Kumari [ Digest Number 1511]

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Would/wouldn't a boy be as representative as you say the Kumari is,

since there is the same combination of Shakti/Shiva prior to

puberty? Are there also *similar* rituals that involve boy children?

If there are such rituals involving boy children, how are those

rituals different? Why not a boy, if boys do not hold such positions?

 

, "mahahradanatha"

<mahahradanatha> wrote:

> I am still contemplating on kurukulla and Varahi and the

> Bhavanupanishad and its biological and subtle body interpretation

and

> practice contained as a part of srividya, my commentary on kumari

is

> tainted by this.

>

> The theme of the Virgin or childlike Goddess and God is highly

loaded

> in every culture and every stage of history had a lot of

approaches

> it is full of thousands of differing associations and verily a

huge

> crystal ball to see a lot of different scenes in.

>

> The anatomical or biological approach to spirituality has a

problem

> it is offending to some devotees to associate their own biology

with

> the deities. Because of that even now one can hardly speak openly

> about some ideas without hurting others (or being hurt by enraged

> others) many secrets have been lost already because of this lack

of

> communication.

>

> Since a huge orgasmic vibration has created this particular

universe

> and even the greatest of saints had his origin in a smaller

likewise

> vibration (except jesus of course *g* who is allegedly born by a

> virgin) one should consider the body not as something entirely

evil

> and unsuitable for spiritual progress.

>

> I was looking at the kumari from the viewpoint of the tantric or

the

> worshipper not so much from that of the goddess and her

associations

> or legends. So please allow me to discuss this first.

>

> To embody the Goddess in a Kumari or imagining her as before

> Menstruation sets in, protects the devotees and the vajracharyas

> (Kumari Pujaris in Nepal) from possible destrucive influences.

> Why?

> Because in the body of the Kumari the energies of Shiva /Shakti

are

> self containend because she has not menstruated and is in nearer

to

> the original unity of the embryo.

>

> The fetus is in constant samadhi, the white and the red inherited

> energy received from Father and mother (shiva-Shakti) are in still

in

> a unified state of one Bindu only.

>

> To achive that state of unity again as an adult is the aim of some

> sadhanas

>

> After the umbilical cord has been cut and the feet touch the

ground

> the bindu splits, the bodily shiva energy begins to move upward

> being fiery and the female downward being of the nature of water,

> but in the child the energys did not yet separete completly the

Amrit

> is still produced and the psychic channels are still unobstructed,

Of

> course there are no deep rooted musular tension to block the blood

> lymph and prana pathways.

>

> All these poisons are present later in life. There are sdhanas

also

> to remove or transform these Poisons.

>

> Menstruation or ejaculation mark the beginning of the complete

> outward turning of the main subtle and bodily energies.

> (including a complete outward turning of the sense organs-which

> are "retracted" later in sadhana also to regain the energies)

> (see bhavanupanishad and the Immortal NavNaths shielding these 9

> openings)

>

> The menstruation and ejaculation is also a psychological turning

> point and it is accompanied by several hormonal changes resulting

in

> an irritable and unstable state of mind.

>

> That why it is way more dangerous to incorporate and install a

deity

> representing primal complete Innocence in an adult body with its

> tensions and frustrations, and only in an adult body with the

> energies obstructed and blocked kumari energy can issue poisons

not

> perfumes.

>

>

> Like it is said in the Bhavanupanishad We have a sri yantra in the

> body. But before sadhana,figurativly speaking its triangles are

> shifted apart with the male energy at the top of the body and the

> female energies sunk below, sadhana tries to rearrange them again

> returning back to the foetal unity and transform our mind/body to

> innocence and completeness.

>

> To remind i am still talking about the little goddesses and gods

of

> the body so please i hope nobody is offended.

>

> These Explanations perfectly fit the Shiva Sutra and its

commentary.

> Ichha Shakti being primal mind intent in the act of creation the

> universe and in Nath Sampradya(and most probably also Kashmir

> Shaivaism) Iccha Shakti is the mixed Bindu- Sun-located in the

Heart

> center, opposed to Jnana Shakti as Moon and the male Energy in the

> brain and Kriya Shakti the female energy and Fire in the navel

> respectively muladhara in some traditions.

> Something complete in itself cannot be enjoyed but only enjoys.

> No attachment because she contains everything and is inwardly

turnend.

>

> Maybe more later....

>

>

>

>

> , "NMadasamy"

<nmadasamy@s...>

> wrote:

> > mahahradanatha wrote: I have found out that the exact opposite

of

> > Seriousness is sincerity

> >

> > Like our great great grandfather Dattatreya is described as:

> >

> > dattatreya hare krishna unmattanandadayaka digambara mune

> balapisaca

> > jnanasagara

> >

> > we should try to follow his example and return to innocence and

> > Immortality.

> >

> > Which throws additional light on why our beautiful lady is not

> older

> > than 16 years.....

> >

> > Sri vidya and Tantra contains a biological science concerned

with

> > the hormonal cycle and its change in puberty where chemical

> > inhibitors are produced in the brain to allow our

normal "serious"

> > adult functioning.

> >

> > The yound child the kumari and the bhairav are the oracles of

the

> > divine because in childhood the Amrit Hormone is still produced -

> > thats why the first menstruation or ejaculation marks the fall

from

> > innocence being the outward sign of the biological change.

> >

> > We need Yoga or sadhana to reprogram the body (and soul and

mind )

> > to again return to that state of Sahaja (Spontaneous Naturalness)

> >

> >

> >

> > ************************

> >

> > hmmmmmmm now we are getting serious. Thanks for that insight

> > especially on Kumari. Ive been doing a lot of thinking about

> > Kumari. Somebody asked me about the significant of the Kumari

Pooja

> > [ see pics in our photo gallery] several days back. I wanted to

go

> > via the biological approach but my anatomy and physiology has

gone

> > rusty at this moment.

> >

> > I decided to go back to the siva sutra which reads : IcchA

Saktir

> > umA KumAri

> >

> > The eternal state is his whose mind has ascended by Yoga the

> Supreme

> > BhairavatA [an aspect of Siva]. To that Yogin the energy of

desire

> > comes by degrees, that energy is called ParAbhattArikA {Supreme

> > Queen]. She is known as the 'unmarried' [Kumari]. As Sport, she

> > creates the universe from SadAsiva to the earth [36 tattvas];

hence

> > she is kumAri. She destroys [mArayate] the ground [ku] of the

great

> > illusion [hence she is kumAri]. KumAri is enjoyer of everything.

> > KumAri is not to be enjoyed by the Yogin who is the Bhairava

> > himself, who can enjoy everything [except kumAri] as she is one

> with

> > the enjoyer. KumAri is umA, she who has renouncedd all

attachment

> > and is chiefly devoted to the Lord. Such is the IcchAsakti in

> > Yogins; this is the easy path discovered by the great teachers

> > [anuttaradesikas]"

> >

> > KumAri is umA, she who has renouncedd all attachment and is

chiefly

> > devoted to the Lord.

> >

> > [above translated into english with introduction by Jaideva

Singh.

> > From the text of the Sutras and the commentary Vimarsini of

> > KsemarAja]

> >

> > If you look at the story of Kumari. When Punyakshi learned of

the

> > divine deception, her fury knew no bounds. She kicked over the

pots

> > of food prepared for her wedding celebration -- and they turned

> into

> > the colored sands found on the southern shores of India to this

> day.

> > Several demons offered to marry her instead and satisfy her

> > longings, but she became enraged at their audacity and tore out

> > their hearts. She then stood on the seashore beside her village,

> > facing the sea, and vowed not to move until she was reunited

with

> > her Shiva at the end of time. The scholar Devdutt Patatnaik

> > observes, "The cult of the virgin is popular in many parts of

> India.

> > It is believed that when a woman does not enjoy the company of

> > husband and children, her creative energy bottles up inside her

and

> > becomes destructive. This bottled energy is feared and hence

> > worshiped."

> >

> > As I see it, kumari is the Supreme Power that you seek to

invoke

> > inorder to help you to remain focus in your sadhana. She remain

fix

> > to be united with Siva and no other, the other devas tried to

> > persuade her, the demons tried to pacify her by offering to

> > marry her, all are being torn into pieces by her.

> >

> > Is SHE angry because she cannot get married?

> >

> > No I believe Her fury is towards those who think her

love/devotion

> > towards Siva is superficial. If your love is pure, it can never

be

> > replace by another.

> >

> > She is the DEVI that breaks all illusion

> >

> > Maybe time to open up those pathophysiology book again. It might

> > help to explain a lot of things.

> >

> > What do you all think?