Puru Das, das anudas

Well it certainly isn't going to be good. You can see now how so many natural disastors, world terrorism, animal slaughter, pornography, etc etc. etc are so widespread. Srila B.V. Naryana Maharaja made some observation that the mercy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu would manifest till the end of kali yuga. I will research for his exact statement and post it for you when I find it. I am not certain which kali yuga His Divine Grace is refering to in his statement. I know that I asked Srila Narayana Maharaja about the other kali yugas and what form of Mahaprabhu appears at those time. His answer was "any manifestation of Maha Visnu," like Advaita Acarya etc. Also,one point to mention is that in all the other kali yuga's (when Mahaprabhu and Svayam Bhagan Sri Krsna do not manifest) the chanting of the maha mantra doesn't yield vraja prema, but takes the sadhakas who perfect themselves to Vaikuntha. In his introduction to Sri Krsna Samhita , Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura give the four different maha mantras for each of the different yugas;satya, treta, dvarapa and kali. I will try to find a copy of the book and post those for you also when I can. but now the cyber cafe in delhi is closing, so it will have to wait till tomorrow. ys pda

Dear Mrs. Moore I found several other references, but can't post the url's until I have logged in 15 posts. Catch you then. ys pda

<CENTER>Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Sri Advaitacarya </CENTER><CENTER>Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 1.13 </CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER> Srila Prabhupada: Bingo. (laughter) Yes. So this is maya. And our declaration of war with maya -- no intoxication, no meat-eating, no bingo -- (laughter) these are our declaration of war. So we have to fight in that way because nobody can understand Krsna without being free from all sinful activities. These are sinful activities. Therefore it is acarya's business to stop these nonsense activities. Otherwise they'll not be able to understand, especially the meat-eaters. They cannot understand. Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanad bhavausadhi chrotra-mano 'bhiramat, ka uttamasloka-gunanuvadat puman virajyeta vina pasughnat. Unless one is very expert in killing animals, he's not bereft from Krsna consciousness. That means one who is very expert in killing, he cannot understand. Therefore Christ also said, “Thou shall not kill”, the first business. Nobody will be able if one is a killer of animal, small or big, ultimately killer of his own children, killer of his own self. The killing process is so nice that it goes up to the point of killing one's children. That is now happening. Killing business has so expanded that they are killing their own children. Just see the influence of Kali-yuga. The children, they take shelter of the father and mother, thinking very safe. Now, in this Kali-yuga, even there is no safety under the care of father and mother. Just see how this material civilization is progressing. Very, very dangerous. Kalau nasta-drsam. Therefore that Bhagavata verse is there, krsnesvadhamopagate dharma-jnanadibhih, kalau nasta-drsam puranarko 'dhunoditam. Very, very abominable condition in this age of Kali, very, very. It is the beginning of Kali. Now we have to pass through 427,000's of years. Kali-yuga will make progress in that way. And people are now practicing eating their children, and at the end of Kali there will be no food available. They'll... They have to eat the children just like the snakes do. The snake eat their own children. There are many animals; they eat their own children. So don't try to repeat your birth again and again in this Kali-yuga. It will be not very happy life. Better sacrifice everything in this life and be fully Krsna conscious and go back to home, back to Godhead. Don't wait for the next life. This is very seriously repeated, that “This life I shall finish my Krsna consciousness business”, and, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, that Krsna consciousness business means to understand Krsna rightly. And He's explaining Himself rightly. Where is the difficulty to finish the Krsna consciousness business? If Krsna is explaining Himself, what He is, then where is your difficulty? Krsna is explaining Himself in the Bhagavad-gita, Krsna is sending His representative acarya to teach you and Krsna is within yourself trying to teach you if you are actually serious. Then where is the difficulty? Inside, outside, always, books, knowledge -- He is prepared. . . ."

Dear Mrs. Moore Greetings. Thank you for your question. When the sages of Naimasharanya asked Suta Gosvami a list of questions found in their discussion in the first canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam. he responded to them that their questions were glorious, because their answers would benefit the entire world. In Srimad Bhagavatam and Srila Prabhupada's vanih there are some descriptions of what will happen at the end of kali yuga. I will look up the references for you and post them as I find them. One thing I remember is that His Divine Grace said that rain will stop falling due to lack of any yajna. The daivas (demigods) will more or less abandon this earthly planet.All the water will dry up, there will be no possibility of growing crops, grains and sugar will vanish and people will be forced to eat only flesh and may even degrade to cannibalism. Things will get very bad.

And we can understand that the the kali yuga that Srila Prabhupada refers to in this next purport, is not necessarily the one we are in. Some people like to quote this purport in an effort to contradict any idea that kalki does not appear when Mahaprabhu does. One devotee I know was so thrown by the apparant contradiction that he could not keep faith with his siksa guru and had lots of confusion as a result. As Buddha appears differently in different kali yugas, as explained in the purport posted by guest. Kalki may come in any kali yuga or not,as He desires. TEXT 2 <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> TEXT <o:p></o:p> jato rucer ajanayat suyaman suyajna akuti-sunur amaran atha daksinayam loka-trayasya mahatim aharad yad artim svayambhuvena manuna harir ity anuktah <o:p></o:p> SYNONYMS <o:p></o:p> jatah--was born; ruceh--of the wife of Prajapati; ajanayat--gave birth; suyaman--headed by Suyama; suyajnah--Suyajna; akuti-sunuh--of the son of Akuti; amaran--the demigods; atha--thus; daksinayam--unto the wife of the name Daksina; loka--the planetary systems; trayasya--of the three; mahatim--very great; aharat--diminished; yat--all those; artim--distresses; svayambhuvena--by the Manu named Svayambhuva; manuna--by the father of mankind; harih--Hari; iti--thus; anuktah--named. <o:p></o:p> TRANSLATION <o:p></o:p> The Prajapati first begot Suyajna, in the womb of his wife Akuti, and then Suyajna begot demigods, headed by Suyama, in the womb of his wife Daksina. Suyajna, as the Indradeva, diminished very great miseries in the three planetary systems [upper, lower and intermediate], and because he so diminished the miseries of the universe, he was later called Hari by the great father of mankind, namely Svayambhuva Manu. <o:p></o:p> PURPORT <o:p></o:p> In order to guard against the invention of unauthorized incarnations of God by the fanciful, less intelligent persons, the name of the father of the bona fide incarnation is also mentioned in the authorized revealed scriptures. No one, therefore, can be accepted as an incarnation of the Lord if his father's name, as well as the name of the village or place in which he appears, is not mentioned by the authorized scriptures. In the Bhagavata Purana the name of the Kalki incarnation, which is to take place in almost four hundred thousand years, is mentioned along with the name of His father and the name of the village in which He will appear. A sane man, therefore, does not accept any cheap edition of an incarnation without reference to the authorized scriptures. <o:p></o:p> SB 2.7.2 I found another reference with a google search, but am not sure which canto it is from. Nevertheless: TEXT 19 <o:p></o:p> TEXT <o:p></o:p> dvaipayano bhagavan aprabodhad buddhas tu pasanda-gana-pramadat kalkih kaleh kala-malat prapatu dharmavanayoru-krtavatarah <o:p></o:p> SYNONYMS <o:p></o:p> dvaipayanah--Srila Vyasadeva, the giver of all Vedic knowledge; bhagavan--the most powerful incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; aprabodhat--from ignorance of the sastra; buddhah tu--also Lord Buddha; pasanda-gana--of atheists creating disillusionment for innocent persons; pramadat--from the madness; kalkih--Lord Kalki, the incarnation of Kesava; kaleh--of this Kali-yuga; kala-malat--from the darkness of the age; prapatu--may He protect; dharma-avanaya--for the protection of religious principles; uru--very great; krta-avatarah--who took an incarnation. <o:p></o:p> TRANSLATION <o:p></o:p> May the Personality of Godhead in His incarnation as Vyasadeva protect me from all kinds of ignorance resulting from the absence of Vedic knowledge. May Lord Buddhadeva protect me from activities opposed to Vedic principles and from laziness that causes one to madly forget the Vedic principles of knowledge and ritualistic action. May Kalkideva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who appeared as an incarnation to protect religious principles, protect me from the dirt of the age of Kali. <o:p></o:p> PURPORT <o:p></o:p> This verse mentions various incarnations of the Supreme Personality of Godhead who appear for various purposes. Srila Vyasadeva, Mahamuni, compiled the Vedic literature for the benefit of all human society. If one wants to be protected from the reactions of ignorance even in this age of Kali, one may consult the books left by Srila Vyasadeva, Upanisads, Vedanta-sutra (Brahma-sutra), Mahabharata, Srimad-Bhagavatam Maha-purana (Vyasadeva's commentary on the Brahma-sutra) and the other seventeen Puranas. Only by the mercy of Srila Vyasadeva do we have so many volumes of transcendental knowledge to save us from the clutches of ignorance. As described by Srila Jayadeva Gosvami in his Dasavatara-stotra, Lord Buddha apparently decried the Vedic knowledge: <o:p></o:p> nindasi yajna-vidher ahaha sruti-jatam sadaya-hrdaya-darsita-pasu-ghatam kesava dhrta-buddha-sarira jaya jagad-isa hare <o:p></o:p> The mission of Lord Buddha was to save people from the abominable activity of animal killing and to save the poor animals from being unnecessarily killed. When pasandis were cheating by killing animals on the plea of sacrificing them in Vedic yajnas, the Lord said, "If the Vedic injunctions allow animal killing, I do not accept the Vedic principles." Thus he actually saved people who acted according to Vedic principles. One should therefore surrender to Lord Buddha so that he can help one avoid misusing the injunctions of the Vedas. The Kalki avatara is the fierce incarnation who vanquishes the class of the atheists born in this age of Kali. Now, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, many irreligious principles are in effect, and as Kali-yuga advances, many pseudo religious principles will certainly be introduced, and people will forget the real religious principles enunciated by Lord Krsna before the beginning of Kali-yuga, namely principles of surrender unto the lotus feet of the Lord. Unfortunately, because of Kali-yuga, foolish people do not surrender to the lotus feet of Krsna. Even most people who claim to belong to the Vedic system of religion are actually opposed to the Vedic principles. Every day they manufacture a new type of dharma on the plea that whatever one manufactures is also a path of liberation. Atheistic men generally say, yata mata tata patha. According to this view, there are hundreds and thousands of different opinions in human society, and each opinion is a valid religious principle. This philosophy of rascals has killed the religious principles mentioned in the Vedas, and such philosophies will become increasingly influential as Kali-yuga progresses. In the last stage of Kali-yuga, Kalkideva, the fierce incarnation of Kesava, will descend to kill all the atheists and will save only the devotees of the Lord. SB 8.19

That is correct. And Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu comes once every day of Brahma, after Svayam Bhagavana Sri Krsna manifests his lila in vrndavana, mathura and dvaraka. Srila Prabhupada explains when Sri Krsna manifests in the purport to Bg. Ch 4.7 ". . . the Lord appears on schedule, namely at the end of the Dvapara-yuga of the twenty-eighth millennium of the eighth Manu in one day of Brahma." <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>

[There were about 200 devotees from Australia and other parts of the world gathered in Cessnok, Australia to observe Sri Nityananda Prabhu's Appearance Day celebration. Srila Narayana Maharaja also came to the temple because of the festival, otherwise he usually spent his mornings dictating his translation and commentary of Srila Rupa Gosvami's Sri Ujjvala Nilamani.] [Devotees sing the bhajana, 'Nitai Guna Mani Amara'] [srila Narayana Maharaja:] What is the meaning of abaddha karuna-sindhu nitai katiya muhan? [Premananda dasa:] Nityananda Prabhu has broken open the storehouse of love of God and He's freely distributing it everywhere. [srila Narayana Maharaja:] Very good. [sripad Asrama Maharaja:] The ocean of mercy was closed, and Lord Nityananda broke it open and made a channel by which this love and mercy could be distributed. [srila Narayana Maharaja:] How? [sripad Asrama Maharaja:] He went from house to house. [srila Narayana Maharaja:] What is the meaning of ghare ghare bule prema? [sripad Asrama Maharaja:] Door to door. [srila Narayana Maharaja:] Who went door to door? [sripad Asrama Maharaja:] Lord Nityananda. [srila Narayana Maharaja:] The meaning is hidden. Prema (love) was going door to door, like a flood. [sripad Madhava Maharaja:] Abaddha karuna-sindhu katiya muhan ghare ghare bule prema-amiyar ban. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu brought krsna-prema from Goloka Vrndavana, but there was a dam in the river of that love and the water was blocked. If a dam is somehow or other broken, water will come very forcefully and flood everywhere. Similarly, being causelessly merciful, Nityananda Prabhu broke the dam which was blocking the water. The water of prema then came very quickly, like a flood. During a flood, water will move here and there. There will be no need of making a canal or channel to take water here and there, for it will overflow automatically. Similarly, prema was now moving, here, there and everywhere, like amiyar ban, a flood of nectar [srila Narayana Maharaja:] Nityananda Prabhu broke the blockage, and the ocean of love was then free to come to this world, everywhere, door to door What is that prema? Sacinandana Gaurahari is Himself unnatojjvala prema, and He brought unnatojjvala rasam sva-bhakti-sriyam (service to Srimati Radhika as Her maidservant). Nityananda Prabhu is the embodiment of Caitanya Mahaprabhu's complete mercy. Guru is the condensed mercy of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and Nityananada Prabhu is the complete and undivided guru-tattva. That mercy was somehow blocked, but He requested Caitanya Mahaprabhu to give His love and affection to everyone. We see this now, everywhere in this universe, and because of this, there will be no Kalki Avatara in this Kali-yuga from: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=Title align=middle>The Appearance Day Of Sri Nityananda Prabhu</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <HR><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=110 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></B> Cessnock, Australia Feb. 25, 2002 Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja

<CENTER>No Kalki Avatar in this Kali Yuga </CENTER><CENTER>by Srimati Jadurani devi dasi [syamarani didi] </CENTER>I first met Srila Narayana Maharaj about seven years ago, at the Rupa Sanatana Gaudiya Math, his temple near Seva Kunja in Vrndavan. Since that time I'd always strongly felt Srila Prabhupada's presence when ever I met Srila Maharaja. His answers to any of my questions seemed as brilliant and astounding as those of Srila Prabhupada, and everything he said gave me new insight into Srila Prabhupada's books. After several meetings with him, therefore, I was so overwhelmed that I asked him, "Can I understand that when you tell me something, that it is Srila Prabhupada telling me through you?" With a soft smile he answered, "if you have got that faith." And daily my faith became stronger and stronger. One thing he said, however, I couldn't reconcile. Srila Maharaja mentioned a few times that in this age of Kali, Kalki avatar doesn't come. Maharaja would quote Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, who had said that "because Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu came in this particular Kali Yuga, this Kali Yuga is called Dhanya Kali, blessed Kali." Although in other Kali Yugas Kalki does come, in this one He doesn't. On one hand I had no doubts in Srila Maharaj, but on the other hand I still could not reconcile the apparent difference in Srila Prabhupada's statement. For years I had been hearing the cassette tape of Srila Prabhupada singing "Sri Dasavatar-Stotram" by Sri Jayadeva Goswami, " Kesava! dhrta-Kalki-sarira jaya jadadisa hare." Then, in his purport to the song, Srila Prabhupada had explained that at the end of Kali Yuga there will be no preaching because people will be too degraded and sinful to understand Krsna Conscious philosophy. So Kalki comes, not to preach, but to kill all the sinners and usher in the next Satya Yuga. In a humble way I told this to Srila Maharaj and he answered, "Not in this Kali Yuga. He won't come. But if he comes, no harm; he will be raising his arms and chanting 'Hari Bol! Hari Bol!' in Mahaprabhu's sankirtan movement." So I let it go. I had faith in both Srila Prabhupada and Srila Maharaja. Diksa Guru and Siksa Guru are one. Srila Prabhupada is both my diksa and siksa guru and Srila Maharaja is my siksa guru. I knew that when Srila Prabhupada wanted to, he would show me how to reconcile the apparent contradiction. Later, in studying one of our Gaudiya Vaisnava songs, Ke Jabi Ke Jabi Bhai, by Srila Locan dasa Thakura, I read, "dhanya kali-yugera caitanya-avatar," that is, Sri Caitanya-Avatara is the good fortune (dhanya) of this Kali Yuga (He does not come in every Kali Yuga. He comes as the Yuga Avatara of Kali Yuga only once in a day of Lord Brahma, that is, once every 2,000 Kali Yugas.) This convinced me, but still, I had a desire to hear more from Srila Prabhupada himself, since according to my memory, I'd previously heard the opposite from him. Then, about two months ago, on a casual reading of Caitanya Caritamrta, I found it in Madhya Lila chapter six, in the discussions between Sarvabauma Battacarya and Gopinatha Acarya. Srila Prabhupada was quoting Gopinatha Acharya, "in this age of Kali there is no lila avatar of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore He is triyuga. That is one of His holy names." In the purport, Kalki is mentioned as the last of the twenty-five Lila Avatars. At the end of the purport, Prabhupada wrote: "Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not mentioned as a lila avatar because he is an incarnation in disguise (channa avatar). In this age of Kali there are no lila avatars, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad Bhagavatam." At this point I turned to Srimad Bhagavatam, first canto chapter three. There Prabhupada had written that Kalki will come after 427,000 years. Did that mean Srila Prabhupada contradicted himself?. No, of course not. Everything is reconciled. Kalki (and all other incarnations) come in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This is confirmed in Caitanya Caritamrta (Adi Lila 4.5-16). These verses explain how, just as all incarnations come in Krsna's body when he descends, so Lord Caitanya, is also Krsna Himself, and the same applies to Him "When the complete Supreme Personality of Godhead descends, all other incarnations meet together within Him." There were many other instances where I could understand by Srila Narayana Maharaja's association that I had so little understanding of Srila Prabhupada. Srila Maharaja has been giving me a deeper understanding. He is always showing me the glory of Srila Prabhupada, that he is coming in the line Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, Srila Locan dasa Thakur, Sri Krsna das Kaviraja, Srila Rupa Goswami, and ultimately Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who came to give what no other incarnation or acharya gave for a long time--since the last time Lord Caitanya came--in the previous day of Brahma. Even with Srila Prabhupada's words in front of me for the last thirty-two years, being a conditioned soul, I can not understand him fully. Of course, "it takes one to know one." Only a Maha-bhagavata can understand the mood and siddhanta of another Maha-bhagavata. And only he can help the conditioned souls understand.

Cc. Madhya lila Chapter 6 TEXT 99 <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> TEXT <o:p></o:p> kali-yuge lilavatara na kare bhagavan ataeva 'tri-yuga' kari' kahi tara nama <o:p></o:p> SYNONYMS <o:p></o:p> kali-yuge--in this Age of Kali; lila-avatara--a pastime incarnation; na--not; kare--does; bhagavan--the Supreme Personality of Godhead; ataeva--therefore; tri-yuga--of the name Triyuga (manifested in three yugas); kari'--accepting; kahi--I say; tara nama--His holy name. <o:p></o:p> TRANSLATION <o:p></o:p> "In this Age of Kali there is no lila-avatara of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names." <o:p></o:p> PURPORT <o:p></o:p> A lila-avatara is an incarnation of the Lord who performs a variety of activities without making any special endeavor. He always has one pastime after another, all full of transcendental pleasure, and these pastimes are fully controlled by the Supreme Person. The Supreme Person is totally independent of all others in these pastimes. While teaching Sanatana Gosvami (Cc. Madhya 20.296-298), Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu pointed out that one cannot count the number of lila-avataras: <o:p></o:p> lilavatara krsnera na yaya ganana pradhana kariya kahi dig-darasana <o:p></o:p> "However," the Lord told Sanatana, "I shall explain the chief lila-avataras." <o:p></o:p> matsya, kurma, raghunatha, nrsimha, vamana varahadi----lekha yanra na yaya ganana <o:p></o:p> Thus the Lord's incarnations were enumerated, including Matsya, the fish incarnation; Kurma, the tortoise; Lord Ramacandra; Nrsimhadeva; Vamanadeva; and Varaha, the boar incarnation. Thus there are innumerable lila-avataras, and all of these exhibit wonderful pastimes. Lord Varaha, the boar incarnation, lifted the entire planet earth from the depths of the Garbhodaka Ocean. The tortoise incarnation, Lord Kurma, became a pivot for the emulsification of the whole sea, and Lord Nrsimhadeva appeared as half-man, half-lion. These are some of the wonderful and uncommon features of lila-avataras. In his book Laghu-bhagavatamrta, Srila Rupa Gosvami has enumerated the following twenty-five lila-avataras: Catuh-sana, Narada, Varaha, Matsya, Yajna, Nara-Narayana, Kapila, Dattatreya, Hayasirsa (Hayagriva), Hamsa, Prsnigarbha, Rsabha, Prthu, Nrsimha, Kurma, Dhanvantari, Mohini, Vamana, Parasurama, Raghavendra, Vyasa, Balarama, Krsna, Buddha and Kalki. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not mentioned as a lila-avatara because He is an incarnation in disguise (channa-avatara). In this Age of Kali there are no lila-avataras, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Srila B.V. NarayanaMaharaja gave a lecture explaining the same point. When I find that reference I will also post it. Also, Jadurani dasi wrote an article which is posted on my website, The Bhaktivedanta Memorial library found on the "contemporary disciples page" The title of the short article is: <CENTER>No Kalki Avatar in this Kali Yuga </CENTER><CENTER>by Srimati Jadurani devi dasi [syamarani didi] </CENTER>on the contemporary disciples' page. I can't post the url since I haven't posted 15 times under a newly registrated name, so I will cut and paste it for you all to examine.

There is a quote in Srila Prabhupada's Cc. that explains how Kalki does not manifest in the same Kali Yuga when Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu does. When I find the particular purport I will post it. I am ina cyber cafe in Pahar Ganga and don't have unlimitedtime to research it. I will check for the reference when I have sufficient time and get back to you all. your servant, puru das, das anudas