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Modern Puri resulted out of an amalgamation of different forces and synthesis of different cultures . Historians and scholars opine that on the present site of Jagannath temple once stood the famous buddhist monastery of Puri which housed the famed tooth relic of sri Gautama Buddha , the ruins of which now lies buried below the low hillock later named as Nila-Parvat , on which the present temple was built ! During war and other tensions in the kingdom the precious relic was carried to the island of Ceylon( present day Sri Lanka ) by the prince and the princess of the royality dressed as poor brahmins . To this day the tooth has remained in Sri Lanka .
After the shifting of the relic the monastery fell to neglect and was soon abondoned , later to be taken over by the Hindus with their post buddhist era revival .
Jagannath is also probably the most humansitic deity of India . He eats a lavish meal , goes to sleep . takes a luxurious bath on Snanayatra and then falls sick ( when royal physicians come with ayurvedic medicines to heal him) and finally goes on a pleasure vacation on rathaytra after he recovers !! And after twelve years he also leaves his body to get reincarnated !! A prime example to the divine play between bhakta and bhagavan .
Rathaytra was a common festival in ancient India . Different temples and different sects had their own chariot festivals at different times of the year . But slowly most of them died down . The strange thing is that in Puri the main vigraha is taken out in ratha instead of the pratibhu murtis , as done in southern temples .
The temple premises also has the Suryadeva temple where the original diety of Suntemple Konark is supoosed to be hidden since its fall in the hands of invaders centuries ago . On entering this temple one can see the brass diety of Surya Deva . But the original stone diety is hidden beneath this 'false' brass one . One can see the original diety by requesting the priest in charge and offering some small donation !!! On request he lights up a match or takes the lamp behind the brass diety and leads you the way to the dark interiors where after peeping in , you can see the beautiful meditative face of Sun hidden in absolute darkness !!!
Sri Kshetra is also a Devi Peetha and home of Vimala Devi . The same spot is the place where the nabhi or navel of Sati fell after Vishnu cut off her lifeless body into 51 peices in an attempt to pacify Mahadeva who was at fury on death of his beloved . Legend has it that Vimala was the original occupier of the premises when Jagannath wanted residence . Vimala laid one condition to allow him entry . She said that the bhoga of Jagannath after being offered to him shall be first offered to her before anyone else , and it was on this condition that he was allowed an entry into the temple .
Inspite of being one of the four dhams and the seat of vaishnava learning Vimala Devi is offered a goat sacrifice on the day of the Durgaashtami , within the temple premises !! The animal is brought in at midnight after Jagannath dev is put to sleep and the remains are taken out through the back door and the blood washed clean before daybreak !!
Every Devi Peetha is the home to a particular devi with Shiva in his form as bhairav as her companion and protector of the peetha . In amarnath the bhairav is Umaanada , in Vrindavan he is Bhutesh ,etc . The strange thing is that in Jagannath Puri the Bhairav of Devi is Jagannath Dev himself !!
This makes Jagannath identical with Shiva and husband or companion of Vimala . but Baladeva being the Sankarsana is also suppossed to be the expansion of Shiva . It is indeed a strange combination that we see in this holy place . The divine trinity all in the same temple -- Shiva as Baladeva , Yogamaya Durga as Subhadra and Vishnu or Krishna as Jagannath .
How this seemingly impossible combination of Shakta Shaiva Vaishnavas has been achived is a mystery ! Maybe the lord himself continues with his divine and secret play in this sacred land to achieve the impossible .
Nilachala adhisthata Jagannath mahaprabhu jayatu !
Very nice !!
I had the great fortune to be in the sacred temple
± 17 years ago..had some problems getting in though
because i being a south african !...but managed to convince
the pandas that i was more hindu than them because they
could not speak gujerati and dwarka is in gujeraat !!
on that basis and by the mercy of the Lord i was granted
their darshan !!...lots of small temples in the main temple
grounds !! ± 108 smaller temples !
the reason why they do not allow foreiners is that because
in some of their very very old scriptures it is mentioned
that LORD JAGANATH will leave puri with a foreign bhakta !!
so they are trying to keep LORD JAGANATH there by their love
and some cunning !!
JAI JAGANATH !!
YOURS
jaswant
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Can some one tell me whether Lord Rama was more powerful or the ravana? Ramayana gives accounts that Ravana had powers to conquer anything in the universe?? Can some one plz explain. Om Namah Shivaya!
no not correct...ravan was powerful but he was defeated by Bali , Sugriv's brother..a monkey !!
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HARE KRISHNA !!
Thanks MAHAK & THEIST ,
I just thought how did Vidur come to know of the mahabharat..i just assumed that it was "written" by Vyas after the Pandavas left this
realm...so when he spoke to Maitreya muni, at that time the mahabharat
was not yet written.....but theist , as you say...this qustions is just mundane...but it would be nice to know...i do not need the exact dates
but like first was the ramayan than bharat than puraans...more or less
thanks again
yours
jaswant
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Your friend the great sage Kṛṣṇa-dvaipāyana Vyāsa has already described the transcendental qualities of the Lord in his great work the Mahābhārata. But the whole idea is to draw the attention of the mass of people to kṛṣṇa-kathā [bhagavad-gītā] through their strong affinity for hearing mundane topics.
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HARE KRISHNA !!
nice topic !!
i have a "technical" doubt , plse expl
I think the above was said to MAITRIYA MUNI by VIDUR..??
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The pandavas was still rulling at the time....
My question is when was the mahabharat written ?...
was it not after the pandavas left the world ??...
and than after the mahabharat , the bhagavat puran was
written...
yours
jaswant
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There is no interpretation needed. You already accept the fact that the Linga Purana is a tamasic, and by just using common sense, we can understand that there must be something wrong with this Purana to be classified as tamasic.
There is also this verse from the Gita that will explain things better.
Bhagavad Gita 14.17
sattvāt sañjāyate jñānaḿ
rajaso lobha eva ca
pramāda-mohau tamaso
bhavato 'jñānam eva ca
From the mode of goodness, real knowledge develops; from the mode of passion, greed develops; and from the mode of ignorance develop foolishness, madness and illusion.
(Only the sattva-guna can reveal real knowledge, while tama-guna brings foolishness. The three modes of nature do not apply to how a person acts either, it applies to a lot of other things. Ayurveda uses the three modes to separate foods. However, if you're one of those people who don't accept the Gita, then here are these verses.)
Skanda Purana (2.6.4.3):
srimadbhagavatasyatha srimadbhagavatah sada
svarupam ekamevasti saccidanandalaksanam
"The nature of the Srimad Bhagavatam and the Personality of Godhead is always the same - full knowledge, bliss, and eternal existence."
(Here the Skanda Purana clearly states that the Bhagavad Purana and the Personality of Godhead are of the same nature. There is no interpreation needed, and note that this is also a tamasic purana.)
Skanda Purana, Prabhasa Khanda (7.1.2.39-42) and Agni Purana (272.6,7)
"That which gives accounts of the humans and demigods in the Sarasvata Kalpa, explains the supreme religion, basing itself on Gayatri, and narrates the slaying of Vrtrasura is to be known as the Srimad Bhagavatam. It has eighteen thousand verses. Whoever makes a copy of the Bhagavatam and donates it, on a golden lion throne, on the full moon day in the month of Bhadra, will attain the supreme destination".
(It is also interesting to note that these two Puranas declare the Srimad Bhagavatam to explain the supreme religion. It also declares that by solely donating the Bhagavatam, fulfilling a certain criteria, will attain the supreme destination.
Also take note that the Agni Purana is also a tamasic Purana.)
HARE KRISHNA !
Who "classified" the various puraans as satvic, tamasi ect...i belive that the skanda puraan is also "tamasic".....i just find it difficult to belive that some puraans are "tamasic"...i think all puraans are "perfect" authored by shri vyas who is visnu
ys
jaswant
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Hare Krishna Indulekhadasi ,
thanks for you reply , i never did read the GARG SAMHITA ,i have the mahabharat translated by ganguly...quite huge..just started reading it..i thought that predominating deity of Kali yuga was Duryodhan..who was this kali from garg samhita , can you paraphrase the details for me ?...also who karan was ...i know he has something to do with "Nar-Narayan"..who is Arjun-Krishna in the m/bharat..
HARI-BOL !!
j
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Dear Mahaksadasa ,
I really love your understanding !..Do you by any chance know who Durodhan & Karan was ?...i have heard that Duryodhan was "KALI"...but than did not "kali" come into being after the departure of the Pandavas..
i was told (again i have no ref. from the m/bharat) that just before the pandavas were leaving this earth , kali asked them to stay in his kingdom , yudhistir refused pointing to all the bad in kali's rule...bhim wanted to kill kali there & than , but yudhistir said there were some very good aspects to kali yug as well...for example a person just have to take god'd name sincerly and god would respond... like what shri chaitanya says hare nama...await your comments
jaswant
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its very difficult to put every thing in the film !!...a lot was left out !!
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I really like what the poster above me said ^^^
There is one greatness of karna...even lord krishna praised.....during the battle, arjuna pushed karna's chariot 10 steps back....Karna pushed arjuna's rath two step back....Krishna was impressed and he began to praise karna...Arjuna was stunned and asked why he was praising karna...krishna said
Arjuna...I am a god that preserves the entire universe and I am the heaviest man and on one can shake me but Karna managed to do it.
very interesting !! i have heard this before as well !!...but is it stated in the mahabharat?...can you kindly give some ref.
i also like KARAN , my son is named after him as well !
jaswant
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Thanks, Sonic Yogi & Vishnujana !!
Sorry For The Mis Spelling !
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THANKS, SONIC YGI & VISHNIJANA !!
I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS ,
thare is another incident regarding brahma , just before creation brahma is granted a vision of the lord... brahma asks for a boon to never be "bewildered" ...later on the epsode of "stealing" the cows & cowherd boys .. why was he bewildered...he knew who Krishna was..it was brahma who directed the devas to take birth among the yadus!...there are these suble doubts ...
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THANKS VISNUJANA ,
maybe iam not puting it correctly , let me try again--
my query is , how do we reconcile , the actions of indra , when he first bows down to Krisna and offers all respects and prayers and acknowledge him as GOD....Thah when he wants the plant he refuses and is ready to fight ! , but a monent ago he was praying to Krishna...and taking into account he is indra the king of heaven he is no odinary being ! he knows that Krishna is GOD from prior experiance like the lifting of Govardhan hill...thats my difficulty to understand...looking fwd to a replies.
HARI-BOL!!
jaswant
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!
i just find it so hard to belive that a person like indra is bewildered in a moment....not only this incident ..but also the lifting of Govardhan hill...ok maybe he forgot about the Govardhan hill because that happened a while ago...but this ... he was defeated by Bhaumasura, but he still could not recognise KRISHNA AS GOD !!
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why did indra not remember who Krishna was ,when he took the parijat tree...Krishna just delivered his (indra's) mothers ear rings after killing a demon who was incapable of being killed by indra...
ys
jaswant
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This Shiva is God Stuff is Bogus.
1) Lord Shiva is the Brother of the Kumaras & Narada etc.
2) When Lord Brahma passes away --so will all pass away by merging back
into MAhaVisnu's Breathing.
3)Shiva is Brahma's Son.
4)Shiva & Brahma are Jiva-atmas.
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1) Why because lord SHIVA MANIFESTED himself from Brahma's head ?
Would you say the same for lord VARAHA ?
2) At the time of total destruction Lord SHIVA DOES NOT "PASS A WAY" it is LORD SHIVA who destroys the world..
3) Lord SHIVA is NOT A JIVATMA.....one of the TATVAS that is not known to mankind is....SHIV-TATVA
jaswant
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Srila Prabhupada's explanation makes it clear Krsna is for everyone and is neither Hindu or Indian"-----
Do the KRISHNA CON. people follow the VEDAS ?
Its not a question of is KRISHNA for the hindus ....Agree KRISHNA is the Lord of everyone.....
jaswant
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Dear Dark Warrior,
"I thought Hindu is actually a vedic term for a faith that has ahimsa as its central tenet"
The above as well as belief in the VEDAS which is "THE CENTRAL TENENT" of Hindus . Therefore JAINS & BHUDISTS are not part of Hinduism because they have rejected the VEDAS.
If the Vaishnavs reject the VEDAS than they are not Hindus ... but they hold the VEDAS in the highest esteem and therefore they are "A PART AND PARCEL OF A COLLECTIVE PEOPLE CALLED HINDUS "
as Theist says "It is the context of how a word is used that is important"
My humble opinion !...not meant to hurt anyones feelings
jaswant
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The last pst of mine was a copy & paste from
DR FRANK MORALES
Just like "GANGES" there is no such word in sanskrit
Its is " GANGA "
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Scriptural Authority
In general, what determines whether a person is a follower of any particular religion is whether or not they accept, and attempt to live by, the scriptural authority of that religion. This is no less true of Hinduism than it is of any other religion on earth. Thus, the question of what is a Hindu is similarly very easily answered.
The Definition
By definition, a Hindu is an individual who accepts as authoritative the religious guidance of the Vedic scriptures, and who strives to live in accordance with Dharma, God's divine laws as revealed in the Vedic scriptures. Only If You Accept the Vedas
In keeping with this standard definition, all of the Hindu thinkers of the six traditional schools of Hindu philosophy (Shad-darshanas) insisted on the acceptance of the scriptural authority of the Vedas (shabda-pramana) as the primary criterion for distinguishing a Hindu from a non-Hindu, as well as distinguishing overtly Hindu philosophical positions from non-Hindu ones. It has been the historically accepted standard that, if you accept the Vedas (and by extension Bhagavad Gita, Puranas, etc.) as your scriptural authority, and lived your life in accordance with the Dharmic principles of the Vedas, you are then a Hindu. Thus, an Indian who rejects the Veda is obviously not a Hindu. While an American, Russian, Indonesian or Indian who does accept the Veda obviously is a Hindu
From DR. FRANK , for About.com
jaswant
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Scriptural Authority
In general, what determines whether a person is a follower of any particular religion is whether or not they accept, and attempt to live by, the scriptural authority of that religion. This is no less true of Hinduism than it is of any other religion on earth. Thus, the question of what is a Hindu is similarly very easily answered.
The Definition
By definition, a Hindu is an individual who accepts as authoritative the religious guidance of the Vedic scriptures, and who strives to live in accordance with Dharma, God's divine laws as revealed in the Vedic scriptures. Only If You Accept the Vedas
In keeping with this standard definition, all of the Hindu thinkers of the six traditional schools of Hindu philosophy (Shad-darshanas) insisted on the acceptance of the scriptural authority of the Vedas (shabda-pramana) as the primary criterion for distinguishing a Hindu from a non-Hindu, as well as distinguishing overtly Hindu philosophical positions from non-Hindu ones. It has been the historically accepted standard that, if you accept the Vedas (and by extension Bhagavad Gita, Puranas, etc.) as your scriptural authority, and lived your life in accordance with the Dharmic principles of the Vedas, you are then a Hindu. Thus, an Indian who rejects the Veda is obviously not a Hindu. While an American, Russian, Indonesian or Indian who does accept the Veda obviously is a Hindu
From DR. , for About.com
jaswant
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I am not so qualified Jass. But here are some thoughts that come to mind.
Lord Brahma is a very advanced jiva, but conditioned. His promise to show no pride, must be a sign of his honest understanding of his position, and surrender.
When Lord Brahma stole the cows, the lila was under the workings of yoga-maya not maha-maya. I am fairly certain.
So in that sense Lord Brahma's pride in stealing may be a part of that lila orchestrated by yoga-maya. Very pleasing to the Lord.
I have not read these things closely...maybe some other devotees could elaborate. Or clarify my error?
Dear Yogesh & Bija ,
Thanks for the replies..
from Yogesh, the question arises is it the same Brahma?
From Bija:-
So in that sense Lord Brahma's pride in stealing may be a part of that lila orchestrated by yoga-maya. Very pleasing to the Lord
can anybody please elaborate
thanks
j
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Which Brahma are you referring to? You must understand that there are various Brahmas (living entities given the post of Brahma) I may be wrong but it could be another Brahma from another Kalpa/Time.
Maybe someone with more information could help clarify.
Hare Krsna/Krishna
I do not know if its the same BRAHMA ...but I am thinking of 2 incidents.
1) In the begining of creation...thats described in the 2nd canto just before the "chatur shloks"....and
2) The BRAHMA in the 10th canto...the incident is when BRAHMA steals the cows and cowherds...Krishna manifests all the cows and bays for a period of± 1year....
.....is it the same BRAHMA ?
jass
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in the 2nd canto..Brahma was blessed that he will never be influenced by pride...this is just before the "chatur shloki bhagavat"
But in the 10the canto ..he is influeced by pride...that is the stealling of the cows & other gopals...
...any explanations on this ??
jass
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i received this -- any comments
ys
jaswant
Does the Universe Ever End? Is It Real?
The universe ends at mahapralaya, when time, form and space dissolve in God Siva, only to be created again in the next cosmic cycle. We call it relatively real to distinguish it from the unchanging Reality. Aum Namah Sivaya.
Bhashya
This universe, and indeed all of existence, is maya, Siva's mirific energy. While God is absolutely real, His emanated world is relatively real. Being relatively real does not mean the universe is illusory or nonexistent, but that it is impermanent and subject to change. It is an error to say that the universe is mere illusion, for it is entirely real when experienced in ordinary consciousness, and its existence is required to lead us to God. The universe is born, evolves and dissolves in cycles much as the seasons come and go through the year. These cycles are inconceivably immense, ending in mahapralaya when the universe undergoes dissolution. All three worlds, including time and space, dissolve in God Siva. This is His ultimate grace--the evolution of all souls is perfect and complete as they lose individuality and return to Him. Then God Siva exists alone in His three perfections until He again issues forth creation. The Vedas state, "Truly, God is One; there can be no second. He alone governs these worlds with His powers. He stands facing beings. He, the herdsman, after bringing forth all worlds, reabsorbs them at the end of time." Aum Namah Sivaya.
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HARE KRISHNA BHAKTAJAN !!
is rudra the same as shiva shambu sadashiva
or are the different personalaties ? or rather partial
manivestations of one personality who is lets say
sadashiva...who non-different from vishnu
yours
jaswant