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  1. Hare Krishna,


    First thing , It's almost impossible for a non-hindu to comprehend Varna dharma of Hindus . Varna dharma was created not to lower shudras . It was created to preserve social purity and veda .


    Adi shankara was certainly right . Because he was the knower and master all shastras . He proved all his bhashya according to scriptural quotes . Many vedic scriptures support varna by birth . I will give you some proofs from Bhagavata Purana .


    Proofs from Bhagvata Purana :


    Shudra are not allowed to hear veda :


       " Shudra and Women are not allowed to hear veda . So vyasa created the mahabharata and ithihasa. " ( Bhagavata purana 1.4.25 )



    Varna is by birth :


    Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas are very near to Shri Hari’s feet by virtue of their birth and Vedic ceremonies .( Bhagavata purana 11.5.5. )


    The Lord tells Srideva in Srimad Bhagavata (10.86.53):

    " brahmano janmana sreyan sarvesam praninam iha
    tapasa vidyaya tustya kim u mat kalaya yutah "

    "The brahmana is superior to all living beings by birth , let alone when he is austere, learned, content and devoted to Me."




    In order to know real meaning of vedas & its "real" essence, we shouldnt read vedas as translated by so called "MAX muller's or other westerners". These westerners are ordinary people who dunno anything about God.


    Pranam... Hare Krishna Hari..


    I totally agree ! Veda is not an ordinary scripture which can be translated by any top and harry. Only Dvija is allowed to learn or hear Veda .


     Vedas don't describe about personal form of god . Vedas are interested in original nature of gods , which they call Nirakara Bramhan . In entire veda , they sing glory of Nirguna and Narakara Bramhan.


    Now the question , does veda accept krishna as supreme god ? 


    Yes , vishnu is supreme god . Besides veda glorifies Bhagavan shiva too . In puranas too , both shiva and krishna are mentioned as supreme gods . Sages instructs us that there is no any difference between Hari and Hara . Bhagavata Purana says the same.


    So my dear friends , they don't have any doubt about unity of Hari and shiva . They both are same . Although they have different forms , only wise people can see them as one all-pervading truth, parabramhan .


    ( ekam sad Vipro Bahudha Vadanti - Rig Veda- Truth is one , sages call it by different names like krishna ,shiva , ganesha , durga etc )


    Hari Krishna Hari Hari......

  3. Shri Krishna is the founder of Hindu vaidik dharma. Vedik or santana dharma words are not mentioned in any scripture , as a perticular set of belief or religion . However Hindu/sindu is much older than vaidik or sanatana dharma .


    In the form sindhu, Hindu word is mentioned in many shastras.


    In Bhagavata Purana , " Sindhu Desha " is mentioned . It is referred to the North Bharatavarsha. ( India) . Probably Hindu word came from it.




    Besides , Hindu is not the effect of persian practice . Because both S and H are found in persian languages . This change of H from S has no any proper proof .


    Hindu is formed with a close connection with bharatavarsha .


    Hindus themselves created the Hindu word .


    Hindu word is derived from geological condiction of bharatavarsha . In puranas , Bharatavarsha is described as a region between Himalaya and Bindu water ( South ocean ) . Hindu word is formed by joining Hi of Himalaya and Indu of Bindu ocean .


    Brahman is One, man-father-mother

    , in infinite Peace Supreme , HE is The Primordial Eternal in blue sky ... without stars, HE IS ALL


    Krishna, Vishnu, Siva are perfect expansions primary


    Pranam , You are right ... But most sectarian people don't understand this hidden meaning of shastras..


    All the Vedas and BHAGAVATHAM confirm that LORD KRISHNA IS GOD...even LORD KRISHNA himself says that..HE IS SUPERIOR TO ALL and NO ONE IS EQUAL OR GREATER TO HIM....Moreover..LORD SHIVA NEVER SAID THAT HE IS GOD...Not only..lord shiva..no one except LORD KRISHNA said that they are god...We can clearly conclude that LORD KRISHNA is only controller of everything...


    Hare Krishna Prabhu ,


    You are saying this as if you have read all puranas and veda. Have you read veda ? Have you read bhagavata purana ? Have you read shiva purana ?


    Veda vyasa was the sage who wrote all puranas wherein he stated both shiva and vishnu as supreme gods . Both vishnu and shiva are non-different . According to bhagavata purana , ramayana and varaha purana , those who sees difference between shiva and vishnu never attain vishnu or shiva.


    In bhagavata purana too , shiva and vishnu both are mentioned as supreme gods and of the form of parabramhan .


    Now I am going to show how shiva is supreme according to Bhagavata Purana :


    Taking refuge in Lord Shiva, the saviour


    SB 8.7.19: O King, when that uncontrollable poison was forcefully spreading up and down in all directions, all the demigods, along with the Lord Himself, approached Lord Śiva [sadāśiva]. Feeling unsheltered and very much afraid, they sought shelter of him.


    SB 8.7.20: The demigods observed Lord Śiva sitting on the summit of Kailāsa Hill with his wife, Bhavānī, for the auspicious development of the three worlds. He was being worshiped by great saintly persons desiring liberation. The demigods offered him their obeisances and prayers with great respect.


    SB 8.7.21: The prajāpatis said: O , Mahādeva, Supersoul of all living entities and cause of their happiness and prosperity, we have come to the shelter of your lotus feet. Now please save us from this fiery poison, which is spreading all over the three worlds.


    Shiva, the creator


    SB 8.7.22: O lord, you are the cause of bondage and liberation of the entire universe because you are its ruler. Those who are advanced in spiritual consciousness surrender unto you, and therefore you are the cause of mitigating their distresses, and you are also the cause of their liberation. We therefore worship Your Lordship.



    SB 8.7.23: O lord, you are self-effulgent and supreme. You create this material world by your personal energy, and you assume the names Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara when you act in creation, maintenance and annihilation.

    SB 8.7.24: You are the cause of all causes, the self-effulgent, inconceivable, Brahman, which is originally Parabrahman. You manifest various potencies in this cosmic manifestation.


    Shiva as source of OM


    SB 8.7.25: O lord, you are the original source of Vedic literature. You are the original cause of material creation, the life force, the senses, the five elements, the three modes and the mahat-tattva. You are eternal time, determination and the two religious systems called truth [satya] and truthfulness [ṛta]. You are the shelter of the syllable oḿ, which consists of three letters a-u-m.


    Universe is inside Shiva


    SB 8.7.26: O father of all planets, learned scholars know that fire is your mouth, the surface of the globe is your lotus feet, eternal time is your movement, all the directions are your ears, and Varuṇa, master of the waters, is your tongue.


    Shiva Stuti


    SB 8.7.27: O lord, the sky is your navel, the air is your breathing, the sun is your eyes, and the water is your semen. You are the shelter of all kinds of living entities, high and low. The god of the moon is your mind, and the upper planetary system is your head.


    SB 8.7.28: O lord, you are the three Vedas personified. The seven seas are your abdomen, and the mountains are your bones. All drugs, creepers and vegetables are the hairs on your body, the Vedic mantras like Gāyatrī are the seven layers of your body, and the Vedic religious system is the core of your heart.


    SB 8.7.29: O lord, the five important Vedic mantras are represented by your five faces, from which the thirty-eight most celebrated Vedic mantras have been generated. Your Lordship, being celebrated as Lord Śiva, is self-illuminated. You are directly situated as the supreme truth, known as Paramātmā.


    SB 8.7.30: O lord, your shadow is seen in irreligion, which brings about varieties of irreligious creations. The three modes of nature — goodness, passion and ignorance — are your three eyes. All the Vedic literatures, which are full of verses, are emanations from you because their compilers wrote the various scriptures after receiving your glance.


    Shiva, the Brahman


    SB 8.7.31: O Lord Girīśa, since the  Brahman  is transcendental to the material modes of goodness, passion and ignorance, the various directors of this material world certainly cannot appreciate it or even know where it is. It is not understandable even to Lord Brahmā, Lord Viṣṇu or the King of heaven, Mahendra.


    Shiva, The destroyer


    SB 8.7.32: When annihilation is performed by the flames and sparks emanating from your eyes, the entire creation is burned to ashes. Nonetheless, you do not know how this happens. What then is to be said of your destroying the Dakṣa-yaj�a, Tripurāsura and the kālakūṭa poison? Such activities cannot be subject matters for prayers offered to you.


    Shiva Stuti


    SB 8.7.33: Exalted, self-satisfied persons who preach to the entire world think of your lotus feet constantly within their hearts. However, when persons who do not know your austerity see you moving with Umā, they misunderstand you to be lusty, or when they see you wandering in the crematorium they mistakenly think that you are ferocious and envious. Certainly they are shameless. They cannot understand your activities.


    SB 8.7.34: Even personalities like Lord Brahmā and other demigods cannot understand your position, for you are beyond the moving and nonmoving creation. Since no one can understand you in truth, how can one offer you prayers? It is impossible. As far as we are concerned, we are creatures of Lord Brahmā's creation. Under the circumstances, therefore, we cannot offer you adequate prayers, but as far as our ability allows, we have expressed our feelings.


    SB 8.7.35: O greatest of all rulers, your actual identity is impossible for us to understand. As far as we can see, your presence brings flourishing happiness to everyone. Beyond this, no one can appreciate your activities. We can see this much, and nothing more.


    SB 8.7.36: Śrīla Śukadeva Gosvāmī continued: Lord Śiva is always benevolent toward all living entities. When he saw that the living entities were very much disturbed by the poison, which was spreading everywhere, he was very compassionate. Thus he spoke to his eternal consort, Satī, as follows.


    SB 8.7.37: Lord Śiva said: My dear Bhavānī, just see how all these living entities have been placed in danger because of the poison produced from the churning of the ocean of milk.


    SB 8.7.38: It is my duty to give protection and safety to all living entities struggling for existence. Certainly it is the duty of the master to protect his suffering dependents.


    SB 8.7.39: People in general, being bewildered by the illusory energy, are always engaged in animosity toward one another. But devotees, even at the risk of their own temporary lives, try to save them.


    SB 8.7.40: My dear gentle wife Bhavānī, when one performs benevolent activities for others, Hari, is very pleased. And when the Lord is pleased, I am also pleased, along with all other living creatures. Therefore, let me drink this poison, for all the living entities may thus become happy because of me.


    SB 8.7.41: Śrīla Śukadeva Gosvāmī continued: After informing Bhavānī in this way, Lord Śiva began to drink the poison, and Bhavānī, who knew perfectly well the capabilities of Lord Śiva, gave him her permission to do so.


    SB 8.7.42: Thereafter, Lord Śiva, who is dedicated to auspicious, benevolent work for humanity, compassionately took the whole quantity of poison in his palm and drank it.


    SB 8.7.43: As if in defamation, the poison born from the ocean of milk manifested its potency by marking Lord Śiva's neck with a bluish line. That line, however, is now accepted as an ornament of the Lord.


    SB 8.7.44: It is said that great personalities almost always accept voluntary suffering because of the suffering of people in general. This is considered the highest method of worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is present in everyone's heart.


    SB 8.7.45: Upon hearing of this act, everyone, including Bhavānī [the daughter of Mahārāja Dakṣa], Lord Brahmā, Lord Viṣṇu, and the people in general, very highly praised this deed performed by Lord Śiva, who is worshiped by the demigods and who bestows benedictions upon the people.


    SB 8.7.46: Scorpions, cobras, poisonous drugs and other animals whose bites are poisonous took the opportunity to drink whatever little poison had fallen and scattered from Lord Śiva's hand while he was drinking.


    SB 4.4.11: The blessed goddess said: Lord Siva is the most beloved of all living entities. He has no rival. No one is very dear to him, and no one is his enemy. No one but you could be envious of such a universal being, who is free from all enmity.


    SB 4.4.12: Twice-born Daksha, a man like you can simply find fault in the qualities of others. Lord Siva, however, not only finds no faults with others' qualities, but if someone has a little good quality, he magnifies it greatly. Unfortunately, you have found fault with such a great soul.


    SB 4.6.35: The demigods saw Lord Siva situated in his perfection as the master of the senses, knowledge, fruitive activities and the path of achieving perfection. He was the friend of the entire world, and by virtue of his full affection for everyone, he was very auspicious.


    SB 4.6.36: He was seated on a deerskin and was practicing all forms of austerity. Because his body was smeared with ashes, he looked like an evening cloud. On his hair was the sign of a half-moon, a symbolic representation.


    SB 4.6.37: He was seated on a straw mattress and speaking to all present, including the great sage Narada, to whom he specifically spoke about the Absolute Truth.


    SB 4.6.38: His left leg was placed on his right thigh, and his left hand was placed on his left thigh. In his right hand he held rudraksha beads. This sitting posture is called virasana. He sat in the virasana posture, and his finger was in the mode of argument.


    SB 4.6.39: All the sages and demigods, headed by Indra, offered their respectful obeisances unto Lord Siva with folded hands. Lord Siva was dressed in saffron garments and absorbed in trance, thus appearing to be the foremost of all sages.


    SB 4.6.40: Lord Siva's lotus feet were worshiped by both the demigods and demons, but still, in spite of his exalted position, as soon as he saw that LordBrahma was there among all the other demigods, he immediately stood up and offered him respect by bowing down and touching his lotus feet, just as Vamanadeva offered His respectful obeisances to Kasyapa Muni.


    SB 4.6.41: All the sages who were sitting with Lord Siva, such as Narada and others, also offered their respectful obeisances to Lord Brahma. After being so worshiped, Lord Brahma, smiling, began to speak to Lord Siva.


    SB 4.6.42: Lord Brahma said: My dear Lord Siva, I know that you are the controller of the entire material manifestation, the combination father and mother of the cosmic manifestation, and the Supreme Brahman beyond the cosmic manifestation as well. I know you in that way.


    SB 4.6.43: My dear lord, you create this cosmic manifestation, maintain it, and annihilate it by expansion of your personality, exactly as a spider creates, maintains and winds up its web.


    SB 4.6.44: My dear lord, Your Lordship has introduced the system of sacrifices through the agency of Daksha, and thus one may derive the benefits of religious activities and economic development. Under your regulative principles, the institution of the four varnas and asramas is respected. The brahmanas therefore vow to follow this system strictly.


    SB 4.6.45: O most auspicious lord, you have ordained the heavenly planets, the spiritual Vaikuntha planets and the impersonal Brahman sphere as the respective destinations of the performers of auspicious activities. Similarly, for others, who are miscreants, you have destined different kinds of hells which are horrible and ghastly. Yet sometimes it is found that their destinations are just the opposite. It is very difficult to ascertain the cause of this.


    SB 4.6.46: My dear Lord, devotees who have fully dedicated their lives unto your lotus feet certainly observe your presence as Paramatma in each and every being, and as such they do not differentiate between one living being and another. Such persons treat all living entities equally. They never become overwhelmed by anger like animals, who can see nothing without differentiation.


    Shiva Advaita - Shiva is one, there is no second


    SB 4.6.47: Persons who observe everything with differentiation, who are simply attached to fruitive activities, who are mean minded, who are always pained to see the flourishing condition of others and who thus give distress to them by uttering harsh and piercing words have already been killed by providence. Thus there is no need for them to be killed again by an exalted personality like you.


    SB 4.6.48: My dear lord, if in some places materialists, who are already bewildered by the insurmountable illusory energy, sometimes commit offenses, a saintly person, with compassion, does not take this seriously. Knowing that they commit offenses because they are overpowered by the illusory energy, he does not show his prowess to counteract them.


    SB 4.6.49: My dear lord, you are never bewildered by the formidable influence of the illusory energy, Maya.Therefore you are omniscient and should be merciful and compassionate toward those who are bewildered by the same illusory energy and are very much attached to fruitive activities.


    Note: Ignore the purport biggrin.gif


    Shiva Advaita


    SB 8.12.8: My dear Lord, Your Lordship alone is the cause and the effect. Therefore, although You appear to be two, You are the absolute one. As there is no difference between the gold of a golden ornament and the gold in a mine, there is no difference between cause and effect; both of them are the same. Only because of ignorance do people concoct differences and dualities. You are free from material contamination, and since the entire cosmos is caused by You and cannot exist without You, it is an effect of Your transcendental qualities.


    ekas tvam eva sad asad dvayam advayam ca

    svarnam kritakritam iveha na vastu-bhedah

    ajnanatas tvayi janair vihito vikalpo

    yasmad guna-vyatikaro nirupadhikasya




    ekah -- the only one; tvam -- Your Lordship; eva -- indeed; sat -- which is existing, as the effect; asat -- which is nonexistent, as the cause; dvayam -- both of them; advayam -- without duality; ca -- and; svarnam -- gold; krita -- manufactured into different forms; akritam -- the original source of gold (the gold mine); iva -- like; iha -- in this world; na -- not; vastu-bhedah -- difference in the substance; ajnanatah -- only because of ignorance; tvayi -- unto You; janaih -- by the general mass of people; vihitah -- it should be done; vikalpah -- differentiation; yasmat -- because of; guna-vyatikarah -- free from the differences created by the material modes of nature; nirupadhikasya -- without any material designation.




    My dear Lord, Your Lordship alone is the cause and the effect. Therefore, although You appear to be two, You are the absolute one. As there is no difference between the gold of a golden ornament and the gold in a mine, there is no difference between cause and effect; both of them are the same. Only because of ignorance do people concoct differences and dualities. You are free from material contamination, and since the entire cosmos is caused by You and cannot exist without You, it is an effect of Your transcendental qualities.


    SB 8.12.9: Those who are known as the  Vedantists regard You as the Brahman. Others, known as the Mimamsaka philosophers, regard You as religion. The Sankhya philosophers regard You as the transcendental person who is beyond prakriti and purusha and who is the controller of even the demigods. The followers of the codes of devotional service known as the Pancaratras regard You as being endowed with nine different potencies. And the Patanjala philosophers, the followers of Patanjali Muni, regard You as the supreme independent Personality of Godhead, who has no equal or superior.



    So still do you have any doubt on unity of shiva and krishna ?






    Yes ...


    Besides , In anatma thinking , Thinking ourself as jiva is too included . One should see his self as an infinite atma not as a jiva . As long as multiplicity atma doesn't get vanished from mind , jiva remains in bondage forever ( From Bhagavata Puranaa )


    The main quality of Maya is that, it turns the attention of Jeeva away from its own Self bramhan and becoming very strong by the sense of duality always increases the triple aspects of illusion which are 1) The thing observed, (2) The act of observing and (3) the Observer –(conceived as three separate things) .


    When these three things get vanished , one realises his self as all-pervading truth . Although scriptures clearly states atma as bramhan , unity of atma and bramhan is remained a secret . The only reason is maya who forcefully make jiva to think that he is something different from world .


    Hari Krishna :smile: 

  7. First thing , In sanatana hindu dharma , worshippers of vishnu are much more than Shiva . Our vedic scriptures don't mention any distinction between vishnu and shiva . They both are manifestations of same bramhan . They both are complete bramhan . So worshipping vishnu is not different from worshipping shiva . Only topmost devotees understand this secret . Many ancient sages had realised that shiva and vishnu are one . In ramayana , lord rama himself says that he who worships him but don't worship shiva don't attain him ever . Bhagavan krishna and rama were topmost devotees of bhagavan shiva .


    And what about that interpolated verse ! It is certainly lie and that was propagated by some anti-advaitians , probably the so called vaishnawas,gaudiyas . :smile: You can read gaudiya's scripture " chaitanya charitamrita " wherein there are almost four chapters to insult advaitians . From this you would know how much they hate advaitians . Then is it possible that they can not interpolate less popular scripture garuda purana ? :wink:


    They are not real vaishnawas at all . Because a real vaishnawa never critisizes anyone ever.



    Hari krishna hari :103:

  8. No any vaishnawa accepts mohhamad as incarnation of Krishna. Our hindu's traditional vaishnawa acharyas like madhavacharya, vallabhacharya didn't even talk about that ordinary man .


    According Vedic scriptures , Mohhamed was incarnation of Tripurasura, who was asura (evil) .


    See this blog to know the truth of mohhamed.





    Hari shivam

  9. If you are a dvija , you should chant gayatri mantra otherwise just chant hari nama . Gayatri mantra is the seed of all veda .So it has much importance .


    If you do this , you will not remember even that sinful act . No doubt , the sin will get vanished immediatelly. First remove from your mind the idea that you are doer . Be satisfied in your omni-present atma.


    Just surrender to that infinite bramhan and know your self as that whole.


    Harihi Govinda


    Pranam ,


    In Hinduism ie In Vaishnawism , Carrot is certainly allowed to eat .


    While onion and garlic are included in Rajasic Foods and Carrot is certainly not one of them .


    It's better to avoid garlic and onion. But it is not must at all. Because no any scripture posits complete avoidance of onion or garlic for commom people . Complete avoidance of them is a rule only for progressed yogis.



    Narayana Hari

  11. Namaste , Here is my attempt to expose true philosophy of bhagavata purana.

    I salute to the lord ganesha and godess saraswati . I salute to the divine rukmini and Krishna !

    The highlighted points of this thread :

    * Secret of veda*
    * Aim of bhagavat purana or all shastras *
    * atman is bramhan. *
    * jiva merges in Krishna/atman *
    * Method of worship of Krishna *
    * Duality is an illusion ( path of duality is the support of sorrow) *
    * Who is bhagavata *
    * Relation between multiplicity of atma and inequality between gunas*
    * Jivahood is a false thing *
    * Atma has no bondage or liberation *
    * Who is ishwara *
    * There is nothing other than atman *
    * Some verses from uttara gita *

    Aim of all vedanta

    Sutaji said to the shaunak :

    “ sarvavedanta saram yadbramhatmaikatva lakshanam
    Vastwadwitiyam tannishtham kaivalaikaprayojanam “ ( 12.13.12)

    [ You have already know that the essence of all upanishadas is the the non-dual unity of atma and bramhan . Only this is the given subject of bhagavat purana . The aim of this ( bhagavat purana ) is “kaivalya moksha “ ( unity of atma-bramhan) only . ]


    Vedas are having three divisions. Finally, aiming at unity of Brahman and Atman. The sages are in the habit of writing indirectly and I also like indirect suggestive statements. ( BP 11.21.35)

    Vedas has three divisions dealing each with karma, Worship and Knowledge (Karma, Upasana, Dnyan) by which, through purity of mind, the soul reaches Brahman.
    Everything is nothing but Brahman. !
    Where is the division and where is the awareness of Unity or one-ness? What is the bondage and what is the freedom? There is total eternal bliss! And this is what the Vedas mean!
    If, however, this is clearly stated and taught to all, the core intention of Vedas to teach life of virtue to the people will be defeated and, therefore, Krishna has arranged to keep the unity of atma and bramhan hidden.
    This is the essence of the secret of Vedas and the store of hidden knowledge.

    Everyone is not eligible for thinking about unity of atma-bramhan knowledge. Great sages have considered this point and kept direct meaning hidden, giving expression only to the obvious meaning of encouragement to worldly activities and dualities. Krishna also considers it the proper approach in order to maintain the evolutory nature of social structure, because normally all people like to think self different from bramhan or because they don’t understand this.

    “The Vedas enjoins me alone in the form of Yadnya, me alone in the form of various deities in Devata Kanda nay whatever is super-imposed on me first and then negated in Dnyana kandas is me alone taking this stand on me as the cause of all causes and the highest reality, the Vedas posit (states) diversity as a mere illusion and then denying it, ultimately becomes quiet. This much is the import of all the Vedas. (BG 11.21.43)

    I tell you the division related to the knowledge.

    The spirit which is reflected in the field of the Maya is called you. Because of ignorance it is called the soul, the Jeeva.
    In our dream all the objects or persons which are seen, are projected by our single mind.
    Similarly this state of the soul id bound to a limited place because of ignorance. This is Jeeva”.
    Now there is that spirit which is the cause of the beginning of the world, all-seeing, allknowing,
    It is eternally glorious beyond our concept.
    Who is God who is the doer of all actions but in reality not doer at all and there is natural eternal freedom, not born of any other object, being self-existing?
    This is Shiva whose natural power is never curbed by anything and anybody, who is always fully identical with the highest bliss (Paramananda) and just as Jeeva is called you or Twam(वम्). This is called THA (तत्)
    When the ignorance of Jeeva is left out and the omniscience of Shiva is also negated what remains is to be held and embraced with our totality.
    For example a husband who was young and beautiful, went to other countries and after some years returned. At that time he looked older more strong and more powerful. His wife recognizes him as her husband negating both his younger form and also his new strong youth, but follows her understanding of the man, the spirit in his body.
    Similarly krishna and jiva are the two qualifications of one Brahma and these two are to be set aside and our mind should catch hold of the aloneness, as abstract existence which is Brahman.
    One has to unite the Jeeva and Shiva and remain eternally steadfast in my real spirit. This is mainly the subject of Dnyana Kanda.

     How one should worship krishna


    "aham bramha param dham bramhaham paramam padam,evam samikshya chatmanamatmanyadhaya nishkale " (11)


    Meaning : You should meditatelike this :'I am all pervading bramhan ,I am all pervading parabramhan only .In this way,you should do your self steady in ever-lasting,endless Atman. }


    Atma is bramhan / jiva merges in Krishna

    “kalo mayamaye jive jiva atmani mayyaje
    Atma kevala atmastho vikalpapayalakshanah “ ( BP 11.24.27)

    Meaning : The Time merges into Jeeva (Purusha), and the Jeeva merges into me, the Atman which has no birth. Atman is Atman itself, where there is not Vikalpa. (Duality).

    Explaination :

    When the Purusha is disturbed it becomes Time-Spirit and the creation, the existence and the dissolution of forms comes into being.
    When these three are finished, the function of Time is also finished and naturally it gets merged into Jeeva.
    Purusha who gives life to the lifeless and makes living beings from matter is called Jeeva.
    By the power of Prakruti, the pure Brahman, or Purusha becomes Jeeva.
    Prakruti is like a mirage; it appears but has no real existence.
    If a man falls into the apparent water of mirage, he will not find actual water there, and he would not be drowned. Similarly, Prakruti is unreal and Jeeva also is unreal!
    For example, if we look at the ocean, we feel that sky has fallen in it, but it will be foolish to think that the sky has fallen. Similarly, the form, the name, the quality, the Karma – are all illusions within Maya.
    even if Prakruti is supposed to exist, the Jeeva-hood is false. I shall tell you the facts.
    When we look into the mirror, we see ourselves as reflection, but we are aware that, we exist ourselves quite separate from the image.
    similarly, though I appear to be within the created universe, i.e. Prakruti while the process of creation etc is going on, you should remember that Krishna is different from Prakruti.
    The sky is seen as reflected in the water, but it does not get wet. Similarly, though atma works using Prakruti, he is not affected in any way.
    When we consider on these lines, the facts, we come to the conclusion or realization that Prakruti or Maya does not exist at all, the two names viz Jeeva and Shiva are false, because what is known as Jeeva is really the Paramatman.
    When the existence of Jeeva is negated, its counterpart Shiv is also finished, and what remains is Atman, one complete non-duality.
    When the Jeeva remembers that it is not Jeeva, but Atman, at that moment, Jeeva becomes Absolute Reality, the Paramatman, which is having no birth, no destruction, no division, and is endless.
    When in the Brahman, there is no awareness that itself is Brahman, where is the scope to say I or bramhan, and who will say it? at that stage, there is only the highest bliss!

    “ avam samahit……..jyotishi sanyutam “ (BP 11.14.45)

    Meaning: With his intellect thus established, he sees me in himself and himself actually merged in me (bramhan) like an individual light in the element of fire.

    Explaination : When the I consciousness of the seeker becomes one with my pure nature and when he is identified with bramhan, the very urge ‘I am’, becomes merged into oneness, the non-duality.

    Thus the awareness of separate I and you disappear and only the cosmic joy of Krishna remains everywhere.
    Just as the brilliance of two flames become one when they are put together so the Jeeva and the energy become one in non-duality.
    Jeeva is of the nature of knowledge, or “chit” in the state of non-duality.
    With the association of body and organs the Jeeva is wrongly conceived as a separate entity but when understanding of non-duality arises the Jeeva merges into cosmic Atman.

    Then there is only divine happiness and there is nobody to make this statement. Only joy of Atman remains as joy.
    What is that state? It is like sugar eating sugar, or water bathing in water or ghee entering into ghee to enjoy the fragrance.

    “ vishayan dhyayetchittam……mayyeva praliyate “ ( bP 11.14.27)

    Meaning: When the mind thinks and broods about objects, it becomes attached to them and when the mind remembers me, it merges into me (atma) .

    Explaination: When one thinks about the woman who is not present she is manifest before the eye of the mind, then it is natural that if one thinks about krishn who is constantly in one’s heart he will be equally manifest in one’s mind and there will be identity of both the devotee and krishna.

    Then the thinker, the mind, the worries and the state of meditation-all these factors disappears and the man becomes embodied knowledge which is also called unity with bramhan.

    Atma / jiva is Krishna/ bramhan .

    "ghate bhinne ghatakash.....jivo bramha sampadyate punah"(BP 12.5.5)

    { When a pot is broken, the portion of sky within the pot remains as the entire sky, just as before.But because of disappearance of portion of sky within pot one thinks that it has been connected to entire sky -but in reality, it was already connected to entire sky, In the same way, when the gross and subtle bodies die, it is just like jiva has become bramhan.(In reality jiva was already bramhan .His abramhata is just a false appearance.)

    “satvam chabhijayed ………jivam vihay mam “ ( BP 11.25.35)

    Meaning: The Jeeva having been free from Gunas, and having dropped the idea that it is Jeeva, attains Me and thus Jeeva freed from its separateness and liberated from Gunas unites with Me. ( bramhan)

    Explaination: Thus when the sense of separate existence of the soul is no more, the division between I am Body and I am Atman has no place. Then what remains? Only completeness, alone-ness which we call Brahman remains.

    So, krishna’s devotees become Brahman, which is their original state.

    “ jivo jivavinirmukto…..purno na bahirnantaratchharet “ ( BP 11.25.35)

    Meaning: Such a person is complete Brahman as I am and he does not move either within himself or outside.

    Explaination: Just as the inner side of sugar is not separate from its outer side, so Brahman is the same inside and out, and it is flawless and full of self-bliss.When the man becomes one with Brahman, there is no death for him and if he lives further according to destiny, he has no sense of I about his body. He does not look at outer objects. There is no place in his mind for any thought about object. One should be sincere in his worship of krishna, in order to be free from this ignorance and that is the reason why saints are loving the path of devotion with all their heart.
    There is nothing higher than my devotion and if that devotion is one-pointed, then all the four liberations are his servants.

    “avam krushnatmanatheshu…..nrushu sadhushu “ (BP 11.3.29)

    He should also learn to love those persons who have realized Shri Krishna as their Atman, and as the Lord of their life, to serve human beings especially those among them who are Mahatmas and sages.

    “ natma jajan…..vikalpitam sat “(BP 11.3.38)

    Meaning: This Atman was not born, will never die. It neither grows nor decays; because it is the witness of the different states of those objects, which are created and destroyed. It is omnipresent and eternally abiding pure consciousness; yet it appears as many (like Prana) under the limited
    power of the senses.

    “ avamamagnairkya….hi sah “ ( BP 11.3.55)

    Meaning: thus he who worships the God, as Atman, in the fire, in the Sun, in the water etc., and in the guest or visitor, or in his own heart, really becomes liberated without much delay.

    “ avam gurupasanayyekabhaktya……..sampadya chatmanamatha tyajastram (11.12.24)

    Meaning : Having subdued yourself and remaining alert all the time, cut at the root of your astral body with exclusive devotion to me, acquired by sitting at the feet of a Guru or by means of the sharp axe of wisdom and having thereby realized the self, cut off immediately the weapon with which you have removed the veil of ignorance in the form of your Jeevahood.

    “avam vimrushya….makhilasanshayadhim “ (BP 11.13.23)

    Meaning: You should think like this and arrive at the conclusion about the nature of the self that the three states of mind born out of three Gunas are falsely superimposed on Me as the Jeeva, by my delusive Power (Maya) and should cut at the root of egoism, the basis of all doubts, with the sword of Wisdom fortified by reasoning, the precepts of saints and the texts of Shruti
    (Upanishads), and join in the Unity with Me seated in your heart.

    “ guneshwavishate cheto…….madatmanah “ (BP 11.13.25)

    O my sons! The mind enters into the Gunas and the Gunas get imprinted on the mind, but the objects and the mind, both constitute the adjuncts on the Jeeva, which is I, and if Jeeva contemplates on its essential nature which is Brahman, He can easily disconnect the sense objects and the mind from Him.

    “ahametatprasankhyanam….. bhavo vidyate kwachit “ (BP 11.16.38)

    The Lord said - I am the knowledge of these principles and the counting of them. I am the Jeeva, I am the God, I am the wielder of Gunas and I am the Gunas themselves; and without me, who am the Atman of all, there is nothing separate existing.

    “ na hi tasya vikalpakhya……sampadyate maya “ ( BP 11.18.37)

    There is no longer any perception of difference in him; whatever there was is uprooted by realization that God is the self of all. What does appear in him at times while begging for food and taking meals etc even now as a recurrence of what has already been set aside will constitute my force of destiny till his death where after he will bet United with Me.


    What is jiva ?

    “dehendriya pranamayo…..adhavati kalatantrah “ (BP 11.28.16)


    The spirit hidden behind the body, the senses, the vital airs and the mind and identifying itself with them is called the Jeeva. The subtle body constituted of the Gunas and karmas is its material manifestation and is variously known as the Sootrama or the Mahat-Tattwa and controlled by God in the form of the Time-spirit) it revolves in Sansara. (World)

    “satwam rajastam……tayoho param yat “(BP 11.3.37)


    That which was one before creation became known as Pradhana (or Prakriti) of triple nature, consisting of Sattva, Rajas and Tamas. Then by its active power it became as the Sutratma and by its power of understanding it became known as Mahat Principle. Again as a condition investing the Jeeva or individual soul, it became known as Ahankara (the ego). The incomprehensible Brahman alone shines as deities presiding over the senses and their objects and the pain pleasure experience. The effect and the cause – are all Brahman only, because it is cause of both.

    Method of worship of Krishna

    “bhayam dvitiyabhinivishetah……gurudevatatma “ (BP 11.2.37)


    One who has turned away from the Lord loses the memory of his real self, due to His Maya, and falls prey to the mistaken belief that he is the body. He is then seized by the fear caused by duality, which is the identification with “other” thing than the self. Therefore, the wise should worship God by only the devotion believing that he himself as Atman, his Guru and the God are one!

    Who is bhagavata (devotee ) :

    “sarvabhuteshu yah…….bhagavatotamah “ (BP 11.2.45)


    Hari said – “ One who sees God in all the beings and all the beings in God as well as within himself is the best Bhagawata. (devotee of Bhagwan)”

    Who is ishwara ?

    “daridro yastvasantushtah……viparyah “ (BP 11.19.44)


    He who is not satisfied is the Poor, he who has no control over his urges is called the unfortunate miser, He who is not attached to Gunas is “God” and the attachment to Gunas is the downward journey of the soul.

    There is nothing other than atma (soul) :


    "na tatratma swayamjyotiryo...dhruvoanantopamastatah" (BP 12.5.8)

    { But just as because of disappearance of flame of lamp ,tatwa of agni is not destroyed,in the same way self luminous soul is not destroyed.Because that soul is beyond karya-karana,manifestation and unmanifestation,he is support of all things like sky ,soul is ever existing,omnipresent and ananta(endless).Really example of atma is atma only.}

    “atmyaiva tadidam vishwam srujyate……nirmula bhatiratmani “ (BP 11.28-6,7)


    The Lord, the Atman is Himself what is created as the Universe and the creator as the Atman only, one with it, by whom it is coming into existence. He protects it, it is protected by Him as Vishwatma, the All-pervading God, and He also sums up and withdraws it in Himself. Therefore there is nothing else but Atman, described to be Reality. All these things coming, existing or ending – the three states only falsely appear on the true base of Atman.


    Path of duality is the support of sorrow / differences are illusions .

    “yavadasyasvatantratvam tavadishwarato……shucharpitaha “ (BP 11.10.33)


    While the Jeeva is not dependent and free, there is fear of God, and those who follow the path of duality become greatly disturbed, given to sorrow.

    Differences or dualities are not real in any case. ( about bramhan and atma)

    “kim bhadram kimabhadram…..manasa dhyatameva cha “ (BP 11.28.4)


    What is good and what is bad in that duality which itself is not Real? What is spoken or thought or imagined by the mind is equally false.

    Muliplicity of jiva and inequality of gunas –leads to sorrow

    “yavatsyat gunavaishamyam…….tadaiva hi “ (BP 11.10.32)


    As long as there is dependency ,there is fear of god.Those who get entangled in ‘I’ ,those who considers multiplicity and dependency of soul and those who don’t follow detachment , they get only sorrow .


    Hari Narayana


    what is the adarsh vidhva?

    is there any perfect definition of it?

    are there any rule for widow in hinduism?


    It was a part of hindu vedic dharma. But due to effect of kaliyuga , Now no one follows it .


    Adarsha widow is the one who follows the rules prescribed for widows. There are many rules for widows . Some are , not to talk with males , limitations to go outside of home , taking simple meal , shaving of Head etc .


    Shaving of head was done only to maintain social purity . The reason is that no any man should attract towars of her . She should maintain topmost purity in her life .


    Harihi Govinda

  13. I dont want esoteric answers, but realistic ones. In his human form, why did he choose black skin color? Was there a purpose to it, like getting rid of color prejudices?


    Not at all , There was no any purpose behind it .


    Krishna is dark . The dark is the representation of Maya . In bhagavad gita , Shri Krishna says that he came in form with the help of Maya . He knowingly accepts maya but always remain aloof from it . Indeed through the view of parabramhan , there is not an existence of unreal maya .


    Krishna was Dark Because he had hidden his real omnipresent nature by a black lustre of Maya . For ignorants , he is always hidden because of Maya . This is the only truth of Dark Color .


    Hari Om Narayana .


    What is Shankara's view on Krishna? Has he accepted that Krishna has eternal forms and is the Lord of the Universe and controls the jivas? Or he taught that Krishna is just imagination in the mind which disappears after realization? Thank you for your answers in advance.



    Dear Hari , first know what is shri krishna . Shri krishna is the manifestation of absolute bramhan . He is the lord of the universe . In gita shri krishna himself says that he takes a human form and he is originally unmanifested .


    Yes , shri krishna is controller of jiva . But shri krishna himself acts as a jiva . In really what is protected is krishna only . ( PROOF - bp 1.2.33)


    Krishna's real nature is bramhan which is formless and nirguna . Bhagavan manifestes himself in form only for inferior devotees who are unable to concentrate on nirguna formless nature of bramhan .


    Besides  Bhagavata purana is advaitian vaishnawa's scripture . What adi shankara taught , the same thing shukadeva says to parikshita in that purana .


    Shukadeva says to parikshita :


    "aham bramha param dham bramhaham paramam padam,evam samikshya chatmanamatmanyadhaya nishkale " (11)


    { You should meditate like this :'I am all pervading bramhan ,I am that all pervading parabramhan  .In this way,you should fix your self steady in ever-lasting Atma. } [ BP 12.5.11 ]



    Hari krishna hari :105:

  15. Namaste ,

    welcome to the world of hindu sanatan dharma ... You should start to learn what is hinduism and what's it's ultimate goal .. The main scriptures of Hinduism are veda , bhagavad gita , upanishada , puranas. All other scriptures are based on veda. First i am gonna post a complete overview of hindu vedic dharma .

    Dhanyavad ( Thank you. )


    Namaste all,


    I'm new to these forums (duh), and I figured this was a good place to post an introduction thread. :) I'm a Westerner who wants to embrace Hinduism, and I've tried to do so in a few ways, such as going to the local Hindu temple in my area, and meditation and mantra chanting at home. But I'm not sure where to go from here...


    Does anyone have advice for a Westerner starting out on the path like I am? What should I do next?


    welcome to hindu vedic dharma. you are on the right path.


    before you go for meditation or bkakti devotion you should read some hindu scriptures like bhagavad gita.Before starting anything you should gain philosophical knowledge then only you will be fix in your devotion or mediation.


    so i suggest you read hindu holy scripture " bhagavad gita " told by lord krishna to arjuna


    I hope u will surely succed in hindu vedic dharma.


    Shri hari govinda! !!!

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