Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2005 A very good post Tony... Wim One , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > > , christiane cameron > <christianecameron@m...> wrote: > > you wrote praying cannot change karma, only meditation is really > > effective (in changing karmas) > > Namaste Chris, > > There is no point in this ball game. > > I am not trying to establish a position or justify my behaviour. So > let me say this again IMO. > Whether a person realises moksha or not, the prarabda karma would > still play out in their life in exactly the same way. The Mukta > doesn't talk as the Self for the Self cannot individualise and still > be the Self. That is why Ramana talked of teaching by 'Silence'/Self. > > So Muktas can be 'fallible' as they still talk as the body/mind and > it is subject to prarabda. Remember the body-mind is there as long > as the body. > > Again if you check Ramana talking of pictures, in this case it was > one of a Sai Baba, more than likely Shirdi Baba. He said that it was > a point of concentration and useful in that way. The same would > apply to mountains or any other form. I know his attitude from > simply reading what he said about things. > > With regard to getting emotional and devotional about a picture. Is > that not concentration? Providing it leads one in the way of Moksha. > However Ramana's teaching was 'Who am I?' simple as that. All the > rest was just steps on the way to that enquiry. > > A Mukta-body cannot talk as the Self---------think about it, the > Self is Universal not particular, that is the Ego. > > In some way when a person becomes realised and loses the ego the > residual mind is energised by the Universal but no new karma or mind > is added. I believe this is the mistake people make in worshipping > Gurus as God incarnate. This is a step on the way but really only as > a Sadhana, it has to be let go of when one goes within. The Guru > pushes from outside but it is the Inner Consciousness that pulls us > in-------so to speak-------'Who am I?'. We are as Maharaj would say > Praneaswara or Sakti. So the step is to merge with the Sakti which > results in realisation of Nirguna at the same time. This can be done > with bhakti-----yes but only bhakti that has lost the ego. > The other steps are part of purification/sadhana, but the real work > is 'Who am I?'. Everything else is only a step. > > Ramana is a body/mind and it can err. The Self is something else > otherwise why bother doing the prarabda. I have no doubt that a > Sadhaka such as Ramana would have a purified mind. However there is > Prarabda!!!!!!!!!Again that is why -------'The teaching of Silence'. > I'm sorry if this upsets you Chris or anybody else, but it is my > prarabda to write it and yours to read it.......Love and ONS...Tony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
