Law of Karma

July 1, 2004

Most of the scriptures say that The Karmas ,i.e good and bad deeds

of an individual is transported to his next life.

but some people say that good/bad deeds of a person goes to his family

in future. which one of them is correct.if both are correct,then to

what extent?

kesav

July 1, 2004

How can one accurately analyse and organize a life acording to Karma?? My

position in life has always been odd....I was born to a imple broken home of

manual labor types, yet always persued spiritual, artistic and intellectual

interests since I was a boy. I am the exact opposite in disposition to the rest

of

my family!!!

It has always been a source of friction in my life but I take it like all

things and it is a mystery of this birth given by MA.

But I ask my friends, brothers and sisters of this group, is there a way to

understand ones Karma and position in this world???

I ask because I think many people who do not possess a Karmic understanding

fall pray to the worlds traps and the whims of the Three Gunas.

its a serious question!

July 1, 2004

the law of karma is for individual only. it is family/surrounding

related in the sense that the law of karma teaches us by experience.

let us suppose I kill somebody in this birth, it is immediately

recorded by the soul and in the forthcoming birth in which I will have

burn it by experience, before coming to this birth I choose to balance

it by experiencing the death of my son. then the coming son who will

be coming have his individual karma which suits him and me to die.

karma is personal thing but experience may involve many others. I hope

you get the point.

jatin prakash

, "keshava Prasaad"

<keshavaprasadkh> wrote:

> Most of the scriptures say that The Karmas ,i.e good and bad deeds

> of an individual is transported to his next life.

> but some people say that good/bad deeds of a person goes to his family

> in future. which one of them is correct.if both are correct,then to

> what extent?

>

> kesav

July 1, 2004

A person joins into a family, and ever since, until the day they all die, they

share karma. What karma is not used up will be passed onto the owner of that

karma the next round.

-

keshava Prasaad

Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:22 AM

Law of Karma

Most of the scriptures say that The Karmas ,i.e good and bad deeds

of an individual is transported to his next life.

but some people say that good/bad deeds of a person goes to his family

in future. which one of them is correct.if both are correct,then to

what extent?

kesav

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July 1, 2004

*** I ask my friends, brothers and sisters of this group, is there a

way to understand ones Karma and position in this world??? ***

The only way is through serious, sustained sadhana. Intellectual

analysis and emotional hand-wringing are diverting pastimes, but

will lead nowhere of consequence. Sadhana eventually will; and will

prepare one to receive one's guru, who will "understand one's Karma

and position in this world" and guide accordingly.

*** I ask because I think many people who do not possess a Karmic

understanding fall pray to the worlds traps and the whims of the

Three Gunas. its a serious question! ***

It's a serious answer.

July 1, 2004

It is true that without sadhana it is difficult to acquire details of

one's previous lives and corresponding karmas, yet watching one's

life's events with awareness definitely gives you sufficient clues to

decipher some aspects of it.

For example, in your mail what loomed large was 'source of friction'

the family.

Let's assume an entity X is culturally evolved, refined, moving

forward and 'acknowledges' a lot more than necessary these qualities

in himself. This trait is turning itself into a more pronounced ego

than in others. X insults people for their inferior knowledge, mind

and status, considers himself to be a little god, and along the line

ends up deeply hurting some who loved him dearly and cared

genuinely. After death X realizes like other intelligent

spirits, "I'm my own obstruction toward the growth of my spirit." He

also feels badly about hurting the people who loved him dearly. He

makes a pact with them. "I'll be born as your son, I'll try to make

amends..." He comes back with some of his previous traits,

therefore, has leanings for things other than the material. However,

he has forgotton (like most of us) he has a karma to work out in this

particular set of environment. They exasperate him (they are

supposed to), try his patience, drive him upto the wall - all this is

granted, nonetheless, X has to REACT differently this time around.

He has to approach them with warmth and love and "respect" and try to

understand where THEY come from. It will be a beginning of a thread

he can get hold off, and work his way forward.

The example presented above is just a rhetorical situation.

If we were to react yogically to the situations and events in life -

most of the times we'll be dong the right thing. In order to react

yogically, of course one will have to practice Yoga (any form of

spirituality is meant here); nonetheless, if we don't react out of

likes/dislikes, ego, anger, (God knows, there are scores of other

traits), we end up making not too bad a decision - hence a karma -

either.

Avi

, swastik108@a... wrote:

>

> How can one accurately analyse and organize a life acording to

Karma?? My

> position in life has always been odd....I was born to a imple

broken home of

> manual labor types, yet always persued spiritual, artistic and

intellectual

> interests since I was a boy. I am the exact opposite in disposition

to the rest of

> my family!!!

>

> It has always been a source of friction in my life but I take it

like all

> things and it is a mystery of this birth given by MA.

>

> But I ask my friends, brothers and sisters of this group, is there

a way to

> understand ones Karma and position in this world???

>

> I ask because I think many people who do not possess a Karmic

understanding

> fall pray to the worlds traps and the whims of the Three Gunas.

>

> its a serious question!

>

July 2, 2004

and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release from the cycle of Karma. I am not

sure but I do not think any other sadhana grants that even before you start.

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:*** I ask my friends, brothers and

sisters of this group, is there a

way to understand ones Karma and position in this world??? ***

The only way is through serious, sustained sadhana. Intellectual

analysis and emotional hand-wringing are diverting pastimes, but

will lead nowhere of consequence. Sadhana eventually will; and will

prepare one to receive one's guru, who will "understand one's Karma

and position in this world" and guide accordingly.

*** I ask because I think many people who do not possess a Karmic

understanding fall pray to the worlds traps and the whims of the

Three Gunas. its a serious question! ***

It's a serious answer.

/

July 2, 2004

Respected Menon Ji,

Pranam! Trika Yoga grants the instant release from the cycle of Karma.

"Tirvatam Shaktipath" is descend of extreme Grace on chosen ones.

Regards,

Virendra.

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release from the cycle of Karma. I am not

sure but I do not think any other sadhana grants that even before you start.

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:*** I ask my friends, brothers and

sisters of this group, is there a

way to understand ones Karma and position in this world??? ***

The only way is through serious, sustained sadhana. Intellectual

analysis and emotional hand-wringing are diverting pastimes, but

will lead nowhere of consequence. Sadhana eventually will; and will

prepare one to receive one's guru, who will "understand one's Karma

and position in this world" and guide accordingly.

*** I ask because I think many people who do not possess a Karmic

understanding fall pray to the worlds traps and the whims of the

Three Gunas. its a serious question! ***

It's a serious answer.

/

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July 2, 2004

dear sankara,

I wonder why you said that srividya gives

you release from karma before you start. After you

start and do all the practises/rituals it is

understandable, but how can anything happen before you

start. could you elaborate.

there is one more question i want to ask the learned

members. I want to know the nature of "ego"and what is

meant by ego in spiritual sense. I can understand the

english meaning. for example we say with khadgamal

practice we cut the ego from the body, etc.. like we

read somewhere that you have to dissolve ones ego to

merge itself to the supreme. like we say that lalita

is the primordial energy, etc..with this defintion one

gets the scientific as well as spiritual

understanding. we know where we are heading. in the

same way I wish to know what is ego, if we have to

dissolve it what we have to dissolve in energy/shakti

terms.I hope learned members will understand what I

wish to know an will provide me their view.

thanks.

jatin.

jatin

--- virendra qazi <virendraqazi wrote:

> Respected Menon Ji,

>

> Pranam! Trika Yoga grants the instant release from

> the cycle of Karma.

>

> "Tirvatam Shaktipath" is descend of extreme Grace on

> chosen ones.

>

> Regards,

>

> Virendra.

>

> sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

> and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release from

> the cycle of Karma. I am not sure but I do not think

> any other sadhana grants that even before you start.

>

> Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:*** I ask

> my friends, brothers and sisters of this group, is

> there a

> way to understand ones Karma and position in this

> world??? ***

>

> The only way is through serious, sustained sadhana.

> Intellectual

> analysis and emotional hand-wringing are diverting

> pastimes, but

> will lead nowhere of consequence. Sadhana eventually

> will; and will

> prepare one to receive one's guru, who will

> "understand one's Karma

> and position in this world" and guide accordingly.

>

> *** I ask because I think many people who do not

> possess a Karmic

> understanding fall pray to the worlds traps and the

> whims of the

> Three Gunas. its a serious question! ***

>

> It's a serious answer.

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July 2, 2004

Respected Menon Ji,

Pranam! Trika Yoga grants the instant release from the cycle of Karma.

------"Cup O Soup" also grants instant release from karma.

"Tirvatam Shaktipath" is descend of extreme Grace on chosen ones.

Regards,

Virendra.

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release from the cycle of Karma. I am not

sure but I do not think any other sadhana grants that even before you start.

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:*** I ask my friends, brothers and

sisters of this group, is there a

way to understand ones Karma and position in this world??? ***

The only way is through serious, sustained sadhana. Intellectual

analysis and emotional hand-wringing are diverting pastimes, but

will lead nowhere of consequence. Sadhana eventually will; and will

prepare one to receive one's guru, who will "understand one's Karma

and position in this world" and guide accordingly.

*** I ask because I think many people who do not possess a Karmic

understanding fall pray to the worlds traps and the whims of the

Three Gunas. its a serious question! ***

It's a serious answer.

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July 2, 2004

Because only the very fortunate few get teh deeksha

and with the deeksha we cut off all our previous karmas. The texts say not only

yours but that of 21 generations up and down as against 7 generations up and

down when you take sanyasa deeksha. Thats what i have understood. maybe wrong.

Jatin Prakash <jatinprakash wrote:

dear sankara,

I wonder why you said that srividya gives

you release from karma before you start. After you

start and do all the practises/rituals it is

understandable, but how can anything happen before you

start. could you elaborate.

there is one more question i want to ask the learned

members. I want to know the nature of "ego"and what is

meant by ego in spiritual sense. I can understand the

english meaning. for example we say with khadgamal

practice we cut the ego from the body, etc.. like we

read somewhere that you have to dissolve ones ego to

merge itself to the supreme. like we say that lalita

is the primordial energy, etc..with this defintion one

gets the scientific as well as spiritual

understanding. we know where we are heading. in the

same way I wish to know what is ego, if we have to

dissolve it what we have to dissolve in energy/shakti

terms.I hope learned members will understand what I

wish to know an will provide me their view.

thanks.

jatin.

jatin

--- virendra qazi <virendraqazi wrote:

> Respected Menon Ji,

>

> Pranam! Trika Yoga grants the instant release from

> the cycle of Karma.

>

> "Tirvatam Shaktipath" is descend of extreme Grace on

> chosen ones.

>

> Regards,

>

> Virendra.

>

> sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

> and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release from

> the cycle of Karma. I am not sure but I do not think

> any other sadhana grants that even before you start.

>

> Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:*** I ask

> my friends, brothers and sisters of this group, is

> there a

> way to understand ones Karma and position in this

> world??? ***

>

> The only way is through serious, sustained sadhana.

> Intellectual

> analysis and emotional hand-wringing are diverting

> pastimes, but

> will lead nowhere of consequence. Sadhana eventually

> will; and will

> prepare one to receive one's guru, who will

> "understand one's Karma

> and position in this world" and guide accordingly.

>

> *** I ask because I think many people who do not

> possess a Karmic

> understanding fall pray to the worlds traps and the

> whims of the

> Three Gunas. its a serious question! ***

>

> It's a serious answer.

>

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July 2, 2004

hi sankara and all,

I was reading in an article where it states

that when the prabadha karma is exhausted the soul

separates from the body(and the man dies I assume) and

moves on.So one is released from karma what path it

takes, what action he does. Basicallly I wish to know

what haapens to the soul and the person when he is

released from karmic bondage. how are his actions

judged, etc, what happens to his purpose of life I

assume you or my guess is,you would have been

deekshit. so what is the experience of breaking the

bond of karma.i mean we study that human life is based

on karma. so what happens if it is removed.

jatin

--- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

> Because only the very fortunate few get teh deeksha

> and with the deeksha we cut off all our previous

> karmas. The texts say not only yours but that of 21

> generations up and down as against 7 generations up

> and down when you take sanyasa deeksha. Thats what i

> have understood. maybe wrong.

>

> Jatin Prakash <jatinprakash wrote:

> dear sankara,

> I wonder why you said that srividya

> gives

> you release from karma before you start. After you

> start and do all the practises/rituals it is

> understandable, but how can anything happen before

> you

> start. could you elaborate.

> there is one more question i want to ask the learned

> members. I want to know the nature of "ego"and what

> is

> meant by ego in spiritual sense. I can understand

> the

> english meaning. for example we say with khadgamal

> practice we cut the ego from the body, etc.. like we

> read somewhere that you have to dissolve ones ego to

> merge itself to the supreme. like we say that lalita

> is the primordial energy, etc..with this defintion

> one

> gets the scientific as well as spiritual

> understanding. we know where we are heading. in the

> same way I wish to know what is ego, if we have to

> dissolve it what we have to dissolve in

> energy/shakti

> terms.I hope learned members will understand what I

> wish to know an will provide me their view.

> thanks.

> jatin.

> jatin

>

> --- virendra qazi <virendraqazi wrote:

> > Respected Menon Ji,

> >

> > Pranam! Trika Yoga grants the instant release from

> > the cycle of Karma.

> >

> > "Tirvatam Shaktipath" is descend of extreme Grace

> on

> > chosen ones.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Virendra.

> >

> > sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

> > and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release

> from

> > the cycle of Karma. I am not sure but I do not

> think

> > any other sadhana grants that even before you

> start.

> >

> > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:*** I

> ask

> > my friends, brothers and sisters of this group, is

> > there a

> > way to understand ones Karma and position in this

> > world??? ***

> >

> > The only way is through serious, sustained

> sadhana.

> > Intellectual

> > analysis and emotional hand-wringing are diverting

> > pastimes, but

> > will lead nowhere of consequence. Sadhana

> eventually

> > will; and will

> > prepare one to receive one's guru, who will

> > "understand one's Karma

> > and position in this world" and guide accordingly.

> >

> > *** I ask because I think many people who do not

> > possess a Karmic

> > understanding fall pray to the worlds traps and

> the

> > whims of the

> > Three Gunas. its a serious question! ***

> >

> > It's a serious answer.

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July 2, 2004

and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release from the cycle of Karma.

[Mouse] I've been always concerned of teachers and teachings who claim

"only our path is/does/grants..."

July 2, 2004

, Mouse <uri@o...> wrote:

Sankara Menon:and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release from

the cycle of Karma.

Mouse: I've been always concerned of teachers and teachings who

claim "only our path is/does/grants..."

Virendra: Trika Yoga grants the instant release from the cycle of

Karma."Tirvatam Shaktipath" is descend of extreme Grace on chosen

ones.

Mongo:"Cup O Soup" also grants instant release from karma.

Sankara Menon:The texts say not only

yours but that of 21 generations up and down as against 7

generations up and down when you take sanyasa deeksha.

SA: IMHO, when texts(Lord Shiva speaks in these texts) say Srividya

alone can grant, it should be understood as an exaggeration.

Because Lord Shiva elsewhere said the same about other systems.

Practically speaking, what people mean when they say only Srividya

can grant is that Srividya grants them *quickly compared* to others

like, say Trika or other systems.

While it may take a couple of births to ascend to a certain

spiritual state in other systems, Srividya can take its

practitioners to that same state may be in just one life time.

In that sense, one can say that Srividya alone can grant.

To Mongo: Instant release(ref:Shaktipatha) is not given to every

Jack and Jill on the road. It is definitely possible and is given

only to a chosen few who are ripe enough for it.

21 generations - 7 generations: This is probably said only to

impress upon the reader the greatness of Srividya. I dont think it

needs to be taken too literally.

Pancharatra texts *might* have similar claims. Will check.

Ex: A certain text says, if one does a certain mantra sadhana

without guru he will become diseased and die in less than 100 days.

This neither means one will really die nor does it mean that the

author forced someone without a guru to do the sadhana and counted

the days till his death.

Note: Concept in above example doesnt apply to eveything.

Ex: Prayogas. Prayogas(Experiment/Application) are precise

instructions. If it says enemy will die within a week after doing a

certain ritual, it will really happen.

What is an exaggeration and what is not will be understood from

close observation and comparison of a number of texts.

namaste

July 2, 2004

Karma. Everything is karma. I heard someone say that dharma erases karma. That

is not the meaning of dharma in Sanatana Dharma. In that case dharma is

following the correct varnashrama and 4 phases of life. Ie., kama, artha,

dharma, moksha.

Dharma is different in different systems. In Sanatana dharma one finally follows

The Dharma of moksha is the fourth phase of life, unless one is a renunciate. In

Buddhism, Buddhism is called The Dharma because it is only about moksha, and

nothing else.

The Dharma of moksha liberates obviously from karma, not the dharma of kama,

artha, and dharma.

It's an interesting experience seeing the wheel of samsara when one is trying to

become liberated. How many people always feel strapped onto a Medieval torture

rack and stretched when trying to decide between two things? The intellect trys

to fathom the correct course of action only to undo itself over and over.

This is why only the divine can release one from the dualities of karma and the

wheel of samsara. Only transcendence can free one from karma and its effects.

If one gets diksha from one truely established in transcendence then be sure

release from samsara will follow with practice.

What I objected to in my cup o soup comment is that people can release from

karma while still following evil personality traits. It might be theorized that

murderers and theives never get diksha but certainly this isn't true. There are

countless stories. Buddha is called The Conquerer because he tamed a wild

Elephant and an evil highway robber. So also, other gurus. But the point is

that karma is still created, even after transcendence, all the way to

nirvikalpa. So one shouldn't make the mistake that errant Hare Krishnas made in

California running drugs and guns for ISKCON. One's karma will catch up to one

eventually. Diksha or not. But whether one will obtain moksha before that

uncertain date is also up to one.

I descry methods which say that one can go on being a jerk to everyone and still

be liberated. It may be true for some few individuals, but I personally

wouldn't bank my evolution and moksha upon this notion.

-

Satish Arigela

Friday, July 02, 2004 11:28 AM

Re: Law of Karma

, Mouse <uri@o...> wrote:

Sankara Menon:and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release from

the cycle of Karma.

Mouse: I've been always concerned of teachers and teachings who

claim "only our path is/does/grants..."

Virendra: Trika Yoga grants the instant release from the cycle of

Karma."Tirvatam Shaktipath" is descend of extreme Grace on chosen

ones.

Mongo:"Cup O Soup" also grants instant release from karma.

Sankara Menon:The texts say not only

yours but that of 21 generations up and down as against 7

generations up and down when you take sanyasa deeksha.

SA: IMHO, when texts(Lord Shiva speaks in these texts) say Srividya

alone can grant, it should be understood as an exaggeration.

Because Lord Shiva elsewhere said the same about other systems.

Practically speaking, what people mean when they say only Srividya

can grant is that Srividya grants them *quickly compared* to others

like, say Trika or other systems.

While it may take a couple of births to ascend to a certain

spiritual state in other systems, Srividya can take its

practitioners to that same state may be in just one life time.

In that sense, one can say that Srividya alone can grant.

To Mongo: Instant release(ref:Shaktipatha) is not given to every

Jack and Jill on the road. It is definitely possible and is given

only to a chosen few who are ripe enough for it.

21 generations - 7 generations: This is probably said only to

impress upon the reader the greatness of Srividya. I dont think it

needs to be taken too literally.

Pancharatra texts *might* have similar claims. Will check.

Ex: A certain text says, if one does a certain mantra sadhana

without guru he will become diseased and die in less than 100 days.

This neither means one will really die nor does it mean that the

author forced someone without a guru to do the sadhana and counted

the days till his death.

Note: Concept in above example doesnt apply to eveything.

Ex: Prayogas. Prayogas(Experiment/Application) are precise

instructions. If it says enemy will die within a week after doing a

certain ritual, it will really happen.

What is an exaggeration and what is not will be understood from

close observation and comparison of a number of texts.

namaste

/

b..

c..

July 2, 2004

Its not that easy, even "good" karma is a bondage and results in re-birth. so in

order to cease karma one must become actionless.

Srivdya is ONE OF the paths that cut off the karmas good or bad.

Jatin Prakash <jatinprakash wrote: hi sankara and all,

I was reading in an article where it states that when the prabadha karma is

exhausted the soul separates from the body(and the man dies I assume) and moves

on.So one is released from karma what path it takes, what action he does.

Basicallly I wish to know what haapens to the soul and the person when he is

released from karmic bondage. how are his actions

judged, etc, what happens to his purpose of life I

assume you or my guess is,you would have been

deekshit. so what is the experience of breaking the

bond of karma.i mean we study that human life is based

on karma. so what happens if it is removed.

jatin

--- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

> Because only the very fortunate few get teh deeksha

> and with the deeksha we cut off all our previous

> karmas. The texts say not only yours but that of 21

> generations up and down as against 7 generations up

> and down when you take sanyasa deeksha. Thats what i

> have understood. maybe wrong.

>

> Jatin Prakash <jatinprakash wrote:

> dear sankara,

> I wonder why you said that srividya

> gives

> you release from karma before you start. After you

> start and do all the practises/rituals it is

> understandable, but how can anything happen before

> you

> start. could you elaborate.

> there is one more question i want to ask the learned

> members. I want to know the nature of "ego"and what

> is

> meant by ego in spiritual sense. I can understand

> the

> english meaning. for example we say with khadgamal

> practice we cut the ego from the body, etc.. like we

> read somewhere that you have to dissolve ones ego to

> merge itself to the supreme. like we say that lalita

> is the primordial energy, etc..with this defintion

> one

> gets the scientific as well as spiritual

> understanding. we know where we are heading. in the

> same way I wish to know what is ego, if we have to

> dissolve it what we have to dissolve in

> energy/shakti

> terms.I hope learned members will understand what I

> wish to know an will provide me their view.

> thanks.

> jatin.

> jatin

>

> --- virendra qazi <virendraqazi wrote:

> > Respected Menon Ji,

> >

> > Pranam! Trika Yoga grants the instant release from

> > the cycle of Karma.

> >

> > "Tirvatam Shaktipath" is descend of extreme Grace

> on

> > chosen ones.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Virendra.

> >

> > sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

> > and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release

> from

> > the cycle of Karma. I am not sure but I do not

> think

> > any other sadhana grants that even before you

> start.

> >

> > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:*** I

> ask

> > my friends, brothers and sisters of this group, is

> > there a

> > way to understand ones Karma and position in this

> > world??? ***

> >

> > The only way is through serious, sustained

> sadhana.

> > Intellectual

> > analysis and emotional hand-wringing are diverting

> > pastimes, but

> > will lead nowhere of consequence. Sadhana

> eventually

> > will; and will

> > prepare one to receive one's guru, who will

> > "understand one's Karma

> > and position in this world" and guide accordingly.

> >

> > *** I ask because I think many people who do not

> > possess a Karmic

> > understanding fall pray to the worlds traps and

> the

> > whims of the

> > Three Gunas. its a serious question! ***

> >

> > It's a serious answer.

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I said "as far as I know". Virendra spoke of Trika. there maybe other paths as

well. I did not exclude any but spoke of what I know of.(not that I know much)

Mouse <uri wrote: and Sri Vidya alone grants the instant release

from the cycle of Karma.

[Mouse] I've been always concerned of teachers and teachings who claim

"only our path is/does/grants..."

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"But the point is that karma is still created, even after transcendence, all the

way to nirvikalpa. "

I can only speak of srividya. even that rather sketchily because i am no

authority. But what i have understood is that after deeksha you become a

setchaachaari without attracting the karma that you create and it does not

attach to you in any way.

Detective_Mongo_Phd <detective_mongo_phd wrote: Karma. Everything

is karma. I heard someone say that dharma erases karma. That is not the meaning

of dharma in Sanatana Dharma. In that case dharma is following the correct

varnashrama and 4 phases of life. Ie., kama, artha, dharma, moksha.