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Murali you really are acting like an idiot Better change quick or your personality will solidify and you'll be like this permanently in your middle age. JNDas, do you have an online account number I can transfer money to for buying some more toys for these kids. Post the account number here. I am short of cash at the moment but I can send a little. In fact I usually only spend money on living expenses and on seva but I would just like to show some support for what you are doing for those children in their villages.

The antaranga-shakti is different from the jiva-shakti This is what Mahaprabhu taught.

The Brahman effulgence is non-different from Bhagavan. It is a part of his Being. Where in the scriptures does it say that Brahman is nitya-baddha? Your ideas are totally idiotic. Krishna says in the Gita:

Vrindaban Dham is where people who are liberated from material consciousness go so they can engage in intense bhajan. If Gurudev takes you to Braj or gives his blessings for you to visit there then you can enter Vrindaban.

Murali I suggest you back off You made a few useful points and yes Chinese toys are not that good for anyone's soul But JNDas is definitely on the right track here. Those kids life is far removed from the frames of reference people live within in the West. A simple gift like a toy can really bring an overwhelming feeling of joy into their life When you haven't been to Orissa or rural Bengal or Kolkata and you haven't experienced the emptiness and futility of life that so many children are experiencing every day, then just be glad that someone else is doing something to help those little kids. I've studied the faces of little children living under the arches of Howrah bridge in Kolkata and I've given money to poor people, including men whose legs were amputated after road accidents, and I didn't give because I want to stroke my ego but because my heart told me I MUST GIVE. I've no doubt JNDas is sincere in what he's doing. Repect him for that. Even if you do happen to disagree (as I do) with his other beliefs.

Sarva gatah is the person who never answers facts with reasonable replies. Look at the top of this page where Beggar wrote: Look at the statements of Sri Chaitanya that I posted. Mahaprabhu told Sanatan Goswami that souls come from Brahman and go to Goloka. And then this criminal Gauragopal (sarva) abuses Srila Sridhara Maharaja for saying the same thing that Mahaprabhu said. Like it says in the post from Caitanya Caritamrta on the previous page, people who oppose the teachings of Mahaprabhu but worship Krishna will get born again and again (bahu janma -- in Bengali). The FALL FROM GOLOKA people are of this category. They are presenting a philosophy different from what Mahaprabhu taught. They can do that of course, and people who have bad karma will listen and think that Krishna doesn't really protect his devotees. All this can happen. After all, this is Kali yuga.

Realist is Sarva gatah is Gauragopala

This man Gauragopala is never going to accept the truth. The sins he has committed are of such great magnitude that the Truth must remain hidden from him for lifetimes. Consequently he will stick with a mistaken concept of life like that other monster who attacks children named Putana

The things youv'e done that are on your mind don't go away do they Gauragopala?

Srila Bhakti Sundar Govinda Dev Goswami Maharaj doesn't allow his grhasta disciples and their children to live in Vrindaban.

Prabhupada said, Prabhupada said, if you really knew what Prabhupada said then you wouldn't have caused all the havoc you caused when you did what you did at New Govardhana. Nakula used to call you Gaura go perv. He had his ribs broken for saying what he knew as true, as you may remember.... That's my reply to you, Gauragopala.

An alternate reading of verse 2.20.112: "'Visnu sakti (cit sakti) is spiritual, and the energy known as the living entity is also spiritual. However, there is another energy, called illusion, which consists of fruitive activity. That is the Lord's third potency.' Lord Chaitanya makes a distinction between the para-sakti (cit-sakti, antaranga-sakti) and the jiva sakti. They are different.

Interesting to see the word Sambhu translated in this way. Sambhu is generally taken to be a name of Shiva. So is Isa. This Upanishad is a monotheistic hymn to Shiva who is non-different from Narayana.

Keshava Tadipatri & Shrisha Rao from Udupi in Kerala.

Commentary of Sri Madhvacharya An interesting observation pops into my mind reading this commentary. To worship Visnu but to be thinking Visnu is not the Creator (Brahma) is deep ignorance. To think God is the Creator but to not see him as Siva and Vishnu is an even deeper type of ignorance. Madhvacarya was in contact with a religion that imagines God as the Creator but denies God is Visnu and Shiva. The religion was Islam.

Precisely Chaitanya Mahaprabhu taught Sanatan Goswami that souls emerge from Brahman and go to Goloka. Chaitanyadeva never said anyone can emerge from Goloka and fall into Maya.

Srila Govinda Maharaj himself described today by phone the huge programmes taking place at the Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, International, of Long Mountain, Mauritius. He described yesterday's grand installation of the Deities, and today's continuing festival with several thousand overflowing the nat mandir during the noon arati. Srila Govinda Maharaj is clearly most enthusiastic and pleased to see this great response in Mauritius to Krishna consciousness.

Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 10.88.25-26 ajānantaḥ prati-vidhiḿ tūṣṇīm āsan sureśvarāḥ tato vaikuṇṭham agamad bhāsvaraḿ tamasaḥ param yatra nārāyaṇaḥ sākṣān nyāsināḿ paramo gatiḥ śāntānāḿ nyasta-daṇḍānāḿ yato nāvartate gataḥ The great demigods could only remain silent, not knowing how to counteract the benediction. Then Lord Śiva reached the luminous realm of Vaikuṇṭha, beyond all darkness, where the Supreme Lord Nārāyaṇa is manifest. That realm is the destination of renunciants who have attained peace and given up all violence against other creatures. Going there, one never returns. PURPORT According to Śrīla Śrīdhara Svāmī, Lord Śiva entered the planet of Śvetadvīpa, a special outpost of the spiritual world within the confines of the material universe. There, on a beautiful white island surrounded by the celestial ocean of milk, Lord Viṣṇu rests on the serpent bed of Ananta Śeṣa, making Himself available to the demigods when they need His help.

This is not what the Bhagavatam says. Your idea is not taught in the Upanishads or Vedas say either. And it is not what Sri Chaitanya taught to his disciples. Sri Chaitanya explained to Sanatan Goswami in great detail how souls emerge from Brahman and go to Goloka. Sri Chaitanya never said that souls sometimes emerge from Goloka and enter Brahman or Maya. The words and direct teachings of Sri Chaitanya and his direct disciples Rupa and Sanatana are of more significance than the words of any of his later successors (including Srila Prabhupada). People who are opposing or arguing against the original teachings of Sri Chaitanyadeva will be reborn and go to school on earth again so they can learn the real teachings of Guru-Gauranga. They will need to learn the true teachings of Lord Chaitanya before they ever get to enter Goloka.

Mauritius is something like heaven for the devotees of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. Four temples, many hundreds of initiated disciples of Srila Gurudev and Srila Guru Maharaj, and a wonderful sannyasi (Sripad Narayan Maharaj) who preaches on the street almost every day. I have been fortunate to have had a lot of association with Sripad Narayan Maharaj and in my opinion he is one of the most spiritually advanced disciples of Srila Sridhar Maharaj I've met.

Krishna is Brahman, Paramatma and Bhagavan Losing our original consciousness means losing our original state of liberated consicousness where we were absorbed in Krishna in his aspect of Brahman. There are 13 kinds of santa-bhaktas. Included within this list of santa-bhaktas are impersonalists who worship the Lord as a formless Being. A soul can fall down from that state of Brahman realization. But no soul who is purely in Krishna Consciousness will ever fall down and be lost in Maya.

Can nitya-siddha associates of Sri Krishna stop being fully Krishna conscious and enter into another state of mind where they are dreaming material thoughts or directly experiencing material life? I can probably find fifty or a hundred slokas that say the associates of Sri Krishna never fall down from their transcendental state of perfection. And in CC Madhya 20 we read the teachings of Sri Krishna Chaitanya to Sanatan Goswami and find that the Lord spoke very clearly about the soul, the atma. The very first thing the Lord says is this: CC Madhya 20.108-109: "It is the living entity's constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Krishna because he is the marginal energy of Krishna and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire." Sri Chaitanyadeva never said to Sanatana Gosami that souls fall from Vaikuntha. This FALL FROM VAIKUNTHA concept was never taught by Lord Chaitanya.

All glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga Report from Mauritius by Srilekha Devi Dasi of USA, accompanying the entourage with Srila Bhakti Sundar Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj on his 24th World Tour 8 February 2008 Pictures: Dipta Krishna Prabhu Dandabat pranams from Mauritius! Yesterday morning, Feb 7th, His Divine Grace Srila Bhakti Sundar Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj gave initiation to nineteen devotees, including many children of the devotees here. I was very touched to see their behaviour. Every child, after receiving the holy seed of devotion by His Divine Grace, went around and offered humble obeisances to each of the older devotees assembled there. They were not asking for blessing for a long life, or success in their studies, or a favourable marriage partner. They were asking for and receiving only the blessings to remain steadily in this perfect line, and to always be blessed with the service of their Divine Master. In the afternoon, Srila Gurudev graced the Vaisnava Seva Society Ashram for the second time. The event was the official inauguration of the temple hall, and was attended by more than a thousand devotees and guests. Both the main hall and a large outside area were completely full. The ceremony began with an interview of Srila Gurudev by the national television station, which was followed by a beautiful talk delivered by His Divine Grace in Hindi. Srila Gurudev stressed that all the Vedic Scriptures glorify Svayam Bhagavan Krishna as the Supreme Truth. He explained that Krishna has come in this age as Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu to distribute the chanting of His own Holy Names for our supreme benefit. And importantly, Mahaprabhu also taught us HOW to chant: that is with humility, tolerance, and offering all respects to others. The entire crowd remained quiet, fully absorbed in hearing this most blessed message from the lips of the genuine pure devotee of the Lord. Srila Gurudev then handed the microphone to Sripad Goswami Maharaj. I noticed that the guests were very attentive throughout Maharaj's lecture, though English is the third language here, after Creole and French. Nilanjana Didi later remarked to me that due to Sripad Goswami Maharaj's clear voice and uncomplicated style, the Mauritan guests and devotees were able to follow and very much appreciate his lecture. Sripad Siddhanti Maharaj also spoke very nicely in English and then Sripad Narayan Maharaj of Mauritius spoke in Creole. The talks ended with enthusiastic applause, and were followed by an invitation to one and all from the President of our Vaisnava Seva Society, Amalendu Prabhu, to come forward for darshan of His Divine grace and to offer daksina. Every person present very happily accepted this opportunity to present himself before Srila Gurudev, the ocean of affection and mercy, and make his or her offering to his Lotus Feet. The festival concluded with Aratik and Mahaprasad Feast. When Srila Gurudev returned to his house, he sat down in his sitting area and simply continued informal talks with devotees! This morning, Feb 8th, Srila Gurudev showed the devotees pictures and videos of our temples all over the world. He talked about many devotees and temples, including our San Jose Ladies Ashram, our Soquel Ashram, and the Mexican Veracruz Ashram. He told about how it miraculously snowed, by the grace of Sri Sri Radha Madhava, just days before he left St. Petersburg, and didn't snow again for a long time after that. The devotees were relishing these often funny talks, and related them to each other again and again throughout the day. This afternoon, after a strong downpour due to nearby cyclone activity, Srila Gurudev again went out on his scooter, this time going farther and wider through the neighbourhood. We passed along the bordering countryside, whose real conscious beauty can be seen only by his divine vision. Srila Gurudev is relaxed and happy with the devotees here, and the atmosphere is very family-like. More later! With obeisances, ~Srilekha Devi Dasi

Current price is 1550rs for a Tata Sumo from Kolkata to Nabadwip. Sometimes they try and charge more, and one time recently I had to pay 1600

Srila Gurudev goes from his house to the temple, on his Vyasa Puja day on Christmas day. Maha-sankirtana ki joy!