Sex and Sadhna !!

[Guest guest]

See,

 

Sex is mere a physical excercise and the frustrated guru who took to sadhan path

and couldn't get enough sex, brought this as a sadhana activity, before

dignifying sex as a spritual means of sadhna see to dogs and pigs, they do sex

like hell, are they getting spritually enlightenment ???

 

sex is a pleasurable act but no way a special divine act, if sex is special then

urinating is also same way speacial. so, pls. dont get confused with Sex

Specific Kauls or Guru's. they are behind beautifull girls any way,,,, just that

is their frustration.

 

if u know any single guru who got Siddhi or Height becoz of Sex in his life as a

sadhana activity, pls. share with all of us.

 

regards,

Lalit Mishra

[Guest guest]

93,

 

, Lalit Mishra <litsol> wrote:

> Sex is mere a physical excercise and the frustrated guru who took to

sadhan path and couldn't get enough sex, brought this as a sadhana

activity, before dignifying sex as a spritual means of sadhna see to

dogs and pigs, they do sex like hell, are they getting spritually

enlightenment ???

 

This is the utter nonsense.

And while U do have a full right to be stuck in this worldly opinions

and suffer, U have no right to speak against saints whom U no nothing

about! Keep this in mind, DEVI is not every time soft and kind. What U

say is aparadha to Her - because U put blame on Her revelation and

holy people.

 

Coming to the point of Ur arguement, it doesn't stand any critisism.

If U have no consciousness and only body, it may be right for U

personally. But for those who have heart and soul, this is wrong. Pigs

and dogs BTW do NOT enjoy sex, they simply multiply. There is no love

and no joy - because of no consciousness. Humans are the only able to

freely enjoy sex - that is what makes tremendous difference with animals.

 

Maybe for U sex is same as urination - then i pity U... Enjoy Ur

frustrated mind and accept final destruction - vinAshakAle viparIta

buddhiH...

 

> sex is a pleasurable act but no way a special divine act, if sex is

special then urinating is also same way speacial. so, pls. dont get

confused with Sex Specific Kauls or Guru's. they are behind beautifull

girls any way,,,, just that is their frustration.

 

When U say that to be behind a girl is something wrong - it is Ur mind

who is sick.

Who are perverted are those "gurus" who preach celibacy to devotees

but f...ck young boys or women in private. Those freaks develop these

"antisex" ideas due to their hypocrisy. Yes, there are some people who

speak about Tantra and do nonsense. But they are MUCH less in number

than fake yogis, money-minded sannyasis and politics from religion.

 

Also, EVERY pleasurable act can be done as sacred. Any bliss

manifested is a form of Brahman, naturally Brahman can be known

through conscious enjoyment.

 

> if u know any single guru who got Siddhi or Height becoz of Sex in

his life as a sadhana activity, pls. share with all of us.

 

YES i do. And several more advanced upasakas here in group do know.

 

In the name of Truth,

A.

[Guest guest]

Yes!! every one is entitled to their views. However would it not be

better to understand what it is - if you are eligible and gets a

competent guru - try - and then speak????

 

 

, Lalit Mishra <litsol>

wrote:

> See,

>

> Sex is mere a physical excercise and the frustrated guru who took

to sadhan path and couldn't get enough sex, brought this as a

sadhana activity, before dignifying sex as a spritual means of

sadhna see to dogs and pigs, they do sex like hell, are they getting

spritually enlightenment ???

>

> sex is a pleasurable act but no way a special divine act, if sex

is special then urinating is also same way speacial. so, pls. dont

get confused with Sex Specific Kauls or Guru's. they are behind

beautifull girls any way,,,, just that is their frustration.

>

> if u know any single guru who got Siddhi or Height becoz of Sex in

his life as a sadhana activity, pls. share with all of us.

>

> regards,

> Lalit Mishra

[Guest guest]

Kochu ,

do you have a guru and have all the knoledge to speak?

 

, "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz> wrote:

> Yes!! every one is entitled to their views. However would it not be

> better to understand what it is - if you are eligible and gets a

> competent guru - try - and then speak????

>

>

> , Lalit Mishra <litsol>

> wrote:

> > See,

> >

> > Sex is mere a physical excercise and the frustrated guru who took

> to sadhan path and couldn't get enough sex, brought this as a

> sadhana activity, before dignifying sex as a spritual means of

> sadhna see to dogs and pigs, they do sex like hell, are they getting

> spritually enlightenment ???

> >

> > sex is a pleasurable act but no way a special divine act, if sex

> is special then urinating is also same way speacial. so, pls. dont

> get confused with Sex Specific Kauls or Guru's. they are behind

> beautifull girls any way,,,, just that is their frustration.

> >

> > if u know any single guru who got Siddhi or Height becoz of Sex in

> his life as a sadhana activity, pls. share with all of us.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit Mishra

[Guest guest]

Sorry, but I think this is a western Christian concept of sex.

Hinduism or Shakti worship does not believe in having sex with all

girls to gain in Sadhana. That is lust and you do not need a guru to

tell you that. Otherwise why do Shakti worship, you can go to bar or

pub or a prostitute and gain shakti-sadhana by having sex.

 

Are there are such gurus having sex with unmarried women or with

others wife to gain in others sadhana?

 

Please do not stimulate sex thoughts in this group.

 

, "Arjuna Taranandanatha"

<bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

 

Pigs

and dogs BTW do NOT enjoy sex, they simply multiply. There is no love

and no joy - because of no consciousness.

 

Even animals are more selective in their partners and if there is love

in them too.

 

Humans are the only able to

freely enjoy sex - that is what makes tremendous difference with animals.

[Guest guest]

Yes sex as a form of Sadhana is a very deceptive thing and must be avoided

at all costs. Its like fooling ourselves. Osho preached about "Sambhog se

Samadhi" meaning "From Sex to Sublime" which is impossible. Following Osho

many people have generated a perverted meaning of Shakti Sadhana. It is a

great Tragedy.

Veer bhava speaks of considering Goddess as your wife or wife as ur goddess

and get spiritual elevation, but I think Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa has

shown us all the forms of Shakti Worship and he never had Sex.

So stop considering sex as a spiritual practice my dear Brothers and

Sisters.

Woman is a mother first and shakti sadhana considering a woman/shakti as a

mother first is the best way.

Hariom

 

 

On 10/3/05, Lalit Mishra <litsol wrote:

>

> See,

>

> Sex is mere a physical excercise and the frustrated guru who took to

> sadhan path and couldn't get enough sex, brought this as a sadhana activity,

> before dignifying sex as a spritual means of sadhna see to dogs and pigs,

> they do sex like hell, are they getting spritually enlightenment ???

>

> sex is a pleasurable act but no way a special divine act, if sex is

> special then urinating is also same way speacial. so, pls. dont get confused

> with Sex Specific Kauls or Guru's. they are behind beautifull girls any

> way,,,, just that is their frustration.

>

> if u know any single guru who got Siddhi or Height becoz of Sex in his

> life as a sadhana activity, pls. share with all of us.

>

> regards,

> Lalit Mishra

>

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Humanity is one's only Religion

Breath is one's only Prayer

Consciousness is one's only God

 

Ishaan

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, "silentwatcher1947"

<silentwatcher1947> wrote:

> Kochu ,

> do you have a guru and have all the knoledge to speak?

>

 

 

Please read : 18842

 

Yes! he is and amongst all the moderators here in the group, he is the

person who is has more experience and knowledgeable than us, except

that he is too modest to admit it. He does not flaunt nor brag about

it. That is why we [ speaking from Devi Bhakta, sunelectric and

myself] we like him and respect him for what he is. Lets us close this

subject here.

[Guest guest]

, ishaan <ishwarananda@g...>

wrote:

> Yes sex as a form of Sadhana is a very deceptive thing and must be

avoided at all costs. Its like fooling ourselves. Osho preached

about "Sambhog se Samadhi" meaning "From Sex to Sublime" which is

impossible. Following Osho many people have generated a perverted

meaning of Shakti Sadhana. It is a great Tragedy. Veer bhava speaks

of considering Goddess as your wife or wife as ur goddess and get

spiritual elevation, but I think Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa has

shown us all the forms of Shakti Worship and he never had Sex. So

stop considering sex as a spiritual practice my dear Brothers and

Sisters.

 

 

Sorry but I beg to differ. Sex is a sacred act and in Shakti Sadhana

as I am being taught, is used only as a tool and not a motivator.

Sex is only being used by those sadhak/sadhika who are advance

spiritually and only at the guidance of a guru. The problem is when

people who have no proper guidance decide to be a hero and go on

their own thinking they have know it all. If you think Sex is bad,

that is your opinion but please do not try to impose it on another.

 

Please remember you are in a Shakta group and we do not have any

issues about sex and its uses in our Sadhana. For you to come here

and tells us our practices is wrong and should be avoided, is

extremely rude!

 

 

"Woman is a mother first and shakti sadhana considering a

woman/shakti as a mother first is the best way."

 

As far as I am concern, Devi as the lover is the highest form of

devotion. Mother and child is second best and simplest because its

much easier for simple minded sadhak to related to. But as a child

you remain as a separate entity. Only lovers merge to be one, that

is the purpose of our Sadhana. To merge with the Divine.

 

You can never merge with your mother. Its an incense relationship,

unless of course you go back to the mothers womb. When you are fully

term and attached to the umbilical cord : that is when mother and

child is one.

 

This reminds me of a picture of Tara as pot bellied, as if she is

pregnant. Its being suggested that Tara is pregnant with the world.

But in my opinion Tara carries a child in her womb. That child is us

the sadhak/sadhika. That is an image when Mother and child is One.

[Guest guest]

, "silentwatcher1947"

<silentwatcher1947> wrote: Sorry, but I think this is a western

Christian concept of sex. Hinduism or Shakti worship does not

believe in having sex with allgirls to gain in Sadhana. That is lust

and you do not need a guru to tell you that. Otherwise why do Shakti

worship, you can go to bar or pub or a prostitute and gain shakti-

sadhana by having sex.

 

Are there are such gurus having sex with unmarried women or with

others wife to gain in others sadhana?

 

Please do not stimulate sex thoughts in this group.

 

 

 

Why not? You are embarress to even think about it? I think that is

perhaps a child mentality. To even think that their parent do have

sex is sickening to them?

 

I am being told by my guru, in olden days, one of the ways of the

guru to teach the sisya esp the women abt some shakti sadhana

concepts is via sex. But that is olden days. Mind you my guru is not

some western initiate with this new age ideas. He/She is a

traditionalist and from India.

[Guest guest]

For the purpose of the group I think that it is better to talk about Shakti more

as a Mother rather than Giving a Sexual Dimension to it.

It is better for the group. Consider a woman a Mother First and keep the example

of Ramakrishna Paramhansa in front of you.

Ramakrishna Paramhansa was predominantly as Shakti Sadhak and was at the

pinnacle of tantra sadhana. Ramakrishna Paramhansa never had Sex. He must be our

Ideal.

 

Hariom.

[Guest guest]

I am sorry guys but if sex is given so much importance then it will not lead to

spiritual elevation but it will lead to moral wrecks and social doom.This is my

stromgest feeling.

[Guest guest]

, ishaan <ishwarananda@g...>

wrote:

> For the purpose of the group I think that it is better to talk

about Shakti more as a Mother rather than Giving a Sexual Dimension

to it. It is better for the group. Consider a woman a Mother First

and keep the example of Ramakrishna Paramhansa in front of you.

Ramakrishna Paramhansa was predominantly as Shakti Sadhak and was at

the pinnacle of tantra sadhana. Ramakrishna Paramhansa never had

Sex. He must be our Ideal.

 

Hariom.

 

 

 

 

Sorry, for the purpose of the group, its better to discuss Shakti

Sadhana as it should be from our understanding. Please read the

introduction to our group page :

 

"Make information available. Let people take it or leave it, think

it is true or false, judge you as they think fit. Tell them: 'Come

here if you like. Don't come if you don't like. Only try to see for

yourself. Don't blindly accept what others say.'"

 

~ Sri Amritananda Natha Saraswati

 

Ramakrishna Paramhans is your ideal it is fine, but not to all. Guru

Amritananda Natha Saraswati is one of our ideal guru. My guru [ who

happen to be a member of this group] is my ideal and his teachings

is what matters to me.

[Guest guest]

No Problem...I dont have any problems Sir...Go ahead with your way. HE is

infinite and so are the ways to attain him.

I have no Problem. :-)

 

 

 

On 10/3/05, NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote:

>

> , ishaan <ishwarananda@g...>

> wrote:

> > For the purpose of the group I think that it is better to talk

> about Shakti more as a Mother rather than Giving a Sexual Dimension

> to it. It is better for the group. Consider a woman a Mother First

> and keep the example of Ramakrishna Paramhansa in front of you.

> Ramakrishna Paramhansa was predominantly as Shakti Sadhak and was at

> the pinnacle of tantra sadhana. Ramakrishna Paramhansa never had

> Sex. He must be our Ideal.

>

> Hariom.

>

Sorry, for the purpose of the group, its better to discuss Shakti

> Sadhana as it should be from our understanding. Please read the

> introduction to our group page :

>

> "Make information available. Let people take it or leave it, think

> it is true or false, judge you as they think fit. Tell them: 'Come

> here if you like. Don't come if you don't like. Only try to see for

> yourself. Don't blindly accept what others say.'"

>

> ~ Sri Amritananda Natha Saraswati

>

> Ramakrishna Paramhans is your ideal it is fine, but not to all. Guru

> Amritananda Natha Saraswati is one of our ideal guru. My guru [ who

> happen to be a member of this group] is my ideal and his teachings

> is what matters to me.

[Guest guest]

The feeling that I am having now...Hmm, now I know why ancient tantra

sadhaks kept their ways secret. These things must be kept secret and not be

opened to all is my opinion as of now. This path is extremely difficult and

there is great danger of falling down instead of rising. Sir I request you to

keep these things secret because not everyone is blessed with a real guru in

Shakti Sadhana. This is just my personal opinion, nothing against anyone.

 

Hariom...

 

 

 

Well we agree your suggestion that certain things must be kept secret. hey! just

some time back somebody comes here and say, to keep information and knowledge

secret is being egolistical and it is bad. It should be avoided at all. How

ironic eh!.

 

But you see we are in the age of information revolution. You can get what ever

information you want in the net even how to assemble a bomb. Thus it is the

obligation of Shakti Sadhana to try our best to { I do not want to use this word

but I cant think of other terms to use ] 'guide' others who comes here to seek

the information. We do not claim to be the authority in Shakti Sadhana, but we

provide what we know best with the guidance with our Guru here.

[Guest guest]

, ishaan <ishwarananda@g...>

wrote:

> I am sorry guys but if sex is given so much importance then it

will not lead to spiritual elevation but it will lead to moral

wrecks and social doom.This is my stromgest feeling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And in my strongest feeling, there is nothing wrong with Sex. The

problem is when Sex is being abuse. If you track back this whole

message, it started with my comment: Approaching Devi as a lover,

does it mean about having Sex. And I bring an example about my

conversation with a young man who try to rationalise it with this

Sex and beer advertisement.

 

And I futher remarked : why sex and tantric sex becomes so popular

because Sex sells. Advertiser use Sex to exploit men's weakness. The

point it most men do not see this.

 

Thus is you look again at my message and kochu, we stress again and

again, Sex is a tool and not a motivator. It is just like other tool

we used in Shakti Sadhana in this process of DEVIHOOD. A tool not

meant for all. But you see people do not read the message : not

meant for all. All they see is the SEX! SEX! SEX!

 

My Pranam to Swami Ishwarananda of Siddha Org.

[Guest guest]

My apology the second statement is mine ;

 

, ishaan <ishwarananda@g...>

wrote:

> The feeling that I am having now...Hmm, now I know why ancient

tantra

> sadhaks kept their ways secret. These things must be kept secret

and not be opened to all is my opinion as of now. This path is

extremely difficult and there is great danger of falling down

instead of rising. Sir I request you to keep these things secret

because not everyone is blessed with a real guru in Shakti Sadhana.

This is just my personal opinion, nothing against anyone.

>

> Hariom...

>

>

>

 

Nora :

Well we agree your suggestion that certain things must be kept

secret. hey! just some time back somebody comes here and say, to

keep information and knowledge secret is being egolistical and it is

bad. It should be avoided at all. How ironic eh!.

>

> But you see we are in the age of information revolution. You can

get what ever information you want in the net even how to assemble a

bomb. Thus it is the obligation of Shakti Sadhana to try our best to

{ I do not want to use this word but I cant think of other terms to

use ] 'guide' others who comes here to seek the information. We do

not claim to be the authority in Shakti Sadhana, but we provide what

we know best with the guidance with our Guru here.

[Guest guest]

Oh I forgot!! There is a Parashurama aphorism "Swa maatru jaaravat gopyataa"

"Thou shalt keep it secret as thou would an illicit relationship of your

mother". Now I unerstand the full meaning of it. For ppl n of THAT leel it is

ununerstandable. If Mishra saab is to search he will unerstand. The higher

teachings are really ended and the code is revealed only to the worthy. And in

other plaes they are explicit and as an experiment by Nora here on SS showed,

only the worthy even notice it.

Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha wrote:93,

 

, Lalit Mishra <litsol> wrote:

> Sex is mere a physical excercise and the frustrated guru who took to sadhan

path and couldn't get enough sex, brought this as a sadhana activity, before

dignifying sex as a spritual means of sadhna see to dogs and pigs, they do sex

like hell, are they getting spritually enlightenment ???

 

This is the utter nonsense.

And while U do have a full right to be stuck in this worldly opinions

and suffer, U have no right to speak against saints whom U no nothing about!

Keep this in mind, DEVI is not every time soft and kind. What U say is aparadha

to Her - because U put blame on Her revelation and holy people.

 

Coming to the point of Ur arguement, it doesn't stand any critisism.

If U have no consciousness and only body, it may be right for U

personally. But for those who have heart and soul, this is wrong. Pigs

and dogs BTW do NOT enjoy sex, they simply multiply. There is no love

and no joy - because of no consciousness. Humans are the only able to

freely enjoy sex - that is what makes tremendous difference with animals.

 

Maybe for U sex is same as urination - then i pity U... Enjoy Ur

frustrated mind and accept final destruction - vinAshakAle viparIta

buddhiH...

 

> sex is a pleasurable act but no way a special divine act, if sex is

special then urinating is also same way speacial. so, pls. dont get

confused with Sex Specific Kauls or Guru's. they are behind beautifull

girls any way,,,, just that is their frustration.

 

When U say that to be behind a girl is something wrong - it is Ur mind

who is sick.

Who are perverted are those "gurus" who preach celibacy to devotees

but f...ck young boys or women in private. Those freaks develop these

"antisex" ideas due to their hypocrisy. Yes, there are some people who

speak about Tantra and do nonsense. But they are MUCH less in number

than fake yogis, money-minded sannyasis and politics from religion.

 

Also, EVERY pleasurable act can be done as sacred. Any bliss

manifested is a form of Brahman, naturally Brahman can be known

through conscious enjoyment.

 

> if u know any single guru who got Siddhi or Height becoz of Sex in

his life as a sadhana activity, pls. share with all of us.

 

YES i do. And several more advanced upasakas here in group do know.

 

In the name of Truth,

A.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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yes I have a guru; but I do not claim complete and perfect knowledge.

 

silentwatcher1947 <silentwatcher1947 wrote:Kochu ,

do you have a guru and have all the knoledge to speak?

 

, "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz> wrote:

> Yes!! every one is entitled to their views. However would it not be

> better to understand what it is - if you are eligible and gets a

> competent guru - try - and then speak????

>

>

> , Lalit Mishra <litsol>

> wrote:

> > See,

> >

> > Sex is mere a physical excercise and the frustrated guru who took

> to sadhan path and couldn't get enough sex, brought this as a

> sadhana activity, before dignifying sex as a spritual means of

> sadhna see to dogs and pigs, they do sex like hell, are they getting

> spritually enlightenment ???

> >

> > sex is a pleasurable act but no way a special divine act, if sex

> is special then urinating is also same way speacial. so, pls. dont

> get confused with Sex Specific Kauls or Guru's. they are behind

> beautifull girls any way,,,, just that is their frustration.

> >

> > if u know any single guru who got Siddhi or Height becoz of Sex in

> his life as a sadhana activity, pls. share with all of us.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit Mishra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I dont understand why people undermine holy people

 

The one thing i still have to learn from my teacher is viewing everybody else

without any prejudice or bias

 

He gave me all the mantras without ever saying the word "NO"

 

while I am not yet ready to sacrifice anything for my Guru.....

 

Vik

[Guest guest]

Dear Nora

 

I truely agree with you...

 

I have never come across anyone so far as sweet and as great in spirituality as

dear Guru Amritananda Natha Saraswati. About the context of sex in sadhana, even

Sri ramakrishna paramahamsa had a vision of the shiva in one with shakthi

 

 

We as normal human beings nay even the Gods cant answer the question

"Ramakrishna Paramhansa never had Sex and why". Since each incarnation of God

comes down with a specific mission in mind and in context with that time.

 

Currently we must accept the teachings of our ideal Guru

 

regards

 

vikram

[Guest guest]

Folks My two cents worth:

 

There was a point of my life when I struggled with where sex fit into spiritual

practice, after some probing I had some conceptions that I would want to put

across and improve upon from the learned members of the group .. Please note

that I am talking here from my perception of sprituality .. to me spirituality

is a two step process ultimately:

 

a) Use the idea of neti neti .. to assert that neither this is brahman nor is

that .. and ultimately reach and find that source that can be experienced as the

brahman that is the source of all and is without any attributes ...

 

b) Then, to come back and realise that "this is that" and that everything is

ultimately everything that is manifest is brahman as well ... a state where even

existing on material plane is equal to samadhi because of the constance feel of

presence of brahman everywhere including yourself !

 

To me these are however only conceptions .. I have no practical experience of

either ...

 

If you look at it you will find 3 groups of people on the spiritual quest:

 

a) People who are starting off

 

b) People who are reasonably advanced

 

c) People who are highly advanced ..

 

Lot has been written about how sex can be liberating and the moment of orgasm

where you lose yourself is akin to samadhi etc etc ... as I see it Sex then has

to be put in prespective to these three groups of people to see the spiritual

value that sex lends to each of these groups if at all there is any ...

 

Firstly are there any pre requisites for sex to be of any use in sadhana? To me

vairagya is necessary .. dispassion (not non possession) should be a integral

part of the personality of a person for anything and everything .. sex needs

passion at least for arousal … that brings us to a question of how can sex be

dispassionate yet passionate … passion then should be for the god whose

reflection we see in the other person involved .. but dispassion should go into

the act itself … from this point of view it just becomes an act of unifying the

two polarities of existence into oneness and this is a spiritual leap.

 

a) First group of people are the most confused of the lot. Some people feel sex

with love is divine, sex without love is fallen. This is something that dosent

go well with my digestive enzymes. Mostly because many questions arise, what is

this love we are talking about? A father surely loves his daughter (whatever

love is) but morally (should morality matter in spiritual quest?) he cant have

sex with her. So what is this love that we are talking about? I am not writing

all my internal dialogue here because I cant mostly recollect it and its also

unnecessary. My conclusion however is that love has nothing to do with sex. But

people in initial stages are better off with the conception that sex and love

should go together because that way they wont fall having more and more sex and

trying to feel liberated. Can then beginners use sex for spirituality? They

cant, because its almost impossible for them to connect to the context where sex

can become sacred.

 

b) For these group of people dispassion becomes a second nature and then sex

becomes a means to ends of losing ones identity during orgasm and a means or

pleasuring and indulging in the feminine part of reality and not an act of self

indulgance. Again for this I suspect both man and women in the act should be in

that state of mind. Here love for the divine and not love for the individual

involved that becomes necessary and sufficient condition. And Mind you this

feeling cannot be induced by assertion alone, it has to be actually experienced

failing which I opine we are in for more karmic trouble than pleasure.

 

c) For highly advanced group of spiritual aspirants, sex cannot add any value at

all, simply because anyone who has tasted Samadhi will anyhow confirm the joy

and apparent loss of individual ego and experiencing god is far better than

using sex to do anything necessary. Every act then becomes incidental because

when ends have been reached means have no meaning ...

 

Another question to be asked then is, is this something that cannot be attained

without sex? To me the answer is no, like comments from other learned members,

sex can be a risky and easily a deterrent than a help. I am not trying to be a

moral police here, I have my shares of baggages to carry, but even for the value

it adds sex is best left alone from spiritual practices is what I feel.

 

For those of you with more experience and learning than me .. my humble

apologies for talking of things I never experienced. The only justification I

can give is that we all have theories that we improve upon or discard with

experience …

[Guest guest]

You seemed to be fooled by a fake guru into it and seems like you

yourself had sex with your guru to gain .

 

 

In , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> wrote:

>

> I am being told by my guru, in olden days, one of the ways of the

> guru to teach the sisya esp the women abt some shakti sadhana

> concepts is via sex. But that is olden days. Mind you my guru is not

> some western initiate with this new age ideas. He/She is a

> traditionalist and from India.

[Guest guest]

If you do not have complete knowlegde how can you point a figure at

Mishraji and others about their sadhana. First gain knowledge, i.e.

complete and then be a moderator. And not the other way round. You

seem to have read two books and claim to have the entire knowledge of

 

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> yes I have a guru; but I do not claim complete and perfect knowledge.

>

> silentwatcher1947 <silentwatcher1947> wrote:Kochu ,

> do you have a guru and have all the knoledge to speak?

>

[Guest guest]

I think many youth will be attracted in this group , because this

group serves the purpose of the youth have sex ,gain divine knowledge,

divinity.........sowe will have more premarriage sex to gain Shakti

Sadhana. What a lovely spiritual thoughT!!

 

, "SophiasRealm"

<SophiasRealm@a...> wrote:

> In my personal opinion, part of the problem is the segragation of

all discussion of sex into a separate category from spirituality.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, removing the sexual componenent would turn it into what we know

as Christianity.

 

, "SophiasRealm"

<SophiasRealm@a...> wrote:

> , ishaan <ishwarananda@g...>

wrote:

> > For the purpose of the group I think that it is better to talk

about

> Shakti more as a Mother rather than Giving a Sexual Dimension to

it.

> > It is better for the group. Consider a woman a Mother First and

keep

> the example of Ramakrishna Paramhansa in front of you.

> > Ramakrishna Paramhansa was predominantly as Shakti Sadhak and

was at

> the pinnacle of tantra sadhana. Ramakrishna Paramhansa never had

Sex.

> He must be our Ideal.

> >

> > Hariom.

>

> i personally will never worship any such fragmented view of the

cosmos,

> such as to say the Goddess must be seen as Mother, but one who

did not

> have sex. How did She give Birth. What about the Love Song of

Shiva

> and Shakti? That is what I to. I do not to

a

> view of the Cosmos that has like a monkey, the hands over the eyes

and

> the ears and the mouth (see no evil speak no evil hear no evil )

cuz it

> is afraid to open it's eyes or it will see evil at every turn.

The

> Cosmos is the Body of the Goddess, and in Her body is SEX

everywhere in

> Nature. If it's good enough for Her, it's good enough for me.

It is

> a kind of ego that humans feel they have to be better than their

own

> bodies, and that their own bodies, which are [part of the body of

the

> Goddess are dirty. Sure there is a way to degrade anything, but

just

> being natural in the body in a way that has reverence is better

than to

> look on the body with disgust.