Important Questions on use of Mantras

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yes there are yantras and prayogas attached to each sloka of SL

 

kesava Prasaad <keshavaprasadkh wrote:

Hello,

A few years back I saw book on tantric yoga,written and published by

some Delhi based publishers.

That book gave some mantras and corresponding yantras annd bija

mantras for certain siddhis.

But later I found that all those so called matras are the verses taken

from soundaryalahiri,I do not remember the author mentioning its name

or the name of Sankaracharya!.I have read Saunderyalahari but I don't

know wether Sankaracharya gave any yantras along with those slokas.

so there are so many books of tantra and mantra, But it is hard to

make out which author is resercher and which author is remixer!.(after

all remixing is a success formula these days).

 

K H K

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "just4amusement"

<just4amusement> wrote:

> " I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite

> good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum

> for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and

> 2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have

> still not attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by

> the goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over

> lifetimes. All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has

> worked toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my

> karma and I am still not sinless."

>

>

> Swami Sivananda says that one should perform Japa with

> one-pointed devotion and humility, specifically, "Do the Japa with

> feeling. You must have the same flow of love and respect in your

> heart at the time of thinking of or remembering His Name as you

> naturally may have in your heart at the time when you really see

> Him."

>

> Did those 'good ones' meet these requirement?

>

>

>

>

> , Dev Maharaj

> <dev_maharaj> wrote:

> > Namaskaar

> >

> > I agree with this opinion, the name of the text specifically is

> Mantra Mahodadhi - 2 Vols excellent material. But I want to

> further caution you, if you think the practice of mantras are for

> curiosities, better rethink this. I have on one occasion ativated a

> mantra and was not too mentally stable for about three months !

> ( Ok fellows, have a few laughs).

> >

> > This requires serious discipline, I have practiced for 16 years

> now and just about every time I think I got it just right , Ma

throws

> in a new twist for me. One of the things I want to make you aware

> of is this.

> >

> > I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite

> good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum

> for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and

> 2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have

> still not

> > attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the

> goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes.

> All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has worked

> toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my karma

> and I am still not sinless.

> >

> > My advice to you is to begin this practice as a means of doing

> exactly this. Siddhis if misused can actually bring further bad

> karma to you. When you are ready MA will let you know how and

> when to use these mantras safely.

> >

> > Dhanyavaad

> > Pandit Devindra Maharaj

 

 

 

 

 

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Bija Mantras are embedded in all Saguna Mantras. AUM is a Bija

Mantra. Serious Hatha Yogins use Bija Mantras with each

asana. So, we use Bija Mantras, all the time as a matter of

course.

 

, "Mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> Len,

>

> I have never heard that getting mantra diksha empowers you to

use bija mantras. Neither Amma, nor anyone around Her states

this to my knowledge.

>

> But it may be fine for you to use them. Don't know what you are

trying to accomplish though.

[Guest guest]

In most cases, I've used bijas to express bhakti for

admired deities. Sometimes I use elemental bijas to

energize the appropriate chakras.

 

--- Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote:

> Len,

>

> I have never heard that getting mantra diksha

> empowers you to use bija mantras. Neither Amma, nor

> anyone around Her states this to my knowledge.

>

> But it may be fine for you to use them. Don't know

> what you are trying to accomplish though.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Not fully accurate.

 

She has fully qualified and trained priests in her Brahmasthanam

temples across India including Amritapuri. I do not know if these

priests are brahmacharis / brahmacharinis also or not, but I would

not be surprised if they are.

 

not sure if any accompany her for tours across the world or not,

likely not.

 

 

 

 

, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...>

wrote:

> There are no "priests" around Amma whatsoever.

> -

> Mary Ann

>

> Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:21 AM

> Re: Important Questions on use of

Mantras

>

>

> Is the word "priest" applicable to Amma's assistants, swamis,

etc.?

> I ask b/c to me it implies a go-between that, frankly, may not

be

> reliable. Better to get the info directly from Amma, if possible.

>

> , Len Rosenberg

> <kalipadma108> wrote:

> >

> > One of the priests who gave mantra instruction for

> > Amma implied as much.

> >

> > -- Len/ Kalipadma

> >

> >

> > --- Mahamuni <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > Len wrote:

> > >

> > > But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be

> > > permission to

> > > use Bija mantras in other prayers, too.

> > >

> > >

> > > What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma

> > > about this? Just curious...

> > >

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Yes, that is correct. Those would be "priests". I forgot about those. No,

they don't travel with Amma.

 

Thanks,

 

Surya

 

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manoj_menon

Monday, September 12, 2005 7:51 AM

Re: Important Questions on use of Mantras

 

 

Not fully accurate.

 

She has fully qualified and trained priests in her Brahmasthanam

temples across India including Amritapuri. I do not know if these

priests are brahmacharis / brahmacharinis also or not, but I would

not be surprised if they are.

 

not sure if any accompany her for tours across the world or not,

likely not.

[Guest guest]

Whatever works for you.

 

My whole point was that don't get this confused with saying that Amma empowered

you to do this or you were instructed that this was the case.

 

Just my comments. TAke them for what they are worth to you.

 

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Len Rosenberg

Monday, September 12, 2005 7:08 AM

Re: Important Questions on use of Mantras

 

 

 

In most cases, I've used bijas to express bhakti for

admired deities. Sometimes I use elemental bijas to

energize the appropriate chakras.

 

--- Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote:

> Len,

>

> I have never heard that getting mantra diksha

> empowers you to use bija mantras. Neither Amma, nor

> anyone around Her states this to my knowledge.

>

> But it may be fine for you to use them. Don't know

> what you are trying to accomplish though.

[Guest guest]

AUM is the ultimate bija; it is also called the pranava.

 

like with maha-mantras, AUM does not need any intiation etc. AUM is

who we are (that's what the wise say atleast), so chanting AUM only

fills us up with ourselves.

 

But for other bijas (AIM, KLIM, KREEM HREEM etc which are used as

part of mantras), it is said that initiation is definitely

preferred, if not always required. (never sure of what is required

or not; my thumb rule: when in doubt, better to get initiated!)

 

 

 

, "just4amusement"

<just4amusement> wrote:

> Bija Mantras are embedded in all Saguna Mantras. AUM is a Bija

> Mantra. Serious Hatha Yogins use Bija Mantras with each

> asana. So, we use Bija Mantras, all the time as a matter of

> course.

>

> , "Mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > Len,

> >

> > I have never heard that getting mantra diksha empowers you to

> use bija mantras. Neither Amma, nor anyone around Her states

> this to my knowledge.

> >

> > But it may be fine for you to use them. Don't know what you are

> trying to accomplish though.

[Guest guest]

"serious" hatha yogins? From my experience, each authentic lineage that

utilizes Hatha practices does so differently, according to their

tradition/Parampara. One shouldn't speak for all or say things like "serious"

Hatha Yogins. There are serious Hatha Yogins that don't use bijas this way.

 

-

just4amusement

Monday, September 12, 2005 6:46 AM

Re: Important Questions on use of Mantras

 

 

Bija Mantras are embedded in all Saguna Mantras. AUM is a Bija

Mantra. Serious Hatha Yogins use Bija Mantras with each

asana. So, we use Bija Mantras, all the time as a matter of

course.

 

, "Mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> Len,

>

> I have never heard that getting mantra diksha empowers you to

use bija mantras. Neither Amma, nor anyone around Her states

this to my knowledge.

>

> But it may be fine for you to use them. Don't know what you are

trying to accomplish though.

[Guest guest]

I'm not quite sure what your objects are with the term 'serious

Hatha Yogins'. There are many dilettantes and New Agers taking

Yoga classes who have never heard of Bija Mantras, never mind

considered using them during their practice. The terminology I

used was intended to differentiate these groups from the more

focused and informed Hatha Yoga practitioners.

 

If there are serious Hatha Yogins who do not use Bija Mantras I

would like to know about them.

 

As one of the main objectives of all Yogic paths is to restrain the

ego, I suggest that from your willingness to use the tone that you

do and your willingness to legislate what others should or

should not say, that you have some long way to go in the effort to

control your ego.

 

Hari Aum

 

 

 

, "Mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> "serious" hatha yogins? From my experience, each authentic

lineage that utilizes Hatha practices does so differently,

according to their tradition/Parampara. One shouldn't speak for

all or say things like "serious" Hatha Yogins. There are serious

Hatha Yogins that don't use bijas this way.

>

> -

> just4amusement

>

> Monday, September 12, 2005 6:46 AM

> Re: Important Questions on use of

Mantras

>

>

> Bija Mantras are embedded in all Saguna Mantras. AUM is a

Bija

> Mantra. Serious Hatha Yogins use Bija Mantras with each

> asana. So, we use Bija Mantras, all the time as a matter of

> course.

>

> , "Mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > Len,

> >

> > I have never heard that getting mantra diksha empowers

you to

> use bija mantras. Neither Amma, nor anyone around Her

states

> this to my knowledge.

> >

> > But it may be fine for you to use them. Don't know what you

are

> trying to accomplish though.

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

I am always amazed when the tone of an email is completely misinterpreted to

mean something different than what it was intended.

 

I was not referring to the multitude of westerners taking "Hatha Yoga" classes.

To me, these are just Asana classes, mostly for exercise, though some utilize

some type of pranayam in a good or bad way. They do have great benefits, but

they are not true Hatha Yoga, as I understand it.

 

I am not sure what your experience is or your understanding of Hatha Yoga and

what few lineages of Indian Sadhus stress such things. I just don't like to see

things misrepresented by speaking for all of a certain group as you did.

 

My ego is far from being restrained, but instead of attacking and finding faults

with others in this way, you should direct your energy back towards yourself as

this will be more helpful to you.

 

Jai Maa!

 

Surya

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just4amusement

Monday, September 12, 2005 6:04 PM

Re: Important Questions on use of Mantras

 

 

I'm not quite sure what your objects are with the term 'serious

Hatha Yogins'. There are many dilettantes and New Agers taking

Yoga classes who have never heard of Bija Mantras, never mind

considered using them during their practice. The terminology I

used was intended to differentiate these groups from the more

focused and informed Hatha Yoga practitioners.

 

If there are serious Hatha Yogins who do not use Bija Mantras I

would like to know about them.

 

As one of the main objectives of all Yogic paths is to restrain the

ego, I suggest that from your willingness to use the tone that you

do and your willingness to legislate what others should or

should not say, that you have some long way to go in the effort to

control your ego.

 

Hari Aum

 

 

 

, "Mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> "serious" hatha yogins? From my experience, each authentic

lineage that utilizes Hatha practices does so differently,

according to their tradition/Parampara. One shouldn't speak for

all or say things like "serious" Hatha Yogins. There are serious

Hatha Yogins that don't use bijas this way.

>

> -

> just4amusement

>

> Monday, September 12, 2005 6:46 AM

> Re: Important Questions on use of

Mantras

>

>

> Bija Mantras are embedded in all Saguna Mantras. AUM is a

Bija

> Mantra. Serious Hatha Yogins use Bija Mantras with each

> asana. So, we use Bija Mantras, all the time as a matter of

> course.

>

> , "Mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > Len,

> >

> > I have never heard that getting mantra diksha empowers

you to

> use bija mantras. Neither Amma, nor anyone around Her

states

> this to my knowledge.

> >

> > But it may be fine for you to use them. Don't know what you

are

> trying to accomplish though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shakthas,

 

When my quest towards Devi started, I was advised to chant bija of my ishta

devata by a respected siddha. I was told that just chanting bija alone or in

combination does not require diksha or initiation and as long as it is not being

done to hurt anyone or wrong purpose, they work extremely well & rather quickly.

I know it worked for me because i came in contact with a guru who has made my

quest a reality. Initiation is required when a mantra has words in addition to

bija.

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AUM is the ultimate bija; it is also called the pranava.

 

like with maha-mantras, AUM does not need any intiation etc. AUM is

who we are (that's what the wise say atleast), so chanting AUM only

fills us up with ourselves.

 

But for other bijas (AIM, KLIM, KREEM HREEM etc which are used as

part of mantras), it is said that initiation is definitely

preferred, if not always required. (never sure of what is required

or not; my thumb rule: when in doubt, better to get initiated!)

 

 

 

, "just4amusement"

<just4amusement> wrote:

> Bija Mantras are embedded in all Saguna Mantras. AUM is a Bija

> Mantra. Serious Hatha Yogins use Bija Mantras with each

> asana. So, we use Bija Mantras, all the time as a matter of

> course.

>

> , "Mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > Len,

> >

> > I have never heard that getting mantra diksha empowers you to

> use bija mantras. Neither Amma, nor anyone around Her states

> this to my knowledge.

> >

> > But it may be fine for you to use them. Don't know what you are

> trying to accomplish though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit your group "" on the web.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

As you point out yourself, "My ego is far from being restrained".

Apparently, it could not stand my identifying its inappropriate

display in this thread and is not being pompous.

 

While you agree with my assessment of many of the western

approaches to Hatha Yoga, you have not responded to my query

about which serious Hatha Yogins do not use Bija Mantras as

you claim, especially in Pranayama.

 

We can, I hope, agree that Hatha Yoga goes beyond

asana/pranayama, must be based on the Yamas and Niyamas

and must extend through Pratyahara to Dharana, Dhyana and

Samadhi. We can also, I hope, agree that the methodology of

Hatha Yoga is the creation, storage and free movement of Prana.

 

Getting back on the track of this thread, which is the use of Bija

Mantras, it should be remembered that we use a Bija Mantra

with each breath that we take. Bija Mantras are a part of our

being and our physical existence. They are not to be feared by

the person who has grounded himself/herself in the eight limbs

of Raja Yoga.

 

 

 

, "Mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> Sir,

>

> I am always amazed when the tone of an email is completely

misinterpreted to mean something different than what it was

intended.

>

> I was not referring to the multitude of westerners taking "Hatha

Yoga" classes. To me, these are just Asana classes, mostly for

exercise, though some utilize some type of pranayam in a good

or bad way. They do have great benefits, but they are not true

Hatha Yoga, as I understand it.

>

> I am not sure what your experience is or your understanding of

Hatha Yoga and what few lineages of Indian Sadhus stress

such things. I just don't like to see things misrepresented by

speaking for all of a certain group as you did.

>

> My ego is far from being restrained, but instead of attacking

and finding faults with others in this way, you should direct your

energy back towards yourself as this will be more helpful to you.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Surya