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The science KC has the large gradation. Lord Krisna begins her description from a situation of soul, karma yoga, gyana, then dhyana. Further He speaks about the maximum situation and bhakti yoga. Then the material world, situation of soul in the material world, varnasrama, various religions, various types of activity in the material world, supersoul and so on is described.
The essence in that all set of ways comes to an end by direct fidelity to the God. Essence that as the God всемогущь, the person which is betraid to the God does not depend more from any methods. Actually in it essence all sastra. For this reason Krisna also speaks Arjuna - " completely understanding Me, enter in battle ". What for a level of this activity? It samadhi or the top by all yoga, thus is shown all and any spiritual qualities.
The person can move gradually. Studying to endow fruits, further having shown reason, then having realized ultimate the purpose or categories of absolute life, the person is focused to them and rising through comprehension brahman, and then supersoul, the person begins devoted service to the God. The gradual way is those. But direct way this delivery itself to the God. SP writes in this occasion that - " it is a question of a recognition of the spiritual facts " and " from the very beginning of such study of a spiritual science the person is at a level of clearing ".
- " All these qualities (spiritual) are shown natural by an image. "
For example in according with varnasram, Arjuna was ksatriya and according did not occupy brahmanical a situation. Nevertheless Krisna also does not advise him to change the social status. From the point of view of gradual spiritual development, the person should tower from the lowest positions up to maximum, but in a direct way the speech about it and is not conducted, in it there is no necessity.
The god specially has chosen this example with battle what TO EMPHASIZE that of a various sort material concepts of spiritual life not so are important. How there can be a battle by spiritual activity, you see we perfectly know what spiritual qualities? In an ideal the person should rise on a level brahman of qualities before serve? Actually answer is, that the soul transcendental in relation to any qualities and in devoted service it quite all is realized. Actually Krisna also does not give instructions Arjuna to follow gradual of a way. Certainly, the God preaches to all world and gradual way, but Arjuna He offers another.
Krisna does the retrospective description all, simply what to show at a level of logic and knowledge, situation of the God. What to show The Supreme situation to all world, Krisna as directly demonstrates itself, as sourse all and further He sums up - " fidelity to me and there is a ultimate goal and vedas, both material life and religious life ".
Therefore if to look essence BG, the fidelity to the God is quite clear that and there is an essence of spiritual knowledge. As an example of such fidelity on behalf of Arjuna there is given also.
What frequently occurs in our case? In our case the people simply try to simulate spiritual qualities, that the God to do at all does not advise. He not calls that that for this, He at all does not advise anything to simulate. If Arjuna ksatriya and for him quite natural of anger for example, the God simply advises him to use of anger on purpose(assignment). That's all. For example Krisna speaks Arjuna - " win lust " in that case lust was shown in attachment to the relatives, therefore Krisna speaks him - " by the weapon of knowledge win lust, rise and battle ".
Therefore spiritually that is connected to the God. And not spiritually all rest. Anger connected with the God is spiritual, and compassion connected to the material world for example financially. Undoubtedly that the compassion high quality and destructions Arjuna SP is made comments as follows - " only by such person is worthy to receive spiritual knowledge ", i.e. such destructions Arjuna they are characteristic for all devotees, as devotee the compassions are executed. But for devotees as is characteristic and to work under the instruction of the God. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif But it any more financially, is a level spiritual, it is a level of SPIRITUAL emotions. From the point of view of the material world anything except for angers Arjuna in this fight did not test. It is possible on this occasion to result an example of king David and Magomed as. Clearly that we speak not about battle as such, and about a principle.
It did not begin spiritual life, it is top of spiritual life.
It is possible to take as an example gopis. Actually that was religious in their actions if to look at it only from the external point of view, but it is only spiritual activity, again. Therefore if the person in maya, to her advise to develop gradually what to leave from illusion, but if who can accept that management directly - " the one who faithfully serves to me, I give understanding ", that do not have necessity to follow all to rest.
Clearly that devotee in spite of the fact that they have accepted a management of the God, nevertheless follow also all to rest down to complete perfection. The nature of fidelity is those. But basically gradual process is necessary for the sermon, it is not necessary for devoted service. " sarva dharma parityaja " Krisna in general speaks to leave all others dharmas, "sarva" - all. Not that that does not need, in general to be left. It and is a final result and Arjuna has reached it, having realized that Krisna the God and simply having accepted a management Krisna.
SP worked in precisely the same way. He simply has enabled directly to be betraid to the God, as there is a ultimate goal of all religion. He did not care of roundabout ways, though certainly all nuances on this account are described. What for cares of roundabout ways if them both so is much and as in KC they arose, arise continuously and will arise always. If is main, all minor as will be present, there is no necessity as that it to initiate.
In KC everyone progress, as KC is absolute. Simply when we begin to be engaged in minor things, we accordingly are covered with illusion. The largest illusion it to think that are at top. An especially various sort brahmans are very guilty by it. Having developed this or that relative vision, they why begin that to think that have understood essence only. It is the fact, it is not concrete, it everywhere. Leaning on only external things, we want to understand that is at all in external vision. What to speak about our absolutely not reasonable habit absolute own experience.
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SBST this embodiment mercy the Lord Caitanya and as He has described sambandha Krisna lila. Everything, that there is in many places it simply reception mercy the Lord Caitanya and after sambandha Krisna lila. SBT has described all internal energy, He as preached and preaches numerous babajis, which except for the direct relations anything to understand both do not want and can not probably. Also it is all completely authoritative statement of a science KC.
If SP has not come, all so and remained. " Lord Caitanya gives mercy for sambandha Krisna lila ". Sambandha Krisna lila was and at SBT. All babajis only in it also were engaged. Actually all their philosophy is based on sastra Gosvamis. Can be among them not was sadhu? Can be among them not was svarupa itself of the persons? But reading a history of that time of such impression that that does not arise. But first - they almost did not preach. And second that by all this places has accepted already material the form.
Therefore SBT began this sermon, and SBST has established sambandha for all already. And SP preaches maximum emotions. Among all emotions of internal energy He describes maximum emotions, and the direct relations does not concern in general, because in these relations with the God them IN GENERAL "are not present". Therefore He also spoke that there is no necessity in anything more. Certainly, materialists think that He wanted probably himself to allocate. Therefore for me for example all rest, except for the books SP is not urgent.
From the point of view of the sermon and general sight on spiritual life all books are good, but for most esoteric of fidelity they as a matter of fact are not urgent. Everything, that was necessary from them, is already submitted. And it not that is also other arguments on this theme. I simply state the position, not in a counterbalance of positions others though to have the position, as a rule, this or that opposition it will turn out, well and God with it, can be and it is necessary.
At SP the special books. Leaning on His books it is possible to reach all. All most important references He has given as. Essence that when we simply restore THE relations, it is all by it very long. But if we follow the instruction guru, the relation will be shown without problems. For example when Arjuna battled, he has reached all. He you see battled, as he has reached top with what that by war. BY WAR! Remembering that I live for the present age - we do not call for war.
- Were at war on the instruction of the God it is possible to reach all.
- Doing clay plate from banana under the instruction of the God, it is possible to reach all.
It also is essence of fidelity. It not karma yoga. For example clay plate from banana it is possible to mould
- On karma. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
- At a level gyana
- At a level dhyana
- At a level of principles of devoted service
But they can be moulded and in KC. Therefore if we can accept the direct instructions of the God or guru, we as can be instantly lifted on a level KC. In this case all knowledge, renunciation, still that will come natural by an image.
If we can not accept such instructions, and more correctly we do not want, then gradual process inures.
The different schoolboys can have different bents and SP writes in this connection that the spiritual teacher is skilled what to occupy the schoolboy in according with his bents. For example Narada Muny did not begin to give brahman of the instructions Dhruva knowing that they it do not approach.
Still moment is, that frequently we simply simulate what that of quality. We learn(find out) that should be and later simply we try to simulate it. Or working on quite material motives, we think that they are spiritual. But spiritual motive only one this following for guru-sastra, by the way SASTRA makes the centre of such following. Such following has one distinctive feature - it absolute. If we follow under such management all finds absolute character and in this sense any external displays become secondary. In such following as all other situations of spiritual life are shown and them there is no necessity to be engaged in a separate image. The god is absolute also all that is connected to the god absolute as.
For example if we want to serve thus, problems with guru will not be, the God will direct us in a correct direction. The god therefore He also speaks Arjuna - " you simply should work under my management. " Everything, is the complete instruction. All rest - knowledge, renunciation, spiritual body, relation and so on go from this. It not the theory, is the description of practice of devoted service. And this moment SP explains in the books everywhere as. It also is devoted service.
Therefore if who that follows to a greater or lesser extent such ways, and others estimate such activity as material, it is a mistake. In first they do not understand BG, in second they are not connected enough to the God, therefore have material vision. SP writes that all sambhoga is intended for neophits and as does not give the instructions it to follow. There is a question why. Because He occupies the schoolboys in activity of higher order. Therefore everyone, who follows in the steps SP and His schoolboys, are engaged in activity of the maximum order, therefore for them at all there is no question about svarupa for example and so on. All this is shown by a natural image or somewhat it is not urgent about what I wrote in previous clause. Therefore SP also spoke that there is no special necessity to address to sastra previous acaryas. Moreover, He has told that NOBODY will jump over Him in this question. And all installed shuddered when He spoke it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Who that follows for SP from for sentiments. Who that follows for SP for other reasons, but who that possesses experience of following for SP and taste to His books. From the point of view of the cultural sermon and religious of a brotherhood, certainly, we should work very correctly. But from the point of view sastra, spiritual taste and instructions of the spiritual teacher it is better to follow for SP. Moreover, everyone, who will be is in ISKCON further as will follow it(him), and it not simply what that blind following, is not present all spiritual relations will be shown thus, in general everyone will follow for SP, it is simple a matter of time. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I answer why.
- Because SP this embodiment by all Pancatattva and maximum mood of internal energy
- Because the books SP it also are a source everything, it is the code of spiritual life and prime target
All rest will leave to babajis for India. Actually part of the sermon GM is the sermon babajis. That the soul does not fall, that it is necessary to establish the relation and so on. The part it was introduced after a leaving SBST. At babajis all their sermon is well developed. They in general lean only on Gosvamis. As to the relations that I do not think that who can surpass that of some of their leaders.
Why neither SBT, nor SBST, SP did not try to begin among them? You see the schoolboys SBST it were the simple usual inhabitants of India? And the schoolboys SP it were not the best people of west? Why SBST and SP assigned the hopes on what that of the usual inhabitants not having paid attention of a various sort panditas and rasika bhaktas?
BECAUSE THEY BE UNABLE TO FOLLOW the INSTRUCTIONS.
BECAUSE SO-CALLED "QUALIFICATION" HAS NO IMPORTANCE.
Very simply. Frequently so-called "qualification" it is simple an obstacle in devoted service differently how you explain all this? SP in general has gone on west because the qualification of SOME schoolboys SBST already interfered with spiritual life. Compare hippis and by then more less like the qualified schoolboys SBST, who is more qualified? Who follows, that and is qualified. Others are unsuitable - brahmans they, they have realized svarupa, have not realized, it is very simple.
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From the point of view of the sermon and general sight on spiritual life all books are good, but for most fidelity they as a matter of fact are not urgent. Uttama adhikari it will be simple to sob, reading the direct descriptions and it as one reason why many uttama adhikari never went in a wood Vrndavana. Because it in the certain sense is intolerable for them. Neither in this world nor in the friend there is nothing deeper. Undoubtedly that the description of this mood, as prays Srinivasacarya is the highest and purest poetry.
Gosvamis very clearly have stated all science KC. And as manjaris or spiritual children as, they came in a wood Vrndavana and searched there Radha-Krisna. As their essence is innocent in a maximum degree, they and searched for them there. " Where Radha, where Krisna, where you? "
All others uttama devotees, did not try at all enter there, not because they are unworthy, that is why that simply thinking about about it, they already more move could not. Therefore only Gosvamis could enter there and thus probably to see as far as these relations are pure.
Therefore anybody does not try at all to explain the in detail similar moments, because if the person already has refused to follow and thinks out that that to explain it(her) is useless. Or if we in general in complete maya, as it to explain.
Therefore SP writes - " do not try to understand jugala piriti, madhurya relations, it is not possible so simply. Do not think that simply meditating, you will reach Krisna ". " Do not do vain efforts ". " Do not try to jump over Me ". And those who follows His instructions, by it truly everyone will receive.
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Prahlada maharaja take poison it gyana?
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The lack of reason pushes us to accept always only something one. It is a little the circuits however -
- Either religion or material life
- Or all religions to the God conduct or one only
- Inside religion - there is accordingly only one guru true or all
- In philosophy - all what not sattva, is tama guna
- Either to accept demigids or to reject all of them what long to think it would be not necessary
- Or varnasrama or the love (certainly varnasrama with love that in any way is not connected )
- Only Radha or only Krisna (therefore Lord Caitanya has united for us /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif )
- Only sraddha, only knowledge
As to "only".
Only Krisna. I can not understand, manjari reflect mood Radharani, they reflect her love to Krisna, it is expansion Srimati Radharani therefore about what they think as soon as not of the God? A part gopi are adhered to Krisna, part to Radha and part to Radha-Krisna, but even those who is adhered to Radharani, they you see expansion, think "expansion" means expansion. They expansion of love Radharani to Krisna, they help to her, reflecting HER mood. Or I stupid such.
The spiritual life has gradation.
- Knowledge of the material world
- Knowledge about demigods
- Spiritual knowledge about Vaikuntha and various expansion of the God
- Knowledge about Goloka
- Knowledge or understanding 4 races
- madhurya race as maximum mood Goloka Vrindavana
- In madhurya to race the direct relations
- Among the direct relations and happiness (sambhoga) mood manjari, which as "not too hasten" in the personal relations, receive the greatest access from all.
Comment - they do not try at all to establish the relation, as only serve without any relations. It seems that it does not approach us. To serve? Without the relations? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
And even above there is a mood, this mood just and has brought Lord Caitanya. If we selecte mood Srimati Radharani, just Siksastaka and describes it. This maximum mood Lord Caitanya therefore is more than anything and did not speak. It is a complete result, final ending, is higher than it anything is not present. This description of a maximum point prema bhakti. THIS mood Gosvamis. Gosvamis have described everything, all listed items, but they were in THIS mood. SBT has described all empire of internal energy, but he was basically in THIS mood. Srila Madhavendra Puri left a body in THIS mood. All companions the Lord Caitanya were in this mood and He as has strengthened it, having left many companions.
By him who is even not clear in the best situation among the companions the Lord Caitanya, those who beside or at all and is not present. And has recollected - " even great authorities the Lord Caitanya could not determine or find gradation in devotees. "
It if to speak about highest, all rest as is favorable.
The sermon of the direct relations is favorable, there is only one "but" is not most maximum. If who speaks that about maximum, it not most maximum and SBT confirms it as.
Therefore once again - only Krisna, because in separation from the God everyone think only of him.
- Is impersonal variant of worship one God
- There is a worship the God in sakhya to race for example
- Also there is a worship the God in separation.
The friends, you see are different things.
Whether is present thus Srimati Radharani? She also is present at the maximum mood. Mahabhava. In such devoted service there are no obstacles. Lord Caitanya "thinks" Krisna lila, but He "has left" therefrom what to test this mood is boundless.
In this sense Radharani is not present, because she was embodied in all in this case. We can serve Lord Caitanya, but His mood so strongly is real, that Radharani simply "is not present". Everywhere only - " Krisna, Krisna, Krisna... " This mood Radharani, in this case. There are no jokes, there is no meeting - separation, there are no many orders, there are no all these divisions. Lord Caitanya listened to all descriptions, but it is necessary to understand His mood. He as nothing described, because all this is useless in this case. And SP much does not describe, because in it there is no necessity. Sastra is established on a prime target about what He and spoke all.
" Only sraddha in the spiritual teacher.. " /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Whether when SBST have asked is He gopi, He has told "yes" and smiled thus. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Why He smiled, with it because He did not work in this mood, this mood is, but it not so is important. Too most and SP did not speak on such themes.
The example of such emotion is completely not casually given in CC where is stated and Siksastaka - the husband one women have damned that he will die on восходе or call of the sun, but his wife was so is adhered to the husband, that has told - " the Sun rise now never ". An example of such fidelity. Lord Iesus speaks - " would have though a few fidelities would tell to a mountain to move, she and has moved ".
It uttama fidelity, the person sees all above itself. Nevertheless she(it) can fall on a level madhyama what to preach. At such emotions all actions become very strong, because the fidelity is incredibly strong.
This maximum display madhurya of race, therefore to them in this case is written - " by(with) your relations will be shown natural by an image ". Moreover, all those who not in madhurya to race, can rise on this level. The relation as a matter of fact not культивируются, because the emotion is so strong, that the relation will be shown. Therefore SP nothing writes on this theme, as as far as I have understood in it there is no necessity.
Though the direct fidelity as IS FAVORABLE, nevertheless on my sight there are such nuances. And as SP I have told - " has given you all ", therefore all and is present. The CK it also is Radharani only in the certain mood. This maximum mood and for example " jaya Radhe! " It is race bhasa for THIS mood. " jaya Radhe! " This mood sambhoga, this reference to internal energy, display of her spiritual power.
It is possible, that having realized greatness the Lord Nityananda, the person passes in a category of internal energy, it is quite possible. Probably it is possible to tell that this further spiritual development, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif really is very similar. But it SP at once addresses to maximum displays of internal energy, all power is present, even greater power\blessings\emotion is present, only at other form. Thus it is obvious that if to search for maximum, maximum and is submitted.
The rise, nevertheless following in the steps sat guru is certainly necessary, this rise in due course accepts other form, it not bajana for achievement sambhoga, it is eternal bajana. From the point of view Krisna lila, the separation anticipates meeting, but in Gaura lila the separation is eternal emotion.
Now it is necessary to understand others what for are necessary sastra. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif it also is a statement of all science СК. Vipralambha-bhava as comprises elements sambhoga. As the direct relations are a STAGE in development СК. On the other hand products Gosvamis for example they can be perceived from a different level, therefore better perceive them through vision sat guru what to reach a prime target (if who that aspires to a prime target).
Srila Madhavendra Puri is therefore basis by all parampara. He has shown first this maximum mood. All science for us, for materialists later was stated, but Lord Caitanya eternally is in The mood. At first He teaches, He is adhered to devotees, He jokes with Kolaveca Sridhara, will spend kirtana in the house Srivasa Pandita. Then He leaves Navadvipa and preaches. He breaks all mayavadi-sunyavadi during The sermon. He sings also bears - monkey - trees sing together with Him. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif But then He leaves in Jaganatha Puri and is completely immersed in spiritual emotions.
With Him internal the energy does not accompany Him, HE is an embodiment of all internal energy. ALL! Becomes an embodiment of internal energy. Ramananda ray, Sikhi Mahiti, Srivasa Pandit, Gadadhara Pandit, Lord Mahavisnu, Lord Siva as Advaita Acarya, Goddess Satyabhama, all gopis, all manjaris, boys, Lord Brahma, Prahlada Maharaja - ALL! Come in these games. The goddess Satyabhama describes parakiya race. On Vaikuntha is not present parakiya of race. Therefore ALL! Rise on a level parakiya of race, moreover on a maximum step of this race.
Therefore in this sense everyone work as manjaris, everyone, who follows in the steps the Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya and His devotees preach a science СК and Lord Caitanya generously distributes blessings. At first devotee becomes devotee the Lord Caitanya, worshipping guru and Gauranga. Then devotee receives blessings Krisna and then guru conducts him further away.
To follow in the steps the Lord Caitanya of obstacles is not present. By it thus Lord Caitanya distributes love to the God, not doing any distinctions. In CC even the unreasonable child is spoken what, can understand a science СК in a statement the Lord Caitanya.
Or devotee reaches Krisna lila and further can understand Gaura lila. Or devotee is in mood Gaura lila and ambassador can find svarupa Krisna lila, devotee as can simply on blessing the Lord Caitanya simply reach Krisna lila, it is forbidden? Is not. All is free.
In general if to begin to understand in svarupa acarya, the head around will go, because bhagavata acarya He represents actually all moods, He shelter of all races. Actually SP reflects so much qualities, that it is very inconvenient to understand Him. There is a book Bhagavatam, there is a person Bhagavatam.
Therefore it is quite possible to speak on any spiritual themes, only they should simply not displace accents, it you see not in harm to us will be, it on the contrary only can strengthen spiritual feelings. If we aspire to this.
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**I am thinking, Kailashji, that you are meaning at least when you have said minimum. Correct?
Yes.
On anither am read late, exuse i am not understand now.
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I am may be take ofenses. vanca kalpata rubhys ca...
May be Lord Krisna take her in spiritual sky, in minimum paradise i am sure.
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The sacred name is food, vital air, shelter, intellectual activity and patience.
The sacred name is all expansion of the God and all kinds energy of the God.
The sacred name is higher than light brahman and it above than situation of supersoul.
The sacred name is the person and the sacred name conducts everyone in spiritual life.
The books about the Person of the God it as a sacred name.
The books Srila Prabhupada are vital air.
All other books arise from the books Srila Prabhupada.
The books Srila Prabhupada open to us all. But among set of kinds of spiritual life one mood, is only in the books Srila Prabhupada.
This mood is at Gosvamis, but there it is expressed in several verses.
This mood is at Srila Bhaktivinoda and we quite can follow it.
But in the books Srila Prabhupada this mood is expressed completely. It appears at us as total expansion prema bhakti. This prema bhakti is completely pure, in her is not present already no impurity of other moods.
Near to this mood his mighty servants - perfect knowledge and true renunciation stand.
The mood Srila Prabhupada is like boundless the sky. As is the top by all prema bhakti, therefore those who badly understands spiritual life, think that it financially. Spiritual tree is reflected in reservoir of the material world and those who is not too reasonable, think that top prema bhakti this beginning of spiritual life.
Mood Srila Prabhupada similarly to the boundless sky and only materialists can compare this sky with brahman.
This boundless sky is simple a part Goloka, as we be not capable to capture by a sight all planet.
The books Srila Prabhupada are the spiritual world. The books Srila Prabhupada are a planet ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada has arrived on her and already has left in other place, therefore all again were late. Now on this planet almost anybody is not present, because all sanyasys and sadhu have left after Prabhupada. But for everyone arrived there is a plate with prasad. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Having accepted prasada, everyone can think that he wants further.
We can enter the spiritual world in his any place. Your purpose is achieved, you are free.
Certainly we need to return to the spiritual world, we not nitya siddha, we can not remain in the material world life behind life, it is dangerous to us. But as to me to leave devotees ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada? I am attracted with it more, than direct dialogue with the God. Let me even to observe of this phenomenal by the sermon. I do not look on Goloka, I look in the material world, seeing as Goloka Vrindavana begins to be developed in material installed. This lotous slowly is opened. At the centre it lotous are Sri Sri Radha-Krisna. Kirtan the Lord Caitanya open such miracles. Similarly to gold lightning, Lord Caitanya appeals to to the sky.
Lord Caitanya it Radha. Lord Caitanya it Krisna. But why me so pulls after Srila Prabhupada? I endow the clearing to the first passer, can take away it(him). I endow as all knowledge and renunciation, because I want to study at Srila Prabhupada. I endow as all three types of the relations with the God, because Srila Prabhupada will learn me even greater. But I as do not aspire will come nearer to Srila Prabhupada because nevertheless I understand that is not qualified to serve to Him. To serve Srila Prabhupada it is more difficult, than simply to establish the relation with the God! It is possible by and large to establish the relation. But I feel strong anxiety, when I think that should serve Prabhupada. In a mouth all dries up, when I think what if Prabhupada will give back the order, how I can execute it? I look back on devotees which me surround. The clearing seems to such easy, in comparison with desires Prabhupada. His desire to serve is boundless, Him plans you are those, that will forget simply that such a material duality, it Will forget.
What can be in it attractive? How there can be attractively that Srila Prabhupada immerses you in a hopelessness? As can be attractively complete wreck everything, on a background of the plans Srila Prabhupada? Therefore I do not try at all to come nearer to Him, Prabhupada will give everything, but I am not qualified. I serve the spiritual teacher has some and sometimes I think only, how He could charge himself with this cargo? To serve Prabhupada it all the same that there is sharp sweetness - is very sharp, but you not can stop.
One of the schoolboys Srila Prabhupada has thrown on me the sight and His fidelity Prabhupada was printed on me. It not my fidelity, is fidelity mine guru. This fidelity is so strong, that the most part of my material life has stopped. I was not going it to do, I and now not against to live by material life, but taste was not present, all taste is destroyed. And all my attempts to live by spiritual life as are destroyed, everyone go upwards, but I go downwards.
Therefore if you want to destroy the spiritual life, it what I can to you serve, if who that wants. You will test vipralambha, but you should be very strong. If we simply have no place more to get to, only then we shall test her. Prabhupada will ship you in ocean of despair and then will give on time to emerge, what you would breathe slightly. But then, later, you and learn to move at this ocean slightly.
There are many spiritual moods, but there are moods, to which we can be learned very much by few. This a plant of fidelity grows, moving from a planet to a planet upwards, yet reaches Goloka Vrindavana. That also is possible in what degrees to overtake it transcendental a nature. The essence of this mood is shining Radha and Krisna. But if it the mood begins to be increased, if it becomes immense and gets most the form, then this lotus begins to be dismissed directly here. And in this case essence all becomes Goloka Vrindavana, and the external frame becomes Vaikuntha. Srila Prabhupada wants varnasram, but it is trivialities, it is not difficult. Srila Prabhupada would want that this planet became Vaikuntha, sending all components.
I not the schoolboy Srila Prabhupada. I am quite happy prasad, some dialogue and recurrence sacred name. I simply have put on the ship floating past devotees.
Devotees and so everyone everyone know also do without whose that of silly advice. Nevertheless, what me to be in general completely quiet, I simply has informed about one of desires Srila Prabhupada. I the simply casual messenger, am difficult to present me, that I have to this what that relation directly. Nevertheless Srila Prabhupada and mine guru are so remarkable, that I am ready as to execute this order. Simply my conscience disturbs me, that I carry in myself it. You tell to me that have accepted this mission and there can be I shall continue the life spiritual.
I think that all already and so all this do, it is doubtless. I simply have informed with you the happiness and misfortune. I am happy blessings mine guru, but I am executed burning, seeing what mission is on Him. I want to distribute by ALL a part of these problems. If who that wants to tell that their races will make this planet Vaikuntha, personally I not I see it, I do not see it, it not those races in any case. Therefore I test anxiety. We have made one temple can be as Vaikuntha also we think as far as we are great, now it is necessary to make all other, all other billions houses should become temples Vaikuntha. The God would be not necessary that did it for you, it should be done BY YOU!! I should it do as, but I am removed, I absolutely not devotee.
Therefore reflecting above each detail of devoted service Srila Prabhupada, the person easily will reach a stage vipralambha. I shall enjoy "race" now, now I shall enjoy to it in complete calmness. Can formally establish in each house on a deity or can tell by all and everyone as far as is remarkable spiritual life, this your business. I can tell only one opinion - without Prabhupada to them at the best pair the man achieve of clearing, Srila Prabhupada writes - " some reach even Dvaraka ". Please all result is already described.
In any case personally I want participate in mission Srila Prabhupada, I see true only in it. I had one anxiety on this account, now problems is not present, I hope that devotees are similar to trees of desires. It is not necessary to fuss, the time at you has enough. If you really want spiritual life, then accept this order, accept this responsibility.
Therefore it is my request to everything, well, my restrained request - please, accept this responsibility, there is nobody more, who could it make. Look all others are engaged in material life, arranging the important businesses, important destiny, remarkable families, and in such spirit. Only YOU are able to do it.
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I want to inform some ideas on the sermon.
Now especially in western society (that far it not all world by the way and at all half of world), is a lot of a various sort of ideas as a matter of fact wrong or at the best about social. So, some thus think -
- " Our such sermon is not popular in a society, let's change the books or let's instead of the books Prabhupada to distribute something another - " popular " and so on.
- " Krisna is so attractive, the small compromise, that compromise, this compromise " (familiar idea) is necessary ONLY
- " It is necessary to push by all material methods, as it is our soul and life. ":)))
That occurs further. There is further following, we begin to attract those whom the spiritual life and does not interest as a matter of fact. Them it is simple does not interest, but by and large, on this or that compromise who that has come. And here most interesting begins, I am simply poured poisonous laughter. Having resulted thus of people, problem as is spoken, begin from different directions. Well I shall agree that many problems SHOULD be decided(solved), I agree, but nevertheless much that then begin to offer, actually IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO DECIDE(SOLVE).
Those or other problems of the attitudes, envy, culture and so on are simply unsoluble in the certain sense. Certainly, ISKCON searches and finds an exit, such as sankirtana, yes, this good decision. Nevertheless it seems that sometimes there is no sense simply too to rely on image, as concerns the books Srila Prabhupada. The books Srila Prabhupada are a reality, it not what that the temporary social laws. As soon as who will understand that though the books slightly Srila Prabhupada, he immediately will understand as far as he is silly or will find maximum taste. But the present fools think that they understand more than Prabhupada in spiritual life. Simply they should WORK under the books Srila Prabhupada, instead of to change them. They simply most likely DO NOT WORK under these books, and answer. Certainly, as far as it is easier to make certain pair of rules of books and then " to live under these books ". They if where that in States have some people (I do not know, but for example) and God you with it, main to work in according with the instructions and then all it will be good. In the other case these reactions will fall indefinitely on a head by him, and that most important and another as. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif(
Certainly, not all so is simple, I quite agree. But it seems that what to avoid many problems and as what TO REACH the spiritual purposes, better simply to follow for siksa Srila Prabhupada and ours guru directly. Everything, that is authorized, it and IS AUTHORIZED, and that is not authorized, IS NOT AUTHORIZED. What mean these mysterious words? It means that if we want that that to authorize, we or become karmi, if we already now not they, or we simply shall disappear in spiritual sense, that one and too.
Actually sermon Prabhupada - most effective sermon. His style is the most effective style. All rest - various sort the compromises WILL BE NOT EFFECTIVE simply. Even if we want spiritual result (not a sin), other image of actions will not be simply effective. Clearly that there are many opinions on this theme, probably how many exists installed, it is so much above this question all and think. All spiritual world is surprised, looking on men of the material world! Them offer eternal life and all there in the additives and free-of-charge, but we prefer to decay in this hole, thinking thus is " and whether well it, spiritual life? " But it is a separate, fruitful and inspiring theme.
Thus there are many opinions and many ways of actions in the sermon. Is tehno methods, there are methods of complete liberalism, there are methods improbable! The expansion through " sat guru ", are the mixed variants, there are total variants, there are variants of complete self-elimination, on any taste and guna, as is spoken. Essence that that liberal methods, for example, they you see so at a level tamas also remain, I am ready it to discuss, but them(him,it) where examples that? As by places it liberally that also does not look and to look and the screen - yes, but no more that can not actually, as. I shall not describe others, but all this that that like previous.
Undoubtedly that Srila Prabhupada has lifted everything, it is doubtless, He has lifted from an empty place actually hundreds thousands of the people in west. Who speaks that about pure devotee, whether they understand in general what in it? Srila Prabhupada has explained can be slightly direct, but is clean, and Srila Prabhupada simply HAS OCCUPIED all in devoted service. At him with it also was not the purposes such to arrange that that another. Srila Prabhupada has occupied all by a spiritual image that by him and is described in the books, as a part of His books.
Who in general in this cocktail of material monotony is interested in spiritual life, it is units and units of the people. Therefore those who should be or to become devotee, they by them and become and as the part not of the demonic persons too will be attracted, if simply more to state both philosophy and concept less clean. It also will have real force. What sense what us who that accepts? Today accept, tomorrow do not accept. To tell the truth I simply practically do not see with what in it sense, you see it is all very much unreliably? Us "will accept" all and completely, if we simply become completely dear karmis, and in this case we there are not necessary, there and so already suffices.
The spiritual life grows, if all of us, that to us comes, uses again on purpose. We ""use" in my understanding means we work in according with BG. The ways of the God are inscrutable, how it is possible to work basing on the material concepts?
Thus if we preach true or absolute true and as clearly we speak about the purposes, it will seems of problems smaller. If to speak in general about all in spiritual life, what at us the purpose? Yes there is at us no purpose as a matter of fact - today kirtanam, tomorrow kirtanam and the day after tomorrow kirtanam. What actually occurs at sadhu in paradise? It there also occurs. They do not stop, because it has taste. But if taste of food we can not test continuously, taste holy of a name, we can test CONTINUOUSLY. Therefore think, if what that can be tested continuously, who will refuse it?
Therefore what we want? The spiritual life it also is sravanam-kirtanam. It is easy, yes it is easy. There can be it uneasily? Yes, IT IS UNEASY. IT HAPPENS UNEASILY and everyone can know about it. It happens uneasily so, that is necessary to be as a tree and straw. Sometimes to stand as a tree, but sometimes to be as straw.
So we in ISKCON, or in my concept ISKCON have only TWO roles. First is to be a tree. And second is to be straw. Krisna it is the God of the Gods, He is attractive as hundred thousand cupids, but YOU!!! - will be a tree. Or straw. If you to be disagree by a tree, you means were mistaken.
We as will not have also taste. Lord Caitanya does not test taste, how you will test it? Lord Caitanya - GOD! Speaks - " at me there is no taste ", how it can be at us?
So at us you can be a tree or straw and as you do not receive from us any taste, this second. And third it that anything except for sravanam-kirtanam at us is not present. You receive first initiation, you receive second, and most likely second you and do not receive in ISKCON, but what actually will take place? And nothing will take place, there will be all same sravanam-kirtanam, sravanam-kirtanam. It seems that everything, it is necessary simply to inform, the people it is simple not informed about ISKCON, they search here for what at us by it simply is not present. We DO NOT HAVE any material taste. And at the end of process of training you simply become as a tree. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif:) I already as a tree became, can argue.
We are even not qualified! Look! in other organizations anybody even also does not fall! you represent, ISKCON it probably UNIQUE organization, where there are such disgraces. What for to you to contact to us, go in any other church. In ISKCON there can be only those who as a tree and straw, but what tree that will turn out!! It will be exact a tree the Lord Caitanya!
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All these "races" - the people with different speed only runs from everywhere, from whom is faster from whom more slowly, runs up. Whom have lined(shot down), that more slowly runs, is noticed. It not bad, because the on maya they less will run, the and it is better.
If we want MAYA in spiritual life to arrange, MAYA she in MAYA is even better, in svarupa as is spoken. In spiritual life it is very difficult maya to arrange. The God accepts ALL, only it is necessary to understand THAT spiritual life IN GENERAL means, they would esteem BG that. Whether that vain that Arjuna all that of the relatives that that. You think that it simply so, whether from there is nothing to do that Krisna has arranged. So - the material life IS EVEN WORSE than this fight, in millions time it is worse, therefore what to get out from here, therefore and it is necessary to be more patient than a tree. Well, for this purpose what to develop PREMA BHAKTI*, it is necessary to be more patient than a tree and thus also the grasss in addition are more restrained. It not allegory, it and is, at us A LITTLE THAT WILL TURN OUT if we to become disagree more patiently than tree. At us ANYTHING as a matter of fact will fail, I assure you. But if we do not want to be deceived to some extent, go by IT!! By a way, go by this NARROW way.
*PREMA BHAKTI - pure love to the God.
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From lecture -
" Somehow we have departed from that Supreme Lord, the ocean of rasa and ananda, who is ananda Himself, and now we are entangled in illusory maya. Ma - Ya. We are seeing that which is not actually a fact to be a fact. Whatever we see or feel by our sensory perception is maya. "
By and large we already HAVE LEFT from the Krsna.
From lecture -
" When we first departed from Krsna, when we first forgot Him, maya came at once and attacked us. She defeated us and put us in her jail. What is that jail? It is this body and mind. Actually there are two jails, one within the other. This gross body is the outer jail and the subtle body is the inner jail. We have been suffering and fearing since time immemorial, and we are never free from that. "
At first we HAVE FORGOTTEN Krsna and then maya attacked us. All already we not from Mahavisnu have appeared?
From lecture -
" If you are practicing but not preaching, you are selfish. Do not be weak. Preach. "
Preach. Trust in guru what to not leave from mind(wit), the philosophy varies. Only matajis all the same - them guru "best", and all them philosophy.
Eventually this site with fall have split, eventually all sastra speaks about fall. From the same lecture -
[ " Fear arises when a living entity misidentifies himself as the material body because of absorption in the external, illusory energy of the Lord. When the living entity thus turns away from the Supreme Lord, he also forgets his own constitutional position as a servant of the Lord. This bewildering, fearful condition is effected by the potency for illusion, called maya. Therefore, an intelligent person should engage unflinchingly in the unalloyed devotional service of the Lord, under the guidance of a bona fide spiritual master, whom he should accept as his worshipable deity and as his very life and soul. " (Srimad Bhagavatam 11.2.37)]
It is one more verse from SB.
From lecture -
" By the association of pure Vaisnavas, you can have a very pure guru - not an imitation guru or a kan-guru, but a sad-guru. If we take shelter in his lotus feet, he will take full charge of our lives. He will take all kinds of responsibility for our lives, and he will teach how to do bhajana of Krsna. "
"Western devotee can not understand subtleties of spiritual life":(, Therefore for the beginning it is necessary to establish a general purposes as Radha-Krisna and then, to proceed to details.
From lecture -
" Tan abhajet. Tan means the Supreme Lord, Krsna. "
All sastra speaks about it. We serve Krsna in mood Radha, it is the sermon the Lord Caitanya. And service to Radha it sambhoga Krsna lila, this first difference. The second difference that we follow in the steps the Lord Caitanya in His mood. We do not follow mood sambhoga as prime targets.
From lecture -
"To give the happiness of direct service to Radha-Krsna Yugala is the mission of Srimad Bhagavatam, Sri Narada Rsi, Srila Sukadeva Gosvami, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, our guru-varga, and especially, in Western countries, Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja .... "
NO.
Srila Prabhupada -
"So Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s teaching is that vipralambha-seva. By His practical life. "
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura confirm it, Srila Madhavendra Puri, Srila Narottama dasa Thakura, Srila Gaurakisora dasa babaji, Srila Prabhupada, Srila Rupa Gosvami, Srinivasacarya and many others. It is our guru-varga.
Srila Prabhupada -
"Lord Caitanya is undoubtedly Krsna Himself, and He is always nondifferent from Srimati Radharani. But the emotion technically called vipralambha-bhava..."
Srila Prabhupada -
"There is no difference between thinking of Krsna and associating with Him. Rather, vipralambha-sevд, thinking of Krsna in separation, as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu did, is far better than serving Krsna directly."
Srila Prabhupada -
"Lord Caitanya taught people in general the method of vipralambha-seva, which is the method of rendering service unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the feeling of separation. The six Gosvamis also taught worship of Krsna in the feeling of the gopis in separation. "
We follow in the steps Gosvamis Vrindavan. Srila Prabhupada teach especially INDIA. Srila Prabhupada preach top devotional servise, it is above SB, it is "above" Krisna lila.
Srila Prabhupada -
"Actually, the Caitanya-caritamrta is not intended for the novice, for it is the postgraduate study of spiritual knowledge. Ideally, one begins with the Bhagavad-gita and advances through Srimad-Bhagavatam to the Caitanya-caritamrta. Although all these great scriptures are on the same absolute level, for the sake of comparative study the Caitanya-caritamrta is considered to be on the highest platform."
At first devotee receives darsan Lord Caitanya. In them parampara all comes to an end on sambhoga Krisna lila. But in ours parampara we mount up to an equal situation between Krisna lila and Gaura Lila. Or devotee reaches top of pure fidelity in gaura lila. It confirm Rupa Goswami, SBT and SP.
THEREFORE FOR THOSE WHO ASPIRES TO SAMBHOGA KRISNA LILA, LORD CAITANYA IT ONLY INTERMEDIATE STAGE.
But actually Lord Caitanya it is top of spiritual emotions. It still large ananda.
Therefore most esoteric of a situation are not accessible without sat guru, without Srila Prabhupada and His true disciples.
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Only sat guru,
> uttama, can transfer sraddha from
> Heart in heart of the sincere schoolboy. It can not make madhyama
> And especially kanistha adhikari.
Madhyama adhikari is quite capable on it. Uttama adhikari at all does not preach according to sastra. Now all "uttama adhikari " it as a rule kanistha adhikari, i.e. those who only begins the devoted service. Somewhat and kanistha adhikari is capable to give such initiation.
> Without present sraddha everything, that makes devotee, will not be hereby
> bhakti.
Yes it is exact, one dream. As as a rule is not present even madhyama adhikari, therefore better to develop knowledge what to not lose time for empty dreams about sraddha. Developing sraddha and knowledge, the person gradually progresses, but doing sadhana, including on development sraddha, meditation, smaranam and so on, without the sermon such sadhana does not work, it is all remains at a level of mind or material sraddha.
Though externally it looks, as bhakti: recurrence japa,
> Study sastra, worship Deities, service guru, - actually
> It bhakti-abhas, similarity or reflection bhakti.
Yes it is possible so. Nevertheless if the sermon is present, all blessings can come and come on the fact.
What it means? It
> Means, that devoted will not progress: anartha, material
> The desires will not leave heart,
Completely correctly, therefore many organizations simply cancel principles, that the head would not be sick.
Heart will not be softened, will not appear
> Desires to find krisna-prema and the taste will not come ruci.
Very much frequently under a kind "prema" there is in view of simple one of the forms lust. All attributes prema are described in BG. If we base on Goswamis for example, our sermon will be filled by such words as "prema", "bhava" and so on and it will sound very much great. But if to open BG and to look her, from "prema" anything in such case remain, therefore it is better her to not open or to consider than that insignificant. So it is possible to become big big devotee.
he will be simple
> To satisfy the desires under covering of religion and eventually
> Will be disappointed, because the reflection bhakti, does not bring satisfaction
> Soul, just as is impossible to be sated, looking on reflection of food in
> Mirror.
Therefore such persons are engaged actively in politics, doing the rate that on one that on another being confused it is ever more and more. Having got confused thoroughly begins to be proclaimed only cult guru as decision from only.
> It is possible to add, that paramatric-sraddha it happens of two kinds: vaidhi and
> raganuga, which arise independently from each other and do(make) the man
> Capable to begin practice accordingly vaidhi and
> raganuga.
Sadhana bhakti passes in raganuga bhakti. If guru madhyama adhikari that he can initiate at once in raganuga bhakti that at all does not mean that will be the sermons sadhana. In madhurya kadambini is described as devotee gradually leaves sadhana. In sadhana there are 16 types of the relations with the God, sadhana it does not mean simply to rise in the morning. In the beginning devotee do of the relation with the God and in mature sadhana in due course they become spontaneous. In the beginning devotee with the help sadana remembers the spiritual nature and as can do spiritual emotions verifying them with sastra. But with of time it can accept a spontaneous nature. In what that cases devotee can "forget" spiritual nature, but it means that he works in a spiritual body. By and large such teach by it are poorly urgent.
Raganuga bhakti begins if devotee is executed of spiritual enthusiasm and not too caused. Not having knowledge devotee as will have set of problems that in sadhana, that in raganuga. According with Srila Narottama dT, at first devotee owes realize greatness the Lord Nityananda, without comprehension of greatness of the God, all "raganuga" is simply material emotions. Therefore guru represents Nityananda Prabhu till this His title "Prabhupada", that who gives to us darsan with the God, but madhyama-uttama adhikari gives us darsan at once with Caitanya Mahaprabhu, on what kanistha adhikari on are capable.
The attribute nistha is absence anarthas basic of which it is envy, absence of envy this beginning of spiritual life and only without envy the person can understand SB. Therefore formal reference to further sastra is not effective on words SP.
> I have described sraddha-tattva only in general. Here is much
> Of subtleties to learn which it is necessary in dialogue with sadhu.
And studying sastra, as sadhu is not self-sufficient authority. Guru, sadhu, sastra. Not guru-guru, it is a deceit.
That
> To make performance about a level of this or that grown-up vaisnava,
> Is better to address to help of the present madhyama-adhikari, to ask at
> It is even better to learn(find out) the spiritual brothers it vaisnava, and opinion most
> Grown-ups vaisnava on a planet.
Whether it on age what? I do not advise.
> In 1999. JBC honourly have recognized, that now in ISKCON
> Is not present uttama adhikari, therefore they have decided, that anybody from guru ISKCON not
> Should accept magnificent worship, arrange to itself Vyasa-puja etc.
> (truth nobody follows to this, similar, almost).
By him(it) only one ISKCON also realizes. That, where that speak what is uttama adhikari? Very interestingly. Narayana Svami it is doubtless by places works sober, therefore and speak that he kanistha-madhyama this completely exact definition, as he has told that any uttama are not present and Be can not, as it is obvious by everyone, who has though a little reason. It is necessary to search guru madhyama adhikari, as ONLY those who REALLY preaches, instead of are engaged in dragging of the schoolboys, can though in what that the degrees to be considered as madhyama-madhyama or madhyama-uttama.
> It is natural, that he will repeat not 16 circles and
> At all 25 or 32, and the minimum 64, as ordered to all followers
> Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
In CC the certain quantity " is spoken - ". Is not present not necessarily guru should repeat 64 circles, it is not criterion. At maximum stages guru in general can not repeat or repeat slightly, but this situation is not intended for the wide sermon. There are nine processes of devoted service and each of them self sufficient under the statement SP. The basic process it sravanam kirtanam. When basic exposed smaranam, it sahajiya.
Those who does not repeat 64 circles,
> SBST named patita. It
> The fact, what all of us patita, but how can patita the man be guru? Now
> Many speak: " But you see SP ordered to us to repeat 16
> Circles ". But actually he spoke " a minimum 16 ". 16 circles are
> A minimum established for neophits, kanistha-adhikari, that they could
> Though how to begin practice bhakti. But if devotee after thirty
> Of years continues to repeat all same unfortunate 16 circles, what it means?
> It means, that he does not progress, that he as was neophit, and
> Has remained.
Is not present it not correctly. Correctly, that 16 circles a minimum, are correct that those who does not repeat 64, patita. Nevertheless mechanical recurrence is less powerful, not offensive recurrence. Therefore better repeat can be and less, but better quality. If the recurrence is increased natural by an image that it is good, nevertheless quantity can not be the basic criterion, though it is doubtless, that the quantity can pass in quality. Therefore devotee do not neglect neither quantity nor quality, nevertheless it is not necessary speak that guru should to repeat 64 circles. It is much better to repeat 16 circles and pure preach.
How we can define(determine) the spiritual progress? On that,
> As far as our attachment to Krisna grows, and the Sacred Name is Itself
> Krisna, so, if there is no attachment to it(him), means, is not present any
> Attachment and to Krisna. In what the attachment to Sacred is expressed
> Name? That devoted can not cease it(him) to repeat. That there
> 16 circles - it(him) even lakh will be a little.
If who makes that of the insult devotees, advice kirtanam continuously is given to him.
Let's check up with itself
> Beginning. With what the practice bhakti begins? To accept
> Protection lotous stop a sat guru. If it to not make, about
> What result there can be a speech? All subsequent actions - even most
> The following sadhana - is strict will not bring desirable spiritual result.
Not offensive kirtanam does not depend from initiation. As guru can be submitted as caitya guru. To give manuals about a sacred name anyone can and later can begin to work madhyama adhikari as caitya guru or as direct guru. The set uttama adhikari as is submitted or there is also spiritual teacher initiates in parampara thus. Madhyama adhikari can work through kanistha adhikari as, in it there are no doubts. SP writes that devotee of a high level can use (occupy) anyone.
> We with you it is good we know: for five years in BBT we with you almost any
> mangala-arati have not passed and almost of any lecture, behind exception
> Silliest, but present taste and the truth has not appeared,?
sadhana it practik of fidelity to the God.
For this purpose he, first of all, should ACCEPT internal
> Ad > a spiritual management(manual), instead of external. You understand about what I speak!
Various sort sentiment are useless in spiritual life. Nobody can anything know leaning on sentiment.
But the caused soul is not capable to see and
> To hear caitya-guru in heart, therefore Krisna mercy comes to it(her)
> In an image of the alive instructor, pure devotee. About
> It is told right at the beginning CC. You in general recognize
> CC?
If guru madhyama-uttama adhikari, the actions caitya-guru occur is not dependent the schoolboy hears supersoul or does not hear.
If is not present sadhana,
> Means, there is in general no bhakti and will not be.
I join.
> Ad > About Harikesa Prabhu, I consider, that he honourly has made choice on
> Ad > to the relation to the spiritual life.
" If devotee leaves do not think that it is him last word ". Harikesa Svami.
It(he), can be to you it seems, that
> Ad > has departed from "parampara" and was lost, but I consider, that more
> Ad > ordinary and sober decision, he, for certain, more has advanced in
> Ad > the party of True, than those many, which prefer to live in illusion
> Ad > " of spiritual progress " и " of deep knowledge ", that
> Ad > most trying "to prove", that is deep преданы to ideals "
> Ad > парампары ".
It it is simple kill and all this was known beforehand. As we know who it has made.
> It is difficult to me to judge, as far as and where he has advanced, but Acarya speak,
> That guru, which marries the daughter (that is schoolgirl), is
> Embodiment Dhenukasura.
As far as sinful authorization gomosex than marry? You do not know by an embodiment that is the one who authorizes gomosex and as who is open recognizes what guru can be the homosexual? Not casually that by and large adjoining with such persons who that falls.
Actually husband is spiritual authority for the wife, in the other case there is no sense to marry.
> But if the truth is necessary to you, instead of the answer, Sacred sastra is simple
> Describe OBJECTIVE qualities, on which is possible to judge about person, in
> Volume number and about vaisnavs.
I join.
> If to speak about guru ISKCON (you have set a concrete direction), it is necessary
> To ask not at those who is dependent from them, i.e. in temple ISKCON and at
> Members ISKCON.
And if you want to learn about GM, go in ISKCON. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
> Personally I am sure, that in ISKCON is not present and there was no known to me
> uttama (the founder - Srila Swami Maharaja did not belong
> ISKCON).
??? He considered that GM does not exist as organization conceived SBST.
> And enthusiastic responses of the schoolboys about guru as about uttama vaisnava
> They are clear - are based on emotions and " party solidarity ".
Agree.
While
> The people (are unimportant, the schoolboy or guru) did not get rid from " party
> Accessories(belonging) " to speak about them spiritual it is possible only conditionally. Is those
> My opinion and I repeatedly emphasized it.
What difference, were outside of organization the person simply changes one opinion on precisely same standard but another. There can be who that hears year after year what that the standard sermon in organizations, nevertheless outside of organizations, the precisely same standard sermon goes year after year. Only in organization she by it frequently more both is objective and is connected to the God.
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So "chakra" was separated and now beginnings to speak what that the politics. It would be possible and to be delighted to such fact, nevertheless has appeared certain independent a "free" site. Nevertheless "freechakra" to print clauses against by her of ideas, refuses. To you and all freedom.
I for a long time already have written clause concerning "chakra" and similar, but all did not print it. Nevertheless has decided(solved) to publish, it concerns basically to a management "chakra".
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" I now read what that very much " sharp " late of a conference. Very much " sharp " problems lifts mataji. It is possible certainly whole clause to write in this occasion, but what as is spoken to specify this subject I shall allow myself the small remark, on my sight very much sober, probably all it already know.
SBST at all did not initiate woman and in general on vedas the woman, sudra are not suitable for spiritual life. SBST spoke that the women have stone hearts notwithstanding as they look and that speak. That that at the women (who itself those considers) there is no intelligence, it in general is well-known. Now in addition women are not protected as a matter of fact, though the women begin to dominate, that is by one of attributes kali yuga.
It does not mean that to the women badly concern. Why that the perfect girl so think sometimes. The man less sincere in spiritual life, it you see the fact. If for example I speak it about the men that of problems usually it does not happen. But woman it is usual anger, I do not speak about this forum, on this forum of the girl very remarkable.
In general if you when want to arrange anger, simply begin to discuss problems the man - woman, the effect as is spoken instant. Lord Caitanya considered the woman for half. If to the girl speak that she only half of person and she simply smiles, understanding that all this not so, all in the order. In the modern world of the women simply maintain, having put " equality" with the men. In a nature the woman to be engaged in a facilities(economy) and children, studying arts sitting at home not working (earlier it there was a large house with a facilities(economy), garden, three kinds of irons and so on).
If who that wants that that to tell in this occasion, the answer is very simple - offer to any woman enough money, products, the good house and complete absence work and personally seems to me that nobody will refuse from this instead of remarkable work for 8 hours.
Therefore what to protect of the girl and as what to not kindle lust in a society, there are certain spiritual principles. Paranja for example or sari. Sari it is a mix of western style and paranja, it seems that it is most acceptable. In any case if the husband in the mind(wit), I do not advise him to suppose up to such, that the wife would go in frank clothes, it is all will come on his head.
KC will prosper if CORRECTLY to adhere to this principle. About the women it is necessary cares, simply it would be not necessary that they strongly dominated, that's all.
In general I do not know that is discussed, but that I now read, it is what that of a triviality, childhood what that. What that the girl speaks what it is necessary to change the books Prabhupada? It to her is necessary to exchange, it will be both faster and easier and completely correspond to spirit of absolute true. This not ours bhava, that that to require. This mood Dvaraka ( Dvaraka? Dvaraka - chakra ), when the goddess Satyabhama has wanted a tree for a collection. Why Krisna loves more gopis, because they do not require trees, this is obvious.
In such approach sastra in general it is impossible to study. Even if her intelligence will be 150 units. If at the girl intelligence 150 units it can mean only one, she can be happy, if who will stop that her. "
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Undoubtedly that all of us depend on dialogue with the spiritual teacher. Undoubtedly that as a rule, is especial with years, there is no equal dialogue as. The equal dialogue does not suffice including as because equal to us is not present as a rule. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Sometimes we need support, simply to see guru, to receive darsan by and large, to feel that we are necessary and so on. The devoted service also is dialogue with the spiritual teacher, it is understandable that all this slightly is banal, nevertheless spiritual teacher is present at our devoted service.
Guru communicates with us in the form sacred sastra, schoolboys, senior devotee, other spiritual teachers. The spiritual teacher works always, it sometimes a little invisibly, but He always is present at our activity in devoted service. The spiritual teacher is our reason, spiritual teacher spirit our life, doing for us 90 % of all work. As to reason, SP how that on the letter grihastha I have answered - " already has given you understanding, why you write me? " /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I not about that what to not write, nevertheless am understandable, that the set of questions can be decided(solved) simply having addressed to reason.
By him(it) the set of problems arises frequently from that we simply do not want to understand that and we are their source. Certainly, sometimes we are confused as, the support is sometimes necessary, because so it happens that it is not present. Let's tell frankly, as a rule anybody too is not interested to help anothers. So, on a background of cultural dialogue, why and so, but to help to give back itself, them(him,it) this phenomenon rare. Who such guru? It is that person which gives back itself to the schoolboys including. The nature of fidelity is those.
When the spiritual teacher is happy? When He sees us mature. When He knows that on it (abstractly) devotee it is possible to rely. This devotee has reason, for example, spiritual reason including, everything, for this schoolboy it is possible to be quiet. The spiritual teacher works for us, grow ours sraddha, therefore glorifying the spiritual teacher, we give back the duty only in an insignificant degree.
How us nevertheless to give back this duty guru? To give back a duty means to help anothers. Sometimes it as means to help itself what to deliver less problems to the spiritual teacher.
Sometimes we have not enough dialogue with guru, but frequently it means that we have not enough devoted service or dialogue with devotee. The spiritual teacher is the highest instance. When we come in movement, for us there are two categories - " I and God ". After them there are three already - " I, God and spiritual teacher ".
- " Ооо, it is the advanced stage of devoted service ".
Actually when in these three categories others are added also all devotee, in this case it and is the complete form of true. All siksa it as ours guru. A material nature it as the form siksa.
Therefore by him(it) sometimes we want gets rid of what gets rid not probably of. Understandably that in life in the material world there is nothing good. But spiritual life it not material life deprived of problems. The spiritual life transcendental to material problems, she simply does not adjoin to them.
Undoubtedly that the spiritual life is always positive as, this positive the spiritual teacher and brings to us. How, - sabda, through hearing. It sabda outgoing from the spiritual world, pure sound. We simply should accept this sound and go behind him.
At first all of us simply take all at guru, but later there can be we and we shall learn to give. At first it is necessary to take, but later we can substitute already shoulder - " please guru maharaja, lean about my shoulder ". Certainly it can look as the shepherds which propped up Govardhan "helping" Krisna. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Nevertheless God can be pleased with our act.
Our relations with guru, are our relations with the God. As a rule God already has supplied us with all necessary. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Whether or not? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif If who that is already steady, it is possible to go forward. Simply we frequently have dialogue by him(it), we have not enough actually two forms of dialogue - the sermon and equal dialogue, doctrines it is enough. Whether or not? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I at all do not speak that the sermon it is necessary to take the books and to leave on a street, what for so is rough, absolutely is not present. If especially it is already done, what sense in such reasonings? There is no sense. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
So there is no sermon and equal dialogue. The equal dialogue does not suffice as because anarthas prevent, there is no rise as from time to time, therefore it is necessary to descend(go) to doctrines and to receive next asivat.
It seems that this idea of a cultural society is simply material. All should be simple cultural and thus spiritual life will be grow, it seems that it is the form of error. Probably I am mistaken or not up to the end I understand. I as not against culture as such, but best culture is the sermon.
Each of us carries in itself this site of the material contradictions and one of ways to weaken this site it to preach by and large. The spiritual teacher weakens to me this site, but I again fasten to do it(him), what to me? Probably it is necessary to go to the spiritual teacher? I should simply be given even more?
IT IS MORE??? Where I have more? All and so the limit already, more already is no place! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif:)
Therefore if we are betraid, using reason including, guru is pleased.
We have hope for spiritual life, but it is necessary with the help of the spiritual teacher, sacred sastra, dialogue and sermon to kindle this fire of spiritual life. The spiritual teacher already has given all components. Certainly, on all the time is necessary, it is indisputable, nevertheless they should understand, that there are things which depend and on us. If I give back the hundred percents, as much I also receive. Everything, that I give back, does not disappear anywhere, because it spiritually, but giving back, I receive as much.
It is like go in a sacred place. If I tried to serve, dhama accepts us, all thus is shown for us. Precisely as if I try to serve to the spiritual teacher, all spiritual life begins to be opened. But at first for us it does guru, and later we can as try to work and, and the spiritual teacher will help us.
Hare Krisna.
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The answer similar is, that everyone, who should fall, already have fallen. The spiritual world is absolute, therefore it already has taken place from this point of view.
Now there is a question when it has taken place? On this question it is impossible to give the answer, because in the spiritual world there is no material time. In the material world there is a past and future, but in the spiritual world it is absent. All aspects of the spiritual world are eternal is shown eternally and simultaneously with other aspects.
In what moment of time the soul crosses border of the material world? At the moment where the time simply is not present. To speak that who that will fall in "future" probably, because crossing border of the material world, the soul can show itself at any moment of time, as she comes here from absolute space, which covers by itself all - both past and future. Actually fall occurs from eternity therefore question "when" it is deprived of sense as a matter of fact.
As time, material mind and material reason occur after fall, therefore leaning on material mind and material reason to understand a principle of fall not probably. But leaning on sastra, it is quite possible to understand it.
Thus, go on for limits of the material world, it is possible to understand that nobody falls from the spiritual world, because all wishing have fallen at the uncertain moment of time.
The soul comes here from an absolute category. And THIS CATEGORY ON INFINITY SURPASSES And COVERS by ITSELF ALL CUMULATIVE TIME of ALL MATERIAL WORLD. Though the material world as is eternal, nevertheless spiritual life on infinity surpasses material!
Therefore how it is possible to speak about the concrete moment of time?
Therefore is nitya-baddha and nitya-siddha, nitya-siddha never fall, because the material nature has not won them, and nitya-baddha have chance to return to the primary situation.
" There are two kinds of living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. Nitya-siddha means they never fall a victim of mдyд. That is nitya-siddha. Even though they are within this material world, they are never victimized. That is called nitya-siddha. And one who is victimized, he is called nitya-baddha. But the actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha, because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. So that is nitya-siddha. Nitya-siddha, sдdhana-siddha, kеpд-siddha — there are different grades. They are all described in The Nectar of Devotion. So one can become sдdhana-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become again nitya-siddha. "
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O shining impersonal brahman! All glory to you!
After many many life your dream has come true at last that!
Now you can restore the eternal happiness,
At last ALL! Became executed of happiness for you.
You carefully keep this precious treasure,
Looking that inside of yourselves, outside of yourselves, you are absorbed in eternal bliss
This bliss now everywhere!
Has come true, this desire has come true.
O light, you a great brotherhood! O eternal unity!
Neither influence of time, nor vanity of the material forms, o brahman,
Can not touch you, as you are great!
O brahman, you probably know now essence sacred sastra?
You not grief and wish nothing, your mind is counterbalanced and
You equally treat to anyone, but why you do not want to serve to the God?
Why you follow this idea of general unity?
You still think what the form it financially?
Why you so are skilled in impersonal the relations,
But why nothing can understand in non-material activity?
Why you do distinctions on high and low in the spiritual relations? You think probably what they are material?
Mine dear impersonal brahman,
You can see only such as you
You think that it and there is a real spiritual life
And in it your mistake
Your meditation, o brahman, will not help you.
The cleanliness of your feelings will not help you.
All yours ascetic goes by ashes
Because you want to receive in spiritual life that that directly.
Receive impersonal merge!
It his dream! Life behind life we went to this.
When Lord Caitanya will stay me in this dead body?
When I shall hear sounds Vrindavan?
When I shall be cleared and I shall begin equally to accept everything, what the God sends to me?
Why I so am persistent in the aspiration fortunately?
Simply touching the names sastra, I nothing understand in them.
How to me to understand devoted service?
When Lord will give me blessings, though and having damned me?
How to me to understand devoted service?
You see I so am engaged in taste of eternal happiness?
Look as he self-satisfied! He has merged with the God!
And so has ruined the life.
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The third paragraph pranama SBS Prabhupada -
"sri-gaura-karuna-sakti-vigrahaya namo stu te"
Srila Prabhupada -
"And as Caitanya Mahaprabhu was called by Advaita Prabhu, similarly, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, when he saw this condition of pseudo Vaisnava all over the country, he also prayed to Lord Caitanya that “ You kindly send somebody from Your personal staff so that I can start this movement. ” You see? So by the grace of Lord Caitanya, as we pray, sri-gaura-karuna-sakti-vigrahaya namo stu te. Gaura... He is mercy representation of Lord Caitanya."
Thus Srila Prabhupada speaks that SBST is in an environment the Lord Caitanya. This fact is reflected in pranama mantra Srila Bhaktisidhanta - " sri-gaura-karuna-sakti ". Srila Bhaktisidhanta this embodiment karuna the Lord Caitanya and sambandha tattva Sri Radha Krisna. That quite is still reflected in deities GM and as in the sermon GM - " having received blessings the Lord Caitanya, the person can go further, developing fidelity Radha Krisna. "
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur is not distinct from the Lord Caitanya.
Srila Bhaktisidhanta is not distinct from the Lord Caitanya.
And Srila Prabhupada is not distinct from the Lord Caitanya. Only different persons represent different aspects of true. And confirming sastras specifies on Srila Prabhupada as the authorized embodiment, as it is a final result of all science of devoted service - bhakti vedanta.
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from Jaiva dharma -
When a person loves Krsna and Krsna is present, then the lover experiences the taste of a certain kind of rasa, the rasa of sambhoga-sukha (the happiness of enjoying with Krsna). However, when Krsna is absent, the lover experiences the rasa of vipralambha (separation), which itself produces a specific kind of wonderful transcendental bliss. In answer to one of Lord Mahaprabhu's questions, Ramananda Raya described (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.194) the wonderful bliss the devotee feel in separation from Krsna, a bliss he called 'vivarta'. Therefore what seems here to be suffering is in truth the highest spiritual bliss.
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He is disciple Harikesa Svami in past. Exuse.
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I am he not know he is from ISKCON.
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Another devotee take sanyasa too you have his foto? Alankara Kaustubha, or links.
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**Lord Caitanya expanse himself in Radha and later His again "stay" as Lord Caitanya.
Lord Caitanya God. He is expansion. He is avatara. He is sakti. He is pure devotee or He sourse all jiva tattva.
God enjoys is boundless, distributing itself as expansion, avatara, sakti, jiva tattva. God enjoys in many roles, in many characters.
Radha expansion Krisna or Lord Caitanya. "...Radharani, the supermost beautiful creation of the Lord." Radha is the God as energy or what the God owns. Radha the God means - that God not want all will be executed.
"Whatever we see is made up of various energies of God. In the Upaniсads it is said, parasya-saktir vividhaiva sruyate: “The Supreme Absolute Truth has many varieties of energies.” And these energies are acting so nicely that it appears they are working automatically (svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca). For example, we have all seen a blooming flower. We may think that it has automatically blossomed and become so beautiful. But no, the material energy of God is acting."
"As far as the beauty of the Lord is concerned, He has some special features that distinguish Him from all other living beings, and over and above that He has some special attractive beautiful features by which He attracts the mind of even Radharani, the supermost beautiful creation of the Lord. He is known, therefore, as Madana-mohana, or one who attracts the mind of even Cupid. Srila Jiva Gosvami Prabhu has scrutinizingly analyzed other transcendental qualities of the Lord and affirms that Lord Sri Krsna is the Absolute Supreme Personality of Godhead (Parabrahman). "
"This brings up the question of who Radharani is and what Radha-Krisna is. Actually Radha-Krisna is the exchange of love. This is not ordinary love; Krisna has immense potencies, of which three are principal: internal, external and marginal. In the internal potency there are three divisions: samvit, hladini and sandhini. The hladinй potency is the pleasure potency. All living entities have this pleasure-seeking potency, for all beings are trying to have pleasure. This is the very nature of the living entity. "
"In order to avoid such errors, we should understand what Radha-Krisna actually is. Radha and Krisna display their pastimes through Krisna internal energy. The pleasure potency of Krisna internal energy is a most difficult subject matter, and unless one understands what Krisna is, he cannot understand it."
"The object of Krisna pleasure potency is Radharani, and He exhibits His potency or His energy as Radharani and then engages in loving affairs with Her."
"It is not that Radharani is separate from Krisna. Radharani is also Krisna, for there is no difference between the energy and the energetic. Without energy, there is no meaning to the energetic, and without the energetic, there is no energy. Similarly, without Radha there is no meaning to Krisna, and without Krisna, there is no meaning to Radha. Because of this, the Vaisnava philosophy first of all pays obeisances to and worships the internal pleasure potency of the Supreme Lord. Thus the Lord and His potency are always referred to as Radha-Krisna. "
"Radha and Krisna are one, and when Krisna desires to enjoy pleasure, He manifests Himself as Radharani. The spiritual exchange of love between Radha and Krisna is the actual display of the internal pleasure potency of Krisna. Although we speak of “when” Krisna desires, just when He did desire we cannot say. We only speak in this way because in conditional life we take it that everything has a beginning; however, in the absolute or spiritual life there is neither beginning nor end. Yet in order to understand that Radha and Krisna are one and that They also become divided, the question “When?” automatically comes to mind. When Krisna desired to enjoy His pleasure potency, He manifested Himself in the separate form of Radharani, and when He wanted to understand Himself through the agency of Radha, He united with Radharani, and that unification is called Lord Caitanya."
"Again Lord Caitanya joined the two into one. Caitanyakhyaа prakaцam adhunд. That one means Krisna in the ecstasy of Radha. Sometimes Krisna is in ecstasy of Radha. Sometimes Radha is in ecstasy of Krisna. This is going on. But the whole thing is Radha and Krisna means the one, the Supreme."
**Lord Krsna IS THE RESERVOIR of transcendental loving transactions with Srimati Radharani.
LORD KRISNA is the RESERVOIR of transcendental loving transactions with Srimati Radharani. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
**Radharani felt more transcendental pleasure in the company of Krsna than He could understand without taking Her position, but for Sri Krsna to enjoy in the position of Srimati Radharani was impossible because that position was completely foreign to Him.
Because Krisna the God. The God is independent completely. But Radha that energy, the energy always depends on a source. Therefore emotions Radharani are stronger than emotions Krisna.
( Radharani felt more transcendental pleasure )
**Would you like to read something about the gayatri mantra
Parampara gives a lot of knowledge. Secret aspect parampara it Krisna lila. Radharani heads all devoted service. Nobody can serve to the God directly, except for her. But secret aspect Krisna lila it Caitanya lila.
"Everything is explained in Bhagavad-gita. Therefore, to learn how to become free from the miserable condition of material existence, Bhagavad-gita As It Is is the preliminary study. Then, if one understands Bhagavad-gita, one can proceed to Srimad-Bhagavatam, and if one advances further, one may study Caitanya-caritamrta. We are therefore presenting these invaluable books to the whole world so that people may study them and be happy, being delivered from miserable conditional life."
"Actually, the Caitanya-caritamrta is not intended for the novice, for it is the postgraduate study of spiritual knowledge. Ideally, one begins with the Bhagavad-gita and advances through Srimad-Bhagavatam to the Caitanya-caritamrta. Although all these great scriptures are on the same absolute level, for the sake of comparative study the Caitanya-caritamrta is considered to be on the highest platform. "
"In Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Caitanya-caritamrta, or any Vedic literature or any other literature in any other religion, the same fact is presented: God is the proprietor. God is the only friend. If you understand this, then you’ll have peace. This is the peace formula. " /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
"Conjugal love is divided into two portions: vipralambha, or conjugal love in separation, and sambhoga, or conjugal love in direct contact.
"There is no difference between thinking of Krsna and associating with Him. Rather, vipralambha-seva, thinking of Krsna in separation, as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu did, is far better than serving Krsna directly.
"Lord Caitanya taught people in general the method of vipralambha-seva, which is the method of rendering service unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the feeling of separation. The six Gosvamis also taught worship of Krsna in the feeling of the gopis in separation. The prayers of Srinivasacarya about the Gosvamis explain these matters very clearly. Srinivasacarya said that the Gosvamis were always absorbed in the ocean of transcendental feelings in the mood of the gopis. When they lived in Vrndavana they were searching for Krsna, crying, “Where are You, Krsna? O gopis, where are You? Where are You, Srimati Radharani?” They never said, “We have now seen Radha and Krsna, and therefore our mission is fulfilled.” Their mission remained always unfulfilled; they never met Radha and Krsna.
"So Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s teaching is that vipralambha-seva. By His practical life.
"Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu taught us this method of worship in separation, vipralambha-seva. Not that “Oh, I have seen yesterday. Last night, I have seen Krsna. He was snatching my cloth.”
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"Real Caitanya Mahaprabhu sampradaya is that he should be feeling like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, separation.
Not sambhoga. Vipralambha. Vipralambha-seva:
- “Oh, I am so wretched, I could not serve Krsna. How I can see Krsna? It is not possible.” In this way.
That is the teaching of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
-“But even though I do not see Him, neither it is possible for me to see Him...” Means: “What I am? I am insignificant person. Why Krsna come and see me?”
This is right.
-“Why shall I aspire after seeing Krsna? What qualification I have got?” This is bhajana.
This is bhajana.
-Why should I be proud that “Now I shall see Krsna”? What I am? That is the teaching of Caitanya Mahдprabhu. ... “Without giving me audience, You kill me, You break my heart; still, You are my Lord, You are my worshipable Lord, nobody else.” This is love.
This is love.
- (Bengali) ... “Krsna may not come. I may not see Krsna for thousands and thousands of lives. I may rot in the hellish condition of life for many, many births. That doesn’t matter. Still, I cannot give up Krsna consciousness.”
This is required.
- I may be sent to hell, heaven; it doesn’t matter. What qualification I have got that I want to see back to home, back to Godhead? It is not so easy thing. So why should I be sorry for that? I should be happy even in the hell simply by thinking of Krsna. That is wanted. That is wanted.
That is Krsna consciousness.
So here is the example.
Tears by force are coming out: “Oh, Krsna is going away.” At the same time, they want to check: “There may not be any inauspicity for Krsna.” They’re thinking Krsna, for Krsna, not for personal self. “Oh, I am now crying. I have become very much fortunate. I am crying for Krsna.” No. “My crying will create inauspicity for Krsna, I must check it.”
This is Krsna consciousness.
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All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
SBT sings: “My dear Lord, whatever I have—even my mind, the center of all material necessities. namely my home, my body and whatever I have in connection with this body—I now surrender unto You. You are now completely independent to act however You like. If You like, You can kill me, and if You like, You can save me. In any case, I am Your eternal servant, and You have every right to do whatever You like.”
“Because of my past fruitive activities, I have now fallen into an ocean of nescience. I cannot find any means to get out of this great ocean, which is indeed like an ocean of poison. We are trying to be happy through sense enjoyment, but actually that so-called enjoyment is like food that is too hot and causes burning in the heart. I feel a burning sensation constantly, day and night, and thus my mind cannot find satisfaction.”
Narottama dT has sung: “My Lord, I have simply wasted my life. Having obtained the human body, I have neglected to worship Your Lordship, and therefore I have willingly drunk poison.”
Narottama dT :“I have given up the pure status of consciousness because I wanted to enjoy in the temporary, material manifestation; therefore I have been entangled in the network of actions and reactions.”
Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti offers his good counsel to the interested Vaisnavas when he says that they should not be interested in hearing only about the Lord’s activities (like rasa lila), but must be keenly interested in His pastimes in His features of the purusavataras in connection with saсti-tattva, creational functions...
“I offer my respectful obeisances unto the six Gosvamis, ... who are very expert in scrutinizingly studying all the revealed scriptures with the aim of establishing eternal religious principles for the benefit of all human beings. Thus they are honored all over the three worlds, and they are worth taking shelter of because they are absorbed in the mood of the gopis and are engaged in the transcendental loving service of Radha and Krsna.”
"siddha-deha. Where is siddha? And siddha-deha means there is no more any material lusty desires. That is siddha-deha. ...Siddha body means .... All material desires, zero. That is siddha body. So therefore it is very confidential.
"Ramananda Raya replied: “I request that You not try to hide Yourself. I understand that You have accepted the complexion and mode of thinking of Srimati Radharani and that You are trying to understand Yourself from the viewpoint of Radharani. You have actually advented Yourself to take this point of view. Although You incarnate mainly to understand Your own self, You are at the same time distributing love of Krsna to the world. Now You have personally come here to deliver me. Please don’t try to deceive me, I beg You. It is not good for You.”
Being very satisfied, Lord Caitanya smiled and showed Ramananda His real form as the combination of Sri Radha and Krsna. Thus Lord Caitanya was Sri Krsna Himself with the external features of Srimati Radharani. His transcendental ability to become two and then to become one again was revealed to Ramananda Raya. Those who are fortunate enough to understand Lord Caitanya as well as the Vrndavana pastimes of Radha and Krsna can be able, by the mercy of Sri Rupa Gosvami, to know about the real identity of Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
"Upon seeing this unique feature of Lord Caitanya, Ramananda Raya fainted and fell on the floor. Lord Caitanya then touched him, and he came to his senses. Ramananda Raya was then surprised to see Lord Caitanya again in His mendicant dress. Lord Caitanya embraced and pacified him and informed him that he was the only one to have seen this form. “Because you have understood the purpose of My incarnation, you are privileged to have seen this particular feature of My personality,” the Lord said. “My dear Ramananda, I am not a different person with a fair complexion known as Gaurapurusa. I am the selfsame Krsna the son of Maharaja Nanda, and due to contact with the body of Srimati Radharani I have now assumed this form. Srimati Radharani does not touch anyone but Krsna; therefore She has influenced Me with Her complexion, mind and words. In this way I am just trying to understand the transcendental flavor of Her relationship with Krsna.
The fact is that both Krsna and Lord Caitanya are the original Personality of Godhead. No one should try to eliminate Lord Caitanya from Sri Krsna. In His form of Sri Krsna, He is the supreme enjoyer, and in His form of Lord Caitanya, He is the supreme enjoyed. No one can be more superexcellently attractive than Sri Krsna, and but for Sri Krsna, no one can enjoy the supreme form of devotion, Srimati Radharani.
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He is wery well work and build temple like sannyas. Now he take sannyas. He is meet devotee in USA.
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Jaganatha Vallabha who do this temple, take sannyasa.
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**If you get a chance, please email me at murali@mandala.com.au
If not difficult send me please Raga Prabhu. In me computers do not open this files.
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**1. The OBJECT OF LOVE is Brajendra Nadana Sri Krsna, but NOT MANIFESTED.
2. The CONTAINER OF LOVE is Brajendra Nandana Sri Krsna with the mood of Radhika and
His inner most desire is to meet
Brajendra Nandana Sri Krsna which is NOT MANIFESTED.
This is love in SEPARATION that He wanted to taste.
Yes, it is start for you for properly undrstanding.
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**Of course Gaura lila is eternal,
Yes, and Srila Rupa Gosvami eternal devotee Lord Sri Caitanya. Lord Caitanya sourse Krisna lila. Lord Caitanya expanse himself in Radha, and later His again "stay" as Lord Caitanya. It is higer aspect, then SP writes - " all sambhoga for neophits." Sastras Goswamis go in Gaura lila in high sense. Krisna lila it is sourse madhurya vipralambha for gaura lila.
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**Jagat has already offered previously to help you. Why be angry at him now?
I am studi some. How long studi Jagat Prabhu in university, may be 3 month? Studi England needs time? or not?
Vaikuntha levels and rasa (Swami-Narayana level)
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**have nothing to do with the characteristics of vatsalya rasa.
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It is not possible that in prakat lila of bhagavan a devotee is in one rasa but
in the nitya lila he is in an other rasa,
and that is lower that the rasa in the material world.
Srivasa Pandit in Krisna lila sakhya, gaura lila madhurya.
**In Caitanya lila we can see that some devotees come with a combination of moods, which in no case contradict the superior mood they have in the spiritual world,
because all the lower rasas are included in the higher rasa.
I am look abhout Haridasa Thakura.
**I am quite sure, Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupada never write that Parlada Maharaja is in vatsalya rasa, and this, just because he understands the science of rasa. He is a rupa-anuga.
"...Here the feelings of Prahlada Maharaja were in the mellow of vatsalya, filial love and affection."
SB 7.4.40 PURPORT
Rupa nuga it is follow steps Lord caitanya. Krisna lila it is expansion Lord Caitanya.
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in Srimad Bhagavatam we are taken gradually through different prakat lilas of bhagavan Sri Krsna,
which have their culmination in the tenth canto.
These lilas convey us the different types of devotees and the different types of prema they attained, which has its culmination in the unantojvala prema (the love in separation of the gopis), which in its higher extent is to be found in Srimati Radhika.
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***We cannot jump direct to the tenth canto. If we cannot understand how high is for example the prema of Praladha Maharaja, or how much higher is the prema of Uddhava, we will never understand the exquisite love of the gopis.
Yes.
**On the other side Sri Sanatana Gosvami wrote Brihad Bhagavatamrita and explained the different
levels of devotees so that we understand the limits of the different types of devotees To understand this points without proper guidance is quite impossible.
Yes.
***PS
For the 100 000 Holy Names a day platform, I will open another thread.
OK.