Mata Amritanandamayi unhurt in attack

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Amritanandamayi unhurt in attack

Last Updated: August 22, 2005 00:10 IST

 

 

A man tried to attack Mata Amritanandamayi, one of India's best-

known spiritual figures, on Sunday evening, but was overpowered by

her disciples.

 

The incident occurred during a prayer and bhajan event at the Mata's

Vallikkav Ashram in Kerala's Kollam district.

 

Police officers have taken custody of the attacker and say

Amritanandamayi is unhurt and safe.

 

[....]

 

"The attack on our Amma has been foiled. Amma is safe and sound. And

she has forgiven the man who tried to attack her," [said an

associate.] [....]

 

Full article:

 

http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/21mata.htm

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do u notice the complete lack of details of the attacker? In India this can mean

only one thing. It is when the perpetrator/s belong to Muslim community that one

avoids details. Then there will either be no mention of community or they will

say something else. Hope that is not so.

 

msbauju <msbauju wrote:

Amritanandamayi unhurt in attack

Last Updated: August 22, 2005 00:10 IST

 

 

A man tried to attack Mata Amritanandamayi, one of India's best-

known spiritual figures, on Sunday evening, but was overpowered by

her disciples.

 

The incident occurred during a prayer and bhajan event at the Mata's

Vallikkav Ashram in Kerala's Kollam district.

 

Police officers have taken custody of the attacker and say

Amritanandamayi is unhurt and safe.

 

[....]

 

"The attack on our Amma has been foiled. Amma is safe and sound. And

she has forgiven the man who tried to attack her," [said an

associate.] [....]

 

Full article:

 

http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/21mata.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> do u notice the complete lack of details of the attacker? In India

this can mean only one thing. It is when the perpetrator/s belong to

Muslim community that one avoids details. Then there will either be no

mention of community or they will say something else. Hope that is not

so.

 

 

This is bound to happen right? It is much easier to advocate hate and

war then peace. She is definitely the target for those who dosent like

peace, love and compassion. People who dont like to see others live in

harmony.

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Further update

 

http://www.hindu.com/2005/08/22/stories/2005082206731200.htm

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Maybe the attacker was/is mentally ill; that appears to be the

theory of the associate of Mata Amritanandamayi who was interviewed

in the article. I had trimmed out many of the article details for

brevity:

 

[....] The police said the attacker, whose name is reported to be

Pavithran, has been staying at the Ashram for some days.

 

Hailing from Idukki district in Kerala, the attacker sat among the

followers praying and singing in front of Amritanadamayi who was

seated on the dais.

 

Suddenly, he jumped up and rushed to Amritanandamayi with a knife.

But before he could reach her, a group of disciples around

Amritanandamayi overpowered him.

 

[....] [The spokesperson] felt the person who tried to attack

Amritanandamayi was of "unstable mind." [....]

 

http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/21mata.htm

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

>

> This is bound to happen right?

> It is much easier to advocate hate and

> war then peace. She is definitely the

> target for those who dosent like

> peace, love and compassion.

> People who don't like to see others live in

> harmony.

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msbauju" [....] [The spokesperson] felt the person who tried to attack

Amritanandamayi was of "unstable mind." [....]

 

 

 

Interesting terminology used by persons who is not a medical

personnel. Somebody who is of "unstable" mind is actually more stable

then those who are not. Asked those who have worked in a mental

institute and they will tell you. Anyway I am happy Amma is alright.

Lets pray for her safety and well being. Nothing is more powerful than

the protective shield of love and care we put forth for her so that

she can continue to shower her continous compassion to us all.

[Guest guest]

My goodness; the news is full of this now:

 

Mata attacker `mentally unstable'

 

Posted online: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 0000 hours IST

 

KOCHI, AUGUST 22: The man who knifed two volunteers before he was

overpowered just a few feet away from spiritual leader Mata

Amritanandamayi last evening had a history of mental illness, police

sources said today.

 

This morning, Mata Amritanandamayi made a public statement, asking

that the man be pardoned and let off. But the police produced him in

court which remanded him in judicial custody for 14 days.

 

The math functionaries appeared jolted by the abortive attack. Swami

Amritakripanandapuri, the Math trust's vice-chief, insisted that the

incident can't be robbed of its seriousness merely on the insanity

plea.

 

The attacker, 47-year-old Pavithran, a rubber tapper in Idukki, had

been under psychiatric medication for years, and had a police record

too. He was arrested for stabbing a neighbour in 1985, but was

acquitted. Pavithran had been frequenting the Mata's ashram for many

months now and had been turned away last week, math sources said.

 

Amritakripanandapuri, however, maintained that no senior math

functionary could recall seeing Pavithran in the premises earlier.

 

The cops don't want to take chances, but have now run into a

deadend. ``We want to work on comprehensive security for her,

including metal detectors and frisking of all devotees. But that can

be only if the math agrees,'' a senior officer said.

 

Mata Amritanandamayi, however, openly dismissed suggestions for

stepping up security in the ashram. ``There is no need to increase

security for me just because of yesterday's incident. I don't want

that,'' she said in a televised statement.

 

As things stand, there is hardly any security cover for her, except a

few unarmed cops in the premises. Math sources pointed out that the

main ashram in Vallikkavu and its many satellite centres elsewhere

have thousands of visitors streaming in, and the Mata personally hugs

and blesses each one of them, right through the day till late night.

 

``It is vital that we make sure she is safe. We hope the police would

be able to persuade her at a meeting slated for tomorrow,'' they said.

 

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76777

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msbauju wrote: The attacker, 47-year-old Pavithran, a rubber tapper

in

Idukki, had been under psychiatric medication for years, and had a

police record too. He was arrested for stabbing a neighbour in 1985,

but was acquitted. Pavithran had been frequenting the Mata's ashram

for many months now and had been turned away last week, math

sources

said.

 

 

Yeah Ive been thinking about this incident too. Some questions keep

on poping in my head : Why would a Mother turn away her child who is

in need? Would this incident gives the people around her especially

her lieutants to be more protective of her, thus making it more

difficult for other to get access to her. Ive watch when Amma visits

malaysia, how they circle around her, pushing others harshly when

they tried to be near her. Just when we thought ah! this is a good

organisation. A noble organisation, suddenly something like this

happen, it makes us think for a moment, dont you agree?

 

Ive been a volunteer in a children home for several years now. A so

called role model home. The place well maintain and well organize.

The funds that are coming in are promising. They have a successful

chinese businesswoman as the Chairman of the fund committee. And

then suddenly something happen triggered by a "mentally immature

child-woman" so they say, the Fund Chairman found out that she is

being lied to. Not only her but the whole commitee is being lied to

by the Chairman and the Administrator. What happen? When they dig

further, they found out that funds : cash and kind are being

secretly diverted out of the home.

 

Is this the tip of the iceberg? Perhaps Devi is trying to tell us

something?

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, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

> Why would a Mother turn away her child who is in need?

 

There is some contradicting info here vis-a-vis Pavithran, and that

needs to be sorted out before one can assume that he was indeed a

regular visitor. At ny rate, people are often turned away when they

break some of the rules that sustain the organization; I think

everyone understands that. It is reasonable to assume that the same

happened here and not something fishy, UNLESS we already know

something is fishy.

> Ive watch when Amma visits malaysia, how they circle around her,

> pushing others harshly when they tried to be near her. Just when

> we thought ah! this is a good organisation. A noble organisation,

> suddenly something like this happen, it makes us think for a

> moment, dont you agree? Is this the tip of the iceberg? Perhaps

> Devi is trying to tell us something?

 

Not sure how many in the list is aware, but as an introduction, let

me mention that Amma goes around the world giving them blessings in

the form of hugging individually. In India and Malayasia, crowds of

20k+ people have been blessed like that 1 night (in a sitting of non-

stop 18 - 24 hours).

 

Coming back to your comment, the issue is not one of lack of love;

it's a lack of time. These people are given the task of "moving" the

line of 20,000 + people efficiently. How do you achieve it? And I

know from close observation, that Amma is constantly berating them

for lack of attention at the job, in an attempt to make these people

completely one-pointed in any job they undertake. what wonderful

training! Just imagine the stress of being shouted at in front of

atleast 50-100 people throughout the night.....

 

Amma is very impersonal when she is shouting at the volunteers to

improve (Guru Bhava - the mood of the Guru), the very next moment

she is very loving to the next person in line (Matru/Devi Bhava -

the mood of the mother). She is amazingly flexible and snaps in an

out of each mood in record time. It is not insincerity but rather it

is the mark of a Supreme Saakshi Bhava (witness mood where the

emotions on her countenance are but a reflection of the thoughts of

the person/item her attention focusses on for the moment).

 

Point is, it is difficult to be sweety-sweety when one has to manage

such large crowds in such short time. What matters to them is that

they are able to get everybody to obtain Amma's blessings, not make

smiley and sweety gestures and polite requests ..... Such actions

can't be the basis for determining if an org is good or not.

 

Hope this has helped all somewhat in knowing more about Amma;

atleast that was the intention.

 

Jai Ma!

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HI

 

Can you please tell some thing .......

 

during tsunami, when the tides came up to the ashram of mata amritanandamayi,

why did she not warn everyone before in advance then lives would have been saved

near the seashore

 

cannot the destiny be wiped off if the saint was the divine mother itself

 

I am not doubting her supreme devotion/compassion but this thought comes in my

mind

 

regards

vikram

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manoj_menon wrote: Point is, it is difficult to be sweety-sweety

when

one has to manage such large crowds in such short time. What matters

to them is that they are able to get everybody to obtain Amma's

blessings, not make smiley and sweety gestures and polite

requests ..... Such actions can't be the basis for determining if an

org is good or not.

 

 

But it does. It does gives you the idea of the attitute of the whole

organisation on the whole. Sometimes you never see the true nature

of a person until they are given a situation. You observe from

within, I observe from without. Sitting there on the outside and

just observe the actions of every one, and this is what I see. Sorry

if my observation seems unpleasant to some. I do what my instincts

tells me.

 

I am not here to say that Amma org. is bad that was never my

intention. I know SHE have done great things to many people. Have

bring comfort and love to thousand. My comments is that sometime

things happen to make us to reflect back at our actions. Make

corrections and improve the defects. Many like to be praise, nobody

likes to be criticise. But sometimes criticisism is good, because it

makes us to really look at ourselves and finds ways of how we can

improve so that we can better serve the whole humanity at large.

 

There are some fruits, smells nice and taste nice but only up to a

certain layer, thereafter once you cut further, what you see are

worms.

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Amma's swamis and other helping peoples are not Amma herself; I feel

this is important to note. I don't think it can be guaranteed that

Amma is aware of how exactly things are conveyed by her helpers, or

how the information is coming across to those who are there to see

her. For example, in 2003, when I first went to see Amma, I got a

major leg cramp while watching Amma give darshan. I asked if there

were any bodyworkers there to help me. "No, Amma is against that!"

Last year and this year, they were calling for bodyworkers and

massage therapists to donate their skills for the attendees in order

to generate donations, and for the helpers (who were under stress

during the tour).

 

This year, I was put in charge of sharing informational sheets about

mantras, to hand them out to people in the darshan line. In 2003, I

found a pamphlet lying on a table and decided to request a mantra.

So I mentioned it to one of the helpers: "You know, it could also be

helpful to have some of these sheets available on one or some of the

tables in the back." "No! Amma has said that this is how she wants

it!" Hm, really? Maybe, but again, I'm not so sure it was meant as

the dogma it is conveyed as by the "helper."

 

I've also on more than one occasion gone up to swamis and asked for

assistance, only to be "hit" with major egoism and/or rebuff. Oh,

well! That hasn't stopped me from moving forward and allowing Amma

to enrich my life because that is not Amma.

 

, "manoj_menon" <ammasmon@s...>

wrote:

> , "NMadasamy"

<nmadasamy@s...>

> wrote:

> > Why would a Mother turn away her child who is in need?

>

> There is some contradicting info here vis-a-vis Pavithran, and

that

> needs to be sorted out before one can assume that he was indeed a

> regular visitor. At ny rate, people are often turned away when

they

> break some of the rules that sustain the organization; I think

> everyone understands that. It is reasonable to assume that the

same

> happened here and not something fishy, UNLESS we already know

> something is fishy.

>

> > Ive watch when Amma visits malaysia, how they circle around her,

> > pushing others harshly when they tried to be near her. Just when

> > we thought ah! this is a good organisation. A noble

organisation,

> > suddenly something like this happen, it makes us think for a

> > moment, dont you agree? Is this the tip of the iceberg? Perhaps

> > Devi is trying to tell us something?

>

> Not sure how many in the list is aware, but as an introduction,

let

> me mention that Amma goes around the world giving them blessings

in

> the form of hugging individually. In India and Malayasia, crowds

of

> 20k+ people have been blessed like that 1 night (in a sitting of

non-

> stop 18 - 24 hours).

>

> Coming back to your comment, the issue is not one of lack of love;

> it's a lack of time. These people are given the task of "moving"

the

> line of 20,000 + people efficiently. How do you achieve it? And I

> know from close observation, that Amma is constantly berating them

> for lack of attention at the job, in an attempt to make these

people

> completely one-pointed in any job they undertake. what wonderful

> training! Just imagine the stress of being shouted at in front of

> atleast 50-100 people throughout the night.....

>

> Amma is very impersonal when she is shouting at the volunteers to

> improve (Guru Bhava - the mood of the Guru), the very next moment

> she is very loving to the next person in line (Matru/Devi Bhava -

> the mood of the mother). She is amazingly flexible and snaps in an

> out of each mood in record time. It is not insincerity but rather

it

> is the mark of a Supreme Saakshi Bhava (witness mood where the

> emotions on her countenance are but a reflection of the thoughts

of

> the person/item her attention focusses on for the moment).

>

> Point is, it is difficult to be sweety-sweety when one has to

manage

> such large crowds in such short time. What matters to them is that

> they are able to get everybody to obtain Amma's blessings, not

make

> smiley and sweety gestures and polite requests ..... Such actions

> can't be the basis for determining if an org is good or not.

>

> Hope this has helped all somewhat in knowing more about Amma;

> atleast that was the intention.

>

> Jai Ma!

[Guest guest]

And why didn't Jesus just not let the crucifixion happen? Who knows

the answer? Maybe some of the fundies can help us out :-P

 

, vikram vanam

<vikram_vanam2005> wrote:

> HI

>

> Can you please tell some thing .......

>

> during tsunami, when the tides came up to the ashram of mata

amritanandamayi, why did she not warn everyone before in advance

then lives would have been saved near the seashore

>

> cannot the destiny be wiped off if the saint was the divine mother

itself

>

> I am not doubting her supreme devotion/compassion but this thought

comes in my mind

>

> regards

> vikram

[Guest guest]

Mary Ann wrote:And why didn't Jesus just not let the crucifixion

happen? Who knows the answer? Maybe some of the fundies can help us

out :-P

 

 

Im being told, Jesus knows that he will be crucifix and as such do

nothing to run from it, because that is the only way to save

humanity, so they say!

 

Hey! im not a fundies, but only a funder sometimes, that if I have the

money, otherwise im just a funky old fool.

[Guest guest]

So, allowing the tragedy furthers the cause of the salvation of

humanity. What a great explanation Thank you Ms. FOF (Funky Old

Fool) LOL !

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

> Mary Ann wrote:And why didn't Jesus just not let the crucifixion

> happen? Who knows the answer? Maybe some of the fundies can help us

> out :-P

>

>

> Im being told, Jesus knows that he will be crucifix and as such do

> nothing to run from it, because that is the only way to save

> humanity, so they say!

>

> Hey! im not a fundies, but only a funder sometimes, that if I have

the

> money, otherwise im just a funky old fool.

[Guest guest]

I was thinking about this the other day in terms of Gurumayi, who

told a story of being on her way to one of her meetings with the

public. A woman came up to her on the road begging for help.

Gurumayi told the woman she could not help her, and left for her

meeting, for which she was on time, thank goodness! Her message was

that there were hundreds awaiting her, and she could not stop for

that one. This really seems to contradict a divine message. What

would a few minutes have been, ultimately? Or, even to bring that

woman to the meeting so she could be enriched by the teachings

there, if not in a one-on-one at an inopportune moment. But that was

the decision Gurumayi made that day in that moment, and she shared

it, for all to make of it what they will.

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

> manoj_menon wrote: Point is, it is difficult to be sweety-sweety

> when

> one has to manage such large crowds in such short time. What

matters

> to them is that they are able to get everybody to obtain Amma's

> blessings, not make smiley and sweety gestures and polite

> requests ..... Such actions can't be the basis for determining if

an

> org is good or not.

>

>

> But it does. It does gives you the idea of the attitute of the

whole

> organisation on the whole. Sometimes you never see the true nature

> of a person until they are given a situation. You observe from

> within, I observe from without. Sitting there on the outside and

> just observe the actions of every one, and this is what I see.

Sorry

> if my observation seems unpleasant to some. I do what my instincts

> tells me.

>

> I am not here to say that Amma org. is bad that was never my

> intention. I know SHE have done great things to many people. Have

> bring comfort and love to thousand. My comments is that sometime

> things happen to make us to reflect back at our actions. Make

> corrections and improve the defects. Many like to be praise,

nobody

> likes to be criticise. But sometimes criticisism is good, because

it

> makes us to really look at ourselves and finds ways of how we can

> improve so that we can better serve the whole humanity at large.

>

> There are some fruits, smells nice and taste nice but only up to a

> certain layer, thereafter once you cut further, what you see are

> worms.

[Guest guest]

but we must also remember from the life of Sri Ramakrishna paramahamsa that he

said to one of his disciples that he had come down as Jesus christ and he also

had come down as Sri chaitanya mahaprabhu

 

Although I appreciate that to consider one guru as near to jesus christ is good

for progress but so far I dare say that the christians have not deciphered the

bible as the hindu mystics have done and as Sri ramakrishna said that when such

incarnations of God come they take back people more in number ie liberation than

the self advanced saints and he also said that the saints are like bees taking

nectar from different sources while the incarnations come for special mission

 

I attended one of the lectures by mata amritanandamayi where she said that

suffering can be relieved by offering worship to planets

 

If I worship the divine mother I need not worship even the Trinity gods ( as

quoted from soundaryalahiri) who preside over the planets

 

So I dont believe if holy people convey to there followers to worship the

planets

 

regards

vikram

[Guest guest]

, vikram vanam

<vikram_vanam2005> wrote:

> HI

>

> Can you please tell some thing .......

>

> during tsunami, when the tides came up to the ashram of mata

amritanandamayi, why did she not warn everyone before in advance

then lives would have been saved near the seashore

>

> cannot the destiny be wiped off if the saint was the divine mother

itself

>

> I am not doubting her supreme devotion/compassion but this thought

comes in my mind

>

> regards

> vikram

 

There can be no single answer that will satisfy everybody. So none

will be offered. .

 

It is really upto you to solve the question for yourself. faith may

prove to be the key.

[Guest guest]

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

> But it does. It does gives you the idea of the attitute of the whole

> organisation on the whole. Sometimes you never see the true nature

> of a person until they are given a situation. You observe from

> within, I observe from without. Sitting there on the outside and

> just observe the actions of every one, and this is what I see. Sorry

> if my observation seems unpleasant to some. I do what my instincts

> tells me.

>

 

I never tire of telling this to people. As Mary Ann also said, don't

mistake Amma and her follwers as one. Don't mistake the actions of her

followers as representative of the org, simply because they are also

bumbling on their path as we all are. Most are imperfect and for the

most part, working hard to be deserving, and are glad that Amma is

there.

 

if you insist on judging representatives, then I would very

tentatively suggest that you look up to the orange-robed swamis and

swaminis; they are the real fruits of Amma's labor. And without any

questions, look at Amma herself.

 

> There are some fruits, smells nice and taste nice but only up to a

> certain layer, thereafter once you cut further, what you see are

> worms.

 

Exactly. but these worms are no different than the ones we all have.

all of us imperfect folks who are hoping to get perfect. they are no

different than us.

[Guest guest]

Sorry. Hope I am not interfering.

U see it is my opinion that we should not judge ppl or organisations like this.

There is a good and bad side to most people. Our attempt should be to see the

good side and ignore the bad side.

Further who are we to judge. Every one except ppl like Amma have their karmas to

work out.

Let me make it clear I am not a devotee of Amma but I do admire her and do visit

her whenever I am in India.

I have seen the egotistical side of some ppl there. But how am I concerned with

their egos? I have not gone there to see them!! I have gone there to see Amma.

If there is any problem i just retreat without comments. But then i have not had

many problems.

IMHO There is no need to criticize and if criticized no one need defend too.

 

manoj_menon <ammasmon wrote:

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

> But it does. It does gives you the idea of the attitute of the whole

> organisation on the whole. Sometimes you never see the true nature

> of a person until they are given a situation. You observe from

> within, I observe from without. Sitting there on the outside and

> just observe the actions of every one, and this is what I see. Sorry

> if my observation seems unpleasant to some. I do what my instincts

> tells me.

>

 

I never tire of telling this to people. As Mary Ann also said, don't

mistake Amma and her follwers as one. Don't mistake the actions of her

followers as representative of the org, simply because they are also

bumbling on their path as we all are. Most are imperfect and for the

most part, working hard to be deserving, and are glad that Amma is

there.

 

if you insist on judging representatives, then I would very

tentatively suggest that you look up to the orange-robed swamis and

swaminis; they are the real fruits of Amma's labor. And without any

questions, look at Amma herself.

 

> There are some fruits, smells nice and taste nice but only up to a

> certain layer, thereafter once you cut further, what you see are

> worms.

 

Exactly. but these worms are no different than the ones we all have.

all of us imperfect folks who are hoping to get perfect. they are no

different than us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Than you Manoj. I fully agree. There is no need for us to discuss the actions of

great people. As far as I know no saint ever interferes with communal karma

except in very very rare cases. And individual karmas are cleared on a case by

case basis depending on various factors. However we cannot see or understand the

basis of such actions that are only understood by the enlightened. It is only

fools who ask questions like why don't saints alleviate all povert? all disease

etc. We, including the saints are governed by laws and they understand and

follow them we neither understand nor are we capable of following so we are

bound and forced to follow that which we do not understand.

Sorry if I offend any one. i have no intention to offend any one.

manoj_menon <ammasmon wrote:

, vikram vanam

<vikram_vanam2005> wrote:

> HI

>

> Can you please tell some thing .......

>

> during tsunami, when the tides came up to the ashram of mata

amritanandamayi, why did she not warn everyone before in advance

then lives would have been saved near the seashore

>

> cannot the destiny be wiped off if the saint was the divine mother

itself

>

> I am not doubting her supreme devotion/compassion but this thought

comes in my mind

>

> regards

> vikram

 

There can be no single answer that will satisfy everybody. So none

will be offered. .

 

It is really upto you to solve the question for yourself. faith may

prove to be the key.

 

 

 

 

 

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Actually I was kind of joking in what I said, mentioning Jesus, etc.

I was thinking about it later. Why does God allow volcanic eruptions

that decimate villages? Why earthquakes that kill thousands, etc.

etc. etc. It's not an answerable question, and that's why I was

offering it to the Xtian Fundamentalists who always have the most

sensible answers

 

, vikram vanam

<vikram_vanam2005> wrote:

> but we must also remember from the life of Sri Ramakrishna

paramahamsa that he said to one of his disciples that he had come

down as Jesus christ and he also had come down as Sri chaitanya

mahaprabhu

>

> Although I appreciate that to consider one guru as near to jesus

christ is good for progress but so far I dare say that the christians

have not deciphered the bible as the hindu mystics have done and as

Sri ramakrishna said that when such incarnations of God come they

take back people more in number ie liberation than the self advanced

saints and he also said that the saints are like bees taking nectar

from different sources while the incarnations come for special

mission

>

> I attended one of the lectures by mata amritanandamayi where she

said that suffering can be relieved by offering worship to planets

>

> If I worship the divine mother I need not worship even the Trinity

gods ( as quoted from soundaryalahiri) who preside over the planets

>

> So I dont believe if holy people convey to there followers to

worship the planets

>

> regards

> vikram

[Guest guest]

I am replying to Vikram:

 

yes the idea is good; but worship is not "pretending to worship" or mistakenly

believe that you are worshipping. It is real worship. Just mumbling a few bIjas

is not worship. Throwing a few flowers is not worship. Worship has to be with

body mind and soul. If you can do that then you need nothing.

But most ppl, including me, only TRY to worship. So the ideal system oes not

otain for us. So for us advice of saints like amritanandamayi are needed. And we

need to worship other Gods as well and propitiate planets.

If you think ou are so advanced as ppl like amritanandamayi then u need nothing.

U need not even worship HER. Because u are HER. In such a situation everything

is under your control - the whole universe.

Is that the case, Vikram?

 

Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote:

Actually I was kind of joking in what I said, mentioning Jesus, etc. I was

thinking about it later. Why does God allow volcanic eruptions that decimate

villages? Why earthquakes that kill thousands, etc. etc. etc. It's not an

answerable question, and that's why I was offering it to the Xtian

Fundamentalists who always have the most

sensible answers

 

, vikram vanam

<vikram_vanam2005> wrote:

> but we must also remember from the life of Sri Ramakrishna

paramahamsa that he said to one of his disciples that he had come down as Jesus

christ and he also had come down as Sri chaitanya mahaprabhu

>

> Although I appreciate that to consider one guru as near to jesus christ is

good for progress but so far I dare say that the christians have not deciphered

the bible as the hindu mystics have done and as Sri ramakrishna said that when

such incarnations of God come they take back people more in number ie liberation

than the self advanced saints and he also said that the saints are like bees

taking nectar from different sources while the incarnations come for special

mission

>

> I attended one of the lectures by mata amritanandamayi where she said that

suffering can be relieved by offering worship to planets

>

> If I worship the divine mother I need not worship even the Trinity gods ( as

quoted from soundaryalahiri) who preside over the planets

>

> So I dont believe if holy people convey to there followers to worship the

planets

>

> regards

> vikram

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

One thing I have read that Amma said about "the planets" is that

horoscope is not set in stone, that sadhana can change it. I don't

know how that relates to worshiping planets, but I wanted to offer it

here.

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> I am replying to Vikram:

>

> yes the idea is good; but worship is not "pretending to worship" or

mistakenly believe that you are worshipping. It is real worship. Just

mumbling a few bIjas is not worship. Throwing a few flowers is not

worship. Worship has to be with body mind and soul. If you can do

that then you need nothing.

> But most ppl, including me, only TRY to worship. So the ideal

system oes not otain for us. So for us advice of saints like

amritanandamayi are needed. And we need to worship other Gods as well

and propitiate planets.

> If you think ou are so advanced as ppl like amritanandamayi then u

need nothing. U need not even worship HER. Because u are HER. In such

a situation everything is under your control - the whole universe.

> Is that the case, Vikram?

>

> Mary Ann <buttercookie61> wrote:

> Actually I was kind of joking in what I said, mentioning Jesus,

etc. I was thinking about it later. Why does God allow volcanic

eruptions that decimate villages? Why earthquakes that kill

thousands, etc. etc. etc. It's not an answerable question, and that's

why I was offering it to the Xtian Fundamentalists who always have

the most

> sensible answers

>

> , vikram vanam

> <vikram_vanam2005> wrote:

> > but we must also remember from the life of Sri Ramakrishna

> paramahamsa that he said to one of his disciples that he had come

down as Jesus christ and he also had come down as Sri chaitanya

mahaprabhu

> >

> > Although I appreciate that to consider one guru as near to jesus

christ is good for progress but so far I dare say that the christians

have not deciphered the bible as the hindu mystics have done and as

Sri ramakrishna said that when such incarnations of God come they

take back people more in number ie liberation than the self advanced

saints and he also said that the saints are like bees taking nectar

from different sources while the incarnations come for special

mission

> >

> > I attended one of the lectures by mata amritanandamayi where she

said that suffering can be relieved by offering worship to planets

> >

> > If I worship the divine mother I need not worship even the

Trinity gods ( as quoted from soundaryalahiri) who preside over the

planets

> >

> > So I dont believe if holy people convey to there followers to

worship the planets

> >

> > regards

> > vikram

>

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[Guest guest]

manoj_menon wrote: if you insist on judging representatives, then I

would very tentatively suggest that you look up to the orange-robed

swamis and swaminis; they are the real fruits of Amma's labor. And

without any questions, look at Amma herself.

 

 

 

Exactly that is what ive been doing all these years. I look at Amma's

most of the time. Rather difficult from near because often being block

by the yellow robe swamis and other representatives. So I decided to

stay far away where I can get better view of just her.