Donations for Tsunami Relief Fund

[Guest guest]

It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San Ramon,

CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to click and

donate what you can to help.

[Guest guest]

, "Mary Ann"

<buttercookie61> wrote:

>

> It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San

Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to

click and donate what you can to help.

 

 

The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were

flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this

group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed

the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her ashram.

 

If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi

will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her

ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died.

[Guest guest]

This is the silliest propaganda I have heard. I did go

to the camps and I saw how the inmates were everywhere

helping.

 

Ammachi was herself in Kitchen tirelessly supervising

the cooking and 10,000 Kilos of food was being sent in

lorries to the relief camps. (THE CAMPS ARE NOT HERS

BUT RUN LOCALLY WITH GOIVERNMENT ASSISTANCE)

 

She does not need the aid to repair anything. She runs

institutions worth more than a BILLION $ she does not

need money. Further what is the damage to her ashram?

6 inches of water? Thats all that reached the ashram.

It is more like Chistian missionaries to deny aid to

those who do not convert. A Hindu and an Indian to

boot will NEVER do that OK?

 

Can you let me have the site of this news group?

 

--- anamikafisher <anamikafisher wrote:

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> >

> > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA

> Center in San Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org

and you will see where to click and donate what you

can to help.

>

>

The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's

properties were flooded and have suffered extensive

damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be

used for repairing the damage than to feed the widow

and children of the fisherman killed outside her

ashram.

>

> If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting

> that Ammachi will only help those who have taken

refuge in her - 10,000 in her ashram were saved but

the villagers outside her ashram died.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

The all-new My - What will yours do?

 

[Guest guest]

Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What

newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram

for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to

the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have

chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there.

I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that

she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and

look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger.

 

I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at

www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means.

 

Mary Ann

 

, "anamikafisher"

<anamikafisher> wrote:

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> >

> > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San

> Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to

> click and donate what you can to help.

>

>

> The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were

> flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this

> group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed

> the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her

ashram.

>

> If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi

> will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her

> ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died.

[Guest guest]

here is what the official web site says.

 

 

 

http://ammachi.org/humanitarian-activities/get-involved/tsunami.html

 

 

 

===============================================================

 

Nature unleashes her fury

 

 

 

Early morning on the 26th of December, a colossal earthquake beneath the ocean

off the coast of Indonesia flung open the gates of horror in Southern India and

other waterfront countries across the Indian Ocean. Measuring 9.0 on the Richter

scale, the earthquake generated gigantic Tsunami waves that crashed through

seaside villages, flooding and washing away homes and people in its wake.

Thousands lay dead as the waters finally receded. Mass graves were filled with

the dead… thousands were rendered homeless…. The death toll was 23,000; the

final tally still unknown as ongoing relief efforts continued to unearth more

bodies…

 

 

 

Amma’s coastal ashram of Amritapuri also witnessed flooding as the seawaters

rushed in, engulfing the village where the ashram stands.{NOT THE ASHRAM} In the

immediate neighborhood of the ashram, the villagers lamented the lives, homes

and belongings that ‘Kadalamma’- Mother Sea- carried away with her. There were

about 20,000 people from across the world in the ashram as the disaster struck,

but no one there was injured.

 

 

As soon as the seawater rushed into the ashram grounds, Amma stopped giving

darshan, draped an ochre shawl around herself and came down to direct the relief

efforts. Conceiving the magnitude of relief needed, Amma set to work

immediately, at first making sure that everyone in the ashram area was safely

evacuated further inland across the backwaters, far away from the clutches of

the raging sea. Then she reached out to those in need by setting up relief camps

and shelters for those whose homes had been washed away by the Tsunami. {NO

MENTION OF THOSE SEEKING REFUGE IN HER}

 

 

Having worked all day, it was past midnight when Amma- the last person to leave

the ashram- reached the other side of the backwaters…yet she did not stop. She

continued organizing further relief work without even drinking a drop of water.

“How could I eat or drink while so many lie dead?”…was her question when someone

offered her some water.

 

 

Under Amma's instructions, relief camps were set up at both the Amrita

University School of Engineering and at the new Ayurveda School. More than 3,000

evacuees {NO MENTION OF REFUGE IN HER} are being accommodated there. Nine of the

area's schools were set up as disaster shelters by the government, and Amma's

ashram has been providing those shelters with food and other necessities like

clothes and blankets. Six ambulances from the Ashram's AIMS Hospital, with

medical teams lead by 10 doctors are making regular rounds as mobile medical

units. They are visiting each shelter every two hours, 24 hours a day.

 

 

Buzzing with activity, the Ashram is preparing food three times a day for 10,000

people, cooking the rice, uppama and curries, with many of the devotees from

around the world chopping vegetables, glad to chip in their bit toward the

effort. Sacks of uncooked rice are also being delivered for distribution among

the needy.(JUST THE NEEDY OK? NO MENTION OF ANY OTHER CRITERION}

 

 

Amma’s ashram is also actively involved in relief operations in Cochin

(Vaippin), Trivandrum, Chennai and Pondicherry. Amma has instructed all the

Ashram branches throughout South India to help in the relief efforts.

 

 

An outpouring of support from Amma’s children around the world is going out to

aid the disaster relief efforts. Amma’s children from California alone have

pledged to rebuild the village of Parayakadavu, where the Amritapuri ashram

stands.

 

 

The magnitude of devastation is enormous. Much effort will be needed to rebuild

and restore the lives of the survivors…but Amma labors on… a labor of love.

“Amma is sad about those that lost their lives…” she says, “…but it is the pain

of the survivors that Amma cannot bear…”

 

 

If you or someone you know would like to help with the disaster relief, please

contact us.

==================================================================

 

 

 

MAY I POINT OUT THAT I AM NEITHER A DECIPLE OR FOLLOWER OF AMMA. BUT THESE

BAREFACED LIE PROPAGANDA MUST BE COUNTERED. I KNOW IT IS SO BECAUSE I HAVE

TOURED THE AFFECTED PLACES.THERE IS NO PLACE WHERE ANY DISTINCTION IS MADE ON

ANY BASIS OTHER THAN NEED.

 

 

 

WHATEVER SITE IS BEING REFERRED TO IS PROBABLY AN ANTI-PROPAGANDA SITE. PLEASE

LET ME HAVE THE SITE TO CHECK. IF THERE IS NO SITE FORTHCOMING PEOPLE WILL KNOW

WHAT IT IS

 

Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote:

 

 

Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What

newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram

for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to

the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have

chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there.

I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that

she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and

look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger.

 

I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at

www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means.

 

Mary Ann

 

, "anamikafisher"

<anamikafisher wrote:

 

 

, "Mary Ann"

<buttercookie61 wrote:

 

It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San Ramon, CA. You

can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to click and donate what you can

to help.

 

 

The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were flooded and

have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be

used for repairing the damage than to feed

the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her

ashram.

 

If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi

will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her

ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Sankara:

 

Good you are in the area and can give us some info. Has the government's and

other aid agencies arrived there yet? Is ammachi the only one providing aid

there ? I realize she owns most of the prperty there... but what is the

situation like now

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

Ammachi was herself in Kitchen tirelessly supervising

the cooking and 10,000 Kilos of food was being sent in

lorries to the relief camps. (THE CAMPS ARE NOT HERS

BUT RUN LOCALLY WITH GOIVERNMENT ASSISTANCE)

 

She does not need the aid to repair anything. She runs

institutions worth more than a BILLION $ she does not

need money. Further what is the damage to her ashram?

6 inches of water? Thats all that reached the ashram.

It is more like Chistian missionaries to deny aid to

those who do not convert. A Hindu and an Indian to

boot will NEVER do that OK?

 

Can you let me have the site of this news group?

 

--- anamikafisher <anamikafisher wrote:

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> >

> > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA

> Center in San Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org

and you will see where to click and donate what you

can to help.

>

>

The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's

properties were flooded and have suffered extensive

damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be

used for repairing the damage than to feed the widow

and children of the fisherman killed outside her

ashram.

>

> If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting

> that Ammachi will only help those who have taken

refuge in her - 10,000 in her ashram were saved but

the villagers outside her ashram died.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

The all-new My - What will yours do?

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The all-new My – Get yours free!

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Maryann

 

I was referring to her official newsgroup:

Ammachi/messages

 

See post 10153 among others. I wish there would be some official clarification

and we don't have to depend on the words of a few emotional devotees.

 

 

Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote:

 

Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What

newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram

for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to

the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have

chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there.

I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that

she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and

look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger.

 

I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at

www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means.

 

Mary Ann

 

, "anamikafisher"

<anamikafisher> wrote:

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> >

> > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San

> Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to

> click and donate what you can to help.

>

>

> The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were

> flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this

> group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed

> the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her

ashram.

>

> If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi

> will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her

> ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died.

 

 

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

More information from www.amma.org:

 

Tsunami relief efforts

Br. Dayamrita Chaitanya

 

Aum Amriteswaryai Namah

 

First of all thank you to all those who are engaged in supporting

the relief work here in the U.S. Yesterday (today in India i.e., Dec

30th) there was yet another warning from the Government agencies

about an imminent Tsunami after observing an earthquake on the coast

of Australia. The residents of the ashram had come back to the

ashram. All the visitors were still in the Engineering college - now

called as the refugee camp. (The Engineering college has been

closed, the students send back home and the villagers are housed at

the college) The ashram floors are filled with pitch black like

liquid and cleaning was going on when the announcement came

regarding the new Tsunami attack. Every one packed their things and

scrambled to the refugee camp again. But the warning was only hoax.

There was no rising of the water. So every body will be going back

tomorrow.

 

Amma's plan is to build a temporary refugee camp at first in the

village. (The present one will have to start functioning as a

college soon) Then as we build homes, they will be moved permanently

to their individual dwellings.

 

Some of you might have read the news about the Indian Government

refusing aid from other countries. Please do not get confused with

what we do. This has nothing to do with the Government. As I had

written earlier Amma has pledged to build houses. We might have to

build around 2500 houses, the least. So please continue with your

efforts.

 

Also I am sending an update about what AIMS - Amma's hospital is

doing for the Tsunami efforts. I understand that some of you are

working to get medical supplies. You can give out the information

about AIMS for such people or organizations.

 

Once again thank you and may Amma bless all our efforts.

 

 

Namah Sivaya,

Dayamrita

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> here is what the official web site says.

>

>

>

> http://ammachi.org/humanitarian-activities/get-

involved/tsunami.html

>

>

>

> ===============================================================

>

> Nature unleashes her fury

>

>

>

> Early morning on the 26th of December, a colossal earthquake

beneath the ocean off the coast of Indonesia flung open the gates of

horror in Southern India and other waterfront countries across the

Indian Ocean. Measuring 9.0 on the Richter scale, the earthquake

generated gigantic Tsunami waves that crashed through seaside

villages, flooding and washing away homes and people in its wake.

Thousands lay dead as the waters finally receded. Mass graves were

filled with the dead… thousands were rendered homeless…. The death

toll was 23,000; the final tally still unknown as ongoing relief

efforts continued to unearth more bodies…

>

>

>

> Amma's coastal ashram of Amritapuri also witnessed flooding as the

seawaters rushed in, engulfing the village where the ashram stands.

{NOT THE ASHRAM} In the immediate neighborhood of the ashram, the

villagers lamented the lives, homes and belongings that `Kadalamma'-

Mother Sea- carried away with her. There were about 20,000 people

from across the world in the ashram as the disaster struck, but no

one there was injured.

>

>

> As soon as the seawater rushed into the ashram grounds, Amma

stopped giving darshan, draped an ochre shawl around herself and

came down to direct the relief efforts. Conceiving the magnitude of

relief needed, Amma set to work immediately, at first making sure

that everyone in the ashram area was safely evacuated further inland

across the backwaters, far away from the clutches of the raging sea.

Then she reached out to those in need by setting up relief camps and

shelters for those whose homes had been washed away by the Tsunami.

{NO MENTION OF THOSE SEEKING REFUGE IN HER}

>

>

> Having worked all day, it was past midnight when Amma- the last

person to leave the ashram- reached the other side of the backwaters…

yet she did not stop. She continued organizing further relief work

without even drinking a drop of water. "How could I eat or drink

while so many lie dead?"…was her question when someone offered her

some water.

>

>

> Under Amma's instructions, relief camps were set up at both the

Amrita University School of Engineering and at the new Ayurveda

School. More than 3,000 evacuees {NO MENTION OF REFUGE IN HER} are

being accommodated there. Nine of the area's schools were set up as

disaster shelters by the government, and Amma's ashram has been

providing those shelters with food and other necessities like

clothes and blankets. Six ambulances from the Ashram's AIMS

Hospital, with medical teams lead by 10 doctors are making regular

rounds as mobile medical units. They are visiting each shelter every

two hours, 24 hours a day.

>

>

> Buzzing with activity, the Ashram is preparing food three times a

day for 10,000 people, cooking the rice, uppama and curries, with

many of the devotees from around the world chopping vegetables, glad

to chip in their bit toward the effort. Sacks of uncooked rice are

also being delivered for distribution among the needy.(JUST THE

NEEDY OK? NO MENTION OF ANY OTHER CRITERION}

>

>

> Amma's ashram is also actively involved in relief operations in

Cochin (Vaippin), Trivandrum, Chennai and Pondicherry. Amma has

instructed all the Ashram branches throughout South India to help in

the relief efforts.

>

>

> An outpouring of support from Amma's children around the world is

going out to aid the disaster relief efforts. Amma's children from

California alone have pledged to rebuild the village of

Parayakadavu, where the Amritapuri ashram stands.

>

>

> The magnitude of devastation is enormous. Much effort will be

needed to rebuild and restore the lives of the survivors…but Amma

labors on… a labor of love. "Amma is sad about those that lost their

lives…" she says, "…but it is the pain of the survivors that Amma

cannot bear…"

>

>

> If you or someone you know would like to help with the disaster

relief, please contact us.

> ==================================================================

>

>

>

> MAY I POINT OUT THAT I AM NEITHER A DECIPLE OR FOLLOWER OF AMMA.

BUT THESE BAREFACED LIE PROPAGANDA MUST BE COUNTERED. I KNOW IT IS

SO BECAUSE I HAVE TOURED THE AFFECTED PLACES.THERE IS NO PLACE WHERE

ANY DISTINCTION IS MADE ON ANY BASIS OTHER THAN NEED.

>

>

>

> WHATEVER SITE IS BEING REFERRED TO IS PROBABLY AN ANTI-PROPAGANDA

SITE. PLEASE LET ME HAVE THE SITE TO CHECK. IF THERE IS NO SITE

FORTHCOMING PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHAT IT IS

>

> Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote:

>

>

> Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What

> newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an

ashram

> for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life

to

> the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have

> chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it

there.

> I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that

> she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out

and

> look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger.

>

> I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at

> www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other

means.

>

> Mary Ann

>

> , "anamikafisher"

> <anamikafisher wrote:

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61 wrote:

>

> It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San

Ramon, CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to

click and donate what you can to help.

>

>

> The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties

were flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to

this group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to

feed

> the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her

> ashram.

>

> If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi

> will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her

> ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died.

>

>

>

>

>

 

>

> Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anamika:

 

I have also found some devotees to be quite off-putting; they don't

realize what a disservice they do by their "devotion," if that's

what that is.

 

In what more I posted after sankara from the official website,

donations may go to help provide services through Amma's hospitals,

which provide free medical services to the needy. Again, there are

certainly other ways to donate if you want to reach people in the

areas beyond where Amma is working directly. Apparently the death

toll in India is less than 9000, where Indonesia has lost over

85,000 people. I commend you on caring to send your money or support

in whatever way you feel it can do the most good.

 

The U.S. political group MoveOn.org is offering a way to donate

online if you or anyone else is interested. Here's some info:

 

"We can help directly, as individuals, and save lives today. Our

friends at Oxfam are already scrambling on the front lines to fight

off starvation and disease -- and beginning to rebuild. Because

Oxfam has worked for years with grassroots groups in the hardest hit

areas, they were able to mobilize local leadership to help survivors

immediately after the tsunami hit. And Oxfam will be there for the

long-term, helping communities recover and regain their ability to

meet basic needs. Oxfam needs to raise $5 million immediately to

provide safe water, sanitation, food, shelter, and clothing to

36,000 families in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, and India. Your

contribution can make this possible.

 

Please give what you can, at:

 

http://www.moveon.org/r?r=631

 

Of course, Oxfam is only one of dozens of great organizations, like

UNICEF, CARE, and the Red Cross/Red Crescent, rushing to help with

the immediate need. Their efforts give the victims a head start, but

it won't be enough unless the great nations of the world step

forward in a big way for the long-term challenges.

 

Indonesia, by far the hardest hit country, is also the world's

largest Muslim nation. Their estimated death toll stands at 85,000 --

in some areas, 1 out of 4 people have already been killed. Now it's

time for America to show its true colors. We want to be known as a

nation that leads the world with compassion, generosity, and

community -- not with disastrous foreign military adventures. We are

a nation that values human life, family, and extending freedom and

opportunity to where it is most needed. We must now reach out in a

serious way to do just that."

 

- Mary Ann

 

 

 

, anami ka <anamikafisher>

wrote:

>

> Hi Maryann

>

> I was referring to her official newsgroup:

Ammachi/messages

>

> See post 10153 among others. I wish there would be some official

clarification and we don't have to depend on the words of a few

emotional devotees.

>

>

> Mary Ann <buttercookie61> wrote:

>

> Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What

> newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an

ashram

> for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life

to

> the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have

> chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it

there.

> I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that

> she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out

and

> look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger.

>

> I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at

> www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other

means.

>

> Mary Ann

>

> , "anamikafisher"

> <anamikafisher> wrote:

> >

> >

> > , "Mary Ann"

> > <buttercookie61> wrote:

> > >

> > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San

> > Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to

> > click and donate what you can to help.

> >

> >

> > The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties

were

> > flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to

this

> > group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to

feed

> > the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her

> ashram.

> >

> > If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that

Ammachi

> > will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in

her

> > ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

"If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi

> will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her

> ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died."

 

=============================================================

 

what 10153 says is

 

Atom firmly believes, Amma was fully capable of stopping the

quake/Tsunami and protecting people all over the world by Her mere

sankalpa or resolve.

 

However, note the similarities in the situations. Lord Krishna saved

those who took refuge in him. And, not ONE person who was under

Amma's protection was harmed.

 

There was even a story from someone who had a miraculous escape,

thanks to early darshan and subsequent travel.

 

There will always be doubting thomases and pseudo-rationalists, this

atom doesn't care. Amma clearly hinted at such happenings in the

summer of 2003 and will certainly protect those who take refuge in

Her.

================================================================

 

PLEASE note that there is no mention of ONLY. That exclusivity claims are alien

to Hinduism is well known and it is when christian thought is superimposed

inncently or otherwise the immage of exclusivity comes in.

 

 

 

anami ka <anamikafisher wrote:

 

Hi Maryann

 

I was referring to her official newsgroup:

Ammachi/messages

 

See post 10153 among others. I wish there would be some official clarification

and we don't have to depend on the words of a few emotional devotees.

 

 

Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote:

 

Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What

newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram

for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to

the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have

chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there.

I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that

she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and

look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger.

 

I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at

www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means.

 

Mary Ann

 

, "anamikafisher"

<anamikafisher> wrote:

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> >

> > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San

> Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to

> click and donate what you can to help.

>

>

> The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were

> flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this

> group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed

> the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her

ashram.

>

> If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi

> will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her

> ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died.

 

 

 

 

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Meet the all-new My – Try it today!

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Anamika:

 

1. Ammachi DOES NOT OWN ALL OR MOST OF THE LAND THERE.

 

2.The aid is ongoing by government and stringless NGOs as well. We are doing

fine. If ppl donate with love and care we will accept. But not string aid and

handme downs that the west do not want. This is not a garbage dump.

3. We are a resilent nation and we will survive.

4. We also remember the refusal of a countries to help (when we needed help) in

1999 in Orissa because a missionary was killed. I am not going into the reasons

but i believe he was an equally gulty party who invited retribution. So we do

not want help from such ppl.

 

anami ka <anamikafisher wrote:

 

 

Hi Sankara:

 

Good you are in the area and can give us some info. Has the government's and

other aid agencies arrived there yet? Is ammachi the only one providing aid

there ? I realize she owns most of the prperty there... but what is the

situation like now

 

sankara menon wrote:

Ammachi was herself in Kitchen tirelessly supervising

the cooking and 10,000 Kilos of food was being sent in

lorries to the relief camps. (THE CAMPS ARE NOT HERS

BUT RUN LOCALLY WITH GOIVERNMENT ASSISTANCE)

 

She does not need the aid to repair anything. She runs

institutions worth more than a BILLION $ she does not

need money. Further what is the damage to her ashram?

6 inches of water? Thats all that reached the ashram.

It is more like Chistian missionaries to deny aid to

those who do not convert. A Hindu and an Indian to

boot will NEVER do that OK?

 

Can you let me have the site of this news group?

 

--- anamikafisher wrote:

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> wrote:

> >

> > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA

> Center in San Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org

and you will see where to click and donate what you

can to help.

>

>

The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's

properties were flooded and have suffered extensive

damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be

used for repairing the damage than to feed the widow

and children of the fisherman killed outside her

ashram.

>

> If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting

> that Ammachi will only help those who have taken

refuge in her - 10,000 in her ashram were saved but

the villagers outside her ashram died.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Moderator, all,

 

This is getting too emotional. We will not post any more on this

subject but instead try calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in

India to clarify things. If we find out some inspiring facts that

will gladden the hearts of devotees here, we will pass it on.

 

Anamika

[Guest guest]

anamikafisher wrote: Dear Moderator, all, This is getting too

emotional. We will not post any more on this subject but instead try

calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in India to clarify things.

If we find out some inspiring facts that will gladden the hearts of

devotees here, we will pass it on.

 

Thank you Anamika. As I sit before my TV and watch all those out

pouring of compassion from the people : From Singapore and all over

the world, I began to wonder : where does all lead us to and when

will it stop. Will it ever stop? My concern perhaps weather will

these aid actually reach those who are really in need. Look at the

situation in Acheh. Donations etc are all piled up and continue to

pour in, but nobody to distribute them.

 

For those in Malaysia, particularly in KL, the Amma team [KL] will

be departing from KL to India, Tamil Nadu tomorrow [ tuesday ]. I am

being informed that they will set up clinic and trying to get into

the remote areas. They are appealing for funds [ cash or kind ] to

purchase medicine etc. The coordinator [ also a member of this

group ] of this project personally told me that all the airfare are

paid by the volunteers themselves. I am being further informed that

this project is not part of the ashram's initiative but by a group

of individuals belonging to the ashram.

[Guest guest]

You were given the numbers and details of MA ashram at the MA group long ago is

it not?

 

anamikafisher <anamikafisher wrote:

Dear Moderator, all,

 

This is getting too emotional. We will not post any more on this subject but

instead try calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in India to clarify things.

If we find out some inspiring facts that will gladden the hearts of devotees

here, we will pass it on.

 

Anamika

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here is something interesting that someone sent me. I have no

comments but to reiterate that INDIA HAS NOT ASKED FOR AID AND

WHATEVER COMES IN IS VOULENTARY. SO INDIA IS NOT THE BEGGAR REFERRED

TO HERE.

 

It is further obvious that the doubts were not of an individual but

the mail was being sent on behalf of a group. Because "we" does noty

refer to an individual but to a group. It is this sort of insulting

attitude that caused India to take a policy decision not to

accept "aid".

 

Let this group first deal with the poor in their country who cannot

afford two meals a day. I understand the mailer comes from a country

with 25% functionally illiterate persons and 25% who cannot afford

two square meals a day. Do not impose your "charity" on us OK? We do

not need it.

 

==================================================================

Sankara,

 

Beggars can't be choosers, OK? We will check out the charity before

we send money. We want India to break free from the cycle of poverty

NOT keep revolving in it endlessly.

 

We also would like our money to go directly to the people most in

need and as quickly as possible. If you have a problem with it, that

is your problem.

===================================================================

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...

wrote:

anamikafisher wrote: Dear Moderator, all, This is getting too

emotional. We will not post any more on this subject but instead try

calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in India to clarify things.

If we find out some inspiring facts that will gladden the hearts of

devotees here, we will pass it on.

 

Thank you Anamika. As I sit before my TV and watch all those out

pouring of compassion from the people : From Singapore and all over

the world, I began to wonder : where does all lead us to and when

will it stop. Will it ever stop? My concern perhaps weather will

these aid actually reach those who are really in need. Look at the

situation in Acheh. Donations etc are all piled up and continue to

pour in, but nobody to distribute them.

 

For those in Malaysia, particularly in KL, the Amma team [KL] will

be departing from KL to India, Tamil Nadu tomorrow [ Tuesday ]. I am

being informed that they will set up clinic and trying to get into

the remote areas. They are appealing for funds [ cash or kind ] to

purchase medicine etc. The coordinator [ also a member of this

group ] of this project personally told me that all the airfare are

paid by the volunteers themselves. I am being further informed that

this project is not part of the ashram's initiative but by a group

of individuals belonging to the ashram.

[Guest guest]

Further we have no doubts so we need not call anybody. Those who

have doubts can call. but do not post things with innuendo without

checking. I also note that the person posted this message AFTER she

got the phone numbers. Obviously she/he did not call. Because the

intention does not seem all that above board.

 

Why speculate when one had the number to clarify?

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> anamikafisher wrote: Dear Moderator, all, This is getting too

> emotional. We will not post any more on this subject but instead

try calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in India to clarify

things.

If we find out some inspiring facts that will gladden the hearts of

> devotees here, we will pass it on.

>

> Thank you Anamika. As I sit before my TV and watch all those out

> pouring of compassion from the people : From Singapore and all

over

> the world, I began to wonder : where does all lead us to and when

> will it stop. Will it ever stop? My concern perhaps weather will

> these aid actually reach those who are really in need. Look at the

> situation in Acheh. Donations etc are all piled up and continue to

> pour in, but nobody to distribute them.

>

> For those in Malaysia, particularly in KL, the Amma team [KL] will

> be departing from KL to India, Tamil Nadu tomorrow [ tuesday ]. I

am

> being informed that they will set up clinic and trying to get into

> the remote areas. They are appealing for funds [ cash or kind ] to

> purchase medicine etc. The coordinator [ also a member of this

> group ] of this project personally told me that all the airfare

are

> paid by the volunteers themselves. I am being further informed

that

> this project is not part of the ashram's initiative but by a group

> of individuals belonging to the ashram.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kochu:

 

I definitely understand your offense at your correspondent's rather

shocking assertion that, "Beggars can't be choosers, OK?" The

statement is uncalled for, factually inaccurate and deeply

insensitive.

 

Let us hope that it was a momentary outburst and not a truly held

sentiment; or, at worst, an expression of simple ignorance. In

either case, we can choose to respond with unconditional love.

 

As Amritananda Natha teaches, we don't have to hate ignorance.

Darkness can't remain where light is:

 

"Even my enemies have life; and life is Devi. So I respect them,

forgive them, and try to look at their point of view and make

friends. If I can't do it, I will love them all the same; will not

reject them, but maintain a respectful distance. My love does not

expect that they should love me in return. It has no conditions

attached. I share because I like sharing. That is all."

 

Aum MAtangyai NamaH

 

 

, "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> Here is something interesting that someone sent me. I have no

> comments but to reiterate that INDIA HAS NOT ASKED FOR AID AND

> WHATEVER COMES IN IS VOULENTARY. SO INDIA IS NOT THE BEGGAR

REFERRED

> TO HERE.

>

> It is further obvious that the doubts were not of an individual

but

> the mail was being sent on behalf of a group. Because "we" does

noty

> refer to an individual but to a group. It is this sort of

insulting

> attitude that caused India to take a policy decision not to

> accept "aid".

>

> Let this group first deal with the poor in their country who

cannot

> afford two meals a day. I understand the mailer comes from a

country

> with 25% functionally illiterate persons and 25% who cannot afford

> two square meals a day. Do not impose your "charity" on us OK? We

do

> not need it.

>

> ==================================================================

> Sankara,

>

> Beggars can't be choosers, OK? We will check out the charity

before

> we send money. We want India to break free from the cycle of

poverty

> NOT keep revolving in it endlessly.

>

> We also would like our money to go directly to the people most in

> need and as quickly as possible. If you have a problem with it,

that

> is your problem.

[Guest guest]

Dear DB:

 

I think I made my point.

 

I know to some I am "creepy" to some because I point out the facts.

 

But let me clarify I belong to no "group" that is soliciting any donations. I am

just a proud Indian who hates the superiority airs of teh so called "aid

givers". I have seen in africa how they give "aid" and what the end result is.

Thank God we got over that phase by sheer dint of personal effort.

 

Yes I do see that "aid" is given in africa. But not the western kind. I have

arranged for "aid" in the form of free education to be given to africans by

India so that they learn to stand on their feet. Thats one aid the west rarely

gives because that will not be in their commercial interests.

 

Thats it.

 

 

 

 

 

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

 

Hi Kochu:

 

I definitely understand your offense at your correspondent's rather shocking

assertion that, "Beggars can't be choosers, OK?" The statement is uncalled for,

factually inaccurate and deeply insensitive.

 

Let us hope that it was a momentary outburst and not a truly held sentiment; or,

at worst, an expression of simple ignorance. In either case, we can choose to

respond with unconditional love.

 

As Amritananda Natha teaches, we don't have to hate ignorance. Darkness can't

remain where light is:

 

"Even my enemies have life; and life is Devi. So I respect them, forgive them,

and try to look at their point of view and make friends. If I can't do it, I

will love them all the same; will not reject them, but maintain a respectful

distance. My love does not expect that they should love me in return. It has no

conditions attached. I share because I like sharing. That is all."

 

Aum MAtangyai NamaH

 

 

, "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> Here is something interesting that someone sent me. I have no comments but to

reiterate that INDIA HAS NOT ASKED FOR AID AND WHATEVER COMES IN IS VOULENTARY.

SO INDIA IS NOT THE BEGGAR REFERRED TO HERE.

>

> It is further obvious that the doubts were not of an individual but the mail

was being sent on behalf of a group. Because "we" does noty refer to an

individual but to a group. It is this sort of insulting attitude that caused

India to take a policy decision not to accept "aid".

>

> Let this group first deal with the poor in their country who cannot afford two

meals a day. I understand the mailer comes from a country with 25% functionally

illiterate persons and 25% who cannot afford two square meals a day. Do not

impose your "charity" on us OK? We do not need it.

>

> ==================================================================

> Sankara,

>

> Beggars can't be choosers, OK? We will check out the charity before we send

money. We want India to break free from the cycle of poverty NOT keep revolving

in it endlessly.

>

> We also would like our money to go directly to the people most in need and as

quickly as possible. If you have a problem with it, that is your problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

India has proved that "begars CAN be choosers."

 

Chumki.

[Guest guest]

Dear Anamika,

 

There is no "Official Newsgroup" for Ammachi at

Ammachi/messages

it is just another like where enthusiasts

hang out in cyberspace and talk.

 

Mata Amritanandamayi Math has been releasing press reports since 12/27/04 that

are actually "official" at http://www.amritapuri.org/tsunami/tsunami.php

and at the M.A.Center site http://www.amma.org/ no idea why you haven't seen

them since you are so interested.

 

Also, the M.A.Center, the M.A.Math's US headquarters, is a U.S. registered

non-profit organization with 501©3 status which reports it's financial

information publicly. So please check it out.

 

I don't mind criticism in reference about Ammachi, her organization or her

devotees. But it's not nice to intentionally distort and misquote what someone

said on another forum and post it here as "official" news. I hope you use better

scrutiny and more honesty from now on.

 

Ammachi's devotees can donate to her charity and if you are not inclined then

take your pick of many reputable charities. Many devotees and others have lived

in or visited Amritapuri and personally worked for the M.A.Math over the years

on site and in outreach throughout India building houses, distributing food, and

some of us offering medical care with our own hands. I just helped an Amrita

University graduate in her job search in the US. So we are perhaps a

bit over confident about what Ammachi does.

 

Sincerely (Not Emotionally),

 

Amarthya

 

P.S. I love you and appreciate this Leela, God bless you Anamika

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to let you all know this success story which came in an

e-mail today:

 

Tsunami Relief

MoveOn members have raised over $2.6 million for Oxfam America's

work in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, and India. By giving, you became part

of a worldwide groundswell that compelled governments to increase

their giving -- resulting in a record total $2 billion pledged.

Thanks for your immense generosity

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Reading on this http://www.indiareacts.com/archivedebates/nat2.asp?recno=1048

will give insight to many reasons India refused aid.

 

regards

Rudra

[Guest guest]

My thoughts on the refusal of aid (addressing something I read in

the linked article):

 

If the Japanese were busy testing water, why not put them in charge

of making the water drinkable rather than taking it as a slight? One

does not need to defend against the idea of oneself as a beggar or

a "lesser than" just because either the mindset of those with the

monies isn't able to recognize the value of what is already there,

or because one's fear of being judged is so great. It may be

possible for India and its individuals to support what is already

there, the depth and quality, within itself, within each self, and

not be diminished by others' ideas and ways, while at the same time

allowing funds in, acknowledging need. It is possible to make a

difference by how one responds to the energy that comes in one's

direction. This would be true to spiritual ideals of yoga, working

within and without, and balancing seemingly opposing forces, rather

than just shutting out/closing off.

 

This doesn't mean that I have an opinion as to whether the refusal

of aid is a good decision or not. These are just my thoughts as I

read the article, and as I read some of the posts

about "beggars,choosers," etc.

 

Namaste,

Mary Ann

 

 

, rudra <rrudraksham>

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Reading on this http://www.indiareacts.com/archivedebates/nat2.asp?

recno=1048 will give insight to many reasons India refused aid.

>

> regards

> Rudra