kailasa

Instead, he decided to go to Iraq (!) during the war (!) - the first world war

Then SBST was very kind for him.

It is simply trade. Sankhya about "rasa lila" for ignorant.

Top - "madhurya"

"We are theach top"

Metods - "siddha pranali"

"We are give siddha pranali"

Come.

"Sidha pranali, frech siddha pranali, top rasa, top guru"

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Gaudiya not sambhoga. But for materialist it is dark region. They very love "madhurya". It is very understable for materialists.

Spiritual mind is expansion Lord Aniruddha. Form soul come from relations with God, but essense soul is spiritual emotions. Yes? /images/graemlins/smile.gif No? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Pure mind is Vasudeva. Krisna be born in this pure mind or pure conciousness, His father Vasudeva.

Siddha rupa it is soul. Form soul, spiritual emotions.

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You haven't been following this discussion properly. Sri Jiva Goswami, Sri Mukunda das Goswami and Sri Vishwanatha Chakravarti all say siddha-rupa mentally MIND body is. Chaitanya also say.

It is the same.

SBST write about form because for babajis know - in our parampara we all know. Another disciples (who mathure) know siddha body without letter.

SBST liberated soul He is not ordinary soul. Srila Prabhupada too.

Bhakti Vilas Tirtha not so mathure, then SBST write for him letter. For help. Bhakti Vilas Tirtha not so mathure then Srila Prabhupada make several harsh statements on record against him.

May be Bhakti Vilas Tirtha very desire know own rasa, then SBST very kind write letter for him. He is send letter for all vaisnavas will be know glory Bhakti Vilas Tirtha. SBST very kind for him.

Srila Prabhupada it bhagavata acarya, expansion Lord Caitanya. Really He is NEVER do not ordinary disciple.

Humility it is good Prabhu.

, he elsewhere states quite specifically that seva is to be done in the sadhaka-rupa and in the siddha-rupa.

Sadhana rupa it is material body - man, woman (body woman too not siddha body /images/graemlins/smile.gif)), animales ets). Siddha rupa it is soul. Form soul, spiritual emotions. But siddha rupa (chant, listen, memory Krisna), rasa ets it is not bogus "siddha pranali".

Your bogus "siddha pranali" is siddha rupa?

P.S, I thought you said "adieu"?

Do not worry, boy Bogus. Muralidhar Prabhu will be write as he desire. Do not press him. You write -

Nobody here has shouted against you.

But now you press Murali. Yes? Bogus Prabhu /images/graemlins/smile.gif)

Who can say for sure what Mahaprabhu did?

Sastra. Do not be fool.

If "siddha pranali" autoritete practic many autority sastra was write this. Any way some external simptoms spiritual body do not has essence spiritual life. Spiritual body it is spiritual emotion, your spiritual name it is not main.

If you has spiritual name, what it possible has bhava? It is obvious.

If you has DEVOTION all another emanate - name, dress ets.

Some guru - "you name - ..., your dress - ..." What use? /images/graemlins/smile.gif)) It is not give any spiritual. It is give for you spiritual power? Bhava? Foolisness.

You dress as you like for Krisna.

Baladev states that the soul manifests its own original form. The soul doesn't get a new "spiritual" body when he is liberated.

Yes, it is true.

Spiritual body it is soul himself. Eternal. Cit sakti too. Cit it is body, form, ananda it is relation with Lord. In material world soul simply cover by maya.

Also it doesn't follow that just because this line has spread the Holy Name to every town and vilage doesn't mean that they are right. That itself is a form of egoism.

No real ISKCON do not follow blind sraddha, we give for you arguments.

"Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is parampara system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called parampara system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acarya, immediate next acarya. "

Without true guru person do not understand own spiritual body. Jumps do not hope.

Paramahamsa: Practically speaking, Srila Prabhupada, you are giving us the essence of all the previous acaryas' books in your books.

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.

Prabhupada: He sent his first book...

Ambassador: Yes.

Prabhupada: ...in 1896. Bhaktivinoda Thakura was the first origin of this movement. But he simply thought of it. And he was expecting some others that willing to take up the work. Well, somebody says that I am the same man. And I was born in 1896. So he wanted to combine the whole civilized nations under this Caitanya Mahaprabhu's cult, Hare Krsna movement. I think I have given this hint in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya.

SBT writes - the hell does not exist. Obviously that it is the part sermon SBT for neophytes and materialists. (I look now references for stoneheart)

Part cermon SBT for sahajiyas. Then SBST do not accept it in some degree.

SBT start preach. It is naturally in starting give simple things. He is begin. Srila Prabhupada write and theach end -supreme mood, mood Lord Caitanya.

If some speak SBT is partial incarnation Gadadhara Pandita, then Gadadhara in mood Rukmini devi. Then GM has so many things from mood Rukmini devi.

Madhumangala is a happily smiling brahman Goloka Vrindavana. He looks solid and surely like a perfect brahman. He can easily predict future. When somebody makes his first move, Madhumangala usually makes his fifth one.

And what I see. Two more are going beside him. These are certainly His friends and seem not to worry about anything, feeling absolute freedom. They ran away from mother Yasoda and at last became themselves - country boys. They had gone outdoors in order to find the biggest elephant and then to shove it through the eye of a needle. Or something in this manner /images/graemlins/smile.gif)

Madhumangala as a brahman and the Lord Balarama as the elder brother of Krishna are with a slightly proud air. The Lord Balarama is even a little haughty. A small plough on His shoulder suggests for some reason that He has extraordinary strength. Madhumangala is undoubtedly the incarnation of the perfect intelligence of the whole company.

It is a hot summer.

Splendid peacocks are busy in their conversation.

The sunshine fills blooming gardens with beauty.

These games will be unusual as always. It is felt that something will happen soon. And this something seems to be beyond everybody's comprehension. Along toward evening all the neighbourhood will be speaking about these new uncommon events. All gopis will learn about the happening and get together to look at their heroes again.

- Hey, Krishna! You are always in the company of Madhumangala. You probably think it can increase your godliness, don't you?

- But Madhumangala only makes himself out a Brahman. For sure Your behavior, Krishna, always leaves much to be desired just because of this.

Kailasa,

some things you are saying here should not be discussed on this thread which is about "siddha-pranali".

I am write about theme siddha pranali - siddha deha. We discuss autority who speak about siddha deha.

Maybe, if you want, you can write to me personally in regard to some issues you are talking about. Write to me here: mark.anson{@}sydneyNSW.com.au

If you want i am write.

Raga you able answer? Raga do not able answer?

It's not a guessing game, if you don't know these things Kailash, don't speculate as to the internal eternal swarup of great souls.

I am know.

If you have listened very closely to Srila Sridhara Maharajs' discourses you will realize he most often advocated the rupanuga line of radhadasyam that his master came to give specificly.

Temple SP it is Krisna balaram mandir it is sakhya. SP speak some devotees "I am in sakhya." Sridhara Svami not has so qualifications. Then in CSM they preach blind sraddha.

Plus in the last days of Srila Prabhupad Bhaktisiddanta Saraswatis' manifest time on Earth he asked Srila Sridhara Maharaj to sing Sri Rupa Manjari .

And what? If Narayana Prabhu make samadhi SP then hi is acarya? It is arguments for fools. Sridhara Svami destroy all GM.

in the congregation of assembled vaisnavas, those present saw this as a divine transmission into that transcendental reality.

It is speculation. Guru preach in logic and arguments. Guru do not make any "mistikelectric" powres. SP write about this. Srila Prabhupada write - "Sridhara Svami not has good qualifikation" I am has this citations.

Meaning the service arena of Srimate Rupa Manjari. Just before leaving this world himself, he told "You will find me dancing in the courtyard Sri Rupa",

Who? SBST?

And protecting the sacred line of the rupanuga Guru varga as given by his blessed guru from misrepresentation.

Also Srila Guru Maharaj has talked about the rasa of his dear friend Srila Swami Maharaj it is recorded on tape. It is better to hear from these paramahamsas than to guess where they are serving in their nitya lila.

Yes Srila Prabhupada very clear instruct disciples.

This is way beyond most of our melted down brains.

Lord Iesus speak - "all heart all reason" It is uttama adhikari. Kanistha adhikario theach blind sraddha. You read Rupa Gosvami about uttama? Open, read, do not follow kanistha guru.

You need to show me where Srila Prabhupada ever said any such thing. What's your evidence for making such an assertion? I know differently. In the early '70s he authorized his disciple Goursundar das to translate Jaiva Dharma. I know that Goursundar was working on it, along with my friend Tarun Kanti, in 1972. And I was in the room when Srila Prabhupada discussed it later with Tarun Kanti. Prabhupada knew about it and approved it. He even pointed out that it would have been easy for him to get Goursundar a copy of the book in Bengali.

Hare Krisna Prabhu. I am listen - "not print SBT". Now i am do not memory where. I am try memory and write for you about this. May be i am listen, may be i am read.

I am listen (or read) another thing - "all what needs i am write in Me books"

Anyway Srila Prabhupada do not theach sambhoga vada in highe contecst. He is speak - "no sambhoga". SBT writes about sambhoga.

Did he know the manjari-names of Srila Prabhupada

Prabhuapada is sakya. Sridhara Svami preach mood Rukmini devi. It is more mood right wings.

I am write hand. I am STRICTLY follow Jagat Prabhu. /images/graemlins/smile.gif))) Jagat it is you? /images/graemlins/smile.gif))

Russian-English translator, it is extremely different to understand what you say.

Siddha pranali emanate from love

some external atributes do not has any value

Understable? Yours gyana and English do not hope you. Baja Srila Prabhupada mudha mate. You see Lord Siva boy?

Oh they see Krisna /images/graemlins/smile.gif)))

Siddha pranali emanate from love - bhava, another way some external atributes do not has any value. If you know own name, clotes, what value? It is not bring for you nothing.

What speak Muralidhar Prabhu? Kailasa is bad? /images/graemlins/smile.gif You most educated person in CSM who I am know. Needs follow SP do not need blind sraddha. Needs knowlege only "kripa" it is not true standart. Real guru gives direct understanding it is uttama. Sraddha it is begining spiritual life. Yes?

If you foloow for blind you make also blind himself. Open now Jaiva Dharma. Wrong preaching make blaind you.