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  1. An old thread. But anyway, other people will still come here and read out of curiousity. This may sound odd to the majority of the people that are into spiritualism ,such as the Vedas. But I am one of those who have attained Moksha. It's nothing weird about it, everyone can do it. It doesn't mean that you suddenly have to look like or act like a very old guru from India when this has happend to you; you are still free to do what ever you want and your personality is still the same after this experience. And you know what. I attained it without even reading one page of any of the Vedic litterature =O How is this even possible? I just discovered the way to Moksha by my self; like a scientist discovered the atomic structure and wrote it down in a journal so other people could discover it in no time without to walk the long road; but it doesn't say that it is impossible for them to discover the structure of the atome without his journal. Veda as I see it, is just a tool to reach stages without to get lost, so you don't have to look under every stone to find something spiritual; it's a giant map with a compase to many places. For me I was just lucky to find Moksha, its like I was stubble on a root in the forest and found 1 million dollar, the person who put it there may be a criminal and drew a map to his partner so he could easily find it where it is; without the map he could wonder around for thousends of years and not find it, but sooner or later he would somehow find it - if he could live that long. But this is what we have the books for, so we don't have to stubble around for milleniums to find what we are seeking for. And noone should rely on me that you can be lucky as me to find Moksha in your lifetime without to read any of the Vedic litterature; the chances are even lesser to win the big jackpot on lottery. If one wins doesn't mean that you will be the very next lucky person to win it. It can take many thousends of years to win it. Why rely on that when you can get the numbers directly through the book? Because of this I have been kicked out from spiritual organizations, being ignored by them or they are thinking I'm a lier because they can't fit their interpretation of the Veda to fit my story exactly. But as I see it's a cause of their ignorents. People interpretend the Vedas in many different ways. The only way to validate my experience is to experience it by them self, then they can exactly know if my experience is authentic or not, because the experience will be exactly the same for anyone who attains it. I have been searching for people with exact authentic experience. Those who claimed that they have attained Moksha have after a while been shown that they really didn't attain it by time and some questioning; you can't get fooled when you have the real experience by yourself. But for the people who have not attained Moksha would easily fall into their falsely claimed attainment. That is the problem we have everywhere. There is no way to eliminate them, so you have to trust yourself when you choose any guru. If the gurus instructions doesn't lead you anywhere than it can be time to consider if you should change guru. If there are any questions, just ask. If there are people out there who have attained Moksha are welcome to talk to me. So far I haven't found anyone who authentically achived the same thing. I can give detailed information about how to attain it, and those who sincerely follow my instructions will achieve it - no doubts. There is only one way to the spiritual singularity; the method can differ from one to another, but the way is the same. We all works in the same way, there is no difference between the quality of one soul to another. If I could transfere this information to the physicists, make them to experience it, I wonder what could lead to. I think this is a importain pieace which can make the spiritualism acceptible for the material scientists. Moksha can't be measured by a material instrument, it can only be experienced within your heart, and the heart is the gate way through the material world to the spiritual realm and no material energies has no place in this spiritual effulgence. So if you are a physicist, you are much welcome to empty my self of all the knowledge I have about this experience.
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