Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2005 > > > > Dear Tony, > Some points. > > I didn't say prarabda can be changed, I just talked about meditation. > Prarabda can be overcome by Moksha but the body/mind still has to > carry out the prarabda. you wrote praying cannot change karma, only meditation is really effective (in changing karmas) please express yourself more clearly then, if that is not what you meant. > > I didn't know that Ramana said it was ok to kill other beings,??? > unless in some form of self defence.?????????Do you have the > quote?(prarabda karma of the mind again). Please be careful. I never never wrote that Ramana said it was ok to kill living beings. How could I. I said, Bhagavan gave permission to kill ants (when building) and mosquitos (in the cowshed). This is a very sloppy way of communicating and I find that extremely disturbing as it distorts my words and even in a sense questions Maharshi. > > When I said he tolerated, I meant just that he couldn't stop them > worshipping so why fight it? If that is their mental capacity. They > still are doing it right now! How can you possibly know Maharshi's attitude on the matter. What audacitiy. And who is "they" > > There is no synthesis of jnana and bhakti in the enquiry 'Whom am I?' > in the commonly understood sense of devotion. Unless you mean merging > with the Sakti. Which is the ultimate goal of devotion. > This is bull. Who is talking about synthesis of jnana and bhakti in the enquiry. The enquiry is one method. The synthesis is in the way the methods of bhakti and jnana (enquiry) were both employed by Maharshi to reach the goal. > Ramana said people use pictures of gurus and worship them for > concentration only. This is the same thing as hills or any other > object. Yes some people to, but others also melt their hearts in love and surrender when they look at pictures of their beloved Guru and that may result in realization or pave the way there. > > Yes you are right about nothing being outside but then in illusion it > appears this way, and as Sankara said --it is real whilst one is in > it-----we have to deal with it. > > Again there are different levels of capacity as Ramana said when > talking of Ajatavada, which he indicated is the ultimate truth. > > Again one has to understand that the body of a Mukta operates on > prarabda karma and so does the operating mind of such. The Self > doesn't individualise in a Mukta, otherwise it isn't the Self. A mukta > can only carry out the prarabda karma in action and that includes the > teachings, unless one is being taught by absolute silence. For that is > the Self. Sorry, no! The teachings of Maharshi were not prompted by his prarabdha. As his mind is dead, his words spring directly from the Self. > > To conclude; The body of the Mukta operates on prarabda, and would > behave exactly the same way if Moksha hadn't taken place. Seeming > errors, human misunderstanding etc etc. That is why the teaching of > Silence or Self is the Truth. For they do not belong to the prarabda > mind of the mukta's erstwhile body. As I say no no no. > > Ramana can err--------the Self cannot..............ONS........Tony. Ramana is Self how can he err. Praradha pertains to Maharshi's body, not to his speech. Sorry, but you are speaking from ignorance. Om Arunachala Shiva Chris Links > > • > advaitajnana/ > > • > advaitajnana > > • Terms of > Service. > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
