An Article..==> an important addendum

January 1, 2006

I sent a reply to Hindustan times too

here it is.

Just for fun. The evangelist fellow will, of course, ignore it.

"I was flabbergated to read the article. I suspect that it was penned by an

evangelist or by someone who was suitably "motivated" by an evangelist.

It is basically Christian goebbelsian propaganda. First say things to catch

the attention of the target group then insert the misinformation. Classic case.

The misinformation inserted is "In contrast to the Russian Orthodox Church's

stance, Hindus respect Jesus Christ, who is predicted in the Vedas, the ancient

Hindu scriptures, as a specifically empowered personality."

This is lot of hogwash to say the least. Being conversant with the evangelical

propaganda, and the basic texts referred to this is just goebbelsian trick.

Is the author a Caucasian or a Christian please??

I am sure you will not publish this."

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

Dear all:

Eve the aricle referenced by Felicia is part of the christian

evangelistmovement to "save" India. wrote whats below even fefore I read the

ari\tilcle. But I now notice that it is by an unnamed author, from the "UK

Beureau".

What gives awa the ethenicity and intent and purport of the article is the

paragraph

"In contrast to the Russian Orthodox Church's stance, Hindus respect Jesus

Christ, who is predicted in the Vedas, the ancient Hindu scriptures, as a

specifically empowered personality."

The first few paragraphs will get the attentio of the hindus then the

Gobbelsian westernn trick by adding the above quoted paragraph. Thisis untrue

and a lot of hogwash thats being propagated by the evangelists to reduce

resistence to conversion!!

Actually this illustrated what i said in the original reply. Plantng a false

idea and then letting it grow.

You expect us to believe such artiles?? It is obviosly penned at the instance

of evangelists by an evangelist ot a paid off scribe.

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

Felicia said "I note two facts - these articles are not being carried by

mainstream British or US news wires. So, where is the corroboration of these

allegations?" ---

So?? A news report in Hindustan Times is acceptable only when it is

corroborated by '"mainstream" British and American papers'?? Are they the

ultimate arbiters of what is true and what is not?

As far as I know the British and American "mainstream" press are backers of

all sorts of western propaganda to further western interests. They mix truth and

fiction as they deem necessary. In order to shore up the credibility, they

sometimes they criticize the west and bring verifiable stories also. That’s all

part of the propaganda apparatchik.

I have found this slanted racist attitude everywhere from London Times BBC and

whatnot. Look at CNN and its "embedded" reporters like amanpour and others -

pure propagandists who have been built up by CNN to pass on US propaganda in

Iraq. I will not believe one word of what they say. I would rather see the

scenes and draw my own conclusions - however censored the scenes are. Thats your

idea of "free press"?

I make it clear that Indian Press is far more free than the so called “western

free press” which is but an arm of western interests.

Felicia <hygeiea44 wrote:

, shankaree ramatas

<shankaree> wrote:

> Pranam. An article from another group... Ur comments, pls.

Shankaree,

Check out this article:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/2005/Dec/06/5983_1566453,00430005.htm

I note two facts - these articles are not being carried by mainstream British or

US news wires. So, where is the corroboration of these allegations?

The article in Hindustan times names the particular archbishop ofRussian

Orthodox church who is referring to Lord Krishna as Satan.

Love,

Felicia

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Dear Mr Menon

You have my full support. This is exactly what is happening. The

American and British Public is completly zombified and paralyzed by a vile

propaganda machine where even the criticism is deliberatly faked to perfect the

mind control.

There was some minor resistance against this zombification in

Continental Europe but this has been completly eradicated in the last few years.

The media are constantly flooding the masses with misinformation, 24

hours, nonstop, upholding and implanting the idea of the moral

superiority of the western so-called democratic "civilisation" and

the western way of life over the rest of the uncivilised world.

Political Parties only serve to establish the Illusion of democracy,

actual politics do not change after an election of a different

political Party.

This reminds me of a joke : One western Lady was once asking a

chinese Communist: Do you chinese folk also have real elections like we have

in the west? He answered: Yes Madam of coulse we have evely molning.

----->

> So?? A news report in Hindustan Times is acceptable only when it

is corroborated by '"mainstream" British and American papers'?? Are

they the ultimate arbiters of what is true and what is not?

>

> As far as I know the British and American "mainstream" press are

backers of all sorts of western propaganda to further western

interests. They mix truth and fiction as they deem necessary. In

order to shore up the credibility, they sometimes they criticize the

west and bring verifiable stories also. That's all part of the

propaganda apparatchik.

>

> I have found this slanted racist attitude everywhere from London

Times BBC and whatnot. Look at CNN and its "embedded" reporters like

amanpour and others - pure propagandists who have been built up by

CNN to pass on US propaganda in Iraq. I will not believe one word of

what they say.

Dear Mr Menon

You have my full support. This is exactly what is happening. The

American and British Public is completly zombified and paralyzed by a

vile propaganda machine where even the criticism is deliberatly faked

to perfect the mind control.

There was some minor resistance against this zombification in

Continental Europe but this has been completly eradicated in the last

few years.

The media are constantly flooding the masses with misinformation 24

hours nonstop upholding and implanting the idea of the moral

superiority of the western so called democratic "civilisation" and

the western way of life over the rest of the uncivilised world.

Political Parties only serve to establish the Illusion of democracy,

actual politics do not change after an election of a different

political Party.

This reminds me of a joke : One western Lady was once asking a

chinese Communist: Do you chinese folk also have real elections like

we have in the west? He answered: Yes Madam of coulse we have evely

molning.

January 1, 2006

Sankara,

I think we have a misunderstanding. I don't mean to insinuate that

the original article you posted was false, merely that the news wires

are remiss. Here, in the US, we have the same ugly phenomenon: A

news item is carried by Salon.com or by NPR or by Canadian News. But,

CNN and MSNBC never mention it. Hence, my heavy reliance on Salon.com

and the blogosphere for real news.

More comments below:

> It is basically Christian goebbelsian propaganda.

> First say things to catch the attention of the target group

> then insert the misinformation. Classic case. The misinformation

> inserted is

> "In contrast to the Russian Orthodox Church's stance,

> Hindus respect Jesus Christ, who is predicted in the Vedas,

> the ancient Hindu scriptures, as a specifically empowered

> personality."

This may not be intentional misinformation on the part of Evangelists.

Yogananda's Self Realization Fellowship attracts a fair number of

Christians who really do believe, because Yogananda taught his

followers to respect the prophets of all religions including Christ,

that Hindus *do* respect Yeshuah ben Josef and that the Vedas

predicted him, etc. Also, the Theosophists have done a good job of

spreading this propoganda, as well. It's a classic tactic to gain

followers. ;-)

That's not to say Evangelists don't resort to Goebbelsian propoganda. ;-)

Love,

Felicia

January 1, 2006

I am sure the poor fellow must be tuning in his grave because of all the

misinformation and false statements about and allegedly by him.

**This may not be intentional misinformation on the part of Evangelists.**

ohhhhhhhh ever seen an honest evangelist?

There was this stanes fellow from Australia, he created so much discord

someone threw petrol on his vehicle and burnt him. In the process two of his

children were also klled. Even with the alleged husband dead the widow was more

interested in prolystation than the death of alleged husband and children. Do

not forget that the propaandists in the evanelism field are especially trained

in the black art o propaganda. The YSS and Theo people who spread all these

stories are also caucasian now with a sprinkin of Indians to grant authenticity.

I know this because I know that YSS reserves monkhood mostly to westerners

while giving sanyas to a few Indians for appearence's sake and those who are

given sanyas, however senior wll never have any say in the organisation. So they

are not interpreting vedas.

Can any one show me the alleged quote from Vedas referring to Jesus?? Lets

assume for amoment thats true, then all christians should become hindus because

hindsm isreate to have predcted this so accuraly. Why create another religion??

Felicia <hygeiea44 wrote:

Sankara,

I think we have a misunderstanding. I don't mean to insinuate that the original

article you posted was false, merely that the news wires are remiss. Here, in

the US, we have the same ugly phenomenon: A news item is carried by Salon.com

or by NPR or by Canadian News. But, CNN and MSNBC never mention it. Hence, my

heavy reliance on Salon.com and the blogosphere for real news.

More comments below:

> It is basically Christian goebbelsian propaganda.

> First say things to catch the attention of the target group then insert the

misinformation. Classic case. The misinformation inserted is

> "In contrast to the Russian Orthodox Church's stance, > Hindus respect Jesus

Christ, who is predicted in the Vedas, the ancient Hindu scriptures, as a

specifically empowered personality."

This may not be intentional misinformation on the part of Evangelists.

Yogananda's Self Realization Fellowship attracts a fair number of Christians who

really do believe, because Yogananda taught his followers to respect the

prophets of all religions including Christ,

that Hindus *do* respect Yeshuah ben Josef and that the Vedas predicted him,

etc. Also, the Theosophists have done a good job of spreading this propoganda,

as well. It's a classic tactic to gain followers. ;-)

That's not to say Evangelists don't resort to Goebbelsian propoganda. ;-)

Love,

Felicia

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Hello Sankara,

You mention an incident where someone set fire to the vehicle of a

Christian evangelist called Stanes, an Australian, killing not only

the man himself but two of his children as well.

You seem to be saying that those who set the fire are not to be

blamed, rather the evangelist is to be blamed because he "created so

much discord".

Is this really what you are saying, or have I misunderstood?

And what exactly do you mean by "alleged husband"? Do you suspect

that these two people were not lawfully married? If so, I wonder

what evidence, if any, you have for such suspicion?

Om Shantih

Colin

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> I am sure the poor fellow must be tuning in his grave because of

all the misinformation and false statements about and allegedly by

him.

>

> **This may not be intentional misinformation on the part of

Evangelists.** ohhhhhhhh ever seen an honest evangelist?

>

> There was this stanes fellow from Australia, he created so much

discord someone threw petrol on his vehicle and burnt him. In the

process two of his children were also klled. Even with the alleged

husband dead the widow was more interested in prolystation than the

death of alleged husband and children. Do not forget that the

propaandists in the evanelism field are especially trained in the

black art o propaganda. The YSS and Theo people who spread all

these stories are also caucasian now with a sprinkin of Indians to

grant authenticity.

> I know this because I know that YSS reserves monkhood mostly to

westerners while giving sanyas to a few Indians for appearence's

sake and those who are given sanyas, however senior wll never have

any say in the organisation. So they are not interpreting vedas.

>

> Can any one show me the alleged quote from Vedas referring to

Jesus?? Lets assume for amoment thats true, then all christians

should become hindus because hindsm isreate to have predcted this so

accuraly. Why create another religion??

>

> Felicia <hygeiea44@l...> wrote:

> Sankara,

>

> I think we have a misunderstanding. I don't mean to insinuate

that the original article you posted was false, merely that the news

wires are remiss. Here, in the US, we have the same ugly

phenomenon: A news item is carried by Salon.com or by NPR or by

Canadian News. But, CNN and MSNBC never mention it. Hence, my

heavy reliance on Salon.com and the blogosphere for real news.

>

> More comments below:

>

> > It is basically Christian goebbelsian propaganda.

> > First say things to catch the attention of the target group then

insert the misinformation. Classic case. The misinformation inserted

is

>

> > "In contrast to the Russian Orthodox Church's stance, > Hindus

respect Jesus Christ, who is predicted in the Vedas, the ancient

Hindu scriptures, as a specifically empowered personality."

>

> This may not be intentional misinformation on the part of

Evangelists. Yogananda's Self Realization Fellowship attracts a fair

number of Christians who really do believe, because Yogananda taught

his followers to respect the prophets of all religions including

Christ,

> that Hindus *do* respect Yeshuah ben Josef and that the Vedas

predicted him, etc. Also, the Theosophists have done a good job of

spreading this propoganda, as well. It's a classic tactic to gain

followers. ;-)

>

> That's not to say Evangelists don't resort to Goebbelsian

propoganda. ;-)

>

> Love,

> Felicia

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January 2, 2006

, sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote:

> Can any one show me the alleged quote from Vedas referring to Jesus?? Lets

assume for

amoment thats true, then all christians should become hindus because hindsm

isreate to

have predcted this so accuraly. Why create another religion??

In Vedas there is no reference even to Krishna or Rama, not to say of Jesus or

Muhammad

LOL.

Maybe what was meant is the known reference to Bhavishya-purana, where some

"Isha

Natha" is mentioned. That passage is a recent interpolation, made on behalf of

christian

missionaries. It's a fake stuff

January 2, 2006

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> I am sure the poor fellow must be tuning in his grave because of all

the misinformation and false statements about and allegedly by him.

You mean they buried him rather than cremate? Boy, he was more of a

heretic than I thought! ;-)

> **This may not be intentional misinformation on the part of

Evangelists.** ohhhhhhhh ever seen an honest evangelist?

Which organized religion does not propogate lies and a slave mentality

among adherants who bow to the morals and dogma for food and care in

this life and a promise of a heavenly place in the alleged afterlife

rather than develop their own ethical framework and live creatively,

here and now?

> There was this stanes fellow from Australia, he created

> so much discord someone threw petrol on his vehicle and

> burnt him. In the process two of his children were also klled.

> Even with the alleged husband dead the widow was more

> interested in prolystation than the death of alleged husband

> and children.

Graham Stewart Stains

For those interested, I found a news article here:

http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/jan/23oris.htm

Is violence justified against those who proselytize an intolerant

religion and yet devote themselves to physical care of the most

down-trodden of the outcaste/untouchables who are not cared for by

their own aparteided society?

That's not to say that I advocate what passes for Christianity in this

yuga of Kali. One has only educate oneself to know that it is a heresy

and these people rely heavily on a misinterpretation and

mistranslations of the original Greek and Hebrew.

Be that as it may, as Colin wonders, so do I - why do you say "alleged

widow"?

My experience of evangelists in Mexico is that they are *always*

married couples devoted to spreading their religion and offering care

in exchange to the most down-trodden.

> Do not forget that the propaandists in the evanelism field are

> especially trained in the black art o propaganda.

Beg to differ:

Gray art - as it inevitably mixes a grain of truth with falsehoods. ;-)

> The YSS and Theo people who spread all these stories are

> also caucasian now with a sprinkin of Indians to

> grant authenticity.

> I know this because I know that YSS reserves monkhood mostly

> to westerners while giving sanyas to a few Indians for

> appearence's sake and those who are given sanyas, however

> senior wll never have any say in the organisation.

> So they are not interpreting vedas.

Indeed, the fruit of Yogananda's envy of Vivekananda's success... ;-)

> Can any one show me the alleged quote from Vedas referring

> to Jesus??

If it is published by YSS and attributed to Yogananda, surely it must

be true... ;-)

> Lets assume for amoment thats true, then all christians should

> become hindus because hindsm isreate to have predcted this so

> accuraly. Why create another religion??

Who is creating another religion? It's already quite firmly

established and here to stay, attracting new slaves, daily. Nearly 90

years old, in fact.

Did I ever mention the guru's dilemma?

There once was a guru who lived high up on a mountain cliff.

To him climbed many a shishya desiring Enlightenment.

Every time a would-be shishya arrived to learn at this great

Ascended Master's feet, he said,

"Fine. you must do everything I tell you."

Upon the shishya's groveling agreement,

he declared, "My first instruction is to go jump off this cliff."

After awhile, because of a shortage of shishyas,

the other gurus sent a delegation up the mountain

to confront this madman... er, great Avadhut.

"Why do you give this instruction to shishyas?" they demanded.

Without hesitation, the Master replied, "Who wants a stupid chela?"

Love,

Felicia

January 2, 2006

Dear Felicia:

It is not me alone who feel this way. Slowly the majority of Indian Hindus are

feeling the same way. It is slowly building up. It will explode one day. Then it

will be far worse than jihad. No personal offence intended.

Felicia <hygeiea44 wrote:

, Sankara Menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> I am sure the poor fellow must be tuning in his grave because of all

the misinformation and false statements about and allegedly by him.=è

This was with respect to jesus!!

You mean they buried him rather than cremate? Boy, he was more of a

heretic than I thought! ;-)

> **This may not be intentional misinformation on the part of

Evangelists.** ohhhhhhhh ever seen an honest evangelist?

Which organized religion does not propagate lies and a slave mentality

among adherents who bow to the morals and dogma for food and care in

this life and a promise of a heavenly place in the alleged afterlife

rather than develop their own ethical framework and live creatively,

here and now?

Hinduism does not prolystate by making false propaganda. For Christians the

alleged caring for the poor and destitute is the cover for attempts to convert.

There are 25% CHRISTIAN Americans who cannot have food everyday. Why do the good

Christians not first help their own before fanning out to other countries where

other religions are majority??

> There was this stanes fellow from Australia, he created so much discord

someone threw petrol on his vehicle and burnt him. In the process two of his

children were also klled. Even with the alleged husband dead the widow was more

interested in prolystation than the death of alleged husband and children.

Graham Stewart Stains

For those interested, I found a news article here:

http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/jan/23oris.htm

Read While no motive has yet been ascribed, police sources said the attack was

most likely perpetrated by the Bajrang Dal, an arm of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak

Sangh, which has been active in the area. Communal tension has reportedly been

high for the last year in the area.

=è Its OK for evangelists to be active but it is not OK for the indigenous

religion to be active??

Manoharpur itself has a high population of converts to Christianity, which is

reportedly resented by the tribal Hindus. Just a few months ago, Bajrang Dal

activists had attacked trucks of cattle owned by Muslims.

Is violence justified against those who proselytize an intolerant

religion and yet devote themselves to physical care of the most

down-trodden of the outcaste/untouchables who are not cared for by

their own aparteided society?

ð You have rightly said that the evangelists are intolerant. Let them

set their house right before invading and attacking other peoples’ beliefs and

societies. There are 25% poor in US f A. Australians support US of A. Why did

this Staines fellow not deem it necessary to go to US of A and help the poor??

Was it because there are no converson opportunities??

That's not to say that I advocate what passes for Christianity in this

yuga of Kali. One has only educate oneself to know that it is a heresy

and these people rely heavily on a misinterpretation and

mistranslations of the original Greek and Hebrew.

Be that as it may, as Colin wonders, so do I - why do you say "alleged widow"?

My experience of evangelists in Mexico is that they are *always*

married couples devoted to spreading their religion and offering care in

exchange to the most down-trodden.

ð è Ahhhhhhhh this marriage is a really good cover you know. I know at

least 3 missionary couples who are not married and sleep with the targets to

convert. The care included sleeping with a white. So that they become superior.

Do not forget that the propaandists in the evanelism field are especially

trained in the black art o propaganda.

Beg to differ:

Gray art - as it inevitably mixes a grain of truth with falsehoods. ;-)

The YSS and Theo people who spread all these stories are also caucasian now with

a sprinkin of Indians to grant authenticity. I know this because I know that YSS

reserves monkhood mostly to westerners while giving sanyas to a few Indians for

appearence's sake and those who are given sanyas, however senior will never have

any say in the organisation.

> So they are not interpreting vedas.

ð They are a group of westerners who took over a perfectly Indian

organization by infiltration

Indeed, the fruit of Yogananda's envy of Vivekananda's success... ;-)

> Can any one show me the alleged quote from Vedas referring

> to Jesus??

If it is published by YSS and attributed to Yogananda, surely it must be true...

;-)

ð “Attributed” and truth are different.

> Lets assume for amoment thats true, then all christians should become hindus

because hindsm isreate to have predcted this so accuraly. Why create another

religion??

Who is creating another religion? It's already quite firmly established and here

to stay, attracting new slaves, daily. Nearly 90 years old, in fact.

Did I ever mention the guru's dilemma?

There once was a guru who lived high up on a mountain cliff.

To him climbed many a shishya desiring Enlightenment.

Every time a would-be shishya arrived to learn at this great

Ascended Master's feet, he said,

"Fine. you must do everything I tell you."

Upon the shishya's groveling agreement,

he declared, "My first instruction is to go jump off this cliff."

After awhile, because of a shortage of shishyas, the other gurus sent a

delegation up the mountain to confront this madman... er, great Avadhut.

"Why do you give this instruction to shishyas?" they demanded.

Without hesitation, the Master replied, "Who wants a stupid chela?"

Love,

Felicia

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, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> It is not me alone who feel this way. Slowly the majority

> of Indian Hindus are feeling the same way. It is slowly

> building up. It will explode one day. Then it will be far

> worse than jihad. No personal offence intended.

Dear Sankara,

Personal offense? You may have noticed I'm not a bloody Evangelist. ;-)

But, at the risk of offending you, I will state:

Revolution comes from within.

Where are the educated, wealthy Brahmins with access to high speed

internet service who care enough about their disadvantaged countrymen

and about their own cultural heritage to flood the blogosphere and

iPods with photos and video footage and accurate, factual reporting of

the Evangelist's methods? Is the culture so stratified that your

wealthy, advantaged countrymen are too blind to see that they

themselves are the enemy of their own people?

Rather than violence/jihad, Indians could do themselves

a very big favor by getting video footage and photos posted

to bloggers and podcasters who have access to reliable, high speed

internet service - on a continuing and ongoing basis. You may have

noticed that, increasingly, the news wires are relying on the

blogosphere for up-to-the minute reporting of developing news,

worldwide. That means international attention. That level of media

access is very, very powerful. It also takes a great deal of

dedication, attention to detail, constancy and continued effort. As

they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

iPodcasting, the internet and, specifically, the blogosphere are the

revolution. You reach more young people, that way.

Love,

Felicia

January 3, 2006

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> Dear Felicia:

>

> It is not me alone who feel this way. Slowly the majority of

Indian Hindus are feeling the same way. It is slowly building up. It

will explode one day. Then it will be far worse than jihad. No

personal offence intended.

>

A little off the point. I really think something like an explosion

will never happen. Look at the history. The hindus were ruled (and

most of the time not favourably) for more that 1000 years but they

still did not have any significant rebellion. Vivekananda had said

that hindus can never be united. This is also a part of hindu

tolerance.

I think most of the religions came after hinduism therfore we are

not taught how to react to other religion (there is no concept of

other religion in hinduism, only dharma and adharma). This is in

contrast to Islam /Christianity which were propogated at the cost of

other existing faiths.

Regards

Sumanta

***********

I disagree though. Because times have changed and people are fed up. I know this

because, in my official capacity, sometime not too long ago, I had read

assesments.

The first instance was the NDA Government. But that was not a success because

depite the color change many of the leaders were corrupt polticians. Now, I am

told, there is a thought process of creaing unsullied people who are well

educated the andidates. IF that happens it could lead to a change in status that

could result in a backlash by people who gained benifits on the basis of

religion - mainly Chrisians and Mualims - and that will lead to a reacion. Thats

what I was speaking about. Now that I am in ndia for a few days more I am

talking to people and this is the impression I gained.

KOCHU

*******************

January 3, 2006

Dear Felicia,

I don´t know what your Interpretation of this "allegedly" Indian Story

is, should it imply that, to an Avadhoot Guru, intelligence is more

important than devotion to the Guru, you have a mistaken notion of the

tradition.

On the contrary especially amongst the Kaulas, Avadhootas, Nathas and

Digambaras Devotion to the Guru is the key to sucess and is the basic

requirement,Intelligence is not a prerequiste and never was because the

teaching is non dual and way beyond manas, while without Devotion no

progress beyond a certain point is possible.

There are other sampradayas who rely more heavily on Jnana, but those

mentioned above promote Teachings way above caste creed and mental

concepts and can lead to sucess without recourse to Mind activity.

In fact Mind activity is considered more as an obstacle than an asset,

because as one can easily notice following illusive thought constructs

most often only strengthen the feeling of superiority to others, this

is one of the main obstacles to progress in this path. More than just

Humility is needed. No true Avadhoota would mistreat People like the

Teacher in your story allegedly does, only because they are not as

intelligent as he deems himself to be.

Mahahradanatha

> Did I ever mention the guru's dilemma?

>

> There once was a guru who lived high up on a mountain cliff.

> To him climbed many a shishya desiring Enlightenment.

> Every time a would-be shishya arrived to learn at this great

> Ascended Master's feet, he said,

> "Fine. you must do everything I tell you."

> Upon the shishya's groveling agreement,

> he declared, "My first instruction is to go jump off this cliff."

> After awhile, because of a shortage of shishyas, the other gurus sent

a delegation up the mountain to confront this madman... er, great

Avadhut.

> "Why do you give this instruction to shishyas?" they demanded.

> Without hesitation, the Master replied, "Who wants a stupid chela?"

January 3, 2006

, "mahahradanatha"

<mahahradanatha> wrote:

>

> Dear Mr Menon

>

> You have my full support. This is exactly what is happening. The

> American and British Public is completly zombified and paralyzed

by a vile propaganda machine where even the criticism is deliberatly

faked to perfect the mind control.

>

> There was some minor resistance against this zombification in

> Continental Europe but this has been completly eradicated in the

last few years.

>

> The media are constantly flooding the masses with misinformation,

24

> hours, nonstop, upholding and implanting the idea of the moral

> superiority of the western so-called democratic "civilisation" and

> the western way of life over the rest of the uncivilised world.

> Political Parties only serve to establish the Illusion of

democracy,

> actual politics do not change after an election of a different

> political Party.

(snip)

Greetings, All, and Happy New Year's wishes to everyone.

I concur with these thoughts, and think the insidiousness goes

beyond politics in a way. The political neoCON agenda has used the

trappings of "democracy" and "freedom" to promote the Christian

Fundamentalista perversion of "if you're not with us, you're against

us" dualism.

93/696,

Nina

January 3, 2006

Namaste......

Well, I remember a story similar with this one with the Guru living high up in

the mountain, but it was different and the Guru was Babaji and his followers,

who travel from remote places in wilderness to some other places using his

spiritual powers known as translocation, and one day an aspired disciple got the

chance to come close to its group of disciples and when Babaji saw him said:

“Who are you looking for?”

the intruder replied:

“I was looking for you MASTER, because I always wanted to meet you. I will do

whatever you want me to do to. Please, let me stay with you and become your

disciple.”

Then, Babaji looked at him and said:

“If you are willing to do what I want you to do then jump off this cliff.”

Immediately with no hesitation the poor fellow jumped and died instantly.

It was a bloody scene to see such a thing happening, and all of his disciples

looked at the scene in consternation. Babaji came down and with a magic touch

resurrected the poor chela who dared to become his disciple. And then explained

to them that he couldn’t accepted him as a disciple because of his negative

karma, but now he is ready to follow him and only in this way was possible to

wipe out rapidly and efficiently his bad karma to be accepted as his disciple.

I came with this reply because it was necessary to make you to understand

that we can’t think any single moment that Spiritual Path it’s a joke or we can

make fun of such things like Guru Stories for amusement, and it’s easy to

accumulate negative karma every day of our life but hard to get rid of it. We

have to be mature and honest with ourselves to understand and follow

instructions gave to us by our teachers to make some progress in our personal

Spiritual Journey and wipe out negative karma in a slow process by doing

SADHANA.

~ OM TAT SAT ~

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: Dear Felicia,