Sri Ganesha

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Greeting to all.

 

 

N> Ganesha born from Lalitha's Third Eye.

 

Please, tell me more about this or tell where I can read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Vanakkam!

 

You can try this link

 

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/lg/lg_table_of_contents.html

 

Shiv Anurag

 

 

 

 

 

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, RN <PsA-Fomalhaut> wrote:

>

> Greeting to all.

>

>

> N> Ganesha born from Lalitha's Third Eye.

>

> Please, tell me more about this or tell where I can read.

>

Shri Ganesha resides in mooladhara,but is is a quality of the third

eye...you see?..it's about innocence ,child-like state and

forgiveness;

danny

ps...you have to forgive,in order to enter the kingdom of God(within)

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Namaste,

 

The third eye of Lalita is firmly placed in the lap of Uma Parvati,

who raised the Vinayaka Ganesha, in the endless non-manifestation of

her virile Lord Rudra Shiva, by rubbing her own thigh.

 

Lord Ganapati has become the Shakta's own "little" Shiva; self-

generated through the tapasya of Shakti alone.

 

The first Guru is always the Mother, whose own Vidya is Shakta.

And so, the first God to be worshipped must always be Shri Ganesha,

who is truly the Linga of the Goddess.

 

No intimate communication with Deity can occur without first gaining

the attention of Ganesha; and when He is truly pleased, then She will

be happily roused and readily disposed to fulfill all desires!

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KAmesvaramukhAlokakalpitasriganesvarA== here the story is not fully explained.

It just speaks about the glance that is all what preceded and what happened

thereafter is not dealt with.

 

 

NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote:

lalitha Sahasranama no 77 : KAmesvaramukhAlokakalpitasriganesvarA

 

Which means : Sri Ganesvara was formed by her glances at KAmesvara

 

Seeing the Devas fettered by magical figures set up by the Daityas,

Devi, by merely looking at her husband, gave birth to the great

Ganapati whose mantra is the twenty-eight syllables, by which the

fettering influences of the magical figures was destroyed and the

Devas released. Thus says the Brah Pr. "Then Devi Lalita looking

again at the face of her Lord, smiled, and from the rays of that

smile a certain god arose, having the head of an elephant with ichor

flowing from the temples"

 

Now where did it says about coming from the third eyes : that is

from my guru , when he gave me the Maha Ganapathi Mantra and he

explain to me how this mantra comes about, the story behind it and

the visualisation. Accordingly he said, it is the third eye.

 

 

 

 

 

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But what a pregnant glance it is!

A gravid and portentious seed, filled with esoteric meaning, creative

intention, and ultimate power!

Ganesha is the veritable doorman of heavenly bliss; the servant

equally of Shiva and of Shakti.

Ganesha protects and controls the unlimited power of this eternal

Yugala.

Ganesha is the dividing line of the Rishis; the skill of accurate

perception; the single-tusked Vinayaka, who with one-pointed devotion

to his parents (to Shiva and Parvati, to Rudra and Sati) declared the

Veda for all to enjoy.

His form is an Auspicious Mountain, and his fearless trumpeting is

the very Roar of Truth!

[Guest guest]

But i have a question to which I have no satisfactory answer. (Though I have my

own theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati worshipped when she was going to

get married to Shiva?

Has any one thought of this?

 

Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote:

 

But what a pregnant glance it is!

A gravid and portentious seed, filled with esoteric meaning, creative intention,

and ultimate power!

Ganesha is the veritable doorman of heavenly bliss; the servant equally of Shiva

and of Shakti.

Ganesha protects and controls the unlimited power of this eternal Yugala.

Ganesha is the dividing line of the Rishis; the skill of accurate perception;

the single-tusked Vinayaka, who with one-pointed devotion to his parents (to

Shiva and Parvati, to Rudra and Sati) declared the Veda for all to enjoy.

His form is an Auspicious Mountain, and his fearless trumpeting is the very Roar

of Truth!

 

 

 

 

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I would suggest that this Lord of Ganas was the very Rudra-Shiva

himself, who was firmly planted in the fertile yoni of the sacred

earthen body even before the famous Yagya of Daksha was completed.

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I recall texts that say, before Parvati created his

body, Ganapati existed as the spirit of the Aum.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

--- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

>

> But i have a question to which I have no

> satisfactory answer. (Though I have my own

> theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati worshipped

> when she was going to get married to Shiva?

> Has any one thought of this?

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Ganapati should mean the leader of Ganas.

In this case Sati and Shiva should be humans who are Amsa-avatars of

the corresponding gods. And so Sati worshipped the archetype god

ganapati existing in the subtle realm.

 

Anyone has a definition for Ganas?.

 

Shiva is Sat and so Sat(i)

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> But i have a question to which I have no satisfactory answer.

(Though I have my own theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati

worshipped when she was going to get married to Shiva?

> Has any one thought of this?

>

>

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Namaste,

 

A Gana is something counted or numbered, reckoned or valued,

attributed or attendant, ascribed or imagined; a Number, a Flock, a

Troop, a Tribe, an Assembly, or a Sect.

 

Anciently, the Ganapati was usually Brihaspati or Indra, then Shiva,

and later the Ganesha we know today.

 

The Ganas are the Rudras; and the Ganapati is Rudra himself!

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In a message dated 2/5/2005 4:04:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

vimalananda_mouli writes:

Anyone has a definition for Ganas?.

 

Shiva is Sat and so Sat(i)

Ganas are the attendents of shiva and both pati and isha can be roughly

translated as lord

 

so, Gana isha= Ganesh and Gana pati = Ganapati

 

Is there a direct translations for Gana? I'm not sure. In looking through my

Bangla and Hindi dictionaries I can only find a similar root meaning to count.

 

 

 

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How may rudras are there, i forgot, the Rudras are above karmic malas

as i know.

 

Ganapati must be an elephant subtle spirit. Must have power over

elements, esp earth element. What do you think?.

 

 

, "Sarabhanga Giri"

<sarabhanga> wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> A Gana is something counted or numbered, reckoned or valued,

> attributed or attendant, ascribed or imagined; a Number, a Flock, a

> Troop, a Tribe, an Assembly, or a Sect.

>

> Anciently, the Ganapati was usually Brihaspati or Indra, then Shiva,

> and later the Ganesha we know today.

>

> The Ganas are the Rudras; and the Ganapati is Rudra himself!

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Ganas are ghouls.

-

vimalananda_mouli

Friday, February 04, 2005 10:54 PM

Re: Sri Ganesha

 

 

 

 

Ganapati should mean the leader of Ganas.

In this case Sati and Shiva should be humans who are Amsa-avatars of

the corresponding gods. And so Sati worshipped the archetype god

ganapati existing in the subtle realm.

 

Anyone has a definition for Ganas?.

 

Shiva is Sat and so Sat(i)

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> But i have a question to which I have no satisfactory answer.

(Though I have my own theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati

worshipped when she was going to get married to Shiva?

> Has any one thought of this?

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Rudrajoe,

 

Ganas are the many Rudrah, which can be individually numbered.

Ganapati is the one great Rudra, who is truly unaccountable.

Daksha enumerated the various members of his sacrifice ~ ommitting

Rudra Shiva (the Mahadeva), whose great value remains invaluable.

Rudra was not counted by rational Daksha, who was held to account for

his irrational debit.

 

Ganas are only "ghouls" for those with no firm grasp of Rudra.

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In my interpretation, Ganas are the first energy emanations of Shiva

in his bhairava aspect.

 

 

>

> Namaste Rudrajoe,

>

> Ganas are the many Rudrah, which can be individually numbered.

> Ganapati is the one great Rudra, who is truly unaccountable.

> Daksha enumerated the various members of his sacrifice ~ ommitting

> Rudra Shiva (the Mahadeva), whose great value remains invaluable.

> Rudra was not counted by rational Daksha, who was held to account for

> his irrational debit.

>

> Ganas are only "ghouls" for those with no firm grasp of Rudra.

 

 

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Monier williams is a very respected dictionary on Sanskrit

here is what various elements are defined as in that dictionary.

This is the definitions of Gana given in Monier Williams ictionary

 

Gana is defined as:-

 

m. a flock , troop , multitude , number , tribe , series , class (of animate or

inanimate beings) , body of followers or attendants RV. AV. &c. troops or

classes of inferior deities (especially certain troops of demi-gods considered

as S3iva's attendants and under the special superintendence of the god Ganesha;

cf. %{-devatA}) Mn. Ya1jn5. Lalit. &c. N. of Ganesha W. a sect in philosophy or

religion W. a small body of troops (= 3 Gulmas or 27 chariots and as many

elephants , 81 horses , and 135 foot) MBh. i , 291 (in arithm.) a number L. (in

metre) a foot or four instants (cf. %{-cchandas}) a particular group of Sa1mans

La1t2y. i , 6 , 5 VarYogay. viii , 7 a kind of perfume L. = %{vAc} (i.e. `" a

series of verses "') Naigh. i , 11 (%{A}) f. N. of one of the mothers in

Skanda's retinue MBh. ix , 2645 (cf. %{ahar-} , %{maru4d-} , %{vR4Sa-} , %{sa4-}

, %{sapta4-} , %{sa4rva-} ; %{deva-} , %{mahA-} , and %{vida-gaNa4}.)

 

Ganapa is defined in Monier Williams as follows:-

 

m. (= %{-nAtha}) Gan2e7s3a S3am2kar. xiv , 6 the head of a corporation VarBr2S.

xxxii , 18.

 

Ganapati is defined as

(%{-Na4-}) m. (g. %{azvapaty-Adi}) the leader of a class or troop or assemblage

VS. [343,2] (Br2ihaspati) RV. ii , 23 , 1 (cf. RTL. p. 413) (Indra) x , 112 , 9

S3iva L. (cf. RTL. pp. 77 and 211) Gan2e7s3a (cf. also %{mahA-g-}) Pan5cat. N.

of the author of a Comm. on Caurap. of a poet S3a1rn3gP. pl.N. of a family

Pravar. iii , 1 %{-khaNDa} m. n. N. of BrahmaP. iii %{-nAtha} m. N. of a man

%{-pUjana} n. the worship of Gan2e7s3a W. %{-pUrva-tApanIyo7paniSad} f. N. of an

Up. %{-pUrva-tApinI} f. id. %{-bhaTTa} m. N. of the father of Govinda7nanda

%{-stava-rAja} m. N. of a hymn in praise of Gan2e7s3a %{-stotra} n. prayers

addressed to Gan2e7s3a %{-hRdayA} f. N. of a goddess Buddh. %{-ty-ArAdhana} m. a

hymn in honour of Gan2e7s3a (attributed to Kan3kola) %{-ty-upaniSad} f. N. of an

Up.

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IMHO Lets not use meanings that do not have basis in shastra thus confusing the

issue. There are no mentions of ghouls and the like. Ghol is a western concept.

Many problems arie when western concepts are unnecessarily matched up with

eastern concepts. East is east and West is West.

 

Even in India there are folklore traditions that have no relevance to the

concept. All that exist side by side. when attempting to define lets go by

texts.

 

Res ipsa loquiter (let facts speak for themselves.

Thank you.

 

MODERATOR

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Namaste

 

 

v> Ganapati should mean the leader of Ganas.

 

Gan-Isha.

 

v> In this case Sati and Shiva should be humans who are Amsa-avatars of

v> the corresponding gods. And so Sati worshipped the archetype god

v> ganapati existing in the subtle realm.

 

v> Anyone has a definition for Ganas?.

 

So I know gan is creature having the form and a name.

 

v> Shiva is Sat and so Sat(i)

 

v> , sankara menon <kochu1tz>

v> wrote:

>> But i have a question to which I have no satisfactory answer.

v> (Though I have my own theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati

v> worshipped when she was going to get married to Shiva?

>> Has any one thought of this?

>>

>>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jai Maa Ambe!

--

With respect,

RN PsA-Fomalhaut

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Namaste,

 

Thursday, February 3, 2005, 1:17:39 AM, you wrote:

 

 

S> Vanakkam!

 

S> You can try this link

 

S> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/lg/lg_table_of_contents.html

 

I have looked this site. I think there a lot of interesting

 

Thanx.

 

 

 

 

Jai Maa Ambe!

--

With respect,

RN PsA-Fomalhaut

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Namaste,

 

Thursday, February 3, 2005, 6:40:08 AM, you wrote:

 

So I thought Her names mean something.

 

N> lalitha Sahasranama no 77 : KAmesvaramukhAlokakalpitasriganesvarA

 

N> Which means : Sri Ganesvara was formed by her glances at KAmesvara

 

N> Seeing the Devas fettered by magical figures set up by the Daityas,

N> Devi, by merely looking at her husband, gave birth to the great

N> Ganapati whose mantra is the twenty-eight syllables, by which the

N> fettering influences of the magical figures was destroyed and the

N> Devas released. Thus says the Brah Pr. "Then Devi Lalita looking

N> again at the face of her Lord, smiled, and from the rays of that

N> smile a certain god arose, having the head of an elephant with ichor

N> flowing from the temples"

 

N> Now where did it says about coming from the third eyes : that is

N> from my guru , when he gave me the Maha Ganapathi Mantra and he

N> explain to me how this mantra comes about, the story behind it and

N> the visualisation. Accordingly he said, it is the third eye.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jai Maa Ambe!

--

With respect,

RN PsA-Fomalhaut

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There are supposed to be eleven Rudras, I think, and Hanuman is supposed to be

the eleventh Rudra. if I can remember where I heard that, I will post it. Also,

yes, there is no doubt that Ganesha has to do with the Muladhara Chakra, which

is ruled by Earth. Ganesha is invoked to help us go beyond the element of Earth

and "rise on the Planes". It is also important to note that elephants are ruled

by Saturn (Shani) and that one legend tells that Ganesha was supposed to have

lost his head as a result of Parvati insisting that Shani look at Her child.

Shani's gaze burns whatever it lands on, thus Ganesha's head was burned right

off when Shani reluctantly looked at the child. Saturn rules obstacles and

limitations, according to the Western astrological system, and thus Ganesha

would be classified there as a Saturnian-type force, since he rules obstacles

and their removal, His elephant head rather driving home the point.

 

Lilith M.

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Perhaps the word you are looking for is "hosts" or "multitudes". "Elemental

spirits" might also be a good definition as well. The Hebraic magickal names in

the Qabalistic system refer to the "Lord of Hosts", the ruler of the forces that

operate the universe and keep it running.

 

Lilith M.

 

--- swastik108 wrote:

> Is there a direct translations for Gana? I'm not

> sure. In looking through my

> Bangla and Hindi dictionaries I can only find a

> similar root meaning to count.