Fw: [MillionPaths] Untying The Ego - story by Mother Amma

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "> > > Namaste Chris

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Ramesh is an eclectic plagiarist and eckart an oprah author---

> > that's

> > > it.........ONS..Tony

> >

> > devi: thats very funny...i think your jealous of their name and

> fame

> > and forturne...smiles

>

> Namaste,

>

> No jealousy just experience, that's all. If you think I am wrong in

> my assessment then compare Balsekar's notes with several other

> people and tolle is a no brainer, to work out....ONS..Tony

 

devi: i was just joking....i don't feel much shakti from them..

(whatever that means) but i do think that they have realized the Self

just like Ramana...

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "devianandi" <devi@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> > can you explain to me what is bramaloka? have you been there?

> >

> >

> > and, i'm wondering if you have taken a look at sarlos guru

> > ratings..i'm thinking that there are probabaly 1000 people

listed

> > who

> > in one form or another intimate they are *enlightnened* or

> > > > *muktied*..smiles

> > > Namste,

> > >

> > > You go to Brahmaloka when you sleep everynight, you know as

much

> > > about it as I do. Bhodi sattv just means purified awareness. A

> > mukti

> > > cannot come back they don't exist anymore, an ego is req'd. A

> > > jivanmukta is superior to an avatar of bhodisattva for he has

> > > attained moksha not delayed it.........ONS..Tony

> >

> >

> > devi: we certainly have different definitions for different words.

> > can you point to scriptures or something said by ramana that

says

> > that you don't exist anymore? because i am under the impression

> that

> > we are atmas that become Paramatmas....

>

> Namaste,,

>

> You are missing the basic point of all advaitic and vedantic

> teachings, namely that Atma and Paramatma are one.....ONS..Tony

 

devi: yes maybe i am....but anyway, i was trying to point out that

you are an eternal atma with the cloths of a human being at the

moment and eventually you will become Paramatma, a self-realized

atma...you as tony may cease to exist but your atma lives on...there

is no such thing as annilation..(sorry for the spelling error),,from

my point of view..

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--- AnneChris <am009a8716 wrote:

>

> -----

> mb: Yeah. I'm not arguing that either. But I am

> saying that the whole idea of judging whether some

> is

> or is not enlightened is absurd. First of all,

> What

> is enlightenment? Is it anything at all? Does it

> exist? And if so, What the heck is it?

>

> But if enlightenment actualy exists, how would the

> "unenlightened" be able to judge whether or not

> this

> or that preacher guy is "enlightened"?

>

> SNIP

>

> Regards,

>

> michael

>

> Chris writing.

> I can go along with this Michael.

> Its not about the Guru its about "Who am I?"

> How have I grown spiritually not that I can really

> "judge" myself?

> Is there a BAD!! Guru?

> I think Life is the Guru and you are brought

> whatever experience you need till you realize that

> there no experiencer no object experienced only

> experiencing.

>

> Namaste Chris

>

 

There is nothing but LIFE/SELF/BRAHMAN/GOD or GURU.

That's the beauty of it. There's no way to go wrong

unless we think that there is. But before we can

proclaim that some guy is "enlightened" we should

define the term.

 

Regards,

 

michael

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--- devianandi <devi wrote:

>

> > mb: Yeah. I'm not arguing that either. But I am

> > saying that the whole idea of judging whether some

> is

> > or is not enlightened is absurd. First of all,

> What

> > is enlightenment? Is it anything at all? Does it

> > exist? And if so, What the heck is it?

> >

> > But if enlightenment actualy exists, how would the

> > "unenlightened" be able to judge whether or not

> this

> > or that preacher guy is "enlightened"?

> >

>

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > michael

>

> devi: since you said it is so easy in your provious

> post why now are

> you asking what is it and is it anything at all and

> does it exist and

> what the heck is it...i'm all confused about you

> now...smiles

>

>

Dear Devi,

 

Earlier, I posted quotes in regard to "freedom". To

me "enlightenment" seems to imply that someone has

arrived at a "final" condition, that a person is in

the "know". It seems to imply that they are

omniscient, omnipotent, etc. Perhaps there are

persons like that; but I don't know. And further more

how could one know?

 

But to me, freedom is something different. It is

simply unattachment that yields a constant sense of

satisfaction or peace.

 

michael

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Tony,

 

To answer your query's:

 

Q: Who is the unenlightened ego that is performing this illusory

response? Who is it that writes and responds on the internet.

 

A: Life.

 

Q: So having said that why on earth are you contributing to all

this?...

 

A: Life is here :-)

 

 

Tony. The teaching of the Christ, the Buddha, Ramana, Tolle and a host of

others, at its core, is incredibly simple.

 

100% attachment to thought, stops one from realizing ones true Self, which

inevitably results in suffering.

 

Given this, you have a choice to make. Either continue searching,

struggling, learning, forgetting, creating mental images and constructs, or

stop. Its that simple. Just stop with the mental noise and let your Self

come to the surface.

 

It really is simple..........

 

Branwell

 

 

 

At 01:24 PM 2/2/2004, you wrote:

>, Branwell McClory

><branwell1@e...> wrote:

> > This thread has been a nice lesson on how the illusory sense of

>self takes

> > a point of view, judges and labels it as the truth, then defends

>it

> > illusion as reality.

> >

> > Thank you for the lesson.

> >

> > Branwell

>

>Namaste,,

>

>Who is the unenlightened ego that is performing this illusory

>response? Who is it that writes and responds on the internet. For we

>unenlightened ones on here without you great wisdom, your point is

>taken. So having said that why on earth are you contributing to all

>this?..........ONS..>

>

>/join

>

>

>

>

>

>"Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

>Sri Ramana

>

>In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

>

> Links

>

>

> /

>

>

>

>

>Your

>

[Guest guest]

, Branwell McClory

<branwell1@e...> wrote:

> Tony,

>

> To answer your query's:

>

> Q: Who is the unenlightened ego that is performing this illusory

> response? Who is it that writes and responds on the internet.

>

> A: Life.

>

> Q: So having said that why on earth are you contributing to all

> this?...

>

> A: Life is here :-)

>

>

> Tony. The teaching of the Christ, the Buddha, Ramana, Tolle and a

host of

> others, at its core, is incredibly simple.

>

> 100% attachment to thought, stops one from realizing ones true

Self, which

> inevitably results in suffering.

>

> Given this, you have a choice to make. Either continue searching,

> struggling, learning, forgetting, creating mental images and

constructs, or

> stop. Its that simple. Just stop with the mental noise and let

your Self

> come to the surface.

>

> It really is simple..........

>

> Branwell

 

Namaste B,

 

Excellent! I now don't expect to ever see your name again on here or

anywhere else.........ONS...Tony

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Dear Branwell

I agree with you totally.

But you need to realize this truth completely and give everything living likewise.

Otherwise even "seeking light truth love...." becomes a mind-play, ego-play....

All the best from Tuscany

Michael Bindel

>Branwell McClory

> >To:

>Re: Re: Fw:

[MillionPaths] Untying The Ego - story by Mother Amma >Mon, 02

Feb 2004 16:02:43 -0500 > >Tony, > >To answer your query's: > >Q: Who

is the unenlightened ego that is performing this illusory >response?

Who is it that writes and responds on the internet. > >A: Life. > >Q:

So having said that why on earth are you contributing to all >this?...

> >A: Life is here :-) > > >Tony. The teaching of the Christ, the

Buddha, Ramana, Tolle and a host of >others, at its core, is

incredibly simple. > >100% attachment to thought, stops one from

realizing ones true Self, which >inevitably results in suffering. >

>Given this, you have a choice to make. Either continue searching,

>struggling, learning, forgetting, creating mental images and

constructs, or >stop. Its that simple. Just stop with the mental

noise and let your Self >come to the surface. > >It really is

simple.......... > >Branwell > > > >At 01:24 PM 2/2/2004, you wrote:

> >, Branwell McClory > > wrote:

> > > This thread has been a nice lesson on how the illusory sense of

> >self takes > > > a point of view, judges and labels it as the

truth, then defends > >it > > > illusion as reality. > > > > > >

Thank you for the lesson. > > > > > > Branwell > > > >Namaste,, > > >

>Who is the unenlightened ego that is performing this illusory >

>response? Who is it that writes and responds on the internet. For we

> >unenlightened ones on here without you great wisdom, your point is

> >taken. So having said that why on earth are you contributing to

all > >this?..........ONS..Tony > > > > >

>/join > > >

> > > >

> > > > >"Love itself is the actual form

of God." > > > >Sri Ramana > > > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > Links > > > >To visit your

group on the web, go to: > >

/ > > > >To

from this group, send an email to: > >

> > > >Your use of

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--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> , Branwell

> McClory

> <branwell1@e...> wrote:

> > Tony,

> >

> > To answer your query's:

 

snip

>> > It really is simple..........

> >

> > Branwell

>

> Namaste B,

>

> Excellent! I now don't expect to ever see your name

> again on here or

> anywhere else.........ONS...Tony

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Perhaps it is these expectations that you need to see

clearly Tony.

 

Love,

Harsha

 

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Dear unknown friend

whats the fuss about these "Gurus" being "realized" or not?

If zou do not feel attached to them - its okay

If you fell attached to them - its okay

due to my personal experience

all my life I only accepted people who have been really authentic

even as boy 10 years old I felt it but of course only now fifty

years later I can accept that was not only rebellious but that I was

really right

Ramana blessed me with "his" Grace only afterwards much later I realized it

HE IS

I AM WHAT I AM thats "him"

for me it is like he told us

he is HERE always

thats it

for little michael and big MICHAEL

and thats fine

reading what the other "gURUS" say or write

- even if they are right -

something does not touch "me"

but everything Ramana wrote everything

touches "me"

all the best

peace to all of us

MICHAEL BINDEL

>"devianandi"

> >To:

> Re: Fw:

[MillionPaths] Untying The Ego - story by Mother Amma >Mon, 02

Feb 2004 18:35:33 -0000 > >,

"Tony OClery"

>wrote: > > , "> > > Namaste

Chris > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Ramesh is an eclectic

plagiarist and eckart an oprah author--- > > > that's > > > >

it.........ONS..Tony > > > > > > devi: thats very funny...i think

your jealous of their name and > > fame > > > and forturne...smiles >

> > > Namaste, > > > > No jealousy just experience, that's all. If you

think I am wrong in > > my assessment then compare Balsekar's notes

with several other > > people and tolle is a no brainer, to work

out....ONS..Tony > >devi: i was just joking....i don't feel much

shakti from them.. >(whatever that means) but i do think that they

have realized the Self >just like Ramana... > > Add photos to your

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Branwell wroteTony. The teaching of the Christ, the Buddha, Ramana,

Tolle and a host of others, at its core, is incredibly simple.100%

attachment to thought, stops one from realizing ones true Self, which

inevitably results in suffering.Given this, you have a choice to make.

Either continue searching, struggling, learning, forgetting, creating

mental images and constructs, or stop. Its that simple. Just stop

with the mental noise and let your Self come to the surface.It really

is simple..........Branwellchris writes

Not stroking your non existant ego Branwell

But you said it so much better than I.Amen

Namaste

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, "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...>

wrote:

>

>

> Branwell wrote

>

> Tony. The teaching of the Christ, the Buddha, Ramana, Tolle and

a host of

> others, at its core, is incredibly simple.

>

> 100% attachment to thought, stops one from realizing ones true

Self, which

> inevitably results in suffering.

>

> Given this, you have a choice to make. Either continue

searching,

> struggling, learning, forgetting, creating mental images and

constructs, or stop. Its that simple. Just stop with the mental

noise and let your Self

> come to the surface.

>

> It really is simple..........

>

> Branwell

>

> chris writes

> Not stroking your non existant ego Branwell

> But you said it so much better than I.

> Amen

> Namaste

Namaste,

 

I have no struggle, nothing to learn, nothing left to read, no

mental images to create or reinforce, no constructs...it is really a

strange place to be. I will admit to some forms in preparation for

meditation at the neural level though--counterpart signs that's all.

My Self has no surface to rise to or rise from, it is not my self.

It is me the only Self.........ONS..Tony

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Dear Chris and Anne,

thankyou for this reply.

Yes, I did find it helpful.

Love

Warwick

-

AnneChris

Monday, February 02, 2004 8:41 PM

Re: Re: Fw: [MillionPaths] Untying The Ego - story by Mother Amma

WW wrote

One of the most commonly cited reasons for proclaiming that one's

guru-of-choice was/is "enlightened" is that "I had this mystical

transcendent experience (or experiences) while in his presence."

But is this kind of experience enough?

Chris is sayingDear WW

yes all you say is valid.

Anything that is passing ie time bound is not It.

Experiences come and go.

The deepest states of meditation while beautifull are not it and one

can form the ego identity of the one who has the most amazing

spiritual experiences, no that most definately is not it.

If ability to rotate chakras, profound spiritual knowledge, guaranteed

enlightenment then millions would be enlightened so thats not it.

Its easier to say what it isent (the negitive way)

I believe there is no enlightenment and every one is enlightened.

No enlightenment because there only is consciousness. Everyone is

enlightened in the dream but they just dont know it so ignorance

needs to be removed.

Eckharts teaching is based on the timeless NOW I can only sugest that

The Power of Now is read by any one who feels drawn to it.

Rameshes teaching is based on " You are not the doer"

I can only state that the teachings of both of these "writers" has made a lasting

improvement in my life. I have constant peace within myself that just

was not obtainable through conventional methods. I am qualified in

Hypnotherapy N.L.P.

Physcotherapy Reiki and Bi-Aura. While those brought improvment in my

life just not the same depth of tranquility.

My mind now is relativly quiet/still which the main indicator of

spiritual progress given by Ramana

I am not enlightened but if this is as good as it gets that fine.

Hope this is helpfull ( not that you need help from me)

Regards to all Chris ( Anne is my partner WW)

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