find a mantra,

better if possible find some love or bhakti, mantra will follow u to

chant it and will take care of u like a eternal parent of u.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> This statement is, I think, generally correct -- but possibly a

> little too broad.

>

> *** A true "siddha" won't give a mantra thru the internet or a

postal

> letter. How could they even if they wanted to? I mantra is sound

> and must be blown into the disciple's ear. ***

>

> I agree, re: the postal letter. However, what about an mp3 or other

> sound file, specifically intended (my point being that "INTENT" is

> the other key at work here) by the Guru for the shishya?

>

> Maybe I am splittig hairs, though. There is certainly no

transmission

> without sound, and I would argue sound + intent. But perhaps a

third

> requirement would be a pre-established personal contact -- in other

> words, once a connection is established between Guru and shishya in

> person, I imagine the Guru would be able to use that Bridge at

will,

> and the Internet or telephone could be an aid.

>

> Obviously, this is not a substitute for the traditional

transmission

> from Guru's lips to shishya's ears. But in a pinch, where there is

> Will and Intent on the part of both Guru and shishya, this could be

> done at least as a temporary matter (I am thinking, say, of a

shishya

> in one country and a guru in another; the shishya meets a crisis

> situation which requires use of a new mantra -- but s/he will not

see

> the Guru in person for, say, a year. In such a case could not the

> guru and shishya surely arrange something?)

>

> *** Mantras are like precious jewels. A true possessor of an

active

> mantra won't just throw them into the street. ***

>

> Obviously, this is not the scenario I describe.

>

> *** mahahradanatha wrote: What are the instructions: Insert your

> wallet in drive a and press any key to empty? ***

>

> *lol* I am also not referring to "buy a mantra over the Internet"

> schemes, which are (I would suggest) always a bad idea.

>

> DB

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Lalit:

 

I'd have to join Kochu in respectfully disagreeing.

 

*** see the mantra itself doesnt do anything, it's again like a

physical thing, like our body doesnt do anything unless it has soul,

sound is also one of the panchmahabhutas. so there is nothing divine

in it. ***

 

On the contrary, the mantra is the Deity her- or himself in sound

form. It is not a symbol "of" the Deity, or a prayer "to" the Deity.

It is the vibrational essence Itself.

 

 

*** what happens, while chanting, u feel u r doing sth devine and ur

mind opens up with bhakti, it becomes thirsty of god's love and

that's the thing that works ***

 

That may be partially true in the case of certain basic, well-known,

popular mantras (though these too have a living essence, just at a

much lower and gentler intensity), but not in the case of the secret

and initiatory mantras.

 

*** no it's not the case, what works is the Divine Love. so, pls.

dont get into ritual things only like stressing the ways to find a

mantra ***

 

First, I would say one need not exclude the other; i.e. bhakti OR

ritual. These things are complementary and work in tandem. I agree

that Bhakti is essential, a sine qua non of sadhana. But the matter

of preserving and orally communicating the mantra don't the lineage

is not a mere "ritual thing" -- it is something like preserving the

Olympic flame as it's run around the world from games to games.

Except this flame is more than symbolic; it has unimaginable

substance and has been continuously burning and passing through the

generations since very close to the dawn of humankind.

 

aim mAtangyai namaH

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No, i did great mantra chanting, countlessly, may be multi crores...

and found it's not the mantra but "u the being" is awakened.

 

I openly share my experience with friends, sometimes miracle like

things happens at will only, and i dont do mantra chanting to do

anything, then how it happens, how to express it ...... coz if u

have a live connection with god or cosmic chetna(a hindi word), it

happens, ppl think mantra is doing it, no maa is doing for her

beloved being.

 

this misconcept,has resulted in ppl's temptation for doing mantra

chanting like a physical excercise more and more and for the years.

i have seen ppl, doing enaged in all sort of immorality and then

doing mantra jaap to balance it, NO,It's not the way out.

 

mantra is a "physical tool" to awaken u like light, air, earth sky,

u know the 5 elements, it's mere a sound, doesnt matter how and from

whome u get a mantra. Bhakti or Love works.

 

once i doubted my guru who gave me mantra, he said to me "Lalit, i

may be a rascal, but u chant this mantra and thru ur chanting, u

will one day come back to me to let me know the taste, the joy and

experience". so all matters is only sadhak, only u a matter of

subject and ur god, guru is a loving guide. that's it. also rituals

are for conditioning ur mind, never think any ritual will do

anything, it's only u or ur mind that will work when maa will decide

to show her love to u.

 

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz

wrote:

>

> i beg to disagree. Mantra is awakened by the person who has

realised or has authority to awaken it. Once awakened it becomes

powerful. Given by a person with authority, the mantra goes

as "awakened" and it will do its job.

>

> litsol <litsol wrote:

> Dear Devi Bhakta,

>

> Namaskaar, i w'd interfere her for a purpose, see the

> mantra itself doesnt do anything, it's again like a physical

thing,

> like our body doesnt do anything unless it has soul, sound is also

> one of the panchmahabhutas. so there is nothing divine in it. what

we

> get is the help to realize sth divine, so, how u get a mantra is

not

> a big thing, even mantra itself doesnt have any divine power of

any

> sort except it has some frequecny and intensity, so there should

not

> be much hype on mantras.

>

> what happens, while chanting, u feel u r doing sth

devine

> and ur mind opens up with bhakti, it becomes thirsty of god's love

> and that's the thing that works. ones ur heart is clean, i mean,

the

> status, when u dont try to become cleaver, god let's u feel that

it's

> with u and realizes it's presence in many ways, sometimes u will

see,

> what u think or say happens next moment only, normally ppl

> interpretes it's the power of mantra and they start doing more and

> more chanting like an excercise or keeping fasts for longer

period.

> no it's not the case, what works is the Divine Love. so, pls. dont

> get into ritual things only like stressing the ways to find a

mantra,

> better if possible find some love or bhakti, mantra will follow u

to

> chant it and will take care of u like a eternal parent of u.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

> , "Devi Bhakta"

> <devi_bhakta@> wrote:

> >

> > This statement is, I think, generally correct -- but possibly a

> > little too broad.

> >

> > *** A true "siddha" won't give a mantra thru the internet or a

> postal

> > letter. How could they even if they wanted to? I mantra is

sound

> > and must be blown into the disciple's ear. ***

> >

> > I agree, re: the postal letter. However, what about an mp3 or

other

> > sound file, specifically intended (my point being that "INTENT"

is

> > the other key at work here) by the Guru for the shishya?

> >

> > Maybe I am splittig hairs, though. There is certainly no

> transmission

> > without sound, and I would argue sound + intent. But perhaps a

> third

> > requirement would be a pre-established personal contact -- in

other

> > words, once a connection is established between Guru and shishya

in

> > person, I imagine the Guru would be able to use that Bridge at

> will,

> > and the Internet or telephone could be an aid.

> >

> > Obviously, this is not a substitute for the traditional

> transmission

> > from Guru's lips to shishya's ears. But in a pinch, where there

is

> > Will and Intent on the part of both Guru and shishya, this could

be

> > done at least as a temporary matter (I am thinking, say, of a

> shishya

> > in one country and a guru in another; the shishya meets a crisis

> > situation which requires use of a new mantra -- but s/he will

not

> see

> > the Guru in person for, say, a year. In such a case could not

the

> > guru and shishya surely arrange something?)

> >

> > *** Mantras are like precious jewels. A true possessor of an

> active

> > mantra won't just throw them into the street. ***

> >

> > Obviously, this is not the scenario I describe.

> >

> > *** mahahradanatha wrote: What are the instructions: Insert your

> > wallet in drive a and press any key to empty? ***

> >

> > *lol* I am also not referring to "buy a mantra over the

Internet"

> > schemes, which are (I would suggest) always a bad idea.

> >

> > DB

> >

>

>

>

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Dear DB,

 

I m sorry to address u this way as i dont know ur real name. here is

the answer -

 

Point 1. That may be partially true in the case of certain basic,

well-known, popular mantras (though these too have a living essence,

just at a much lower and gentler intensity), but not in the case of

the secret and initiatory mantras.

 

 

Answer : If u keep chanting for some time, the mantra jaap itslf

stops, now u dont chant it anymore, now u listen to it, self echoing

within u, u will enjoy ultimate pleasure, and then this self echoing

mantra also gradually dilutess, u never come to kow when it's

stopped and where it's gone and thereafter u realize ur union with

the God, at least, u feel u have a live link with the god, after

some time this duality is also no more and a state of oneness comes,

then what happens, i cant express properly sometimes u even dont

remember it, a zero like status, it's a matter of realization.

 

2. Again saying it's the intensity of ur sacred emotions that comes

thru mantra chanting or some other way, and I will request to all to

not to descriminate the mantra like some mantras are more important

or more powerful than others, no, i have chanted mantras of all 10

mahavidyas including ShriVidya's mantra, experimented with other

mantras believed to be devoted to other gods like ganesh, shiva,

vishnu, rama etc. found same result at the end. The God comes to u

in the shape u desire or God itself wants to come for u. nature and

ur "will" starts working in tandem as u become more and more natural

and simple. if divine, every akshhar is equally divine. pls. notice

i m suggested by guru to chant only one mantra and even not

initiated by that mantra, that mantra, i was initated with, couldn't

attract me and my guru suggested me to chant other mantra, so

mostly, i chanted this second mantra and for the experiment purpose

went to chat other mantras as well.

 

It's simply my experience that i shared, i m not laying down sth new

or chllanging to any thought of school.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Hi Lalit:

>

> I'd have to join Kochu in respectfully disagreeing.

>

> *** see the mantra itself doesnt do anything, it's again like a

> physical thing, like our body doesnt do anything unless it has

soul,

> sound is also one of the panchmahabhutas. so there is nothing

divine

> in it. ***

>

> On the contrary, the mantra is the Deity her- or himself in sound

> form. It is not a symbol "of" the Deity, or a prayer "to" the

Deity.

> It is the vibrational essence Itself.

>

>

> *** what happens, while chanting, u feel u r doing sth devine and

ur

> mind opens up with bhakti, it becomes thirsty of god's love and

> that's the thing that works ***

>

> That may be partially true in the case of certain basic, well-

known,

> popular mantras (though these too have a living essence, just at a

> much lower and gentler intensity), but not in the case of the

secret

> and initiatory mantras.

>

> *** no it's not the case, what works is the Divine Love. so, pls.

> dont get into ritual things only like stressing the ways to find a

> mantra ***

>

> First, I would say one need not exclude the other; i.e. bhakti OR

> ritual. These things are complementary and work in tandem. I agree

> that Bhakti is essential, a sine qua non of sadhana. But the

matter

> of preserving and orally communicating the mantra don't the

lineage

> is not a mere "ritual thing" -- it is something like preserving

the

> Olympic flame as it's run around the world from games to games.

> Except this flame is more than symbolic; it has unimaginable

> substance and has been continuously burning and passing through

the

> generations since very close to the dawn of humankind.

>

> aim mAtangyai namaH

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit:

 

Thanks for this. There is certainly enough room for many different

viewpoints in this vast subject matter.

 

Speaking of such viewpoints, I was gratified to see this message

from Guruji Sri Amritananda's mailing list -- just this morning, by

chance!

 

He said: "Mantras circulate divine vibrations and lights in all

parts of your body, converting body made out of flesh into a body of

lights."

 

More food for abundant thought and reflection ...

 

aim mAtangyai namaH

 

 

, "litsol" <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear DB,

>

> I m sorry to address u this way as i dont know ur real name. here

is

> the answer -

>

> Point 1. That may be partially true in the case of certain basic,

> well-known, popular mantras (though these too have a living

essence,

> just at a much lower and gentler intensity), but not in the case

of

> the secret and initiatory mantras.

>

>

> Answer : If u keep chanting for some time, the mantra jaap itslf

> stops, now u dont chant it anymore, now u listen to it, self

echoing

> within u, u will enjoy ultimate pleasure, and then this self

echoing

> mantra also gradually dilutess, u never come to kow when it's

> stopped and where it's gone and thereafter u realize ur union with

> the God, at least, u feel u have a live link with the god, after

> some time this duality is also no more and a state of oneness

comes,

> then what happens, i cant express properly sometimes u even dont

> remember it, a zero like status, it's a matter of realization.

>

> 2. Again saying it's the intensity of ur sacred emotions that

comes

> thru mantra chanting or some other way, and I will request to all

to

> not to descriminate the mantra like some mantras are more

important

> or more powerful than others, no, i have chanted mantras of all 10

> mahavidyas including ShriVidya's mantra, experimented with other

> mantras believed to be devoted to other gods like ganesh, shiva,

> vishnu, rama etc. found same result at the end. The God comes to u

> in the shape u desire or God itself wants to come for u. nature

and

> ur "will" starts working in tandem as u become more and more

natural

> and simple. if divine, every akshhar is equally divine. pls.

notice

> i m suggested by guru to chant only one mantra and even not

> initiated by that mantra, that mantra, i was initated with,

couldn't

> attract me and my guru suggested me to chant other mantra, so

> mostly, i chanted this second mantra and for the experiment

purpose

> went to chat other mantras as well.

>

> It's simply my experience that i shared, i m not laying down sth

new

> or chllanging to any thought of school.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Devi Bhakta"

> <devi_bhakta@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Lalit:

> >

> > I'd have to join Kochu in respectfully disagreeing.

> >

> > *** see the mantra itself doesnt do anything, it's again like a

> > physical thing, like our body doesnt do anything unless it has

> soul,

> > sound is also one of the panchmahabhutas. so there is nothing

> divine

> > in it. ***

> >

> > On the contrary, the mantra is the Deity her- or himself in

sound

> > form. It is not a symbol "of" the Deity, or a prayer "to" the

> Deity.

> > It is the vibrational essence Itself.

> >

> >

> > *** what happens, while chanting, u feel u r doing sth devine

and

> ur

> > mind opens up with bhakti, it becomes thirsty of god's love and

> > that's the thing that works ***

> >

> > That may be partially true in the case of certain basic, well-

> known,

> > popular mantras (though these too have a living essence, just at

a

> > much lower and gentler intensity), but not in the case of the

> secret

> > and initiatory mantras.

> >

> > *** no it's not the case, what works is the Divine Love. so,

pls.

> > dont get into ritual things only like stressing the ways to find

a

> > mantra ***

> >

> > First, I would say one need not exclude the other; i.e. bhakti

OR

> > ritual. These things are complementary and work in tandem. I

agree

> > that Bhakti is essential, a sine qua non of sadhana. But the

> matter

> > of preserving and orally communicating the mantra don't the

> lineage

> > is not a mere "ritual thing" -- it is something like preserving

> the

> > Olympic flame as it's run around the world from games to games.

> > Except this flame is more than symbolic; it has unimaginable

> > substance and has been continuously burning and passing through

> the

> > generations since very close to the dawn of humankind.

> >

> > aim mAtangyai namaH

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear DB,

 

Yes, Swami Amrita is right, mantras do it, it's inherently added to

mantras, but it's a by product like thing, it's not main objective,

the main objective should be realization of union with god only, what

i tried to emphasize it, bhakti behind mantra chanting is the real

thing, a mantra if coupled with bhakti is a help to dilute dense

sanskaar, once it's diluted u start feeling the person next to u is

also like u, "Atmvat Sarvbhuteshu" and it makes this world lovable

worth living.

 

same time i said, this thing can happen even without mantra chanting,

by yoga or even by playing football, in fact there is no thumb rule

in god's world.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit:

>

> Thanks for this. There is certainly enough room for many different

> viewpoints in this vast subject matter.

>

> Speaking of such viewpoints, I was gratified to see this message

> from Guruji Sri Amritananda's mailing list -- just this morning, by

> chance!

>

> He said: "Mantras circulate divine vibrations and lights in all

> parts of your body, converting body made out of flesh into a body

of

> lights."

>

> More food for abundant thought and reflection ...

>

> aim mAtangyai namaH

>

>

> , "litsol" <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear DB,

> >

> > I m sorry to address u this way as i dont know ur real name. here

> is

> > the answer -

> >

> > Point 1. That may be partially true in the case of certain basic,

> > well-known, popular mantras (though these too have a living

> essence,

> > just at a much lower and gentler intensity), but not in the case

> of

> > the secret and initiatory mantras.

> >

> >

> > Answer : If u keep chanting for some time, the mantra jaap itslf

> > stops, now u dont chant it anymore, now u listen to it, self

> echoing

> > within u, u will enjoy ultimate pleasure, and then this self

> echoing

> > mantra also gradually dilutess, u never come to kow when it's

> > stopped and where it's gone and thereafter u realize ur union

with

> > the God, at least, u feel u have a live link with the god, after

> > some time this duality is also no more and a state of oneness

> comes,

> > then what happens, i cant express properly sometimes u even dont

> > remember it, a zero like status, it's a matter of realization.

> >

> > 2. Again saying it's the intensity of ur sacred emotions that

> comes

> > thru mantra chanting or some other way, and I will request to all

> to

> > not to descriminate the mantra like some mantras are more

> important

> > or more powerful than others, no, i have chanted mantras of all

10

> > mahavidyas including ShriVidya's mantra, experimented with other

> > mantras believed to be devoted to other gods like ganesh, shiva,

> > vishnu, rama etc. found same result at the end. The God comes to

u

> > in the shape u desire or God itself wants to come for u. nature

> and

> > ur "will" starts working in tandem as u become more and more

> natural

> > and simple. if divine, every akshhar is equally divine. pls.

> notice

> > i m suggested by guru to chant only one mantra and even not

> > initiated by that mantra, that mantra, i was initated with,

> couldn't

> > attract me and my guru suggested me to chant other mantra, so

> > mostly, i chanted this second mantra and for the experiment

> purpose

> > went to chat other mantras as well.

> >

> > It's simply my experience that i shared, i m not laying down sth

> new

> > or chllanging to any thought of school.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Devi Bhakta"

> > <devi_bhakta@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Lalit:

> > >

> > > I'd have to join Kochu in respectfully disagreeing.

> > >

> > > *** see the mantra itself doesnt do anything, it's again like a

> > > physical thing, like our body doesnt do anything unless it has

> > soul,

> > > sound is also one of the panchmahabhutas. so there is nothing

> > divine

> > > in it. ***

> > >

> > > On the contrary, the mantra is the Deity her- or himself in

> sound

> > > form. It is not a symbol "of" the Deity, or a prayer "to" the

> > Deity.

> > > It is the vibrational essence Itself.

> > >

> > >

> > > *** what happens, while chanting, u feel u r doing sth devine

> and

> > ur

> > > mind opens up with bhakti, it becomes thirsty of god's love and

> > > that's the thing that works ***

> > >

> > > That may be partially true in the case of certain basic, well-

> > known,

> > > popular mantras (though these too have a living essence, just

at

> a

> > > much lower and gentler intensity), but not in the case of the

> > secret

> > > and initiatory mantras.

> > >

> > > *** no it's not the case, what works is the Divine Love. so,

> pls.

> > > dont get into ritual things only like stressing the ways to

find

> a

> > > mantra ***

> > >

> > > First, I would say one need not exclude the other; i.e. bhakti

> OR

> > > ritual. These things are complementary and work in tandem. I

> agree

> > > that Bhakti is essential, a sine qua non of sadhana. But the

> > matter

> > > of preserving and orally communicating the mantra don't the

> > lineage

> > > is not a mere "ritual thing" -- it is something like preserving

> > the

> > > Olympic flame as it's run around the world from games to games.

> > > Except this flame is more than symbolic; it has unimaginable

> > > substance and has been continuously burning and passing through

> > the

> > > generations since very close to the dawn of humankind.

> > >

> > > aim mAtangyai namaH

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, "litsol" <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear DB,

>

> Yes, Swami Amrita is right, mantras do it, it's inherently added to

> mantras, but it's a by product like thing, it's not main objective,

 

I differ from this opinion, to achieve this mantra deha is the ultimate

accomplishment, hard to reach even for the gods, a Yogi possesing such

a body of light is liberated and immortal while being alive, he is one

with Pranava. There exists no other Aim in Yoga higher than to give

birth to the ultimate Light body which is Nada.

Mahahradanatha

[Guest guest]

I wonder,why no one puts and shares his experience, only refers to

other's theory or statement.

 

I m sorry, how come u can say light is divine or there is divine

light ? God is very much present in dark also, dark is equally divine.

 

If any of u sharre ur realization w'd be immense help to members of

this group, otherwise what we can do with the myths.

 

I clearly said mantra is one of the best tool and to use this tool,

definitely we need a body, no differences in it.

 

there is as such no body made of light, i w'd request, u to put an

example in ur support for our knowledge.

 

There are astral(suksccham) bodies, if u want to refer to this, it's

ok with me.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

, "mahahradanatha"

<mahahradanatha wrote:

>

> , "litsol" <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear DB,

> >

> > Yes, Swami Amrita is right, mantras do it, it's inherently added

to

> > mantras, but it's a by product like thing, it's not main

objective,

>

> I differ from this opinion, to achieve this mantra deha is the

ultimate

> accomplishment, hard to reach even for the gods, a Yogi possesing

such

> a body of light is liberated and immortal while being alive, he is

one

> with Pranava. There exists no other Aim in Yoga higher than to give

> birth to the ultimate Light body which is Nada.

> Mahahradanatha

>

[Guest guest]

Dear DB,

 

From the centuries on,we have been declaring favorable things as

divine and unfavorable as not divine, when we will accept as god is

in everything, so every particle is equally divine.

 

Pls. dont get confused with explainations in fine language, i wish to

meet Swami Amrita some day to see this body of light, even if someone

got a body of light, so what, does he get the God ?

 

We have to fix what is our target, Maa, her bhakti, sadhana or the

glamor that comes with sadhna or bhakti and sometimes it deviates us

from the goal. I dont say such a glamor is bad, if it doesnt deviate

us it's good coz having it with u, u can do sth for the world, no

doubt.

 

regards,

Lalit.

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit:

>

> Thanks for this. There is certainly enough room for many different

> viewpoints in this vast subject matter.

>

> Speaking of such viewpoints, I was gratified to see this message

> from Guruji Sri Amritananda's mailing list -- just this morning, by

> chance!

>

> He said: "Mantras circulate divine vibrations and lights in all

> parts of your body, converting body made out of flesh into a body

of

> lights."

>

> More food for abundant thought and reflection ...

>

> aim mAtangyai namaH

>

>

[Guest guest]

, "litsol" <litsol wrote:

>

>

> I wonder,why no one puts and shares his experience, only refers to

> other's theory or statement.

 

 

Sometimes personal experiences is questionable too u know. People who

claim to have their kundalini' risen etc. Is it an illusion or real? U

see a lot of people using the net to self advertise themselves,

braging about their experiences. Its feeding their ego. This need to

be acknowledge that they have accomplish something.

 

So one have to be careful when trying to share experiences esp on

spiritual matters. And the net is the best place to promote oneself.

[Guest guest]

No doubt that everything is divine.its all Her! but mantras have it

own purpose , and not that they are the only way either.

mananaM vishvavijnjAnaM trANaM saMsArabandanAt

yataH karoti saMsiddho mantra ityucyate tat.. - [pinagala - mata]

 

mananAt trANanAcchaiva madrUpasyAvabodhanAt.

mantra ityucyate samya~N madadhishhTAnataH priye.. - [rudrayAmala]

 

mananAt tatvarUpasya devasyAmitatejasaH.

trAyate sarvabhayataH tasmAnmatra itIritaH [ kulArnava]

 

mantra is a mantra coz it helpz in the mentation (mananam0 or

intuitive understanding of the real nature of phenomenal presence or

divine presence or the 'form' of the diety and protection from the

bonds of phenomenal existence and from all fears

yathA kAshhTagato vahniH vyajyate mathanAdibhiH

tathA mantraprabhAveNa bhaktyAbhivyajyate shivaH..

"even as the fire hidden in the fuel is brought out by friction, even

so by the power of the mantra devotion to the diety will help the

manifestation of godhead."

 

mantrArthadevatAcintanaM parameshvari.

vAcyavAcakabhAvenAbhedo mantradvatayoH .. -[rudrayAmala]

and the seed syllables are said to be divine and potent, and they make

for the efiicacy of a mantra.Merely by reciting them, the presence of

the diety is secured.

shR^iNu devi pravakshyAmi bIjAnA.n devarUpatAm.

mantraoccAraNamAtreNa devarUpa.n prajAyate..

 

and the way parasurama has put it - mantrANAmacintyashktitA

 

i blve if sme1 wants to see a body of light they dont need to go

anywhere or meet anyone , they can see it being right there where

they are, provided they have true love and Her grace. but 'mantras'

itself are no longer part of upasana but something like 'lab material'

tht people use to do "experiments??" !!!

Indeed everything is divine, but how many have realised that. maybe

its to reach that level that we have mantras. we say mantras are

nothing but the form of diety itself. and after doing japa or

evenmaybe doing nyasa of that mantra on our body, we slowly realise

that divinity spreading all over our body. and when we look at our own

body, we will see the 'body of light'. i dont expect to see someone

that 'emits light' or someone with bulbs attached to his body when

we say body of light. and i am sure swami lalit knows that too

and not to forget the base of all this , the vedas. remmbr that they

are cnsdered as "Divine vibrations" itself !!! they were not even

written down anywhere for a long amount of tme in history coz they

were 'sound' and they believed that they need to listen to it and

learn. vedas were "anAdi" too , ie without a begining or when that

knowledge without a beginning or end camedown they came as what, as

vibrations . even now to this day that tradition is there, of learning

the vedic mantras 'sasvara' ie with the prescribd way of chanting , by

listening to them! if mantras are regarded to be just tools and mere

sound, what will happen to the whole vedic mantras that form the base

of everything afterthat.

 

luv :-X

adwaith

 

, "litsol" <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear DB,

>

> From the centuries on,we have been declaring favorable things as

> divine and unfavorable as not divine, when we will accept as god is

> in everything, so every particle is equally divine.

>

> Pls. dont get confused with explainations in fine language, i wish to

> meet Swami Amrita some day to see this body of light, even if someone

> got a body of light, so what, does he get the God ?

>

> We have to fix what is our target, Maa, her bhakti, sadhana or the

> glamor that comes with sadhna or bhakti and sometimes it deviates us

> from the goal. I dont say such a glamor is bad, if it doesnt deviate

> us it's good coz having it with u, u can do sth for the world, no

> doubt.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Adwaith:

 

On 3/6/06, Adwaith Menon <menonar wrote:

>

> shR^iNu devi pravakshyAmi bIjAnA.n devarUpatAm.

> mantraoccAraNamAtreNa devarUpa.n prajAyate..

 

 

May I ask which Mantra this is?

 

--

-Santo

"Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih."

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

OM SrIguruH sarva kAraNa BUtA SaktiH.

OM SrIman mahA gaNAdhipatayE namaH

 

I wish, I can realize the depth of the knowledge that you presented in

the post.

Thanks a lot in sharing your insight.

Though your post is skewed from my angle.

MantrAs got a single purpose - to realize the self.

 

They all in the single and only path to realize self.

 

To go back to to yourself, drawing all your senses back in,

You should have 'conquered' everything that you look outside.

That is why SrIguru, Lord Siva gave 64 tantras with 7 crores of mantrAs to

understand, each and every aspect of of universe that is percievable

to HIM.

 

Yet he could not get himself realized.

 

Then the universe gave 'prEraNA' impulse for him to look all as his

expading self.

"svatantraM tE tantraM".

 

tanyatE(vistAryatE), expAnding 'sva' - svatantraM - should be your

tantraM.

 

This is the final step in that pAth.

 

Thus self realization dawns on Siva.

jIva finds himself to be Siva, period.

 

chapter close. The End.

(taken essence from 'catuShShTyA tantraiH' - SlOkaM of saundarya lahari)

 

This is what single goal of all mantrAs, according to my understanding.

 

OM aiM hrIM SrIM SrImAtrE namOnnamaH SrIM.

prasAda.

, "Adwaith Menon" <menonar

wrote:

>

> No doubt that everything is divine.its all Her! but mantras have it

> own purpose , and not that they are the only way either.

> mananaM vishvavijnjAnaM trANaM saMsArabandanAt

> yataH karoti saMsiddho mantra ityucyate tat.. - [pinagala - mata]

[Guest guest]

it is from chapter V of brihadgandharvatantra, conversation between

siva and parvati.

 

, "Santo Sengupta"

<s.santo.sengupta wrote:

>

> Namaste Adwaith:

>

> On 3/6/06, Adwaith Menon <menonar wrote:

> >

> > shR^iNu devi pravakshyAmi bIjAnA.n devarUpatAm.

> > mantraoccAraNamAtreNa devarUpa.n prajAyate..

>

>

> May I ask which Mantra this is?

>

> --

> -Santo

> "Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih."

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, "litsol" <litsol wrote:

>

>

> I wonder,why no one puts and shares his experience, only refers to

> other's theory or statement.

 

It is my experience that sharing my own spiritual experiences openly

has been bad for my own progress and my state of mind and that of

others. There are only very rare occasions where it has proven

profitable. I belive that this is true for most of us, we all profit

immensely from keeping our sadhana and its results secret.

>

> I m sorry, how come u can say light is divine or there is divine

> light ? God is very much present in dark also, dark is equally

>divine.

 

If you call this body jyotirmaya deha, cinmaya deha, vajra deha,

siddha deha,nirmana kaya doesn´t matter. It is compared with the

nature of light or rainbow because light is translucent, has several

colors, is the fastest moving physical wavelength, and it is by

transforming dense matter into a state that is, unlike matter not

composed of particles and not precisely localized, (light sound) that

this body is created.

If dark and light are equally divine or not has no impact on this

sadhana.

>

> If any of u sharre ur realization w'd be immense help to members of

> this group, otherwise what we can do with the myths.

 

What can we do with experiences? compare them and then make a vote

who is the most accomplished and therefore is right?

>

> I clearly said mantra is one of the best tool and to use this tool,

> definitely we need a body, no differences in it.

 

I and Sri Amritanandanatha write about an actual transformation or

(on a lesser stage of the practice) shift of awareness from gross

physical matter into the realm of light/sound. Mantra in this case is

not only a tool it is the aim at the same time. By using patterned

physical sounds awareness shifts to non-physical sound this non

physical sound is eternal, it is the deities sound body, Pranava or

shakti bija.

>

> there is as such no body made of light, i w'd request, u to put an

> example in ur support for our knowledge.

 

In your last post you agreed with sri Amritanandanatha about mantra

and its effect of transformation and the Light body and now you say

there is no such body, this confuses me.

 

But yes you are right there occurs no such body naturally, only by

sadhana, otherwise if all would have that body there would be no

rebirth necessary.

>

> There are astral(suksccham) bodies, if u want to refer to this,

it's ok with me.

 

No these are not the light body, astral bodies perish after your

physical body dies only a little later,while the siddha deha (light

body) is immortal, and cannot be destroyed and does not disperse.

Only becoming aware that such a possibility exists at all alone is a

great blessing.

 

Mahahradanatha

> , "mahahradanatha"

> <mahahradanatha@> wrote:

> >

> > , "litsol" <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear DB,

> > >

> > > Yes, Swami Amrita is right, mantras do it, it's inherently

added

> to

> > > mantras, but it's a by product like thing, it's not main

> objective,

> >

> > I differ from this opinion, to achieve this mantra deha is the

> ultimate

> > accomplishment, hard to reach even for the gods, a Yogi possesing

> such

> > a body of light is liberated and immortal while being alive, he

is

> one

> > with Pranava. There exists no other Aim in Yoga higher than to

give

> > birth to the ultimate Light body which is Nada.

> > Mahahradanatha

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I fully agree that EVERYTHING is divine. There is no difference. All and

everything is divine. Something is called dark when the powers are misused. As

long as one is not using something to hurt or cause inconvenience another it is

called light. It is called dark when the same powers are misused to hurt or

inconvinience someone.

We humans have been given the freedom to use anything anyway. It is for us to

use it for the good or for the evil. If we look at tantras we will see good and

evil uses equally dealt with. You use it wrongly to the detiment of our

spiritual progress.

 

litsol <litsol wrote:

Dear DB,

>From the centuries on,we have been declaring favorable things as

divine and unfavorable as not divine, when we will accept as god is

in everything, so every particle is equally divine.

 

Pls. dont get confused with explainations in fine language, i wish to

meet Swami Amrita some day to see this body of light, even if someone

got a body of light, so what, does he get the God ?

 

We have to fix what is our target, Maa, her bhakti, sadhana or the

glamor that comes with sadhna or bhakti and sometimes it deviates us

from the goal. I dont say such a glamor is bad, if it doesnt deviate

us it's good coz having it with u, u can do sth for the world, no

doubt.

 

regards,

Lalit.

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit:

>

> Thanks for this. There is certainly enough room for many different

> viewpoints in this vast subject matter.

>

> Speaking of such viewpoints, I was gratified to see this message

> from Guruji Sri Amritananda's mailing list -- just this morning, by

> chance!

>

> He said: "Mantras circulate divine vibrations and lights in all

> parts of your body, converting body made out of flesh into a body

of

> lights."

>

> More food for abundant thought and reflection ...

>

> aim mAtangyai namaH

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Youknow, it seems that Vikrant poted his question and moved on but his question

has led to this wonderful discussion. So we must thank him.

Thank You Vikrant.

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

 

 

 

, "litsol" <litsol wrote:

>

>

> I wonder,why no one puts and shares his experience, only refers to

> other's theory or statement.

 

It is my experience that sharing my own spiritual experiences openly

has been bad for my own progress and my state of mind and that of

others. There are only very rare occasions where it has proven

profitable. I belive that this is true for most of us, we all profit

immensely from keeping our sadhana and its results secret.

>

> I m sorry, how come u can say light is divine or there is divine

> light ? God is very much present in dark also, dark is equally

>divine.

 

If you call this body jyotirmaya deha, cinmaya deha, vajra deha,

siddha deha,nirmana kaya doesn´t matter. It is compared with the

nature of light or rainbow because light is translucent, has several

colors, is the fastest moving physical wavelength, and it is by

transforming dense matter into a state that is, unlike matter not

composed of particles and not precisely localized, (light sound) that

this body is created.

If dark and light are equally divine or not has no impact on this

sadhana.

>

> If any of u sharre ur realization w'd be immense help to members of

> this group, otherwise what we can do with the myths.

 

What can we do with experiences? compare them and then make a vote

who is the most accomplished and therefore is right?

>

> I clearly said mantra is one of the best tool and to use this tool,

> definitely we need a body, no differences in it.

 

I and Sri Amritanandanatha write about an actual transformation or

(on a lesser stage of the practice) shift of awareness from gross

physical matter into the realm of light/sound. Mantra in this case is

not only a tool it is the aim at the same time. By using patterned

physical sounds awareness shifts to non-physical sound this non

physical sound is eternal, it is the deities sound body, Pranava or

shakti bija.

>

> there is as such no body made of light, i w'd request, u to put an

> example in ur support for our knowledge.

 

In your last post you agreed with sri Amritanandanatha about mantra

and its effect of transformation and the Light body and now you say

there is no such body, this confuses me.

 

But yes you are right there occurs no such body naturally, only by

sadhana, otherwise if all would have that body there would be no

rebirth necessary.

>

> There are astral(suksccham) bodies, if u want to refer to this,

it's ok with me.

 

No these are not the light body, astral bodies perish after your

physical body dies only a little later,while the siddha deha (light

body) is immortal, and cannot be destroyed and does not disperse.

Only becoming aware that such a possibility exists at all alone is a

great blessing.

 

Mahahradanatha

> , "mahahradanatha"

> <mahahradanatha@> wrote:

> >

> > , "litsol" <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear DB,

> > >

> > > Yes, Swami Amrita is right, mantras do it, it's inherently

added

> to

> > > mantras, but it's a by product like thing, it's not main

> objective,

> >

> > I differ from this opinion, to achieve this mantra deha is the

> ultimate

> > accomplishment, hard to reach even for the gods, a Yogi possesing

> such

> > a body of light is liberated and immortal while being alive, he

is

> one

> > with Pranava. There exists no other Aim in Yoga higher than to

give

> > birth to the ultimate Light body which is Nada.

> > Mahahradanatha

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste to all,

 

Litsol wrote that: I m sorry, how come u can say light is divine or

there is divine light ? God is very much present in dark also, dark

is equally divine.

 

I have been reading Devi Mahatmya (in English, for lack of Sanskrit),

in which it has that Devi is intelligence, She is also error. She is

all.

 

The commentator of the version I am reading (Devadatta Kali)

interprets the scripture as embodying the conflict and conquest of

the body and senses (my interpretation of D.K.). Does this infer

that goddess Devi of the scripture is really ourselves? I feel this

is so, and that She in fact is us here and now anyway, but would like

to have feedback from the group. This, anyway, is what this myth has

come to mean, and how I experience it.

 

Thank you, Richard

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz

wrote:

>

> Youknow, it seems that Vikrant poted his question and moved on but

his question has led to this wonderful discussion. So we must thank

him.

> Thank You Vikrant.

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

I tried to find answers for the points raised by u,have summarised

them in a single mail, I can say it's a very beneficial discussion.

i m thankfull to u all, will request u to.

not to address me with words like "sawmi lalit" even if u want to

comment on me.

 

I like to have fun, but pls find some other ways. i m 33 yrs old, a

software engineer by profession.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

----

--------------------------

(Advaitha )

U - No doubt that everything is divine.its all Her! but mantras have

it

own purpose , and not that they are the only way either.

mananaM vishvavijnjAnaM trANaM saMsArabandanAt

yataH karoti saMsiddho mantra ityucyate tat.. - [pinagala - mata]

 

 

I - I m happy that in principle we all

accept everything is divine and not light only.thanx for quoting

this shloka.

 

U - mananAt trANanAcchaiva madrUpasyAvabodhanAt.

mantra ityucyate samya~N madadhishhTAnataH priye.. - [rudrayAmala]

 

mananAt tatvarUpasya devasyAmitatejasaH.

trAyate sarvabhayataH tasmAnmatra itIritaH [ kulArnava]

 

mantra is a mantra coz it helpz in the mentation (mananam0 or

intuitive understanding of the real nature of phenomenal presence or

divine presence or the 'form' of the diety and protection from the

bonds of phenomenal existence and from all fears

 

I - who can doubt this, u r right, this thing is misunderstood as

awakening of mantra, in fact, u only realize threfore, that's why u

awaken, mantra remained same,helping u to awaken.

 

U - yathA kAshhTagato vahniH vyajyate mathanAdibhiH

tathA mantraprabhAveNa bhaktyAbhivyajyate shivaH..

 

"even as the fire hidden in the fuel is brought out by friction, even

so by the power of the mantra devotion to the diety will help the

manifestation of godhead."

 

I - right, by the power of devotion with chanting mantra u realize

the manifestation.

so, again, devotion or the should must be there.

 

U - mantrArthadevatAcintanaM parameshvari.

 

vAcyavAcakabhAvenAbhedo mantradvatayoH .. -[rudrayAmala]

and the seed syllables are said to be divine and potent, and they make

for the efiicacy of a mantra.Merely by reciting them, the presence of

the diety is secured.

 

I - Here i differ, wishful mantra chanting brings diety to u, like

playing a mantra on CD or Tape doesnt do anything to u unless u do

chnating urself, even this may work too if u get triggered

Now, u can understand what i mean.

 

U - shR^iNu devi pravakshyAmi bIjAnA.n devarUpatAm.

mantraoccAraNamAtreNa devarUpa.n prajAyate..

 

and the way parasurama has put it - mantrANAmacintyashktitA

 

i blve if sme1 wants to see a body of light they dont need to go

anywhere or meet anyone , they can see it being right there where

they are, provided they have true love and Her grace. but 'mantras'

itself are no longer part of upasana but something like 'lab material'

tht people use to do "experiments??" !!!

 

I - yes, experiement is the term that i used to dissipiate

misconcepts abt mantras, in fact i did upasana only and found same

results from all mantras whether these are beej mantras or prayer

mantras like om namah shivay,

what transforms ur mind, heart and vision moves u on towards divine

realization is the best mantra for u, regardlessly, how much secret

it is and from what person u got it.

 

U - Indeed everything is divine, but how many have realised that.

maybe

its to reach that level that we have mantras. we say mantras are

nothing but the form of diety itself. and after doing japa or

evenmaybe doing nyasa of that mantra on our body, we slowly realise

that divinity spreading all over our body.

 

I- true, i have been saying same.

 

U - and when we look at our own

body, we will see the 'body of light'.

 

I - that is chaitnya mana or awakened mind. u r very close to me.

 

U - i dont expect to see someone

that 'emits light' or someone with bulbs attached to his body when

we say body of light. and i am sure swami lalit knows that too

and not to forget the base of all this

 

I - that's why i wished to meet swami amrita coz it's not truth,u r

also saying same.

 

U - the vedas. remmbr that they

are cnsdered as "Divine vibrations" itself !!! they were not even

written down anywhere for a long amount of tme in history coz they

were 'sound' and they believed that they need to listen to it and

learn. vedas were "anAdi" too , ie without a begining or when that

knowledge without a beginning or end camedown they came as what, as

vibrations .

 

I - it's true the knowledge is content in the nature, and it's

discovered, if this discovery is on, our knowledge is inriched as a

eternal process but what

indian did is we started chanting what our ancestor rishis

discovered, did a mastery in such chanting and forgot doing

discoveries, stopped exploring further as a result,

eternity of the vedas is blocked in this age. our focus shifted

from knowing more and discovering more and fixed on remembering

previous discoveries and that's why today

we are even unable to pronounce vedas shrutis. our upnishads are

disappeared, such a chanting can be said a part of documentation not

a part of keeping the the process on, i mean the way,

vedas are built, or the very nature they are "Vedas". It's very

time to open up our mind for new things and we should enhance our

knowledge or the vidya that is contained in Vedas.

 

U - even now to this day that tradition is there,

 

I- u urself underscore that the tradition is rare now, why ?

 

U- of learning the vedic mantras 'sasvara' ie with the prescribd way

of chanting, by

listening to them! if mantras are regarded to be just tools and mere

sound, what will happen to the whole vedic mantras that form the base

of everything afterthat.

 

Becoz we didnt forward the vedic procees of learning and discontinued

building our knowledgebase, the vedic system became obsolete, what we

see today is remnants of vedic system.

 

 

 

luv :-X

adwaith

 

----

---

(Mahahradanatha)

Sometimes personal experiences is questionable too u know. People who

claim to have their kundalini' risen etc. Is it an illusion or real? U

see a lot of people using the net to self advertise themselves,

braging about their experiences. Its feeding their ego. This need to

be acknowledge that they have accomplish something.

 

So one have to be careful when trying to share experiences esp on

spiritual matters. And the net is the best place to promote oneself.

 

Yes, u r right, we should be careful but why we look at someone with

heroic approach, if some one says it hapened to him,

we should take it as a example of god's grace, and we do efforts to

realize same instead of rushing to such a person to find his

favor or recommendation to the God. our focus should not shift from

the God to the person, this is the mistake islamic militants are

doing, they think their God and religion is endangered due to

someone's statement? how come, God doesnt need one's favor and

protection.

 

 

 

 

 

 

----

-

 

(Nina and all others)

 

It is my experience that sharing my own spiritual experiences openly

has been bad for my own progress and my state of mind and that of

others. There are only very rare occasions where it has proven

profitable. I belive that this is true for most of us, we all profit

immensely from keeping our sadhana and its results secret.

 

I - If divine protects us, there should not be such fear, fear or

insecurity is the thing we try to win thru sadhana, fear is the state

of mind and it's very natural.

i also fear at times and look at the god for it's protection. but

if u take this risk, there are in built advantages also.

 

 

 

U - If you call this body jyotirmaya deha, cinmaya deha, vajra deha,

siddha deha,nirmana kaya doesn´t matter.

 

I - Here such adjective refers to the being who is jyotirmaya in the

deha coz he has jyotirmaya or cinmaya mind.

 

>

I - If any of u sharre ur realization w'd be immense help to members

of this group, otherwise what we can do with the myths.

 

U - What can we do with experiences? compare them and then make a vote

who is the most accomplished and therefore is right?

 

I - no, i asked to share experience to analayze the point of

discussion and not for the comparision, comparision things are not

there in sprituality.I clearly said mantra is one of the best tool

and to use this tool,definitely we need a body, no differences in it.

 

U - I and Sri Amritanandanatha write about an actual transformation

or(on a lesser stage of the practice) shift of awareness from gross

physical matter into the realm of light/sound. Mantra in this case is

not only a tool it is the aim at the same time. By using patterned

physical sounds awareness shifts to non-physical sound this non

physical sound is eternal, it is the deities sound body, Pranava or

shakti bija.

 

I- I have said that after sometimes when u chant mantra, the chanting

in physical sense is stopped. the mantra becomes like it is self

echoing, and No Sound is eternal, Sound is not the God like Light is

not the God, yet, beautiful creation of the God. Swami

Amritanandanatha needs to be questined why he is saying such things,

may be becoz, he is trying to understand this.if u r close to him, u

will see, after few years he wont say same set of sentances, we will

receive more refined approach.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

----

---------------

 

Shankara

-------------------------

> there is as such no body made of light, i w'd request, u to put an

> example in ur support for our knowledge.

 

In your last post you agreed with sri Amritanandanatha about mantra

and its effect of transformation and the Light body and now you say

there is no such body, this confuses me.

 

I - I m still agreed to first part the sentence what sawmiji has said

but for the Light.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

> , "mahahradanatha"

> <mahahradanatha@> wrote:

> >

> > , "litsol" <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear DB,

> > >

> > > Yes, Swami Amrita is right, mantras do it, it's inherently

added

> to

> > > mantras, but it's a by product like thing, it's not main

> objective,

> >

> > I differ from this opinion, to achieve this mantra deha is the

> ultimate

> > accomplishment, hard to reach even for the gods, a Yogi possesing

> such

> > a body of light is liberated and immortal while being alive, he

is

> one

> > with Pranava. There exists no other Aim in Yoga higher than to

give

> > birth to the ultimate Light body which is Nada.

> > Mahahradanatha

 

 

Greetings, all,

 

I think that it is difficult to describe spiritual experiences in

words, that is why the translations offered here are so helpful.

(Thanks, y'all, for this forum.)

 

With respect to posting personal experiences ... well, I suppose I'm

one of them who claim to have "kundalini risen". I tried to stop it

for a long time, actually, so I'm coming sort of from sort of a

different place. To me, it's a matter of not restricting the Flow,

rather than trying to make something happen by doing something. To

me, it's hard to just surrender to it, I guess that's my "making it

happen".

 

It is questionable even for a practioner (me, for example) to know

what is 'real' and what is a twist of 'mind', though I have been

fortunate to commune with others and receive some sort of

verification of the strange and wonderful (and terrible) things I've

experienced. It's sort of a quantum thing, I think. In attempting

to define it, it is made mundane. SHE is beyond description.

 

I suppose it is ego, which seeks validation of the unknowable ...

the rational mind wants to sort and order and create conditional

constructs which pertain ... and maybe that is why I post here.

However, perhaps in sharing I can help someone else who is reading

and say "yeah, it's like *that*" .. well, that is my aim ... to

share practical experience where appropriate. (Note, though, I'm

obviously not so good as to appropriate, so please forgive.) Stuff

I've done feels like what's described in what is written .. there,

I've said it.

 

So, I try to speak my piece more directly ... and still try not to

offend

 

I certainly do not consider myself enlightened! I meditate a couple

hours a day and am a hard working girl. From doing a lot of stuff

for a lot of years, I have a good experience set

 

I respect all aspects of the Godz ... they are awesome, to me.

 

 

Love,

Nina

 

 

 

 

, "Adwaith Menon" <menonar

wrote:

>

> No doubt that everything is divine.its all Her! but mantras have it

> own purpose , and not that they are the only way either.

> mananaM vishvavijnjAnaM trANaM saMsArabandanAt

> yataH karoti saMsiddho mantra ityucyate tat.. - [pinagala - mata]

>

> mananAt trANanAcchaiva madrUpasyAvabodhanAt.

> mantra ityucyate samya~N madadhishhTAnataH priye.. - [rudrayAmala]

>

> mananAt tatvarUpasya devasyAmitatejasaH.

> trAyate sarvabhayataH tasmAnmatra itIritaH [ kulArnava]

>

> mantra is a mantra coz it helpz in the mentation (mananam0 or

> intuitive understanding of the real nature of phenomenal presence or

> divine presence or the 'form' of the diety and protection from the

> bonds of phenomenal existence and from all fears

> yathA kAshhTagato vahniH vyajyate mathanAdibhiH

> tathA mantraprabhAveNa bhaktyAbhivyajyate shivaH..

> "even as the fire hidden in the fuel is brought out by friction,

even

> so by the power of the mantra devotion to the diety will help the

> manifestation of godhead."

>

> mantrArthadevatAcintanaM parameshvari.

> vAcyavAcakabhAvenAbhedo mantradvatayoH .. -[rudrayAmala]

> and the seed syllables are said to be divine and potent, and they

make

> for the efiicacy of a mantra.Merely by reciting them, the presence

of

> the diety is secured.

> shR^iNu devi pravakshyAmi bIjAnA.n devarUpatAm.

> mantraoccAraNamAtreNa devarUpa.n prajAyate..

>

> and the way parasurama has put it - mantrANAmacintyashktitA

>

> i blve if sme1 wants to see a body of light they dont need to go

> anywhere or meet anyone , they can see it being right there where

> they are, provided they have true love and Her grace. but 'mantras'

> itself are no longer part of upasana but something like 'lab

material'

> tht people use to do "experiments??" !!!

> Indeed everything is divine, but how many have realised that. maybe

> its to reach that level that we have mantras. we say mantras are

> nothing but the form of diety itself. and after doing japa or

> evenmaybe doing nyasa of that mantra on our body, we slowly realise

> that divinity spreading all over our body. and when we look at our

own

> body, we will see the 'body of light'. i dont expect to see someone

> that 'emits light' or someone with bulbs attached to his body

when

> we say body of light. and i am sure swami lalit knows that too

> and not to forget the base of all this , the vedas. remmbr that they

> are cnsdered as "Divine vibrations" itself !!! they were not even

> written down anywhere for a long amount of tme in history coz they

> were 'sound' and they believed that they need to listen to it and

> learn. vedas were "anAdi" too , ie without a begining or when that

> knowledge without a beginning or end camedown they came as what, as

> vibrations . even now to this day that tradition is there, of

learning

> the vedic mantras 'sasvara' ie with the prescribd way of chanting ,

by

> listening to them! if mantras are regarded to be just tools and mere

> sound, what will happen to the whole vedic mantras that form the

base

> of everything afterthat.

>

> luv :-X

> adwaith

>

> , "litsol" <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear DB,

> >

> > From the centuries on,we have been declaring favorable things as

> > divine and unfavorable as not divine, when we will accept as god

is

> > in everything, so every particle is equally divine.

> >

> > Pls. dont get confused with explainations in fine language, i

wish to

> > meet Swami Amrita some day to see this body of light, even if

someone

> > got a body of light, so what, does he get the God ?

> >

> > We have to fix what is our target, Maa, her bhakti, sadhana or

the

> > glamor that comes with sadhna or bhakti and sometimes it deviates

us

> > from the goal. I dont say such a glamor is bad, if it doesnt

deviate

> > us it's good coz having it with u, u can do sth for the world, no

> > doubt.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

>

[Guest guest]

, "litsol" <litsol wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> I tried to find answers for the points raised by u,have summarised

> them in a single mail, I can say it's a very beneficial

discussion.

> i m thankfull to u all, will request u to.

> not to address me with words like "sawmi lalit" even if u want to

> comment on me.

>

> I like to have fun, but pls find some other ways. i m 33 yrs old,

a

> software engineer by profession.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

 

 

yes! indeed. And the correct way to address our favourite shakta

guru is Shri Amritananda Natha Saraswati and not Swami Amrita. It

gives me goose pimples when you does that.

[Guest guest]

, "ksnwcz" <ksnwcz wrote:

>

> Namaste to all,

>

> Litsol wrote that: I m sorry, how come u can say light is divine

or

> there is divine light ? God is very much present in dark also,

dark

> is equally divine.

>

> I have been reading Devi Mahatmya (in English, for lack of

Sanskrit),

> in which it has that Devi is intelligence, She is also error. She

is

> all.

>

> The commentator of the version I am reading (Devadatta Kali)

> interprets the scripture as embodying the conflict and conquest of

> the body and senses (my interpretation of D.K.). Does this infer

> that goddess Devi of the scripture is really ourselves? I feel

this

> is so, and that She in fact is us here and now anyway, but would

like

> to have feedback from the group. This, anyway, is what this myth

has

> come to mean, and how I experience it.

>

> Thank you, Richard

 

 

 

Many be you like to read this discussion :

 

Devi Mahatmyam: The constant bloody battling

http://www.shaktisadhana.org/Resource/Messageboard/Bloodybattle.html

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nora:

 

Yeah, I found the "Swami Amrita" thing was almost as disarming as

when one of our dearly departed members discovered a Creepy Yogi

skulking around the darkened back hallways of SS. *lol*

 

Seriously, Guruji Amrita is a holy, realized soul and a great

teacher indeed; but he is not a swami, which is defined in Satguru

Subramuniyaswami's Hindu Lexicon as:

 

swami: (Sanskrit) "Lord; owner." He who knows or is master of

himself. A respectful title for a Hindu monk, usually a sannyasin,

an initiated, orange-robed renunciate, dedicated wholly to religious

life.

 

In fairness, it is to be noted that -- as a sign of respect -- the

term swami is sometimes applied more broadly to include nonmonastics

dedicated to spiritual work. But I for one have never heard Guruji

Amrita referred to in that way.

 

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/dws/lexicon/s.html

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy

wrote:

>

> yes! indeed. And the correct way to address our favourite shakta

> guru is Shri Amritananda Natha Saraswati and not Swami Amrita. It

> gives me goose pimples when you does that.

>

> , "litsol" <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I tried to find answers for the points raised by u,have

summarised

> > them in a single mail, I can say it's a very beneficial

> discussion.

> > i m thankfull to u all, will request u to.

> > not to address me with words like "sawmi lalit" even if u want

to

> > comment on me.

> >

> > I like to have fun, but pls find some other ways. i m 33 yrs

old,

> a

> > software engineer by profession.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear NMadasamy, namaste! Thank you for the tip. I have been reading

as much as possible of the message boards and archives, and had not

arrived at the one you suggested. It is really to the point. Thx

again, Richard

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy

wrote:

>

> , "ksnwcz" <ksnwcz@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste to all,

> >

> > Litsol wrote that: I m sorry, how come u can say light is divine

> or

> > there is divine light ? God is very much present in dark also,

> dark

> > is equally divine.

> >

> > I have been reading Devi Mahatmya (in English, for lack of

> Sanskrit),

> > in which it has that Devi is intelligence, She is also error.

She

> is

> > all.

> >

> > The commentator of the version I am reading (Devadatta Kali)

> > interprets the scripture as embodying the conflict and conquest

of

> > the body and senses (my interpretation of D.K.). Does this infer

> > that goddess Devi of the scripture is really ourselves? I feel

> this

> > is so, and that She in fact is us here and now anyway, but would

> like

> > to have feedback from the group. This, anyway, is what this myth

> has

> > come to mean, and how I experience it.

> >

> > Thank you, Richard

>

>

>

> Many be you like to read this discussion :

>

> Devi Mahatmyam: The constant bloody battling

> http://www.shaktisadhana.org/Resource/Messageboard/Bloodybattle.html

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the frequent typos, coz i was too busy, have written in

splits.

 

Lalit Mishra.