That's a good link.

[Guest guest]

If your religion is true you should not feel threatened. Any "true

one of God" would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!

[Guest guest]

Hello:

 

What is good about Jesus are the teachings of universal love

and compassion. What is bad is when people, in the name of

Jesus as "Christianity," go into other cultures with no regard for

the cultures and the people, and indoctrinate them with such

"Christianity" that does not come from universal love and

compassion. Unfortunately, this does occur....

 

I think when someone attempts to bulldoze you, whether you are

strong in your faith or not, whether it is a true faith or not, it can

cause emotions to arise. I think, more effective than judging as

to say "you should not feel" the feelings, it's better to stay with the

breath and feel through the feelings to what is true, what needs

to be said or done, etc. That's my two cents worth, anyway, and

comes from my recent reading of Thich Nhat Hanh in his book

Creating True Peace - Ending Violence in Yourself, Your Family,

Your Community, and the World.

 

Namaste,

Mary Ann

 

 

, "Jack Styger"

<selenasking@i...> wrote:

> If your religion is true you should not feel threatened. Any "true

> one of God" would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!

[Guest guest]

If your religion is true you should not feel threatened. Any "true

one of God" would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!

 

[Mouse] If one's religion is true, neither does he feel driven to

proselytizing, seeking support for his beliefs in getting others to

to them.

And indeed, God be praised.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I understand that Jesus had a big HEART, lot of anahata

energy, but at the same time christianity as such is religion

very much different from hinduism. They do not believe in re-

incarnation. I have had one colleague who once asked me

"Now do you believe Jesus is the only way to salvation".

The truth is that christians are rigid, if they have become any less

than rigid it is their exposure to other religions like hinduism or

other eastern thoughts.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/13/2004 4:15:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

brolling writes:

> Hey

> There is no need for Jesus or his father.

> What should we need them for??

> The Trinity.

> Stolen from Shiva and Vishnnu.

> Yahweh, Jehova or what ever you call him, is a fraud, and so is his

> son. Jehova is a Demon. In Hindu Mythology he has the name

> Taraka, and is killed by Shiva in the end of times.

> His son has never lived, he is a Myth based upon Krishna.

> Per Brolling

>

 

There was a rich tradition of religion/myth in the west way before

Christianity. I am a Bhakta of Kali and follower of many Hindu beliefs, but to

try and

attribute all spiritual phenomenon to Hinduism is sweeping and dangerous.

 

Personally, I don't like Christianity all that much. I wish the religions of

my European ancestors were never destroyed, nonetheless it is what we have to

contend with. The idea of Yahweh being a daemon is pretty funny.

 

A friend and I were discussing this earlier. I asked him what kind of deity

would say "thou shalt have no other gods before me" ??? His answer, "an

egomaniac!"

 

There is actually a western mystic tradition concerning the idea of the

creator i.e. Yahweh of being essentially evil, they fall under the broad heading

of

Gnosticism.

 

The number 3 is associated with concepts of Divinity all over the world. I

think it comes from nature and not any tradition that man makes!

 

Yes, the Chrisitians borrowed a lot of ideas from other people, but I don't

think Chrisitianity was directly taken from Hinduism. That idea is silly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

indeed. who is anyone to say one is superior to other? Hindus never said theirs

is superior. And when one religion resorts to tricks, deciet and force to

convert it ceases to be a true religion.

 

 

Mouse <uri wrote: If your religion is true you should not feel

threatened. Any "true

one of God" would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!

 

[Mouse] If one's religion is true, neither does he feel driven to

proselytizing, seeking support for his beliefs in getting others to

to them.

And indeed, God be praised.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

yes he said "preach love" which is what he preached. instead what did they

preach? burn the person who resists (see South amerian hisory); preach so that

you can conquer nations hiding behind religion. (the colonizations).

 

Remember what BISHOP Desmond Tuu said "when we had the land and they ha the

book; They taught us to pray; when we prayed and opened our eyes they had the

land and we had the book". This is whats going on in the name of peaching.

Preaching is no lying; it is no cheating.

 

Do you know what some preachers do in North-East india. They have their pitiable

"churches" they raise the flag of some European country and they tell the

ignorant that the land on which the church stands is part of that country. If

you convert we will give you citizenship. and when they convert they are given

"passports" and the poor people believe till they suddenly realise they have

been had. Did Christ do this or advocate this? certainly not!!

 

All thats being done in the name of peaching is against the teaching of Christ.

so what is being preached is not Christianity. What it is i leave the readers to

say.

 

 

 

Jack Styger <selenasking wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:31:53 -0400,

Jack Styger <selenasking wrote:

>

> Jesus told them, which includes us, to go into all the world and

> preach the gospel. Where do you get your ideas from?

>

>

>

> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:23:24 -0400, Jack Styger <selenasking wrote:

> >

> > Jesus told them, which includes us, to go into all the world and

> > preach the gospel. So, where do you get your ideas from?

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Mouse <uri

> > Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:10:26 -0400

> > RE: That's a good link.

> >

> >

> > If your religion is true you should not feel threatened. Any "true

> > one of God" would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!

> >

> > [Mouse] If one's religion is true, neither does he feel driven to

> > proselytizing, seeking support for his beliefs in getting others to

> > to them.

> > And indeed, God be praised.

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[Guest guest]

Hey

There is no need for Jesus or his father.

What should we need them for??

The Trinity.

Stolen from Shiva and Vishnnu.

Yahweh, Jehova or what ever you call him, is a fraud, and so is his

son. Jehova is a Demon. In Hindu Mythology he has the name

Taraka, and is killed by Shiva in the end of times.

His son has never lived, he is a Myth based upon Krishna.

Per Brolling

 

, "Jack Styger"

<selenasking@i...> wrote:

> If your religion is true you should not feel threatened. Any "true

> one of God" would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!

[Guest guest]

I will not go to that extent.

 

By the way which is the religion thats declining fastest? which has its places

of worship turned to commerial sites because there are no worshippers? I dunno?

which has least attendance in the place where it was the strongest? So they have

to expand to the third world countries to try to exist. For this they will

resort to any trick.

If it were following its founders percepts this would not have happened. Thats

my humble feeling.

 

 

Per Brolling <brolling wrote:

Hey

There is no need for Jesus or his father.

What should we need them for??

The Trinity.

Stolen from Shiva and Vishnnu.

Yahweh, Jehova or what ever you call him, is a fraud, and so is his

son. Jehova is a Demon. In Hindu Mythology he has the name

Taraka, and is killed by Shiva in the end of times.

His son has never lived, he is a Myth based upon Krishna.

Per Brolling

 

, "Jack Styger"

<selenasking@i...> wrote:

> If your religion is true you should not feel threatened. Any "true

> one of God" would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!

 

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

My, my, my, the Bible says you cannnot be saved if you call the Good

God a demon. You are condemned by your own words. Any good female

"gods" would be on my side too, or they are not good, that's for sure.

Praise God! I will not continue to post here because some of you are

so far removed from goodness and truth. To the rest of you I say God

bless, and I hope you find the truth you are seeking. It's not by ego,

but only by the true Spirit of God.

 

 

-

sankara menon <kochu1tz

Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:26:15 -0700 (PDT)

Re: Re: That's a good link.

 

 

I will not go to that extent.

 

By the way which is the religion thats declining fastest? which has

its places of worship turned to commerial sites because there are no

worshippers? I dunno? which has least attendance in the place where it

was the strongest? So they have to expand to the third world countries

to try to exist. For this they will resort to any trick.

If it were following its founders percepts this would not have

happened. Thats my humble feeling.

 

 

Per Brolling <brolling wrote:

Hey

There is no need for Jesus or his father.

What should we need them for??

The Trinity.

Stolen from Shiva and Vishnnu.

Yahweh, Jehova or what ever you call him, is a fraud, and so is his

son. Jehova is a Demon. In Hindu Mythology he has the name

Taraka, and is killed by Shiva in the end of times.

His son has never lived, he is a Myth based upon Krishna.

Per Brolling

 

, "Jack Styger"

<selenasking@i...> wrote:

> If your religion is true you should not feel threatened. Any "true

> one of God" would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/13/2004 8:52:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

selenasking writes:

> My, my, my, the Bible says you cannnot be saved if you call the Good

> God a demon. You are condemned by your own words. Any good female

> "gods" would be on my side too, or they are not good, that's for sure.

> Praise God! I will not continue to post here because some of you are

> so far removed from goodness and truth. To the rest of you I say God

> bless, and I hope you find the truth you are seeking. It's not by ego,

> but only by the true Spirit of God.

>

 

the bible says a lot of things, so what's your point???

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jack

 

You write, "If your religion is true you should not feel threatened.

Any 'true one of God' would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!" But

you've been a member here a long time. Why do you stay?

 

Your statement seems to cite "feeling threatened" as a sign that a

person is not a "true one of God," whatever that means. But you know,

the new trick of the Christian Right in the U.S. -- which I've heard

with increasing frequency in the last year or so -- is the idea that

Christians are being persecuted by "the Mainstream" in the United

States. Jerry Falwell was just saying so the other night on CNN, in

response to the new movie "Saved!" And here is an anonymous man,

identifying himself only as Republican, setting out the main argument

in a debate about Mel Gibson's movie, "Passion of the Christ":

 

"We now are in an age where Christians are singled out in schools, at

work, in the media. Anything Christian the left will attack. Why?

Because they don't like it, they hate it. What's interesting in this

politically correct nation is that you can say you're a Muslim, a

Jew, a Pagan, a Hindu, and people go nuts for information. But once

you make a statement that you're a Christian or hold to Christian

standards, you're attacked for being homophobic, anti-choice - you

name it, they'll go after you."

 

That sounds pretty "threatened" to me. But I think it's disingenuous

for the nation's by-far majority sect to call itself persecuted. I

think it's just very clever rhetoric, intended to fan the "righteous

ire" of fundamentalist Christians as we approach a most vital U.S.

election, in which there is a growing cry to oust the current,

fundamentalist Christian administration.

 

By contrast, Hindus are quite content in their own faith and do not

go door-to-door in hopes of winning converts. The feeling is that

every religion offers its adherents something of value in accordance

with their individual samskaras, and that those who need Hinduism in

any of its forms will eventually come to it. But check out the

Christian standpoint toward Hindus:

 

http://www.doorofhope.org.za/projects/hindi.htm

 

So the reactions you see here are not so much of the quality, "You

are threatening my fragile belief system!" It is more of the

quality, "Get out of my face already!"

 

I personally do not agree with PerBrolling's assessment that "There

is no need for Jesus or his father." Countless millions of people

have found and continue to find comfort and hope in the Christian

faith, and there's nothing wrong with that. My only problem is with

the proselytizing and pushy fundamentalist sects that feel the need

to make others agree or be damned.

 

Jesus was one of history's greatest religious teachers, there is no

doubt. But the sublime spiritual lessons preached by Jesus arenot

much heeded today, having long ago been eclipsed by the outward-

focused religion of Paul (i.e. Christianity as it is known today -- a

religion "about" Jesus rather than that taught by him).

 

Okay, that's basically my point. Be well.

 

DB

[Guest guest]

Dear Jack:

 

If you have unconditional love to offer in accordance with the

teachings of Jesus, please share with the group. Such love is

the basis of deep spirituality and would be very welcome. But

many people who identify as "Christian" feel the need to say

other people have to do it their way, or they are not good.

Unfortunately, it appears you have fallen into the same trap, and

are now saying you won't post here. Maybe you do not know that

is how you are coming across? Can you put forth the

compassion of Christ in your offerings and touch the hearts of

others to bring us together rather than cause fighting and

isolation?

 

Mary Ann

 

, Jack Styger

<selenasking@g...> wrote:

> My, my, my, the Bible says you cannnot be saved if you call the

Good

> God a demon. You are condemned by your own words. Any

good female

> "gods" would be on my side too, or they are not good, that's for

sure.

> Praise God! I will not continue to post here because some of

you are

> so far removed from goodness and truth. To the rest of you I

say God

> bless, and I hope you find the truth you are seeking. It's not by

ego,

> but only by the true Spirit of God.

>

>

> -

> sankara menon <kochu1tz>

> Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:26:15 -0700 (PDT)

> Re: Re: That's a good link.

>

>

>

> I will not go to that extent.

>

> By the way which is the religion thats declining fastest? which

has

> its places of worship turned to commerial sites because there

are no

> worshippers? I dunno? which has least attendance in the

place where it

> was the strongest? So they have to expand to the third world

countries

> to try to exist. For this they will resort to any trick.

> If it were following its founders percepts this would not have

> happened. Thats my humble feeling.

>

>

> Per Brolling <brolling@s...> wrote:

> Hey

> There is no need for Jesus or his father.

> What should we need them for??

> The Trinity.

> Stolen from Shiva and Vishnnu.

> Yahweh, Jehova or what ever you call him, is a fraud, and so is

his

> son. Jehova is a Demon. In Hindu Mythology he has the name

> Taraka, and is killed by Shiva in the end of times.

> His son has never lived, he is a Myth based upon Krishna.

> Per Brolling

>

> , "Jack Styger"

> <selenasking@i...> wrote:

> > If your religion is true you should not feel threatened. Any

"true

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Thats right..only today I had preachers at my door...my

brother "discussed" their teachings with them for 1 hour..the

interesting point to mention is they said despite the fact you may

be a good person, you will still be damned to burn in hell because

you do not follow christ...christ is the only way to

salvation...!!!! Straight up, they said this to his face and started

reading verses from the Bible.

Now this to me is on the verge of intolerance and fundamentalism,

dont you think???

 

, "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...>

wrote:

> Dear Jack:

>

> . But

> many people who identify as "Christian" feel the need to say

> other people have to do it their way, or they are not good.

>

[Guest guest]

You are right - only I think it's not on the verge of intolerance. It IS

intolerance. I want to work on my own ability to allow that and not

jump at the bait, though. It's easy for me to do battle rather than

face it with compassion (including within my own family).

 

Recently I had 2 women at my door, and I spent time with them,

too. However, I liked a lot of what we shared. They supported

compassion toward others who have difficulty loving. I

appreciated that. I chose not to enter the territory of their ideas

about hell and damnation, though!

 

I like what Nora, a moderator of this group, has said before. She

works as a nurse, and she loves unconditionally and gives her

time to needy children. That isn't about being "Christian," but they

think they have cornered the market on compassion. Maybe it

would help to show that compassion is universal, not exclusive

to one religion - whereas intolerance does seem to be exclusive

- to Christianity!

 

I was thinking that it must feel threatening to these salespeople

that there are other true practices. I see that people seem to

need to be in opposition. I think it feels safer to keep fighting the

good fight, rather than become just a drop in the ocean. They

would lose their sense of identity.

 

 

 

 

, "anupasyati"

<anupasyati> wrote:

>

> Thats right..only today I had preachers at my door...my

> brother "discussed" their teachings with them for 1 hour..the

> interesting point to mention is they said despite the fact you

may

> be a good person, you will still be damned to burn in hell

because

> you do not follow christ...christ is the only way to

> salvation...!!!! Straight up, they said this to his face and started

> reading verses from the Bible.

> Now this to me is on the verge of intolerance and

fundamentalism,

> dont you think???

>

> , "Mary Ann"

<maryann@m...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Jack:

> >

> > . But

> > many people who identify as "Christian" feel the need to say

> > other people have to do it their way, or they are not good.

> >

[Guest guest]

Soirry, but like it or not, Christ IS the only way to

God! Get over it! Interlorant? YES! To Evil!

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[Guest guest]

Hey

It isn't the good God I cal a Demon.

It's Yahweh, Jehova or what ever you call him I call a Demon.

Are You sure, are you really sure that any good female Gods are on

your side, are you really sure??

The true Creator is not Yahweh. It is the Sun herself. And she is one

my side. Go ask her.

Per Brolling

 

, Jack Styger <selenasking@g...>

wrote:

> My, my, my, the Bible says you cannnot be saved if you call the Good

> God a demon. You are condemned by your own words. Any good female

> "gods" would be on my side too, or they are not good, that's for

sure.

> Praise God! I will not continue to post here because some of you are

> so far removed from goodness and truth. To the rest of you I say God

> bless, and I hope you find the truth you are seeking. It's not by

ego,

> but only by the true Spirit of God.

>

>

> -

> sankara menon <kochu1tz>

> Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:26:15 -0700 (PDT)

> Re: Re: That's a good link.

>

>

>

> I will not go to that extent.

>

> By the way which is the religion thats declining fastest? which has

> its places of worship turned to commerial sites because there are no

> worshippers? I dunno? which has least attendance in the place where

it

> was the strongest? So they have to expand to the third world

countries

> to try to exist. For this they will resort to any trick.

> If it were following its founders percepts this would not have

> happened. Thats my humble feeling.

>

>

> Per Brolling <brolling@s...> wrote:

> Hey

> There is no need for Jesus or his father.

> What should we need them for??

> The Trinity.

> Stolen from Shiva and Vishnnu.

> Yahweh, Jehova or what ever you call him, is a fraud, and so is his

> son. Jehova is a Demon. In Hindu Mythology he has the name

> Taraka, and is killed by Shiva in the end of times.

> His son has never lived, he is a Myth based upon Krishna.

> Per Brolling

>

> , "Jack Styger"

> <selenasking@i...> wrote:

> > If your religion is true you should not feel threatened. Any

"true

> > one of God" would love and welcome Jesus. Praise God!

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