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I'd like to share this with the group and welcome any feedback

that comes to your mind.

 

I think I understand now why Ammachi's swami, when I asked

for the mantra to go with the Ardhanarishwari, was upset with

me. I don't think I shared this with the group, but after I received

my mantra from Ammachi - which required going up twice

because at first, I was given what to me was the wrong one), I

was told by the swami who instructed me that the mantra didn't

mean anything, that it meant "The God who is half woman," and

wasn't a positive mantra for Devi.

 

Yesterday, I re-read the Ardhanarishwari page on the Shakti

Sadhana homepage (Devi section) which said that the deity was

originally female, and that Shiva was superimposed onto her,

and was made bigger and superior, with the female half

becoming only his wife and consort, rather than an equal. First,

Amma's people gave me a mantra that used the syllable

"Hreem," which I know represents Shakti, but to me, I felt that

both Shakti and Shiva should be named in the mantra with their

names. I have not understood saying "Om Namah Shivaya"

(which Amma's people do) as including Shakti, nor did I

understand "Om Hreem Namah Shivaya" as holding Shakti and

Shiva in perfect balance.

 

I still feel it is valuable to name both Shakti and Shiva, God/dess,

Fe/Male. Otherwise it is similar to Christianity in considering the

"Holy Spirit" as the supposed female/feminine influence,

relegating Female/Feminity to a whisper after imposing the

Father and the Son, who are called not spirits, but Father and

Son.

 

-- Mary Ann

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Thank you Mary Ann for sharing this with us. Now the first thing that

comes to my mind after reading it is that: "now this is what I will

do if I am in Mary Ann's situation". Instead of going around asking

people for the mantra, I would just ask DEVI herself. Talk to

Ardhanareshwari Devi. Lament to her, if you have to about the

difficulties of getting her true mantra (true in a sense according

to your personal belief) you will be amazed what will come back to

you. As far as I am concern I have no better suggestion but to

redirect it back to DEVI.

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Thank you very much, Nora, for your wise input on this.

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> Thank you Mary Ann for sharing this with us. Now the first thing

that

> comes to my mind after reading it is that: "now this is what I will

> do if I am in Mary Ann's situation". Instead of going around

asking

> people for the mantra, I would just ask DEVI herself. Talk to

> Ardhanareshwari Devi. Lament to her, if you have to about the

> difficulties of getting her true mantra (true in a sense according

> to your personal belief) you will be amazed what will come

back to

> you. As far as I am concern I have no better suggestion but to

> redirect it back to DEVI.

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Sri Mahasudarshanaya namaha

 

Dear Madhva devotees,

 

We are set of purohiths from south india, we are performing brihath

Maha sudarshana homa .Anybody like to contribute can send funds in

the name of Sri Mahasudarshana homa samithi,interested can reply me

with Name , nakshatra, gothra, and detailed address.

 

Other services we are providing is below..

Sri Mahasudarshana Homa

Sri Harivayusthuthi punashcharane

Navagraha homa

mrithyunjaya homa

Pavamana homa

Brihathi sahasra maha yaaga

Harivayusthuthi parayana

Vishnusahasra nama parayana

Sri Mahasudarshana Japa

 

Lord srhi Hari bless all

 

 

 

Mary Ann <maryann wrote:Thank you very much, Nora, for

your wise input on this.

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> Thank you Mary Ann for sharing this with us. Now the first thing

that

> comes to my mind after reading it is that: "now this is what I will

> do if I am in Mary Ann's situation". Instead of going around

asking

> people for the mantra, I would just ask DEVI herself. Talk to

> Ardhanareshwari Devi. Lament to her, if you have to about the

> difficulties of getting her true mantra (true in a sense according

> to your personal belief) you will be amazed what will come

back to

> you. As far as I am concern I have no better suggestion but to

> redirect it back to DEVI.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Mary Ann,

 

Of course you already know that Shiva-Shakti are one, so when you

name Shiva, you are also naming Shakti.

 

On a more esoteric side, the mantra hrIM is made up of:

 

ha = ether = Shiva

ra = fire = Shakti

I = preservation = Vishnu

M = anusvara = dissolution and Oneness

 

ha + ra (ether+fire or Shiva + Shakti) = creation

ha + ra = hara, another name for Shiva

ha + ra + I = hari, another name for Vishnu

I = a vowel, which is a Shakti mantra, so "I" more poperly stands

for the shakti of preservation a.k.a. Lakshmi

IM = Kamakala = Kameshvari+Kamamesvara

 

Basically, the mantra hrIM is the seed for ALL, Shiva-Shakti,

creation, preservation, destruction. Further, this potent mantra is

ascribed to Devi as Maya, but truly it holds all in balance.

 

Further, see the Sri Vidya panchadashakshari mantra. Even though it

is said to be a mantra for Lalita Mahatripurasundari, it is really

for both Her and her spouse Kameshvara (Shiva). Some syllables stand

for Shiva and some syllables stand for Shakti. When you repeat this

mantra, there is no need to say any Shiva mantras, for it encodes

both of them as ONE.

 

Hope this helps...

 

AUM

 

 

, "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...>

wrote:

> I'd like to share this with the group and welcome any feedback

> that comes to your mind.

>

> I think I understand now why Ammachi's swami, when I asked

> for the mantra to go with the Ardhanarishwari, was upset with

> me. I don't think I shared this with the group, but after I

received

> my mantra from Ammachi - which required going up twice

> because at first, I was given what to me was the wrong one), I

> was told by the swami who instructed me that the mantra didn't

> mean anything, that it meant "The God who is half woman," and

> wasn't a positive mantra for Devi.

>

> Yesterday, I re-read the Ardhanarishwari page on the Shakti

> Sadhana homepage (Devi section) which said that the deity was

> originally female, and that Shiva was superimposed onto her,

> and was made bigger and superior, with the female half

> becoming only his wife and consort, rather than an equal. First,

> Amma's people gave me a mantra that used the syllable

> "Hreem," which I know represents Shakti, but to me, I felt that

> both Shakti and Shiva should be named in the mantra with their

> names. I have not understood saying "Om Namah Shivaya"

> (which Amma's people do) as including Shakti, nor did I

> understand "Om Hreem Namah Shivaya" as holding Shakti and

> Shiva in perfect balance.

>

> I still feel it is valuable to name both Shakti and Shiva,

God/dess,

> Fe/Male. Otherwise it is similar to Christianity in considering

the

> "Holy Spirit" as the supposed female/feminine influence,

> relegating Female/Feminity to a whisper after imposing the

> Father and the Son, who are called not spirits, but Father and

> Son.

>

> -- Mary Ann

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Hello, and thank you for your input. I want to spend more time

considering it, but it caused me to want to write this immediately.

Can you tell me, if I say Shakti, is Shiva included? And can you,

or anyone else out there, tell me, regarding this: "Shiva

Shaktyaikya" -- if I want to say Shakti first, how would it go? I am

assuming it would not work to say "Shakti Shivyaikya" ....

 

Looking forward to responses,

Mary Ann

 

, "freyachilde"

<freyachilde> wrote:

> Namaste Mary Ann,

>

> Of course you already know that Shiva-Shakti are one, so when

you

> name Shiva, you are also naming Shakti.

>

> On a more esoteric side, the mantra hrIM is made up of:

>

> ha = ether = Shiva

> ra = fire = Shakti

> I = preservation = Vishnu

> M = anusvara = dissolution and Oneness

>

> ha + ra (ether+fire or Shiva + Shakti) = creation

> ha + ra = hara, another name for Shiva

> ha + ra + I = hari, another name for Vishnu

> I = a vowel, which is a Shakti mantra, so "I" more poperly

stands

> for the shakti of preservation a.k.a. Lakshmi

> IM = Kamakala = Kameshvari+Kamamesvara

>

> Basically, the mantra hrIM is the seed for ALL, Shiva-Shakti,

> creation, preservation, destruction. Further, this potent mantra

is

> ascribed to Devi as Maya, but truly it holds all in balance.

>

> Further, see the Sri Vidya panchadashakshari mantra. Even

though it

> is said to be a mantra for Lalita Mahatripurasundari, it is really

> for both Her and her spouse Kameshvara (Shiva). Some

syllables stand

> for Shiva and some syllables stand for Shakti. When you

repeat this

> mantra, there is no need to say any Shiva mantras, for it

encodes

> both of them as ONE.

>

> Hope this helps...

>

> AUM

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

<maryann@m...>

> wrote:

> > I'd like to share this with the group and welcome any

feedback

> > that comes to your mind.

> >

> > I think I understand now why Ammachi's swami, when I

asked

> > for the mantra to go with the Ardhanarishwari, was upset with

> > me. I don't think I shared this with the group, but after I

> received

> > my mantra from Ammachi - which required going up twice

> > because at first, I was given what to me was the wrong one),

I

> > was told by the swami who instructed me that the mantra

didn't

> > mean anything, that it meant "The God who is half woman,"

and

> > wasn't a positive mantra for Devi.

> >

> > Yesterday, I re-read the Ardhanarishwari page on the Shakti

> > Sadhana homepage (Devi section) which said that the deity

was

> > originally female, and that Shiva was superimposed onto

her,

> > and was made bigger and superior, with the female half

> > becoming only his wife and consort, rather than an equal.

First,

> > Amma's people gave me a mantra that used the syllable

> > "Hreem," which I know represents Shakti, but to me, I felt that

> > both Shakti and Shiva should be named in the mantra with

their

> > names. I have not understood saying "Om Namah Shivaya"

> > (which Amma's people do) as including Shakti, nor did I

> > understand "Om Hreem Namah Shivaya" as holding Shakti

and

> > Shiva in perfect balance.

> >

> > I still feel it is valuable to name both Shakti and Shiva,

> God/dess,

> > Fe/Male. Otherwise it is similar to Christianity in considering

> the

> > "Holy Spirit" as the supposed female/feminine influence,

> > relegating Female/Feminity to a whisper after imposing the

> > Father and the Son, who are called not spirits, but Father and

> > Son.

> >

> > -- Mary Ann

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Namaste,

 

Because they are one, it goes both ways. So yes, when you say

Shakti, Shiva is included.

 

Sanskrit syntax is such that you can change the order of the

words without changing the meanings, much like Latin. So you

could say "Shaktyaikya Shiva."

 

AUM

 

, "Mary Ann"

<maryann@m...> wrote:

> Hello, and thank you for your input. I want to spend more time

> considering it, but it caused me to want to write this

immediately.

> Can you tell me, if I say Shakti, is Shiva included? And can you,

> or anyone else out there, tell me, regarding this: "Shiva

> Shaktyaikya" -- if I want to say Shakti first, how would it go? I am

> assuming it would not work to say "Shakti Shivyaikya" ....

>

> Looking forward to responses,

> Mary Ann

>

> , "freyachilde"

> <freyachilde> wrote:

> > Namaste Mary Ann,

> >

> > Of course you already know that Shiva-Shakti are one, so

when

> you

> > name Shiva, you are also naming Shakti.

> >

> > On a more esoteric side, the mantra hrIM is made up of:

> >

> > ha = ether = Shiva

> > ra = fire = Shakti

> > I = preservation = Vishnu

> > M = anusvara = dissolution and Oneness

> >

> > ha + ra (ether+fire or Shiva + Shakti) = creation

> > ha + ra = hara, another name for Shiva

> > ha + ra + I = hari, another name for Vishnu

> > I = a vowel, which is a Shakti mantra, so "I" more poperly

> stands

> > for the shakti of preservation a.k.a. Lakshmi

> > IM = Kamakala = Kameshvari+Kamamesvara

> >

> > Basically, the mantra hrIM is the seed for ALL, Shiva-Shakti,

> > creation, preservation, destruction. Further, this potent

mantra

> is

> > ascribed to Devi as Maya, but truly it holds all in balance.

> >

> > Further, see the Sri Vidya panchadashakshari mantra. Even

> though it

> > is said to be a mantra for Lalita Mahatripurasundari, it is

really

> > for both Her and her spouse Kameshvara (Shiva). Some

> syllables stand

> > for Shiva and some syllables stand for Shakti. When you

> repeat this

> > mantra, there is no need to say any Shiva mantras, for it

> encodes

> > both of them as ONE.

> >

> > Hope this helps...

> >

> > AUM

> >

> >

> > , "Mary Ann"

> <maryann@m...>

> > wrote:

> > > I'd like to share this with the group and welcome any

> feedback

> > > that comes to your mind.

> > >

> > > I think I understand now why Ammachi's swami, when I

> asked

> > > for the mantra to go with the Ardhanarishwari, was upset

with

> > > me. I don't think I shared this with the group, but after I

> > received

> > > my mantra from Ammachi - which required going up twice

> > > because at first, I was given what to me was the wrong

one),

> I

> > > was told by the swami who instructed me that the mantra

> didn't

> > > mean anything, that it meant "The God who is half woman,"

> and

> > > wasn't a positive mantra for Devi.

> > >

> > > Yesterday, I re-read the Ardhanarishwari page on the

Shakti

> > > Sadhana homepage (Devi section) which said that the

deity

> was

> > > originally female, and that Shiva was superimposed onto

> her,

> > > and was made bigger and superior, with the female half

> > > becoming only his wife and consort, rather than an equal.

> First,

> > > Amma's people gave me a mantra that used the syllable

> > > "Hreem," which I know represents Shakti, but to me, I felt

that

> > > both Shakti and Shiva should be named in the mantra with

> their

> > > names. I have not understood saying "Om Namah

Shivaya"

> > > (which Amma's people do) as including Shakti, nor did I

> > > understand "Om Hreem Namah Shivaya" as holding Shakti

> and

> > > Shiva in perfect balance.

> > >

> > > I still feel it is valuable to name both Shakti and Shiva,

> > God/dess,

> > > Fe/Male. Otherwise it is similar to Christianity in

considering

> > the

> > > "Holy Spirit" as the supposed female/feminine influence,

> > > relegating Female/Feminity to a whisper after imposing the

> > > Father and the Son, who are called not spirits, but Father

and

> > > Son.

> > >

> > > -- Mary Ann

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But why doesn't Shiva conjugate? That is, why is the word Shakti

still changing its ending, but Shiva stays Shiva? What does

"yaikya" do or mean on the name Shakti?

 

, "freyachilde"

<freyachilde> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Because they are one, it goes both ways. So yes, when you say

> Shakti, Shiva is included.

>

> Sanskrit syntax is such that you can change the order of the

> words without changing the meanings, much like Latin. So you

> could say "Shaktyaikya Shiva."

>

> AUM

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <maryann@m...> wrote:

> > Hello, and thank you for your input. I want to spend more time

> > considering it, but it caused me to want to write this

> immediately.

> > Can you tell me, if I say Shakti, is Shiva included? And can

you,

> > or anyone else out there, tell me, regarding this: "Shiva

> > Shaktyaikya" -- if I want to say Shakti first, how would it go? I

am

> > assuming it would not work to say "Shakti Shivyaikya" ....

> >

> > Looking forward to responses,

> > Mary Ann

> >

> > , "freyachilde"

> > <freyachilde> wrote:

> > > Namaste Mary Ann,

> > >

> > > Of course you already know that Shiva-Shakti are one, so

> when

> > you

> > > name Shiva, you are also naming Shakti.

> > >

> > > On a more esoteric side, the mantra hrIM is made up of:

> > >

> > > ha = ether = Shiva

> > > ra = fire = Shakti

> > > I = preservation = Vishnu

> > > M = anusvara = dissolution and Oneness

> > >

> > > ha + ra (ether+fire or Shiva + Shakti) = creation

> > > ha + ra = hara, another name for Shiva

> > > ha + ra + I = hari, another name for Vishnu

> > > I = a vowel, which is a Shakti mantra, so "I" more poperly

> > stands

> > > for the shakti of preservation a.k.a. Lakshmi

> > > IM = Kamakala = Kameshvari+Kamamesvara

> > >

> > > Basically, the mantra hrIM is the seed for ALL, Shiva-Shakti,

> > > creation, preservation, destruction. Further, this potent

> mantra

> > is

> > > ascribed to Devi as Maya, but truly it holds all in balance.

> > >

> > > Further, see the Sri Vidya panchadashakshari mantra.

Even

> > though it

> > > is said to be a mantra for Lalita Mahatripurasundari, it is

> really

> > > for both Her and her spouse Kameshvara (Shiva). Some

> > syllables stand

> > > for Shiva and some syllables stand for Shakti. When you

> > repeat this

> > > mantra, there is no need to say any Shiva mantras, for it

> > encodes

> > > both of them as ONE.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps...

> > >

> > > AUM

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Mary Ann"

> > <maryann@m...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > I'd like to share this with the group and welcome any

> > feedback

> > > > that comes to your mind.

> > > >

> > > > I think I understand now why Ammachi's swami, when I

> > asked

> > > > for the mantra to go with the Ardhanarishwari, was upset

> with

> > > > me. I don't think I shared this with the group, but after I

> > > received

> > > > my mantra from Ammachi - which required going up

twice

> > > > because at first, I was given what to me was the wrong

> one),

> > I

> > > > was told by the swami who instructed me that the mantra

> > didn't

> > > > mean anything, that it meant "The God who is half

woman,"

> > and

> > > > wasn't a positive mantra for Devi.

> > > >

> > > > Yesterday, I re-read the Ardhanarishwari page on the

> Shakti

> > > > Sadhana homepage (Devi section) which said that the

> deity

> > was

> > > > originally female, and that Shiva was superimposed onto

> > her,

> > > > and was made bigger and superior, with the female half

> > > > becoming only his wife and consort, rather than an equal.

> > First,

> > > > Amma's people gave me a mantra that used the syllable

> > > > "Hreem," which I know represents Shakti, but to me, I felt

> that

> > > > both Shakti and Shiva should be named in the mantra

with

> > their

> > > > names. I have not understood saying "Om Namah

> Shivaya"

> > > > (which Amma's people do) as including Shakti, nor did I

> > > > understand "Om Hreem Namah Shivaya" as holding

Shakti

> > and

> > > > Shiva in perfect balance.

> > > >

> > > > I still feel it is valuable to name both Shakti and Shiva,

> > > God/dess,

> > > > Fe/Male. Otherwise it is similar to Christianity in

> considering

> > > the

> > > > "Holy Spirit" as the supposed female/feminine influence,

> > > > relegating Female/Feminity to a whisper after imposing

the

> > > > Father and the Son, who are called not spirits, but Father

> and

> > > > Son.

> > > >

> > > > -- Mary Ann

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Dear Respected Members:

 

Do you really think that such electronic "puuja" can help oneself

purify?

 

One has to purify themselves to get any benefits from any activity.

 

Recently I attended a puuja conducted by "So Called priest", who also

works as a pujari at a Temple in USA. This wonderful puujaari

recited the "sankalpa" after the "Uttar puuja" was done. When

confronted he said that is the way we have been taught.

 

Sankalpa is the purpose why yajamaana is performing the puuja. Most

folks do not understand Sanskrit mantras, let alone their

significance. These puujaari's should never get a vote from me,

ever. This is degrading our own culture under name of religious,

activities. Only thing this can possibly give is the pride to you,

yourself that you have done "XYZ puuja"

 

What a disgrace?? This is my pure frustration because number of

these folks are exploiting the ignorance of Sanskrit language from

common folks.

 

But everybody has a right to fooled, who am I to tell anone!!

 

Regards,

 

Dr. Yadu

 

 

, pleasant tune

<pleasant_tune2002> wrote:

> Sri Mahasudarshanaya namaha

>

> Dear Madhva devotees,

>

> We are set of purohiths from south india, we are performing brihath

> Maha sudarshana homa .Anybody like to contribute can send funds in

> the name of Sri Mahasudarshana homa samithi,interested can reply me

> with Name , nakshatra, gothra, and detailed address.

>

> Other services we are providing is below..

> Sri Mahasudarshana Homa

> Sri Harivayusthuthi punashcharane

> Navagraha homa

> mrithyunjaya homa

> Pavamana homa

> Brihathi sahasra maha yaaga

> Harivayusthuthi parayana

> Vishnusahasra nama parayana

> Sri Mahasudarshana Japa

>

> Lord srhi Hari bless all

>

>

>

> Mary Ann <maryann@m...> wrote:Thank you very much, Nora, for your

wise input on this.

>

> , "N. Madasamy"

> <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> > Thank you Mary Ann for sharing this with us. Now the first thing

> that

> > comes to my mind after reading it is that: "now this is what I

will

> > do if I am in Mary Ann's situation". Instead of going around

> asking

> > people for the mantra, I would just ask DEVI herself. Talk to

> > Ardhanareshwari Devi. Lament to her, if you have to about the

> > difficulties of getting her true mantra (true in a sense

according

> > to your personal belief) you will be amazed what will come

> back to

> > you. As far as I am concern I have no better suggestion but to

> > redirect it back to DEVI.

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Namaste Marry Ann,

>From the Monier-Williams Sanskrit dictionary, "aikya" means: n.

(from "eka") oneness , unity , harmony , sameness , identity;

identity of the human soul or of the universe with the Deity.

 

You could just as well say shakti shivaikya as shaktyaikya shiva, or

shiva shaktyaikya: "Shakti and Shiva are one."

 

Since they are one, it doesn't matter where the ending goes, it's

saying the same thing. It's like saying "Rahu's head." There is

nothing but Rahu's head anyway after it was chopped off by Devi

Mohini in the ocean-churning story, so there is no point in

saying "Rahu's head."

 

One can just say "Rahu" and one understands "head" -- no need for the

whole phrase "Rahu's head." Similary, one can just say "Shakti"

or "Shiva" and it points to the same Oneness. However, it is

necessary to say "shaktyaikya shiva" for those who have not yet

understood this truth.

 

AUM

 

 

, "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...>

wrote:

> But why doesn't Shiva conjugate? That is, why is the word Shakti

> still changing its ending, but Shiva stays Shiva? What does

> "yaikya" do or mean on the name Shakti?

>

> , "freyachilde"

> <freyachilde> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Because they are one, it goes both ways. So yes, when you say

> > Shakti, Shiva is included.

> >

> > Sanskrit syntax is such that you can change the order of the

> > words without changing the meanings, much like Latin. So you

> > could say "Shaktyaikya Shiva."

> >

> > AUM

> >

> > , "Mary Ann"

> > <maryann@m...> wrote:

> > > Hello, and thank you for your input. I want to spend more time

> > > considering it, but it caused me to want to write this

> > immediately.

> > > Can you tell me, if I say Shakti, is Shiva included? And can

> you,

> > > or anyone else out there, tell me, regarding this: "Shiva

> > > Shaktyaikya" -- if I want to say Shakti first, how would it go?

I

> am

> > > assuming it would not work to say "Shakti Shivyaikya" ....

> > >

> > > Looking forward to responses,

> > > Mary Ann

> > >

> > > , "freyachilde"

> > > <freyachilde> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Mary Ann,

> > > >

> > > > Of course you already know that Shiva-Shakti are one, so

> > when

> > > you

> > > > name Shiva, you are also naming Shakti.

> > > >

> > > > On a more esoteric side, the mantra hrIM is made up of:

> > > >

> > > > ha = ether = Shiva

> > > > ra = fire = Shakti

> > > > I = preservation = Vishnu

> > > > M = anusvara = dissolution and Oneness

> > > >

> > > > ha + ra (ether+fire or Shiva + Shakti) = creation

> > > > ha + ra = hara, another name for Shiva

> > > > ha + ra + I = hari, another name for Vishnu

> > > > I = a vowel, which is a Shakti mantra, so "I" more poperly

> > > stands

> > > > for the shakti of preservation a.k.a. Lakshmi

> > > > IM = Kamakala = Kameshvari+Kamamesvara

> > > >

> > > > Basically, the mantra hrIM is the seed for ALL, Shiva-Shakti,

> > > > creation, preservation, destruction. Further, this potent

> > mantra

> > > is

> > > > ascribed to Devi as Maya, but truly it holds all in balance.

> > > >

> > > > Further, see the Sri Vidya panchadashakshari mantra.

> Even

> > > though it

> > > > is said to be a mantra for Lalita Mahatripurasundari, it is

> > really

> > > > for both Her and her spouse Kameshvara (Shiva). Some

> > > syllables stand

> > > > for Shiva and some syllables stand for Shakti. When you

> > > repeat this

> > > > mantra, there is no need to say any Shiva mantras, for it

> > > encodes

> > > > both of them as ONE.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps...

> > > >

> > > > AUM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Mary Ann"

> > > <maryann@m...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > I'd like to share this with the group and welcome any

> > > feedback

> > > > > that comes to your mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think I understand now why Ammachi's swami, when I

> > > asked

> > > > > for the mantra to go with the Ardhanarishwari, was upset

> > with

> > > > > me. I don't think I shared this with the group, but after

I

> > > > received

> > > > > my mantra from Ammachi - which required going up

> twice

> > > > > because at first, I was given what to me was the wrong

> > one),

> > > I

> > > > > was told by the swami who instructed me that the mantra

> > > didn't

> > > > > mean anything, that it meant "The God who is half

> woman,"

> > > and

> > > > > wasn't a positive mantra for Devi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yesterday, I re-read the Ardhanarishwari page on the

> > Shakti

> > > > > Sadhana homepage (Devi section) which said that the

> > deity

> > > was

> > > > > originally female, and that Shiva was superimposed onto

> > > her,

> > > > > and was made bigger and superior, with the female half

> > > > > becoming only his wife and consort, rather than an equal.

> > > First,

> > > > > Amma's people gave me a mantra that used the syllable

> > > > > "Hreem," which I know represents Shakti, but to me, I felt

> > that

> > > > > both Shakti and Shiva should be named in the mantra

> with

> > > their

> > > > > names. I have not understood saying "Om Namah

> > Shivaya"

> > > > > (which Amma's people do) as including Shakti, nor did I

> > > > > understand "Om Hreem Namah Shivaya" as holding

> Shakti

> > > and

> > > > > Shiva in perfect balance.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still feel it is valuable to name both Shakti and Shiva,

> > > > God/dess,

> > > > > Fe/Male. Otherwise it is similar to Christianity in

> > considering

> > > > the

> > > > > "Holy Spirit" as the supposed female/feminine influence,

> > > > > relegating Female/Feminity to a whisper after imposing

> the

> > > > > Father and the Son, who are called not spirits, but Father

> > and

> > > > > Son.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Mary Ann

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Thank you so much for the information. I wonder if they have that

dictionary at my local library. I will check out their online catalog. I

also want to find the definition for "rupinyai," and if you feel

inclined to check your copy, I'd be much obliged.

 

I am happy to hear that the word ending can be placed on either

name. I thought there might be limits about that due to feminine

or masculine words per rules of language.

 

I disagree that it makes no difference whether one utters "Shiva"

or "Shakti," however. My perspective is that it's a mainstream

view that envisioning God as male includes the female, or that it

doesn't matter whether we consider God male or female

because our essence is not gendered when we are no longer

embodied. I look at the state of the world, and I think that the

prevailing view is not working. I think articulating both names

interchangeably can help realign ourselves and our world for

better balance. After all, such interchangeability and articulation

has not been happening for thousands of years, and for

thousands of years, we have had much pain, violence and

oppression.

 

Im

 

, "freyachilde"

<freyachilde> wrote:

> Namaste Marry Ann,

>

> From the Monier-Williams Sanskrit dictionary, "aikya" means:

n.

> (from "eka") oneness , unity , harmony , sameness , identity;

> identity of the human soul or of the universe with the Deity.

>

> You could just as well say shakti shivaikya as shaktyaikya

shiva, or

> shiva shaktyaikya: "Shakti and Shiva are one."

>

> Since they are one, it doesn't matter where the ending goes,

it's

> saying the same thing. It's like saying "Rahu's head." There is

> nothing but Rahu's head anyway after it was chopped off by

Devi

> Mohini in the ocean-churning story, so there is no point in

> saying "Rahu's head."

>

> One can just say "Rahu" and one understands "head" -- no

need for the

> whole phrase "Rahu's head." Similary, one can just say

"Shakti"

> or "Shiva" and it points to the same Oneness. However, it is

> necessary to say "shaktyaikya shiva" for those who have not yet

> understood this truth.

>

> AUM

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

<maryann@m...>

> wrote:

> > But why doesn't Shiva conjugate? That is, why is the word

Shakti

> > still changing its ending, but Shiva stays Shiva? What does

> > "yaikya" do or mean on the name Shakti?

> >

> > , "freyachilde"

> > <freyachilde> wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Because they are one, it goes both ways. So yes, when you

say

> > > Shakti, Shiva is included.

> > >

> > > Sanskrit syntax is such that you can change the order of the

> > > words without changing the meanings, much like Latin. So

you

> > > could say "Shaktyaikya Shiva."

> > >

> > > AUM

> > >

> > > , "Mary Ann"

> > > <maryann@m...> wrote:

> > > > Hello, and thank you for your input. I want to spend more

time

> > > > considering it, but it caused me to want to write this

> > > immediately.

> > > > Can you tell me, if I say Shakti, is Shiva included? And

can

> > you,

> > > > or anyone else out there, tell me, regarding this: "Shiva

> > > > Shaktyaikya" -- if I want to say Shakti first, how would it

go?

> I

> > am

> > > > assuming it would not work to say "Shakti Shivyaikya" ....

> > > >

> > > > Looking forward to responses,

> > > > Mary Ann

> > > >

> > > > , "freyachilde"

> > > > <freyachilde> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste Mary Ann,

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course you already know that Shiva-Shakti are one,

so

> > > when

> > > > you

> > > > > name Shiva, you are also naming Shakti.

> > > > >

> > > > > On a more esoteric side, the mantra hrIM is made up

of:

> > > > >

> > > > > ha = ether = Shiva

> > > > > ra = fire = Shakti

> > > > > I = preservation = Vishnu

> > > > > M = anusvara = dissolution and Oneness

> > > > >

> > > > > ha + ra (ether+fire or Shiva + Shakti) = creation

> > > > > ha + ra = hara, another name for Shiva

> > > > > ha + ra + I = hari, another name for Vishnu

> > > > > I = a vowel, which is a Shakti mantra, so "I" more

poperly

> > > > stands

> > > > > for the shakti of preservation a.k.a. Lakshmi

> > > > > IM = Kamakala = Kameshvari+Kamamesvara

> > > > >

> > > > > Basically, the mantra hrIM is the seed for ALL,

Shiva-Shakti,

> > > > > creation, preservation, destruction. Further, this potent

> > > mantra

> > > > is

> > > > > ascribed to Devi as Maya, but truly it holds all in

balance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Further, see the Sri Vidya panchadashakshari mantra.

> > Even

> > > > though it

> > > > > is said to be a mantra for Lalita Mahatripurasundari, it

is

> > > really

> > > > > for both Her and her spouse Kameshvara (Shiva).

Some

> > > > syllables stand

> > > > > for Shiva and some syllables stand for Shakti. When

you

> > > > repeat this

> > > > > mantra, there is no need to say any Shiva mantras, for it

> > > > encodes

> > > > > both of them as ONE.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps...

> > > > >

> > > > > AUM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Mary Ann"

> > > > <maryann@m...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > I'd like to share this with the group and welcome any

> > > > feedback

> > > > > > that comes to your mind.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think I understand now why Ammachi's swami,

when I

> > > > asked

> > > > > > for the mantra to go with the Ardhanarishwari, was

upset

> > > with

> > > > > > me. I don't think I shared this with the group, but after

> I

> > > > > received

> > > > > > my mantra from Ammachi - which required going up

> > twice

> > > > > > because at first, I was given what to me was the

wrong

> > > one),

> > > > I

> > > > > > was told by the swami who instructed me that the

mantra

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > mean anything, that it meant "The God who is half

> > woman,"

> > > > and

> > > > > > wasn't a positive mantra for Devi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yesterday, I re-read the Ardhanarishwari page on the

> > > Shakti

> > > > > > Sadhana homepage (Devi section) which said that

the

> > > deity

> > > > was

> > > > > > originally female, and that Shiva was superimposed

onto

> > > > her,

> > > > > > and was made bigger and superior, with the female

half

> > > > > > becoming only his wife and consort, rather than an

equal.

> > > > First,

> > > > > > Amma's people gave me a mantra that used the

syllable

> > > > > > "Hreem," which I know represents Shakti, but to me, I

felt

> > > that

> > > > > > both Shakti and Shiva should be named in the mantra

> > with

> > > > their

> > > > > > names. I have not understood saying "Om Namah

> > > Shivaya"

> > > > > > (which Amma's people do) as including Shakti, nor

did I

> > > > > > understand "Om Hreem Namah Shivaya" as holding

> > Shakti

> > > > and

> > > > > > Shiva in perfect balance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still feel it is valuable to name both Shakti and Shiva,

> > > > > God/dess,

> > > > > > Fe/Male. Otherwise it is similar to Christianity in

> > > considering

> > > > > the

> > > > > > "Holy Spirit" as the supposed female/feminine

influence,

> > > > > > relegating Female/Feminity to a whisper after

imposing

> > the

> > > > > > Father and the Son, who are called not spirits, but

Father

> > > and

> > > > > > Son.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- Mary Ann

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"Thank you very much, Nora, for your wise input on this"

 

Wise? There is nothing wise about it. Its nonsense actually. You do

not talk to an image. You bring that image into the head, and

thereafter let it be alive in you, and you thereafter become the

image. So when you have become the image, why do you need the

mantras? Then we do not have this trouble of mix and match mantras

according to our whims and fancy. Can one actually mix and match

mantras? What is the point of reciting a mantra that will not work at

all or just sleep. It is better to just talk to DEVI in the words

that you understand or do not recite anything. Just sit there: stare

and smile at DEVI.

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Hello Nora:

 

I understand that for you, it just seems like meaningless

manipulation of words, but to me, it has meaning and value, and

comes from the source you recommend (wisely or not).

 

As for becoming the image of the Ardhanareshwari, I grapple

with the fact that the Shiva side on my favorite picture of the deity

(the one from Nepal) is made larger than Shakti, has more

arms, is holding more things, etc. I have been strongly

influenced by what I have heard and seen in the world, that is, I

know I carry prejudices that exist in language and imagery in

myself. For me, the process of becoming the deity involves

rooting out old habits that don't work, and developing actions and

words that do.

 

As for the mantra, I really do love Amma, who gave me what I

asked for, unlike the swami who judged me and the mantra. I

trust what I have been drawn to, just as you trust what you have

been drawn to. Here are some of Amma's lyrics from her one

song in English. I have made a slight change in the lyrics. Can

you tell what the change is? "Grace us with your compassion,

Lord / I am no one but you, my Lord. / You create this world by

your whim / You dissolve this world by your will. / Grace us with

your compassion, Lord / I am no one but you, my Lord." I hope

Amma will not mind that I have become a co-writer. It's like that

poem (or book?) called "God is my co-pilot" -- Amma is my

co-writer!

 

Smiling at Devi :)

 

 

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> "Thank you very much, Nora, for your wise input on this"

>

> Wise? There is nothing wise about it. Its nonsense actually.

You do

> not talk to an image. You bring that image into the head, and

> thereafter let it be alive in you, and you thereafter become the

> image. So when you have become the image, why do you need

the

> mantras? Then we do not have this trouble of mix and match

mantras

> according to our whims and fancy. Can one actually mix and

match

> mantras? What is the point of reciting a mantra that will not

work at

> all or just sleep. It is better to just talk to DEVI in the words

> that you understand or do not recite anything. Just sit there:

stare

> and smile at DEVI.

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Hello, and thank you for the link, and sharing your knowledge of

Sanskrit. What a wonderful online resource. I'm also going to

take the book entitled: Sanskrit: An Introduction to the Classical

Language out from my local library, and hopefully it can help me

further.

 

Mary Ann

 

, "freyachilde"

<freyachilde> wrote:

> Hello again,

>

> Go to

>

> http://sanskrit.gde.to/

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Nora,

 

Your love of the Goddess is a constant source of inspiration and

support. Thank you for sharing with us.

 

Namaste,

 

prainbow

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> "Thank you very much, Nora, for your wise input on this"

>

> Wise? There is nothing wise about it. Its nonsense actually. You do

> not talk to an image. You bring that image into the head, and

> thereafter let it be alive in you, and you thereafter become the

> image. So when you have become the image, why do you need the

> mantras? Then we do not have this trouble of mix and match mantras

> according to our whims and fancy. Can one actually mix and match

> mantras? What is the point of reciting a mantra that will not work

at

> all or just sleep. It is better to just talk to DEVI in the words

> that you understand or do not recite anything. Just sit there:

stare

> and smile at DEVI.

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You are wise indeed Nora.Your explaination was very well put.

 

love and best wishes.

 

chumki.

 

 

 

, "prainbow61"

<paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> Nora,

>

> Your love of the Goddess is a constant source of inspiration and

> support. Thank you for sharing with us.

>

> Namaste,

>

> prainbow

>

> , "N. Madasamy"

> <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> > "Thank you very much, Nora, for your wise input on this"

> >

> > Wise? There is nothing wise about it. Its nonsense actually. You do

> > not talk to an image. You bring that image into the head, and

> > thereafter let it be alive in you, and you thereafter become the

> > image. So when you have become the image, why do you need the

> > mantras? Then we do not have this trouble of mix and match mantras

> > according to our whims and fancy. Can one actually mix and match

> > mantras? What is the point of reciting a mantra that will not work

> at

> > all or just sleep. It is better to just talk to DEVI in the words

> > that you understand or do not recite anything. Just sit there:

> stare

> > and smile at DEVI.

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