Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Actually it says more about the mentality of people who think by being in complete denial of the hard or icky facts of Reality they are going to make any kind of spiritual progress at all... With one side of their mouth they proclaim "God is in everything" and with the other side, they completely negate their declaration by condemning methodologies that seek to forcefully reunite Reality with awareness because they are "distasteful" and "polluting". If God is indeed "in everything" then these methods are just as effective as any others, in fact more so, because all delusion about Reality is dispensed with! Such spiritual hypocrites can never expect to even approach the Gates of the Higher Awareness. I certainly have never noticed that such types, like yourself, for instance, have got any lock on attainment...quite the contrary, in fact! Lilith M. --- omprem <omprem wrote: > > ***While consumption of sexual fluids and mestrual > blood in fact > was and is at the very heart of kaula-tantric > practice**** > > > This kaula practice gets weirder and more > unbelievable with > each post. Its certainly makes one wonder about > the mentality > of those who follow it. > > Omprem Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 , "Flo" <fgarig@b...> wrote: > > Hi all, I am new--- [....] > Could some one tell me why one would want > or need to ingest [body fluids]? Arjuna T. suggests reading _The Kiss of The Yogini_. This group discussed that book some time back, starting with message Devi Bhakta's message #11195. You can hear a discussion about the book at the following link. I'm not sure the interview(s) will answer your question, but perhaps they'll give you some context. ----------------- [originally posted by Devi Bhakta, in msg. 11195] Audio: The Joy (and Politics) of 'Tantric Sex' Two scholars who've traced Tantra back to its roots in rural India argue that the misuse of Tantra both by New Age gurus and modern day Hindu fundamentalists reveals how politics and prudishness can eclipse history. GUESTS: David Gordon White, editor of "Tantra in Practice"; author of "Kiss of the Yogini: Tantric Sex in its South Asian Contexts"; author of "The Alchemical Body: Siddha Traditions in Medieval India"; etc. Wendy Doniger, Professor of the History of Religions at the University of Chicago. She has produced a body of (often controversial) scholarship on esoteric Hinduism, and translations of Sanskrit writings from the Rig Veda to the Kama Sutra. Aired 8/20/04; 48 minutes. http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2004/08/20040820_b_main.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 93 , "msbauju" <msbauju> > , "Flo" <fgarig@b...> wrote: > > Could some one tell me why one would want > > or need to ingest [body fluids]? > > Arjuna T. suggests reading _The Kiss of The Yogini_. Of course this book gives only scientific perspective on this matter and it lacks mystical insight. However to have some proper idea of kaula practices it is rather useful, also it has much precious data provided. The most essential to study are Tantras and traditional commentaries - but here people get a problem with language and specific terms used. For this reason academic sourses are better than nothing. At least they are usually not misleading unlike some books by modern "masters" like Shivananda or Satyananda... Otherwise, it would be benefitial to read Yoni-tantra, 22 chapter of Jnanarnava, 29 chapter of Tantraloka, some parts of Kularnava and some other works, like Tarabhaktirahasya-dipika and Kulapujana- chandrika. That gives general context of mentioned practice as well as some important details. Love is the law, love under will. A. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I thought kaulas indulge such practices inorder to get rid of the duality of good or bad, nice or filty.. etc. or it may be the act of doing an act which others find unacceptable.an I think it is little to do with health. consuming someother persons Body fluid may be dangerous to health. - In , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > Actually it says more about the mentality of people. > who think by being in complete denial of the hard or > icky facts of Reality they are going to make any kind > of spiritual progress at all...de of their > mouth they proclaim "God is in everything" and with > the other side, they completely negate their > declaration by condemning methodologies that seek to > forcefully reunite Reality with awareness because they > are "distasteful" and "polluting". If God is indeed > "in everything" then these methods are just as > effective as any others, in fact more so, because all > delusion about Reality is dispensed with! Such > spiritual hypocrites can never expect to even approach > the Gates of the Higher Awareness. I certainly have > never noticed that such types, like yourself, for > instance, have got any lock on attainment...quite the > contrary, in fact! > Lilith M. > --- omprem <omprem> wrote: > > > > > ***While consumption of sexual fluids and mestrual > > blood in fact > > was and is at the very heart of kaula-tantric > > practice**** > > > > > > This kaula practice gets weirder and more > > unbelievable with > > each post. Its certainly makes one wonder about > > the mentality > > of those who follow it. > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 *** Hi all, I am new--- and this post was the second one I actually got. Could some one tell me why one would want or need to ingest these things?*** Well, Flo, don't hold your breath awaiting a reasonable justification for these practices. Usually, when these practices come up in dicsussion there are two types of responses: the first is a flurry of devotees saying that they don't do these practices and if they do, they do it only in moderation; and second there are those pot-heads, acid-heads, and others of skewed perception who proudly say they do these things and if you can't understand it, then to hell with you after which they go into a personal attack on you. Be prepared and welcome to the nut house. Just be patient and wait for the better posts to appear. Omprem , "Flo" <fgarig@b...> wrote: > > Hi all, I am new--- and this post was the second one I actually got. Could some one tell me why one would want or need to ingest these things? > > Thanks, > Flo > > tantrayudha > > Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:15 PM > Re: TANTRA GOES SCIENTIFIC > > > > If you don't know what the mandate of this group is, we are all in > big trouble. Our group exists as an effort to interest people and > organizations in arranging Experimental Research into Urine Tantra > and Project Genesis. Urine Tantra is the same as Urine Therapy, > except that we also use semen, menstruum and milk, and, instead of > drinking their own, all such fluids are exchanged by a man and woman, > while fasting on water, or at least on a meager liquid diet. No > solids should go in, and none of the four above mentioned substances > should escape. Everything should be recycled by this Exchange Method. > One should fast this Way until the ribs protrude. Then take light > liquid nourishment. > > This Tantric Process would be as if one had two cups of bioplasma, > one male and the other female. If they continuously pour themselves > into each other, theoretically, at some point, the contents of the > two cups would be almost identical. In other words, the man and woman > might then have the same bioplasma. Like the Bible said: Before > the "fall from Paradise (Heaven)", Adam and Eve were "as ONE FLESH". > Then, they ate forbidden solids, aged, became ashamed of their > bodies, and, therefore, could not return to the Tantric(?) food from > the "Tree of Life". Joining the bioplasma could cause the chromosomes > of the pair to separate and join into a New Embryonic DNA Genetic > Code. Perhaps this is what St. John called "the white stone with a > New Name". Changes in the DNA Genetic Code should be constantly > monitored. > > If one feels burdened by excessive fluids, there are two ways to > reduce one's body fluids, without pissing it down the drain. One is > Hyperthermia, such as a steam bath or sauna. Far Infrared Saunas are > the best, since they penetrate the tissue several inches, without > excessive temperature. In other words, they generate more > perspiration at a lower temperature. I have seen portable models for > under $500. The increased tissue penetration itself might be > therapeutic. Read up on it. Also, there is the possibility of Freeze- > Drying urine, and putting it in capsules or adding it to juices. The > Freeze-Dry Method might be an option for those delicate souls who > don't want to drink urine. > > People who are ashamed of their bodies, will not desire to drink > urine, and all Tantric commentary will be as nothing to those who are > thus blinded. But the Lord is merciful, and a new form of Plasma- > Mixing was invented and developed by Hermetic Scientist, Karen > Douglas Snow. It is called Project Genesis, whereby the blood streams > of a man and woman, of the same blood type, are joined by intravenous > tubes. This I.V. Method is very promising, due to the fact that it is > so easy, once one has overcome the problem of how to organize such an > experiment in a society gone mad. Don't look to me to approach > others, in hopes of arranging such experimentation. That is your job. > All I have done is to suggest what might be best for you to do. If > you fail to do so, the portents of such a defeat for life, is quite > ominous. Please start working on this Project for World Life and > Peace. May the Father-Mother God watch over us all. Jai Om. Sw. > Tantrasangha > > > > , "Arjuna Taradasa" > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > 93 > > > > , "tantrayudha" > > <tantrayudha> wrote: > > > > Just a small request, plz do not mix urinotherapy with Tantra - it > is > > in no way connected with it. Personally i think it's ridiculous to > > drink ur own urine - however i don't know if it may have any > benefit > > for health, just i strongly doubt that. But what we can say for > sure, > > urinotherapy has nothing to do with tantric practice and ritual > (even > > in the case it has something to do with treatment LOL). > > > > Only two mentions of drinking urine i have encountered in > scriptures > > so far. First case was of certain magical ritual (and NOT sadhana) > > while second one was connected with drinking not ur own urine, but > of > > ur partner in vama-sadhana. In some sects like vaishnava sahajiyas > or > > aghoris there existed some practices connected with urine and > > excrements, but never it was drinking of one's one urine. So > > urinotherapy can be either stupidity (i think it is LOL) or a kind > of > > medical method but for sure not a spiritual practice or tantric > > ritual. > > > > While consumption of sexual fluids and mestrual blood in fact was > and > > is at the very heart of kaula-tantric practice... > > > > A. > Sponsor > > Eliminate Your Debt! > · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available > · Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. > > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > > > > > Sponsor > > Eliminate Your Debt! > · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available > · Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. > > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 ***With one side of their mouth they proclaim "God is in everything" and with the other side, they completely negate their declaration by condemning methodologies that seek to forcefully reunite Reality with awareness*** So, following your argument, the 'Gates of Higher Awareness' could be reached even easier by taking in Ebola, Hanta or West Nile viruses. How about having unprotected sex with AIDS sufferers? All of those have quite forceful effects. Those last days of delirium and coma and the last few moments before death must be laden with spiritual insight, yes? These high risk ventures along with all the other questionable practices already discussed in this group only demonstrate the unsuitability for spiritual advancement in this life of those who support them. But smoke another joint and everything will be OK. Omprem , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > Actually it says more about the mentality of people > who think by being in complete denial of the hard or > icky facts of Reality they are going to make any kind > of spiritual progress at all... With one side of their > mouth they proclaim "God is in everything" and with > the other side, they completely negate their > declaration by condemning methodologies that seek to > forcefully reunite Reality with awareness because they > are "distasteful" and "polluting". If God is indeed > "in everything" then these methods are just as > effective as any others, in fact more so, because all > delusion about Reality is dispensed with! Such > spiritual hypocrites can never expect to even approach > the Gates of the Higher Awareness. I certainly have > never noticed that such types, like yourself, for > instance, have got any lock on attainment...quite the > contrary, in fact! > Lilith M. > --- omprem <omprem> wrote: > > > > > ***While consumption of sexual fluids and mestrual > > blood in fact > > was and is at the very heart of kaula-tantric > > practice**** > > > > > > This kaula practice gets weirder and more > > unbelievable with > > each post. Its certainly makes one wonder about > > the mentality > > of those who follow it. > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Sir, To which group your responses Belong ???? _______k______ -- In , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > *** Hi all, I am new--- and this post was the second one I actually > got. Could some one tell me why one would want or need to > ingest these things?*** > > Well, Flo, don't hold your breath awaiting a reasonable > justification for these practices. > > Usually, when these practices come up in dicsussion there are > two types of responses: the first is a flurry of devotees saying > that they don't do these practices and if they do, they do it only in > moderation; and second there are those pot-heads, acid-heads, > and others of skewed perception who proudly say they do these > things and if you can't understand it, then to hell with you after > which they go into a personal attack on you. > > Be prepared and welcome to the nut house. Just be patient and > wait for the better posts to appear. > > Omprem > > > , "Flo" <fgarig@b...> > wrote: > > > > Hi all, I am new--- and this post was the second one I actually > got. Could some one tell me why one would want or need to > ingest these things? > > > > Thanks, > > Flo > > > > tantrayudha > > > > Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:15 PM > > Re: TANTRA GOES SCIENTIFIC > > > > > > > > If you don't know what the mandate of this group is, we are > all in > > big trouble. Our group exists as an effort to interest people > and > > organizations in arranging Experimental Research into Urine > Tantra > > and Project Genesis. Urine Tantra is the same as Urine > Therapy, > > except that we also use semen, menstruum and milk, and, > instead of > > drinking their own, all such fluids are exchanged by a man > and woman, > > while fasting on water, or at least on a meager liquid diet. No > > solids should go in, and none of the four above mentioned > substances > > should escape. Everything should be recycled by this > Exchange Method. > > One should fast this Way until the ribs protrude. Then take > light > > liquid nourishment. > > > > This Tantric Process would be as if one had two cups of > bioplasma, > > one male and the other female. If they continuously pour > themselves > > into each other, theoretically, at some point, the contents of > the > > two cups would be almost identical. In other words, the man > and woman > > might then have the same bioplasma. Like the Bible said: > Before > > the "fall from Paradise (Heaven)", Adam and Eve were "as > ONE FLESH". > > Then, they ate forbidden solids, aged, became ashamed of > their > > bodies, and, therefore, could not return to the Tantric(?) food > from > > the "Tree of Life". Joining the bioplasma could cause the > chromosomes > > of the pair to separate and join into a New Embryonic DNA > Genetic > > Code. Perhaps this is what St. John called "the white stone > with a > > New Name". Changes in the DNA Genetic Code should be > constantly > > monitored. > > > > If one feels burdened by excessive fluids, there are two ways > to > > reduce one's body fluids, without pissing it down the drain. > One is > > Hyperthermia, such as a steam bath or sauna. Far Infrared > Saunas are > > the best, since they penetrate the tissue several inches, > without > > excessive temperature. In other words, they generate more > > perspiration at a lower temperature. I have seen portable > models for > > under $500. The increased tissue penetration itself might be > > therapeutic. Read up on it. Also, there is the possibility of > Freeze- > > Drying urine, and putting it in capsules or adding it to juices. > The > > Freeze-Dry Method might be an option for those delicate > souls who > > don't want to drink urine. > > > > People who are ashamed of their bodies, will not desire to > drink > > urine, and all Tantric commentary will be as nothing to those > who are > > thus blinded. But the Lord is merciful, and a new form of > Plasma- > > Mixing was invented and developed by Hermetic Scientist, > Karen > > Douglas Snow. It is called Project Genesis, whereby the > blood streams > > of a man and woman, of the same blood type, are joined by > intravenous > > tubes. This I.V. Method is very promising, due to the fact that > it is > > so easy, once one has overcome the problem of how to > organize such an > > experiment in a society gone mad. Don't look to me to > approach > > others, in hopes of arranging such experimentation. That is > your job. > > All I have done is to suggest what might be best for you to > do. If > > you fail to do so, the portents of such a defeat for life, is quite > > ominous. Please start working on this Project for World Life > and > > Peace. May the Father-Mother God watch over us all. Jai Om. > Sw. > > Tantrasangha > > > > > > > > , "Arjuna > Taradasa" > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > > > 93 > > > > > > , "tantrayudha" > > > <tantrayudha> wrote: > > > > > > Just a small request, plz do not mix urinotherapy with > Tantra - it > > is > > > in no way connected with it. Personally i think it's ridiculous > to > > > drink ur own urine - however i don't know if it may have any > > benefit > > > for health, just i strongly doubt that. But what we can say for > > sure, > > > urinotherapy has nothing to do with tantric practice and > ritual > > (even > > > in the case it has something to do with treatment LOL). > > > > > > Only two mentions of drinking urine i have encountered in > > scriptures > > > so far. First case was of certain magical ritual (and NOT > sadhana) > > > while second one was connected with drinking not ur own > urine, but > > of > > > ur partner in vama-sadhana. In some sects like vaishnava > sahajiyas > > or > > > aghoris there existed some practices connected with urine > and > > > excrements, but never it was drinking of one's one urine. > So > > > urinotherapy can be either stupidity (i think it is LOL) or a > kind > > of > > > medical method but for sure not a spiritual practice or > tantric > > > ritual. > > > > > > While consumption of sexual fluids and mestrual blood in > fact was > > and > > > is at the very heart of kaula-tantric practice... > > > > > > A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Eliminate Your Debt! > > · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors > available > > · Click here to find out how you can become > free from debt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- -------------- > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Eliminate Your Debt! > > · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors > available > > · Click here to find out how you can become > free from debt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 In this age of AIDS, hepatitis, and Goddess knows what other sexually-transmitted diseases, the idea of exchanging sexual fluids indecriminantly will make you very, very dead. I have gout. My uric acid level is usually around 11. (I think "normal" is around 5.) Some years ago, curious about urine therapy, I actually did drink my own urine for a couple of days. The super-concentration of uric acid in my system set off a gout attack I won't ever forget! I recall reading in some obscure book of Jyotish (Vedic astrology) remedies that drinking your own urine will help get rid of negative influences from Rahu (the Moon's North Node). Still not recommended for people with unusually high uric acid levels. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:15:37 -0000 "tantrayudha" <tantrayudha writes: > > > If you don't know what the mandate of this group is, we are all in > big trouble. Our group exists as an effort to interest people and > organizations in arranging Experimental Research into Urine Tantra > and Project Genesis. Urine Tantra is the same as Urine Therapy, > except that we also use semen, menstruum and milk, and, instead of > drinking their own, all such fluids are exchanged by a man and > woman, > while fasting on water, or at least on a meager liquid diet. No > solids should go in, and none of the four above mentioned substances > ______________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 ***I thought kaulas indulge such practices inorder to get rid of the duality of good or bad, nice or filty.. etc*** How would performing those acts result in viveka or vairagya? The very fact that these people feel the need to do these actions demonstrates that they are still firmly in the grip of duality. They perform these acts as an attempt to move beyond duality but they are in duality's grip nevertheless. *** it may be the act of doing an act which others find unacceptable*** And the purpose of doing something that others find objectionable would be what? It is an egregious act of ego pure and simple. It shows a determination to act from within the ego. It also shows that those people have a very dense mentality, something akin to those to who have to learn the hard way. Omprem .., "kesava Prasaad" <keshavaprasadkh> wrote: > > I thought kaulas indulge such practices inorder to get rid of the > duality of good or bad, nice or filty.. etc. > or it may be the act of doing an act which others find unacceptable.an > I think it is little to do with health. consuming someother persons > Body fluid may be dangerous to health. > > > - In , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> > wrote: > > Actually it says more about the mentality of people. > > who think by being in complete denial of the hard or > > icky facts of Reality they are going to make any kind > > of spiritual progress at all...de of their > > mouth they proclaim "God is in everything" and with > > the other side, they completely negate their > > declaration by condemning methodologies that seek to > > forcefully reunite Reality with awareness because they > > are "distasteful" and "polluting". If God is indeed > > "in everything" then these methods are just as > > effective as any others, in fact more so, because all > > delusion about Reality is dispensed with! Such > > spiritual hypocrites can never expect to even approach > > the Gates of the Higher Awareness. I certainly have > > never noticed that such types, like yourself, for > > instance, have got any lock on attainment...quite the > > contrary, in fact! > > Lilith M. > > --- omprem <omprem> wrote: > > > > > > > > ***While consumption of sexual fluids and mestrual > > > blood in fact > > > was and is at the very heart of kaula-tantric > > > practice**** > > > > > > > > > This kaula practice gets weirder and more > > > unbelievable with > > > each post. Its certainly makes one wonder about > > > the mentality > > > of those who follow it. > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > > www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 You are absolutely right, I should have spelled out that there are two types of responses FROM THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM. I assumed that this last clause would be inferred from the context but I guess that I was wrong. There is, of course, the third group who wonder about the validity of the practices and the mentality of those who perform them. Omprem , "kesava Prasaad" <keshavaprasadkh> wrote: > > Sir, > To which group your responses Belong ???? > > _______k______ > > > -- In , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > > > *** Hi all, I am new--- and this post was the second one I actually > > got. Could some one tell me why one would want or need to > > ingest these things?*** > > > > Well, Flo, don't hold your breath awaiting a reasonable > > justification for these practices. > > > > Usually, when these practices come up in dicsussion there are > > two types of responses: the first is a flurry of devotees saying > > that they don't do these practices and if they do, they do it only > in > > moderation; and second there are those pot-heads, acid-heads, > > and others of skewed perception who proudly say they do these > > things and if you can't understand it, then to hell with you after > > which they go into a personal attack on you. > > > > Be prepared and welcome to the nut house. Just be patient and > > wait for the better posts to appear. > > > > Omprem > > > > > > , "Flo" <fgarig@b...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, I am new--- and this post was the second one I actually > > got. Could some one tell me why one would want or need to > > ingest these things? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Flo > > > > > > tantrayudha > > > > > > Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:15 PM > > > Re: TANTRA GOES SCIENTIFIC > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't know what the mandate of this group is, we are > > all in > > > big trouble. Our group exists as an effort to interest people > > and > > > organizations in arranging Experimental Research into Urine > > Tantra > > > and Project Genesis. Urine Tantra is the same as Urine > > Therapy, > > > except that we also use semen, menstruum and milk, and, > > instead of > > > drinking their own, all such fluids are exchanged by a man > > and woman, > > > while fasting on water, or at least on a meager liquid diet. > No > > > solids should go in, and none of the four above mentioned > > substances > > > should escape. Everything should be recycled by this > > Exchange Method. > > > One should fast this Way until the ribs protrude. Then take > > light > > > liquid nourishment. > > > > > > This Tantric Process would be as if one had two cups of > > bioplasma, > > > one male and the other female. If they continuously pour > > themselves > > > into each other, theoretically, at some point, the contents > of > > the > > > two cups would be almost identical. In other words, the man > > and woman > > > might then have the same bioplasma. Like the Bible said: > > Before > > > the "fall from Paradise (Heaven)", Adam and Eve were "as > > ONE FLESH". > > > Then, they ate forbidden solids, aged, became ashamed of > > their > > > bodies, and, therefore, could not return to the Tantric(?) > food > > from > > > the "Tree of Life". Joining the bioplasma could cause the > > chromosomes > > > of the pair to separate and join into a New Embryonic DNA > > Genetic > > > Code. Perhaps this is what St. John called "the white stone > > with a > > > New Name". Changes in the DNA Genetic Code should be > > constantly > > > monitored. > > > > > > If one feels burdened by excessive fluids, there are two ways > > to > > > reduce one's body fluids, without pissing it down the drain. > > One is > > > Hyperthermia, such as a steam bath or sauna. Far Infrared > > Saunas are > > > the best, since they penetrate the tissue several inches, > > without > > > excessive temperature. In other words, they generate more > > > perspiration at a lower temperature. I have seen portable > > models for > > > under $500. The increased tissue penetration itself might be > > > therapeutic. Read up on it. Also, there is the possibility of > > Freeze- > > > Drying urine, and putting it in capsules or adding it to > juices. > > The > > > Freeze-Dry Method might be an option for those delicate > > souls who > > > don't want to drink urine. > > > > > > People who are ashamed of their bodies, will not desire to > > drink > > > urine, and all Tantric commentary will be as nothing to those > > who are > > > thus blinded. But the Lord is merciful, and a new form of > > Plasma- > > > Mixing was invented and developed by Hermetic Scientist, > > Karen > > > Douglas Snow. It is called Project Genesis, whereby the > > blood streams > > > of a man and woman, of the same blood type, are joined by > > intravenous > > > tubes. This I.V. Method is very promising, due to the fact > that > > it is > > > so easy, once one has overcome the problem of how to > > organize such an > > > experiment in a society gone mad. Don't look to me to > > approach > > > others, in hopes of arranging such experimentation. That is > > your job. > > > All I have done is to suggest what might be best for you to > > do. If > > > you fail to do so, the portents of such a defeat for life, is > quite > > > ominous. Please start working on this Project for World Life > > and > > > Peace. May the Father-Mother God watch over us all. Jai Om. > > Sw. > > > Tantrasangha > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Arjuna > > Taradasa" > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > 93 > > > > > > > > , "tantrayudha" > > > > <tantrayudha> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just a small request, plz do not mix urinotherapy with > > Tantra - it > > > is > > > > in no way connected with it. Personally i think it's > ridiculous > > to > > > > drink ur own urine - however i don't know if it may have > any > > > benefit > > > > for health, just i strongly doubt that. But what we can say > for > > > sure, > > > > urinotherapy has nothing to do with tantric practice and > > ritual > > > (even > > > > in the case it has something to do with treatment LOL). > > > > > > > > Only two mentions of drinking urine i have encountered in > > > scriptures > > > > so far. First case was of certain magical ritual (and NOT > > sadhana) > > > > while second one was connected with drinking not ur own > > urine, but > > > of > > > > ur partner in vama-sadhana. In some sects like vaishnava > > sahajiyas > > > or > > > > aghoris there existed some practices connected with urine > > and > > > > excrements, but never it was drinking of one's one urine. > > So > > > > urinotherapy can be either stupidity (i think it is LOL) or > a > > kind > > > of > > > > medical method but for sure not a spiritual practice or > > tantric > > > > ritual. > > > > > > > > While consumption of sexual fluids and mestrual blood in > > fact was > > > and > > > > is at the very heart of kaula-tantric practice... > > > > > > > > A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Eliminate Your Debt! > > > · Get out of Debt Now · > Christian counselors > > available > > > · Click here to find out how > you can become > > free from debt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > -------------- > > > Links > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > b.. > > > > > > > > > c.. > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Eliminate Your Debt! > > > · Get out of Debt Now · Christian > counselors > > available > > > · Click here to find out how you > can become > > free from debt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > Links > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > b.. > > > > > > > > > c.. 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 > There is, of course, the third group who wonder > about the validity > of the practices and the mentality of those who > perform them. > Yes, and then there are people like Ramakrishna Paramahansa, the guru of Swami Vivekananda, and one of the greatest Masters of the Kali Yuga, who attained by similar practices.There is also the Rishi Vasistha, who attained to Tara by intoxication and sexual practices; Bamakhepa, the great ascetic devotee of Tara Ma, the Master "Vimalananda"of "Aghora" fame, and Swami Trilinga, who sent the Bhairavi to Ramakrishna in order to initiate him. Also, the Deity behind such practices is Lord Shiva Himself, the Lord of the Smashan, and the Husband of Devi, who recognized the Devi in the form of a rotting corpse after Vishnu and Brahma turned away, and thus earned the right to be Her Supreme consort. So there is precedent certainly, for the legitimacy of such practices. What IS truly laughable is your constant display of blatant ignorance, smug self-righteousness and spiritual arrogance, while all the time posing as someone spiritually "virtuous" and lecturing about "ego", "delusion" and "non-judgementalism!". Phhhht. One wonders why you bother with this site if all this sort of thing is so "offensive" to your 'holy' sensibilities? Can't you go and fatten your ego somewhere else with others of your ilk? Or do you just hang around so you can look down your nose at everyone, and flaunt your so-called "knowledge"? Lilith M. --- omprem <omprem wrote: > > You are absolutely right, I should have spelled out > that there are > two types of responses FROM THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM. > I > assumed that this last clause would be inferred from > the context > but I guess that I was wrong. > > > Omprem > > > > , "kesava > Prasaad" > <keshavaprasadkh> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > To which group your responses Belong ???? > > > > _______k______ > > > > > > -- In , "omprem" > <omprem> wrote: > > > > > > *** Hi all, I am new--- and this post was the > second one I > actually > > > got. Could some one tell me why one would want > or need to > > > ingest these things?*** > > > > > > Well, Flo, don't hold your breath awaiting a > reasonable > > > justification for these practices. > > > > > > Usually, when these practices come up in > dicsussion there > are > > > two types of responses: the first is a flurry > of devotees saying > > > that they don't do these practices and if they > do, they do it only > > in > > > moderation; and second there are those > pot-heads, > acid-heads, > > > and others of skewed perception who proudly say > they do > these > > > things and if you can't understand it, then to > hell with you after > > > which they go into a personal attack on you. > > > > > > Be prepared and welcome to the nut house. Just > be patient > and > > > wait for the better posts to appear. > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > , "Flo" > <fgarig@b...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, I am new--- and this post was the > second one I > actually > > > got. Could some one tell me why one would want > or need to > > > ingest these things? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Flo > > > > > > > > tantrayudha > > > > > > > > Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:15 PM > > > > Re: TANTRA GOES > SCIENTIFIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't know what the mandate of this > group is, we > are > > > all in > > > > big trouble. Our group exists as an effort > to interest > people > > > and > > > > organizations in arranging Experimental > Research into > Urine > > > Tantra > > > > and Project Genesis. Urine Tantra is the > same as Urine > > > Therapy, > > > > except that we also use semen, menstruum > and milk, > and, > > > instead of > > > > drinking their own, all such fluids are > exchanged by a > man > > > and woman, > > > > while fasting on water, or at least on a > meager liquid diet. > > No > > > > solids should go in, and none of the four > above > mentioned > > > substances > > > > should escape. Everything should be > recycled by this > > > Exchange Method. > > > > One should fast this Way until the ribs > protrude. Then > take > > > light > > > > liquid nourishment. > > > > > > > > This Tantric Process would be as if one > had two cups of > > > bioplasma, > > > > one male and the other female. If they > continuously pour > > > themselves > > > > into each other, theoretically, at some > point, the contents > > of > > > the > > > > two cups would be almost identical. In > other words, the > man > > > and woman > > > > might then have the same bioplasma. Like > the Bible > said: > > > Before > > > > the "fall from Paradise (Heaven)", Adam > and Eve were > "as > > > ONE FLESH". > > > > Then, they ate forbidden solids, aged, > became ashamed > of > > > their > > > > bodies, and, therefore, could not return > to the Tantric(?) > > food > > > from > > > > the "Tree of Life". Joining the bioplasma > could cause the > > > chromosomes > > > > of the pair to separate and join into a > New Embryonic > DNA > > > Genetic > > > > Code. Perhaps this is what St. John called > "the white > stone > > > with a > > > > New Name". Changes in the DNA Genetic Code > should > be > > > constantly > > > > monitored. > > > > > > > > If one feels burdened by excessive fluids, > there are two > ways > > > to > > > > reduce one's body fluids, without pissing > it down the > drain. > > > One is > > > > Hyperthermia, such as a steam bath or > sauna. Far > Infrared > > > Saunas are > > > > the best, since they penetrate the tissue > several inches, > > > without > > > > excessive temperature. In other words, > they generate > more > > > > perspiration at a lower temperature. I > have seen portable > > > models for > > > > under $500. The increased tissue > penetration itself > might be > === message truncated === Meet the all-new My - Try it today! 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I understand the use of body fluids in magic, I just am not sure I want to trade fluids with my husband...not some of them anyway. Thank you Omprem. Flo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Thanks for being so sweet, Lili. You remind me of the Lotus, which is a WATER lily. Padmasambhava is said to have been "born" from such a lily, i.e. "born of water"(?). For more info., just go the group below. It is not proper to impose such info. in someone else's group. Jai Om, i.e. "the jewel in the Lotus". First grade level Tantra Vidya, a rarety. You can see most ain't gonna get it. Maybe some more rituals will do the trick(?). Sai Ram geneticrejuvenation/ Slaughter is already assured, and it is your own problem how you shall escape it. Please reread the messages, and all is clear. If You are too afraid to be a "guinea pig", I would be happy to take your place if you can find me the right partner who is willing. After all, urine fasting never harmed anyone, so I have nothing to lose but ill health and early death, and I everything to gain. You must not think, after all I have done for you, that I shall beg you to save yourself with needless, endless commentaries in a hopeless situation. You are already a herd of lemmings running pell-mell to the cliff's edge. Why bewail that I have suggested that you stop? I have already given you more Tantra Vidya than any teacher in history ever gave anybody! It is enough! You must now decide your own course of action. You must abandon the idea that I or Jesus is going to do it for you, or that someone else is going to sacrifice themselves for you. You are entirely on your own, until such time that the members of this group decide to form a commune or community of Tantrics. A parable: A man had a small child. They went walking together in the woods when a bad guy jumped out and grabbed the child. "What are you doing?" the father asked. "I am going to kill the child", the bad guy said. "Let him go", the father pleaded. "If you don't get out of here, I am going to beat your ass!" the bad guy said. The father went home without the child. When his wife saw him, she asked what happened to the child. The father then told her what happened. "You allowed our child to be murdered without your life even being threatened?" screamed the mother. What is even more ironic is that you forfeit your own lives and those of your family in fear of what? What was it you were going to lose? Irrationality and timidity is a cruel taskmaster with hell to pay. Jai Om. - Sw. Tantrasangha urinetantrasalvation, "John Mathieson" <johndplumber@o...> wrote: > Hi Swami > That is interesting, how interesting but for an experiment to take place > to create proof what needed is conditions would such an experiment > require > How long in time would it take and what place how is the DNA to be > tested what would be the age off the ones being tested how many tests > need to be carried out to substantiate proof of any DNA changes its all > well and good that your asking for gunnie pigs to conduct experiments > but ay the same time are we being asked to become as a herd of cattle to > slaughter on the premise of what may turn out to be misinterpreted > scriptures. > Aummmmmmmmm > John Mathieson > > -- > > > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.3.1 - Release Date: 15/11/2004 > > > > > If you don't know what the mandate of this group is, we are all in > big trouble. Our group exists as an effort to interest people and > organizations in arranging Experimental Research into Urine Tantra > and Project Genesis. Urine Tantra is the same as Urine Therapy, > except that we also use semen, menstruum and milk, and, instead of > drinking their own, all such fluids are exchanged by a man and woman, > while fasting on water, or at least on a meager liquid diet. No > solids should go in, and none of the four above mentioned substances > should escape. Everything should be recycled by this Exchange Method. > One should fast this Way until the ribs protrude. Then take light > liquid nourishment. > > This Tantric Process would be as if one had two cups of bioplasma, > one male and the other female. If they continuously pour themselves > into each other, theoretically, at some point, the contents of the > two cups would be almost identical. In other words, the man and woman > might then have the same bioplasma. Like the Bible said: Before > the "fall from Paradise (Heaven)", Adam and Eve were "as ONE FLESH". > Then, they ate forbidden solids, aged, became ashamed of their > bodies, and, therefore, could not return to the Tantric(?) food from > the "Tree of Life". Joining the bioplasma could cause the chromosomes > of the pair to separate and join into a New Embryonic DNA Genetic > Code. Perhaps this is what St. John called "the white stone with a > New Name". Changes in the DNA Genetic Code should be constantly > monitored. > > If one feels burdened by excessive fluids, there are two ways to > reduce one's body fluids, without pissing it down the drain. One is > Hyperthermia, such as a steam bath or sauna. Far Infrared Saunas are > the best, since they penetrate the tissue several inches, without > excessive temperature. In other words, they generate more > perspiration at a lower temperature. I have seen portable models for > under $500. The increased tissue penetration itself might be > therapeutic. Read up on it. Also, there is the possibility of Freeze- > Drying urine, and putting it in capsules or adding it to juices. The > Freeze-Dry Method might be an option for those delicate souls who > don't want to drink urine. > > People who are ashamed of their bodies, will not desire to drink > urine, and all Tantric commentary will be as nothing to those who are > thus blinded. But the Lord is merciful, and a new form of Plasma- > Mixing was invented and developed by Hermetic Scientist, Karen > Douglas Snow. It is called Project Genesis, whereby the blood streams > of a man and woman, of the same blood type, are joined by intravenous > tubes. This I.V. Method is very promising, due to the fact that it is > so easy, once one has overcome the problem of how to organize such an > experiment in a society gone mad. Don't look to me to approach > others, in hopes of arranging such experimentation. That is your job. > All I have done is to suggest what might be best for you to do. If > you fail to do so, the portents of such a defeat for life, is quite > ominous. Please start working on this Project for World Life and > Peace. May the Father-Mother God watch over us all. Jai Om. Sw. > Tantrasangha > , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > Actually it says more about the mentality of people > who think by being in complete denial of the hard or > icky facts of Reality they are going to make any kind > of spiritual progress at all... With one side of their > mouth they proclaim "God is in everything" and with > the other side, they completely negate their > declaration by condemning methodologies that seek to > forcefully reunite Reality with awareness because they > are "distasteful" and "polluting". If God is indeed > "in everything" then these methods are just as > effective as any others, in fact more so, because all > delusion about Reality is dispensed with! Such > spiritual hypocrites can never expect to even approach > the Gates of the Higher Awareness. I certainly have > never noticed that such types, like yourself, for > instance, have got any lock on attainment...quite the > contrary, in fact! > Lilith M. > --- omprem <omprem> wrote: > > > > > ***While consumption of sexual fluids and mestrual > > blood in fact > > was and is at the very heart of kaula-tantric > > practice**** > > > > > > This kaula practice gets weirder and more > > unbelievable with > > each post. Its certainly makes one wonder about > > the mentality > > of those who follow it. > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Esteemed student of Tantra, Lilith. I think you should be a lady general at Kurukshetra Jihad. It would be no small comfort to lonely Arjuna. You have indeed studied the Tantras - both Hindu and Mahayana and have perused Autobiography of a Yogi. Yogananda was the only one in that Mountain Order without a Shakti Ma. Padmasambhava would surely give you a kiss for your sacred efforts. If you wish, go directly to Urine Tantra Salvation @ . Or the other site is just as good. I regret that you stand alone at this mini-Armageddon (Valley of DECISION), so I thought I would just back you up a little, you rascal righteous doll! Love, Sai Ram , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > > > There is, of course, the third group who wonder > > about the validity > > of the practices and the mentality of those who > > perform them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Thanks Len. I am sorry you had a bad reaction. That is one of the first I have heard of. Perhaps Uremia or Gout don't respond well(?). I know that, theoretically, many assume there would be a buildup of Urea and Uric Acid, but yours is the first actual case I have heard of. Please email me sometime. Your case is very interesting and deserves attention. Sai Ram , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > Some years ago, curious about urine therapy, I actually > did drink my own urine for a couple of days. The super- concentration of > uric acid in my system set off a gout attack I won't ever forget! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 In a message dated 11/15/2004 5:49:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, omprem writes: And the purpose of doing something that others find objectionable would be what? It is an egregious act of ego pure and simple. It shows a determination to act from within the ego. It also shows that those people have a very dense mentality, something akin to those to who have to learn the hard way. You're wrong right there my friend because objectionable acts have often led to positive revolution and change. Also in this age, do you really think a liberated person would not be seen as objectionable by the majority? You are intelligent and well researcheed, honestly I like msot of what you have to say. But, you make some derogatory comments periodically that are uncalled for and betray the cause of spiritual advancement. Like the comment about "smoke another joint and everything will be ok" I'm sorry, but there have been plenty of great and influential people who also enjoyed occassional substance use. I myself no successful people like that and I am not saying their habits make them better, but it certainly makes them no worse, it simply is a part of who they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 93 , "Flo" <fgarig@b...> wrote: > I understand the use of body fluids in magic, I just am not sure I want to trade fluids with my husband...not some of them anyway. BTW noone told that these practices are meant for experiment with sombody. They are done ONLY when u get initiation into Kula and needed instructions. People that are not practically into kaula-sadhana cannot even imagine the power and inner meaning of specific rituals. For this reason kula- vidya is called rahasyati-rahasya (the most secret of all secrets) in Scriptures... Similar practices in western mysticism were kept in secret as well amd were transmitted only to initiates. Thus is the case with instructions of 9th degree of O.'.T.'.O.'. Order. Besides, never it is told that kaulika goes on copulating with whomever and getting all kinds of deseases LOL. This kind of criticism is fake for the simple reason - people like omprem criticise their own ideas about kaulism that have nothing to do with actual truth. Good method, yeah? - u invent some nonsense then ascribe it to some tradition and then u say - "see, i told u all! that's NONSENSE!" )) Seek the Truth and U shall dwell in Truth. A. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 omprem wrote: >The very fact that these people feel the need to do these actions >demonstrates that they are still firmly in the grip of duality. They >perform these acts as an attempt to move beyond duality but they >are in duality's grip nevertheless. > > Reportedly some tantrikas had sexual intercourse with low caste women just to break cultural taboos. Cultural taboos might be an obstacle to personal development. For example muslims killing their daughters if they have sex before marriage etc. If they manage to break this cultural taboo they will benefit. In the same way some anti-drugfanatics ought to now and then smoke some marijuana, then they wouldn't waste so much energy to defeat drugs. After all, inhaling the smoke of some burning leaves can't be that dangerous, not so dangerous as constructing nuclear weapons I guess... Best Regards Lars Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Arjuna Taradasa wrote: >93 > >At least they are usually not misleading unlike some books >by modern "masters" like Shivananda or Satyananda... > > In what ways are the books of the authors mentioned misleading? Best regards Lars >Otherwise, it would be benefitial to read Yoni-tantra, 22 chapter of >Jnanarnava, 29 chapter of Tantraloka, some parts of Kularnava and >some other works, like Tarabhaktirahasya-dipika and Kulapujana- >chandrika. That gives general context of mentioned practice as well >as some important details. > >Love is the law, love under will. >A. > > > > > >* Sponsor* > > >*Eliminate Your Debt!* >· Get out of Debt Now *· * Christian counselors available ><http://us.ard./SIG=1297gh7eg/M=286225.5559193.6629217.2152211/D=group\ s/S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1100641150/A=2418481/R=0/SIG=11qutbrl4/*http://etools.ncol\ ..com/a/debtxs/bg_debtxs_3_91.html> > >· *Click here * to find out how you can become free from debt. ><http://us.ard./SIG=1297gh7eg/M=286225.5559193.6629217.2152211/D=group\ s/S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1100641150/A=2418481/R=1/SIG=11qutbrl4/*http://etools.ncol\ ..com/a/debtxs/bg_debtxs_3_91.html> > > > >-\ - >* Links* > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * Terms of Service > <>. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 I have already given you more Tantra Vidya than any teacher in history ever gave anybody! It is enough! You must now decide your own course of action. You must abandon the idea that I or Jesus is going to do it for you, or that someone else is going to sacrifice themselves for you. You are entirely on your own, until such time that the members of this group decide to form a commune or community of Tantrics. -----Patent crap, and so is all of your piss oriented conclusions. I feel soiled and disgusted that someone can interpret all of religion in terms of the the malas or waste products of the human body. I have tried to block your disgusting drivel previously but unfortunately you pop back up with a new name. But thanks to you and Jesus, I have in fact now abandoned the idea that you two will do anything like force me to drink piss and blood. There is something called grace which piss and blood drinkers will be of forever bereft. There is something called beauty, which can't be of the person with urine wet lips. In fact, other people misinterpret scriptures too. But you remind me most of Anton LaVey who was very good at warping everything to support his own conclusions. This isn't scientific or religious but merely perverted. I hate to see the look on your face when you see a sweet teen and start thinking about drinking their urine. Because, once you develop a taste for the extrusions you will obviously then develop preferences. In the same way that you have shaped your rediculous creed of urinology, it will shape you as well, until you are also redickulous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 tantrayudha <tantrayudha wrote: If you don't know what the mandate of this group is, we are all in big trouble.== We know what the mandate of the group is. So there is no confusion. Our group exists as an effort to interest people and organizations in arranging Experimental Research into Urine Tantra and Project Genesis. …………………………………………………………….==This is not the forum for this please. And I am very sad that the word “Tanra” is added to all this. I have nothing against anybody eating or drinking anything. But please this has nothing to do with tantra This Tantric Process……. == C’mon please do not misuse this word. People who are ashamed of their bodies, will not desire to drink urine, and all Tantric commentary will be as nothing to those who are thus blinded. == This is not tantric commentary. This is a lot of what I do not know. This is NOT TANTRA. Let’s stop this topic. But the Lord is merciful, and a new form of Plasma- Mixing was invented and developed by Hermetic Scientist, Karen Douglas Snow. So this Karen is the rishi is it? If I say more it will offend some so I am refraining. ===My dear Tanrayudha I just say this is not part of the subject we deal with it. So lets stop it. Yo may post in your own groups. Not here. Thank you. And I agree with arjuna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 ***After all, inhaling the smoke of some burning leaves can't be that dangerous, not so dangerous as constructing nuclear weapons I guess...*** I wonder how the total of those killed by smoking tobacco leaves would compare with the total of those killed by nuclear weapons? My guess is the former would win by an enormous margin. Omprem , Lars Hedström <lars@2...> wrote: > omprem wrote: > > >The very fact that these people feel the need to do these actions > >demonstrates that they are still firmly in the grip of duality. They > >perform these acts as an attempt to move beyond duality but they > >are in duality's grip nevertheless. > > > > > > Reportedly some tantrikas had sexual intercourse with low caste women > just to break cultural taboos. > > Cultural taboos might be an obstacle to personal development. > > For example muslims killing their daughters if they have sex before > marriage etc. > > If they manage to break this cultural taboo they will benefit. > > In the same way some anti-drugfanatics ought to now and then smoke some > marijuana, then they wouldn't waste so much energy to defeat drugs. > > After all, inhaling the smoke of some burning leaves can't be that > dangerous, not so dangerous as constructing nuclear weapons I guess... > > Best Regards > > Lars Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Dear Len: It could be possible that this therapy is unsuitable for people who are active, and who eat meat. The level of uric acid in the urine of active meat eaters is much higher, due to metabolites of protein. A sadhu spends hours sitting still meditating and does not eat meat, as a rule, so it may be that urine therapy may work for them but not for more active people. Vegetarians rarely get gout. Lilith M. --- tantrayudha <tantrayudha wrote: > > Thanks Len. I am sorry you had a bad reaction. That > is one of the first I have heard of. Perhaps Uremia > or Gout don't respond well(?). I know that, > theoretically, many assume there would be a buildup > of Urea and Uric Acid, but yours is the first actual > case I have heard of. Please email me sometime. Your > case is very interesting and deserves attention. > > Sai Ram > > , > kalipadma@j... wrote: > > > > Some years ago, curious about urine therapy, I > actually > > did drink my own urine for a couple of days. The > super- > concentration of > > uric acid in my system set off a gout attack I > won't ever forget! > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 The difference here is that one has an option to kill oneself by tobacco or not. The Bomb doesn't give choices. But I strongly suspect the total killed by the Bomb will rise sharply in the future..when weapons are built they "demand" to be used. The thing that astounds me is that there hasn't been a real real "incident" yet. It can only be by the grace of the Mother and Father that this is so! But the law of averages says it has to come sooner or later..good karma doesn't last forever. Lilith M. --- omprem <omprem wrote: > > ***After all, inhaling the smoke of some burning > leaves can't be > that dangerous, not so dangerous as constructing > nuclear > weapons I guess...*** > > > I wonder how the total of those killed by smoking > tobacco leaves > would compare with the total of those killed by > nuclear > weapons? My guess is the former would win by an > enormous > margin. > > Omprem > > > , Lars Hedström > > <lars@2...> wrote: > > omprem wrote: > > > > >The very fact that these people feel the need to > do these > actions > > >demonstrates that they are still firmly in the > grip of duality. > They > > >perform these acts as an attempt to move beyond > duality but > they > > >are in duality's grip nevertheless. > > > > > > > > > > Reportedly some tantrikas had sexual intercourse > with low > caste women > > just to break cultural taboos. > > > > Cultural taboos might be an obstacle to personal > development. > > > > For example muslims killing their daughters if > they have sex > before > > marriage etc. > > > > If they manage to break this cultural taboo they > will benefit. > > > > In the same way some anti-drugfanatics ought to > now and then > smoke some > > marijuana, then they wouldn't waste so much > energy to defeat > drugs. > > > > After all, inhaling the smoke of some burning > leaves can't be > that > > dangerous, not so dangerous as constructing > nuclear > weapons I guess... > > > > Best Regards > > > > Lars > > > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Lili Masamura wrote: >The difference here is that one has an option to kill >oneself by tobacco or not. The Bomb doesn't give >choices. But I strongly suspect the total killed by >the Bomb will rise sharply in the future.. > Especially since more and more countries get nuclear weapons. Not long ago India scrambled with its nuclear weapons. What would you think about a little nuclear war in India sweeping out the whole yogatradition? Best Regards Lars Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
