MarkEdmund

Dear Prabhu, Thank you for your wisdom and blessings. I hope you can share some of that wisdom in the Gita Dharma group itself. HariBhol!

What is your idea of 'tangible proof'? If you mean, direct experience, I can understand for I do beleive that direct mystical experience is one way of acquiring knowledge. However, direct experience is not always of the 'tangible' variety. And 'proof' is simply a subjective thing. i.e. 'evidence' may not rise to the level of 'proof' for one person but it may be more than sufficient for another.

What is your idea of 'tangible proof'? If you mean, direct experience, I can understand for I do beleive that direct mystical experience is one way of acquiring knowledge. However, direct experience is not always of the 'tangible' variety. And 'proof' is simply a subjective thing. i.e. 'evidence' may not rise to the level of 'proof' for one person but it may be more than sufficient for another.

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"O controller of all things - You are the well-wisher of all the conditioned souls. There is no limit to your glories. Nothing can go on without You. And yet you are separate. From You the Vedas have come. You are time. And in the course of time you will destroy all things. You are the cause of the creation, maintenance and destruction of the manifested universes. And you are the Supersoul in everyone's heart, who is directing their activities You are the object of meditation of great yogis, the guru of the whole universe and the goal of all devotees. Oh Lotus-Eyed One, please accept my obeisances again and again. Your glories are unlimited." The Gita Mahatmya - A combination of two separate prayers: from Sri Yamaraja & Sri Laksmi

O Lord of the universe - the world becomes joyful upon hearing your name! I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. You are the supreme primal objective. You are the ultimate resting place of all this universe. You are inexhaustible. You are the maintainer of the eternal religion. You are without origin, middle or end. Your glory is unlimited. O Lord of lords, O Refuge of the worlds, please be gracious to me. As a father tolerates the impudence of his son, or a friend tolerates the impertinence of his friend, please tolerate the wrongs I may have done You. You are the supreme controller - the original creator! O Limitless One, God of gods, Refuge of the universe! You are the invincible source, the cause of all causes - transcendental to this material manifestation. You are the knower of everything, and You are all that is knowable. You are the father of this complete cosmic manifestation, of the moving and the nonmoving. You are the supreme spiritual master. No one is equal to You, nor can anyone be one with You. You are the supreme lord, to be worshiped by every living being. Thus I fall down to offer You my obeisances and ask for your mercy. Prayer of Prince Arjuna to The Supreme* Bhagavad-Gita As It Is 11:16,18,19,25,31,36,37,38,39,43,44 *Because of His many potencies, Prince Arjuna addresses the Lord by various names including Achyuta: Infallible One Govinda: Giver of enlightenment Ishvara: Lord of the universe Janardana: Chastiser of the enemies Krishna: All Attractive One Vaasudev: The son of Vussudev Vishnu: All Pervading One Yamo: Supreme Controller

I am sharing my Dharma here - welcoming any comments or questions: There are only two things with which the spiritual aspirant need be concerned: 1. WHO Bhagavan is. & 2. HOW to get to Him. WHO: Bhagavan (the One of unlimited opulences) is Sri Visnu (the All-Pervading One) He incarnates as Sri Vaasudev HOW: The how of getting to Him is Dharma. There are three pillars of Dharma: 1. GYAANAM (Transcendental Knowledge) of this tree, there are three branches: a. Bhagavan (His names, forms, qualities and pastimes - all of which are equally worshipable) b. The Sanskrit Bhagavad Gita (the speaking of the Gita is one of the worshipable pastimes of Bhagavan) c. Dharma Itself (which is the means to fully realize both) 2. TAPSYA (austerities of body, mind and speech) 3. SAADHNA (Specific Daily Spiritual Practices) i.e. chanting of Sanskrit Gita & names of Bhagavan & Gita study Dharma is very nicely elucidated by the Spiritual Master Sri Sankaracarya ONE WHO TAKES SHELTER OF THIS DHARMA SHALL ATTAIN THE SUPREME DESTINATION: Gita Dharma 1 One who, with a regulated mind, recites with devotion this Bhagavad-gita scripture which is the bestower of all virtue, will attain to a holy abode such as Vaikuntha, the residence of Sri Visnu, which is always free from the mundane qualities based on fear and lamentation. 2 If one reads Bhagavad-gita very sincerely and with all seriousness, then by the grace of Sri Bhagavan the reactions of his past misdeeds will not act upon him. 3 One may cleanse himself daily by taking a bath in water, but if one takes a bath even once in the sacred Ganges water of Bhagavad-gita, for him the dirt of material life is altogether vanquished. 4 In the present age, people are so absorbed in mundane activities that it is not possible for them to read all the Vedic literatures. Because Bhagavad-gita is the essence of all Vedic literatures and especially because it is spoken by Sri Bhagavan, one need only attentively and regularly hear and read Bhagavad-gita. One need not read any other Vedic literature. 5 By drinking the Ganges waters of the Gita, the divine quintessence of the Mahabharata emanating from the holy lotus mouth of Sri Visnu, one will never again take birth in the material world. In other words, by devotionally reciting the Gita, the cycle of birth and death is terminated. 6 All the Upanisads are like a cow, and the milker of the cow is Sri Vaasudev, the son of Nanda. Arjuna is the calf, the beautiful nectar of the Gita is the milk, and the fortunate devotees of fine theistic intellect are the drinkers and enjoyers of that milk. 7 There need be only one holy scripture - the divine Gita sung by Bhagavan Sri Vaasudev: only one worshipable Lord - Bhagavan Sri Vaasudev: only one mantra - His holy names: and only one duty - devotional service to Sri Bhagavan. Sri Sankaracarya

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Thank you! Gitananda sitaram/ /

Thank you! Gitananda sitaram/ /

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in response to: _________ Some people will never get it no matter what you say or do. You can talk until you are blue in the face and they will continue to chow down on their animal flesh sandwiches. So perhaps the best method is the right in the face gross out such as the Meet your Meat video. Make them gag at the thought of eating flesh. _________ I would be interested in knowing how I can procure this video. Thank you. Gitananda / GitaDharma/

in response to: _________ Eggs are a form of flesh and blood - being either an embryo or the chicken menses. It does not matter if the egg is from a chicken raised on a so-called "humane egg farm" or not - this fact does not change. _________ I agree that eggs are a form of flesh and blood. This is why we do not offer these things to Bhagavan, however I think a moral argument is needed for society at large. Using aesthetic reasoning, i.e. "it's disgusting" is not convincing since some vegans utilize similar reasoning against the consumption of milk products, i.e. "milk is the bodily secretion of a cow, and I do not dine upon bodily secretions." The best reason as to WHY a non-Hindu should not consume flesh and blood is because violence was committed against another being to procure food which is not necessary for our survival, period. Gitananda / gitadharma/

in response to: _________ Eggs are a form of flesh and blood - being either an embryo or the chicken menses. It does not matter if the egg is from a chicken raised on a so-called "humane egg farm" or not - this fact does not change. _________ I agree that eggs are a form of flesh and blood. This is why we do not offer these things to Bhagavan, however I think a moral argument is needed for society at large. Using aesthetic reasoning, i.e. "it's disgusting" is not convincing since some vegans utilize similar reasoning against the consumption of milk products, i.e. "milk is the bodily secretion of a cow, and I do not dine upon bodily secretions." The best reason as to WHY a non-Hindu should not consume flesh and blood is because violence was committed against another being to procure food which is not necessary for our survival, period. Gitananda / gitadharma/

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